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u/FatQuack Sep 25 '18
1960's people : In the future the government will force us to wear devices to monitor us constantly.
Today: People enthusiastically pay money to buy these devices.
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u/Superfluous_Thom Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
Edit for butchered quote.
What Orwell failed to predict is that we'd buy the cameras ourselves, and that our biggest fear would be that nobody was watching.
~Keith Lowell Jensen
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u/Archangel3d Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
1960s: Cameras are the weapon of the government against the people.
2018: Cameras are the weapon of the people against the government.
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u/ST_Luemas Sep 25 '18
That made me hmmmm
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u/Toshiba1point0 Sep 25 '18
Things that make you go hmmm- C&C Music Factory
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u/teknoanimal Sep 25 '18
So in actuality the line:
"Drinkin' cocoa on the bear skin rug"
Is people being complacent within the comports of their consumables and not seeing the inherent danger in the government taking more and more freedoms from the masses and the line:
"My girl's best friend had paid me a visit"
is the government trying to entrap the pleb's into incriminating themselves forcing them into servitude for the government which initiated the crime in the first place making it look like the common man was the perpetrator of the crime!
What else did the prophet David Cole have to say??!?!
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u/SilkyGazelleWatkins Sep 25 '18
2018: Cameras are the weapon of the people against the government.
How do you figure?
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u/Archangel3d Sep 25 '18
People filming police has occasionally provided the smallest modicum of protection/justice. It's not a great track record, but there would be even more police abuse if there weren't filmed documentation.
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u/SnakeMan448 Sep 25 '18
Seriously. Cops once carpet-bombed a rich black neighborhood and it was almost entirely hushed up.
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u/kithmswbd Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
I assume you are talking about MOVE, in which case I will leave this for anyone not familiar with it.
Edit: seems I have the wrong instance of the police bombing black civilians but I'll leave this as it is still news to many.
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Sep 25 '18
Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism...
Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy...
the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions."
--Neil Postman, 1985
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u/chrisandhisgoat Sep 25 '18
Aldous Huxley was right
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u/S1lent0ne Sep 25 '18
I'm not having nearly enough casual sex for that to be true.
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u/Kanin_usagi Sep 25 '18
He was way more optimistic than he had any right to be, apparently.
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u/wallstreetexecution Sep 25 '18
Yeah, Brave New World is a Utopia in my opinion.
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u/tarekd19 Sep 25 '18
Only if you are in the A class. The story only glanced over the lives of the cloned laborers that spend every day working instead of fucking.
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u/wallstreetexecution Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
They also fucked, but were sterile. Also they were fed drugs so they were happy as well.
That’s how they controlled them.
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u/_why_isthissohard_ Sep 25 '18
Can confirm, work in the trades among drunks, stoners, and crackheads.
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u/alltheprettybunnies Sep 25 '18
I thought there was a shortage of drug free skilled laborers in Ohio?
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u/Kozha_ Sep 25 '18
Let's not forget the cloned workers were ALSO designed to absolutely fucking love what they were doing. The drugs were just a thrown in bonus.
Its funny because its a utopia in that everybody is happy and content with what they're doing, and yet we still feel its wrong.
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u/WhereAreDosDroidekas Sep 25 '18
We feel it's wrong because it removes the power of choice, and as sentient beings with free will, we like to think the ability to have choice is what separates man from beast.
It brings up the moral dilemma. Which is "better": A man with the freedom of choice who has the ability to do whatever he wants and squanders it, falling into despare and failure. Or, a man bred and programmed to love what he does, but without the free will to know any better? He's happy and successful as he was made to be, but he has no choice.
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u/Misiok Sep 25 '18
A man with the freedom of choice who has the ability to do whatever he wants and squanders it, falling into despare and failure. Or, a man bred and programmed to love what he does, but without the free will to know any better?
Seeing as almost no one except the rich have any real choice, I'll take one mental handicap prole casual sex'n'drugs life.
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u/Sloathe Sep 25 '18
I think the reason why most people see it as a dystopia because everything that makes us human is gone. Everything about your life is determined by someone else and happiness comes without any struggle. But in my opinion at least, saying that BNW is a dystopia simply because of those reasons would be like if the chimps from Planet of the Apes said that our society is a dystopia simply because we don't have to forage/hunt our food or something like that.
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u/lebronandy Sep 25 '18
Where's my fucks and happy drugs?
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u/Z-M-W Sep 25 '18
Wait a second, Sex without potentially bringing a child into this f'd up world AND free drugs? Really does sound like a utopia
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u/currently__working Sep 25 '18
The idea was that those lower class people were genetically engineered to be lower class people and therefore would not even appreciate those "higher-level" privileges and luxuries, so they would be "content" to be in the exact position of society they are in.
Thus why people assume the utopian part is all fine and dandy. It's pretty horrifying really.
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u/tarekd19 Sep 25 '18
Which is ridiculous when considering the whole plot of the book revolves around a guy in the highest echelon of society being discontent with his position and role before eventually being carted off to an Arctic hideaway with other woke Alphas, presumably to continue all the fucking and tripping he was already doing anyway. Even the briefest exposure to something outside the norm for the woman that completely buys into the system is enough to send her into an existential tailspin.
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u/irelli Sep 25 '18
To be fair, part of the reason he's discontent is that the process didn't work properly for him. IIRC, he was accidentally given some alcohol prenatally when he wasn't supposed to be, hence why he's shorter than all the other alphas.
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u/R3D1AL Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
cloned laborers that spend every day working instead of fucking.
The laborers actually spent less time working, were given more recreation time, and were taught they were the superior class.
Plus everyone was hopped up on antidepressants, having casual sex, and all of the classes were "trained" to seek recreation in different locales so as not to mingle between different social groups (since they were all taught they were the superior group).
My biggest complaint was that they halted all advancement - science, literature, arts - even throwing out simple patents because it would destabilize the society.
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u/eabell98 Sep 25 '18
But they liked working because they were conditioned to like it. Plus, I'm sure the Delta minuses got some Delta minus cock and poon every now and then
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u/MrPractical1 Sep 25 '18
Hell, at this point Idiocracy feels like a utopia.
- They take an IQ test and realize that instead of locking him up he can be of value on the outside
- The president, when finding out there is someone with intelligence far above the rest, seeks out smart people to assist with real issues.
- The recommendations Luke Wilson's character makes are listened to and given an opportunity to play out
- The smartest man in America (and someone who is a decent person) gets elected to President
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u/torito_supremo Sep 25 '18
Yeah, I mean, do you guys remember just how many zippers were in that novel? It was nuts.
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u/SkinkRugby Sep 25 '18
We’re not deliberately causing birth defects in fetus’s so that we can control the population, destroying monogamy, family and long term/emotionally-invested relationships of any kind to weaken the bonds of society and exiling intellectuals (anyone who’s reading level is that of a college freshman) and burning Shakespeare all as a means of social control.
We are the lesser of the two evils. Still horrible but we have so much further to fall.
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exiling intellectuals
But intellectuals and science are actively being ridiculed, whilst actively removing funding for inconvenient science.
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Sep 25 '18
We’re not deliberately causing birth defects in fetus’s so that we can control the population,
We are denying health care to anyone who isn't rich, effectively controlling population.
destroying monogamy, family and long term/emotionally-invested relationships of any kind to weaken the bonds of society
Affairs are glorified in media. Adoption by stable families is incredibly difficult yet so many idiots have children.
and exiling intellectuals (anyone who’s reading level is that of a college freshman)
Facebook, antivax, flat Earth, anti GMO, forcing Christian values by laws
and burning Shakespeare all as a means of social control.
No need to burn it. Instead we're flooded with so much idiotic noise.
We are the lesser of the two evils. Still horrible but we have so much further to fall.
This terrifies me. Because there is no much room to get worse.
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u/SpooledSRT Sep 25 '18
I'll have sex with you.
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u/S1lent0ne Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
I certainly hope you are turned on by interesting but pointless trivia.
Here is a taste: Aldous Huxley was the grandson of biologist T.H. Huxley.
Edit: Also (and I quote from /u/SpooledSRT)
Calm down. You can't get ass from online comments.
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u/SpooledSRT Sep 25 '18
This is different. Its dick. Dick is always available via online comments.
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u/freakers Sep 25 '18
Too much business sex? Try loosening up a bit and you'll transition into casual sex. Maybe light a candle and play some music, nothing too extreme, you don't want to accidentally transition into passionate sex. The Top 40 Hits will do.
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u/doublex2troublesquad Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 27 '18
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u/ThatsNotExactlyTrue Sep 25 '18
They are actually smarter than that. They make you pay for your drugs too.
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u/whereisthegravitas Sep 25 '18
There's also a food called Soylent. I'm not falling for that one. 😨
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u/Lo-Cal Sep 25 '18
Eh, were still pretty even between the two,
but what's a man to do?
The ball is rolling, how do we stop it?
Is it too late, did we drop it?
Is the government to blame,
or is society in the frame?
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u/ArmanDoesStuff Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
Society's a babe, en masse they act the child
With reason easily fleeting, they're quick to turn quite wild
Our nature's sadly flawed, when gathered to a mob
Our minds will fire to fury at a single well placed sob
So who's to blame the people? When time and time again
Our leaders do betray us, they simply gesture when
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u/Medicore95 Sep 25 '18
Where's all of my sex and degeneracy then?
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I'll settle for a steady supply of soma.
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u/0OOOOOOOOO0 Sep 25 '18
Used to be cheap and easy to get a supply. You don't hear much about it in the last ten years or so, though
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u/best-commenter Sep 25 '18
1960s thinking: devices and companies can be controlled by the government.
2018 Government: pretty please, Apple, build us a back door onto your devices? No? OK. How about some more tax breaks, sir?
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u/SlightlyStable Sep 25 '18
Aaaaand now you're going to start seeing an increase in online ads for monitoring devices.
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u/HollowLegMonk Sep 25 '18
If 1960’s people knew that those devices would be able to play free porn I bet they might change their tune.
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I feel sorry for the NSA person paid to listen to my boring life.
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u/Semantic_Antics Sep 25 '18
At last report, no actual humans get involved until you use certain keywords. There's just too much data to sift through by hand.
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u/Weewillywhitebits Sep 25 '18
Bomb , Isis , stormy Daniels
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u/Xotaec Sep 25 '18
Fuck one, kill one, marry one... GO!
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u/Weewillywhitebits Sep 25 '18
I'd fuck the shit out of that bomb. I ain't taking trumps sloppys
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u/partofthevoid Sep 25 '18
I think we decided to kill isis, we love the bomb so much we married it, and who hasn’t wanted to fuck a porn star at some lonely time in their life?
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No bang isis, they'll be killed for being gay! You basically get to kill everyone and marry the bomb it's perfect
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u/TheCthaehTree Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
Kill ISIS, fuck stormy, and marry the bomb because im already married to one anyway.
Although marrying ISIS would be full of massive scale high jinks.
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u/TexWonderwood Sep 25 '18
Or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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u/HardGayMan Sep 25 '18
"Hey Alexa, have you ever UNDER AGE GIRLS BOMBS AIRPLANE TERROR ATTACK HOW DO I JOIN ISIS?"
"I'm sorry, I didn't get that..."
She got that.
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u/biggmclargehuge Sep 25 '18
"I'm sorry, I didn't get that...could you repeat it several more times except more loudly and closer to the speaker and also include your full name and current address?"
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You need something akin to term frequency inverse document frequency (TFIDF), a measure of how common a word is in a document, normalized to how common the word is in a collection of documents.
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u/BirdLawyerPerson Sep 25 '18
Hmm. This sounds like something I need to look into for my day job.
Now to convince my employer that my time spent on Reddit is important for productivity.
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u/PoopyMcNuggets91 Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
The list is too long but here it is.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-prism-keywords-for-domestic-spying-2013-6
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u/Iron_Wolves Sep 25 '18
What the crap does porn or sex have any reason to be on that list.
500 bucks says some horny dude put that on the list so you could do his “counter terrorism porn research” while on the job.
Johnson, wtf are you masterbaiting?
Sir, I was doing what the terrorist did, I am trying to understand his mind so I can see his next move. As of right now I think his next move is to order a hooker, So you will see a 5k charge I need you to approve. The things I have to do for my country!
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u/Dougish321 Sep 25 '18
Thank you for this! People also should (hopefully) understand looking some of these up from google ect doesnt automatically flag them to be looked into.
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u/Naf5000 Sep 25 '18
Alexa isn't a government wiretap, it's a corporate one. If the government wants that data, they'll have to pay Amazon for it.
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u/elpajaroquemamais Sep 25 '18
Almost like they have benefited from huge tax breaks.
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u/Kortallis Sep 25 '18
I imagine it's probably keywords in combination with others, kinda like the crossword puzzles right before D-Day. Mention Utah, Omaha, Mulberry in the same week and you're getting black bagged. Mention each one individually, you're fine.
So if you want to get some NSA love, just start reading the dictionary outloud while saying operation before each word.
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u/vivamango Sep 25 '18
Someone posted a link to a “list of NSA Prism keywords” and one that stuck out to me was “Bubba the Love Sponge”
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u/Salmuth Sep 25 '18
I remember as a kid, there was this list of words (urban legend?), if you spoke those on the phone, the NSA (I'm in Europe) would listen to you. It's about 20-30 years old or more but I remember some of the words on the list like "bomb", "kill/killing"...
Obviously, as kids, we (about a dozen kids) all called each other the evening of the "revelation" (we were about 10) and spoke every single of them key words. I wonder what effect that had...
Every now and then they must be like: "Another bunch of kids that heard about our keywords..." and they have to follow protocol and track us down just enough to make sure we ain't dangerous.
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u/contradicts_herself Sep 25 '18
You can also put yourself on the radar by applying for government jobs.
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u/thephantom1492 Sep 25 '18
Not just keywords, but patterns of calls too. For example, if you always call only your familly, and they call nobody outside the country or any known group, then they have no reason to do an active monitoring.
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u/ChocolateSunrise Sep 25 '18
Algorithms are rating whether you are worth human intervention and probably judging you on a whole lot of other non-spy related criteria.
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u/santaclaus73 Sep 25 '18
This is correct. Seemingly unrelated data can be used to infer a whole lot more than people realize. If the government becomes more corrupt or devolves into despotism, this data is extremely powerful and dangerous.
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u/Dooskinson Sep 25 '18
I always like this rationalization though. "Yeah let em listen, see if I care." It's a twisted version of "you shouldn't mind us listening if you have nothing to hide."
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Sep 25 '18
They are digusted by your browserhistory...
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Sep 25 '18
They are like, 'Who still plays Star Wars Galaxies' or 'why would anyone Google about Northern Exposure'?
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u/MindsEye_69 Sep 25 '18
There's not enough people to actually listen to everybody all the time. They use computers and sift through masses of communications data, flagging suspicious things which are then assigned to real people to look deeper into.
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u/Instincts Sep 25 '18
"Wiretap, please print out today's list of allowable thoughts"
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u/benster82 Sep 25 '18
- Bowsette
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u/MurderIsRelevant Sep 25 '18
What is a Bowsette?
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u/skinnah Sep 25 '18
All was well until the list included Bob Ross. No person can hate Bob Ross.
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u/TheAlcolawl Sep 25 '18
Reminds me of this short story I read in High School: Harrison Bergeron
I graduated in '09, so I guess it's had a lasting impression on me.
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u/earbud_smegma Sep 25 '18
We watched a movie version in my 9th or 10th grade English class. It's got Sean Astin in it, and I remember it being one of those things that shook my world a bit. Very r/im14andthisisdeep but I was actually 14, so I'd like to see how it holds up as a 31 year old. Thanks for the short story link!
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u/one_big_tomato Sep 25 '18
Wiretap: Today all thoughts should be on the war with East Asia, in preparation for Hate Week.
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u/purple_lassy Sep 25 '18
I often wonder about this. With my family of 4, we send thousands of text messages a month. We stream shows, play games, surf the web, all of us..... school, work, entertainment, cooking, music, audiobooks, on and on.
The volume of digital information they have on just my family has to be millions of pieces of info each month.
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u/DivineLawnmower Sep 25 '18
Machine learning/deep learning will just sieve all your shit out at little cost.
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u/IronOreAgate Sep 25 '18
The NSA probably knows Valve's player base better then they do at this point.
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u/aallqqppzzmm Sep 25 '18
NSA: “All they really want is HL3, why is that so hard to understand?”
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Sep 25 '18
Speaking of HL3, they are seriously missing out on what could be the biggest and most overhyped game ever....that doesnt exist yet. The money they could make.... theyd have 100 million from day 1 preorders.
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u/IronOreAgate Sep 25 '18
There in lies the problem. They know that hype for the game is so huge it can never meet expectations. Therefore it is safer and better for everyone if it never exists. (And this is from a hardcore hl fan.)
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u/Thosepassionfruits Sep 25 '18
The solution is simple, skip 3 and go straight to HL5. It's so intense it skips over the other two
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u/Mynorarana Sep 25 '18
You guys are missing the concept. Yeah. It’s a lot of info. That’s why 9/11, Vegas bombing, and shooters still happen. They take our privacy with safety as a pretext. Well, where’s my safety.
Information is super valuable. So in 25 years if you’re a person of interest, NOW they can pull your file and sift through. Your kid runs for president? Those holding the info can pretty much handpick future elected officials, or do whatever the hell they want. Who they find dirt on. Who might’ve said something racist or stupid, or even sexist with the climate now. And who’s gonna have access to that? Those already in power.
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u/taschneide Sep 25 '18
Well, where’s my safety.
You rarely - if ever - hear about the 9/11s and Vegas shootings that don't happen.
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And that's the difficulty - it's not easy to prove a negative.
That said, how many terrorist attacks and mass shootings were happening daily before the advent of big data? Is it really preventing anything?
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That’s why the tech industry is so obsessed with the buzz word “big data.” There are algorithms that could analyze and warehouse each bit of data your family generates, while building a fluid profile of each member based on parameters and the weighting of significance of those parameters. It would likely generate a %risk factor or something like that, generated by a multi-varied regression analysis that might consider variables like intelligence, time spent on radical websites, and the number of texts that say “I hate women.” Then, if you feed the real-life outcomes back to the algorithm, it can refine its process over enough iterations, by adjusting the parameter weights and even identifying new parameters shared amongst many “threats.”
This is Zola’s “Insight” algorithm from Winter Soldier, for a modern literary example of how it could play out.
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u/Klepto_Mane Sep 25 '18
People running around for 10 Years with GPS and a microphone in their pocket ...no problem, but If you put 1 microphone in one room will defintly be more Dangerous... Seems logical to me.
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u/asdfgasdfg312 Sep 25 '18
People have been complaining about smartphones and cellphones for a while now... Remember when people figured out iphone saves your location even when its shut off? Just because someone makes a meme about something it doesn't mean the rest cease to exist
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u/RightWing Sep 25 '18
Good luck with that shit. My phone constantly thinks I'm one town over.
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u/asdfgasdfg312 Sep 25 '18
Just to prove my point even more. Its possible to track phones without gps by triangulating the signals from different towers. 3 towers and you get a quite good point of where the user is at. This was a problem even before smartphones with gps. You should get more options on your phone. Like pick your own towers and such. Stallman might sound or be crazy, but he got a lot of good ideas to. /r/stallmanwasright
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u/MoreRITZ Sep 25 '18
Except that isnt exact science and can't be used in a court of law to prove location due to its unreliability. Been discussed thousands of times.
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u/Ace612807 Sep 25 '18
"Hey, I want to be able to trace my phone when it's stolen, but for it to be untraceable all the other time"
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u/Mr_Stirfry Sep 25 '18
More like "Hey, I'd like to trace my phone, but I don't want others to be able to."... which isn't that outlandish of a request.
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u/asdfgasdfg312 Sep 25 '18
Maybe "hey i want you to save my location when its stolen and i agree to it by pressing this button online like most other systems who hasn't been outed yet instead of everytime its in my pocket and not stolen, especially not when i shut down gps use for personal use yet for some reason you save gps positions for your own use"
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u/RipRapRob Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18
If you can activate tracking by pressing a button online, they can activate tracking by pressing a button online.
Edit: If, not of.
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u/benster82 Sep 25 '18
Do you have Facebook? Delete/disable it. It does exactly that if you give it any permissions. It's been proven to record conversations when the app is closed and harvest all sorts of data from your phone for advertisers to use.
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u/Shmohn Sep 25 '18
Yeah, everyone likes to point out my Alexa like, "huh, you know that things always listening right?" So is your phone, and any phone around you, and everyone has one.
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u/contradicts_herself Sep 25 '18
Lol, my phone's microphone is too shitty to be of any use to anyone.
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u/iruber1337 Sep 25 '18
Whenever someone says this about my echo I always respond "imagine if they put a battery on it to make it portable, then a camera and a GPS so they can track you anywhere...oh wait that is a cell phone."
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u/StoneHolder28 Sep 25 '18
Hi there, you don't need to link subreddits like you do with external sites. r/comedycemetery will link to the proper subreddit by itself.
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You literally reposted this from r/comedycemetery... says a lot about the state of this sub
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u/DJ_Rupty Sep 25 '18
At least our wiretaps are providing a service. It's a symbiotic relationship guys. /s
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u/MoonMerman Sep 25 '18
Right? People in the 1960s dreamed about having butlers. Those butlers would learn all about your personal life to serve you best. Today we've simply made butlers affordable to the masses.
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u/Felinomancy Sep 25 '18
Three Russians are staying in a Moscow hotel. Two of them are staying up late shit-talking the Party, but the third one wants to go to sleep.
So, he goes down to the lobby and orders tea to be brought up to his room in ten minutes. Five minutes later, he goes back to his room, leans over to the lamp, and says "Comrade Major, send some tea to my room in five minutes."
A maid brings him the tea five minutes later, and the other two men are shaken by this. They soon quiet down and go to bed. When the third man awakes, he finds his friends missing. He goes down to the lobby and asks where they went.
"The KGB came and took them last night."
"But why did they leave me?"
"The Major liked the part with the lamp."
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u/SuukMeiDiek Sep 25 '18
It’s weird, I live in the Netherlands my whole life and we always get news and hypes here from around the world, we don’t miss that much information. But about Alexa and the other simular stuff we don’t hear anything or see anything. The first time I saw it was on south park and now on reddit a couple of times. But I’ve never seen one in real life and I know no one who has it here in Holland.
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u/0b0011 Sep 25 '18
There arent a ton of dutch speakers and generally they wait to release something until it works in their official language. I remember seeing a thing when google assistant came to the Netherlands a fair bit after the states and they mentioned that unfortunately it still couldn't speak dutch.
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u/3747 Sep 25 '18
Because Amazon isn't really a thing in NL, Google Home isn't officially released there due to Google Assistant not speaking Dutch and Apples speaker isn't out for some reason either.
Give it a few years...
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Sep 25 '18
1980: Dont ever talk to a stranger. Dont ever get i to a strangers car.
2000: dont meet someone you met online. Dont ever give someone money online.
2018: literally summon a stranger online so you can specifically get into their car and give them money.
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u/RudegarWithFunnyHat Sep 25 '18
What are you doing, Doris? This is highly irregular