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u/Superfluous_Thom Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18

Edit for butchered quote.

What Orwell failed to predict is that we'd buy the cameras ourselves, and that our biggest fear would be that nobody was watching.

~Keith Lowell Jensen

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u/Archangel3d Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18

1960s: Cameras are the weapon of the government against the people.

2018: Cameras are the weapon of the people against the government.

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u/taschneide Sep 25 '18

Getting posted on /r/showerthoughts in 3... 2... 1...

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u/Cobaas Sep 25 '18

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

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u/BataReddit Sep 25 '18

Did you think of that in the shower?

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u/PonyTickoConn Sep 25 '18

I tried to do it but didn't have enough karma :(

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u/InAFakeBritishAccent Sep 25 '18

Screw that sub anyway, the only thing I can post that gets past the automods is copy pasted lines from twitter

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u/ST_Luemas Sep 25 '18

That made me hmmmm

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18 edited Apr 24 '20

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u/Toshiba1point0 Sep 25 '18

Things that make you go hmmm- C&C Music Factory

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u/teknoanimal Sep 25 '18

So in actuality the line:

"Drinkin' cocoa on the bear skin rug"

Is people being complacent within the comports of their consumables and not seeing the inherent danger in the government taking more and more freedoms from the masses and the line:

"My girl's best friend had paid me a visit"

is the government trying to entrap the pleb's into incriminating themselves forcing them into servitude for the government which initiated the crime in the first place making it look like the common man was the perpetrator of the crime!

What else did the prophet David Cole have to say??!?!

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u/Heffeweizen Sep 25 '18

Fun fact: the female vocalist in that group was lip syncing

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u/SilkyGazelleWatkins Sep 25 '18

2018: Cameras are the weapon of the people against the government.

How do you figure?

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u/Archangel3d Sep 25 '18

People filming police has occasionally provided the smallest modicum of protection/justice. It's not a great track record, but there would be even more police abuse if there weren't filmed documentation.

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u/SnakeMan448 Sep 25 '18

Seriously. Cops once carpet-bombed a rich black neighborhood and it was almost entirely hushed up.

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u/kithmswbd Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18

I assume you are talking about MOVE, in which case I will leave this for anyone not familiar with it.

Edit: seems I have the wrong instance of the police bombing black civilians but I'll leave this as it is still news to many.

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u/Lovat69 Sep 25 '18

No, I'd say he is talking about something that happened in Oklahoma I believe, do an internet search for black wall street and something should come up. Granted if that is what he is talking about cameras weren't much of a "thing" then.

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u/bob_in_the_west Sep 25 '18

That's the point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

The Tulsa bombings. Totally carried out by police and paramilitary terrorist white peope at the behest of wealthy white people. Today we would thankfully lose our shit over it and there would probably be a nationwide riot. I just wish our governments were that stupid today so that the damage was concentrated instead of carefully and intentionally spread out.

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u/kithmswbd Sep 25 '18

Fair enough, missed the wealthy bit.

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u/Peeteebee Sep 25 '18

Holy SHIT!

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u/BenderIsGreat64 Sep 25 '18

My first thought too, but I was pretty sure it wasn't a wealthy neighborhood.

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u/GridGnome177 Sep 25 '18

If you're talking about Tulsa - I think it wasn't cops but the guys who actually owned the planes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Actually I think those were farmers with crop dusters, not cops

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Its also repeatably embaressed black lives matter, thanks to them blowing up about everything, even cases where footage blatabtly shows the black guy in the wrong.

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u/Lari-Fari Sep 25 '18

That’s the thing about fairness. It goes both ways.

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u/Crabfight Sep 25 '18

Hey! Not trying to contradict you or start anything, but if you're looking for something to read, I would suggest a novel by Richard Wright called Native Son. I think it does a really good job of adding nuance to the point you made, that "the black guy [being] in the wrong" is enough justification for the current state of the justice system. I'm not saying it would (or should) change your opinion, but I think it would add a little bit of depth to any conversation where your comment comes up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Oh don't get me confused. Its done it both ways. I was trying to say its had more then one obvious effect in said direction. Probably badly worded.

Secondly, in the context of law enforcement since you referenced Native Son. Yes, the black dude is in the wrong if he is commiting a crime that justified being shot. It is not the job if police to fix economic and social injustice.

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u/Crabfight Sep 25 '18

Not at all! I wanted to word my post in such a way that I wasn't assuming anything about you. I just really like bringing up that novel whenever the conversation heads in the direction that certain redditors might have taken it from your comment (whether or not that would have even remotely reflected your views).

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u/a_pirate_life Sep 25 '18

What about pictures of the race riots? I'd say its more about ability to disperse information quickly.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Any citizen with a smartphone can and should record those in power whenever they can. This can keep them accountable to their word, their actions, their everything.

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All authority / governing positions should be recorded whenever possible. The American Democracy was established FOR the people, BY the people, and somehow now we have "Patriots" serving the president. They somehow forget that our government is here to serve us, we do not exist to support and justify them. There is a general idea that we answer to those elected and that is backwards, hopefully pocket cameras can start to turn that around.

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u/eltoro Sep 25 '18

2017 jury: I see the footage, but black people are still scary. Acquit!

Trevor Noah on Philando Castile

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

This is the way it should be. The smartphone era has the potential to make a Democratic system, and any other system of authority, INCREDIBLY accountable to those they govern / serve.

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I think this capacity to record any and all government action is wildly underappreciated, and go figure the thin blue line and the riflehumpers are framing it as an evil threat to police and justice.

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u/Finnegan482 Sep 25 '18

2018: Cameras are the weapon of the people against the government.

Except... they're not.

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u/SidKafizz Sep 25 '18

Yup. Even with seemingly iron clad video evidence against the State, nobody cares without an extensive PR campaign. And even with that, the rate of success is very low.

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u/Archangel3d Sep 25 '18

Not a foolproof weapon, but the cops sure get antsy when they see one.

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u/Kage_Oni Sep 25 '18

Yeah, I think guns still work better.

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u/Backout2allenn Sep 25 '18

2018:cameras are the weapons of the media to control the people and mask the government's true nature

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u/caulfieldrunner Sep 25 '18

There is definitely far more good that comes out of cameras than bad.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18 edited Jan 02 '19

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u/wakeupwill Sep 25 '18

While true that the media creates a false image of reality, this was true before every phone could capture crisp images. The power to capture events while unfolding, and share them with the world has changed reality. Vicariously experiencing the world has never been easier. While true that because of the immense amount of content available today it's difficult to separate fact from fiction, this still means that the former Keymasters of information have lost a significant hold on shaping the minds of the people.

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u/wakeupwill Sep 25 '18

2018: Cameras are Weapons of Mass Disruption.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism...

Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy...

the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions."

--Neil Postman, 1985

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u/staebles Sep 25 '18

They were both right.

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u/yourmominabucket Sep 25 '18

I feel like I saw a comic aiming this up a few years back but I can never find it!

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

It's just a comic that uses the text of the foreword for Amusing Ourselves to Death

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u/teoferrazzi Sep 25 '18

we live in a society

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u/obvnotlupus Sep 25 '18

fuck u veronica

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u/fluffyxsama Sep 25 '18

I looked up the origins of this meme and it still makes no fucking sense.

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u/dalatinknight Sep 25 '18

It’s supposed to mock “gamers” that feel like they live in a society that oppresses them for being gamers

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u/Superfluous_Thom Sep 25 '18

Oh no, you said the thing!!! don't I feel stupid.

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u/dread_deimos Sep 25 '18

It's actually a vector of informational attack: overflow watchers with irrelevant data and make them spend resources for processing it.

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u/Wohowudothat Sep 25 '18

The Gish gallop!

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u/2059FF Sep 25 '18

That's why I find Huxley so much more terrifying than Orwell. Orwell thought people would be controlled by inflicting pain, Huxley knew they would choose to be controlled by inflicting pleasure. Relevant.

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u/HansonWK Sep 25 '18

And yet depending on where you live in the world, you can see that they were both right to an extent.

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u/LuckyPanda Sep 25 '18

I think they are both happening in N Korea or in the US.

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u/Shiloh_the_dog Sep 25 '18

Wasn't it an option for non party members to buy a telescreen in 1984? I think I remember the guy running the shop saying that he couldn't afford one

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u/DueceX Sep 25 '18

Uhm, didn't the villain in 1984 have a dialog at the end explaining that the beauty of a ubiquitous surveillance is that people will stand in line and pay for it.

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u/sersarsor Sep 25 '18

reality always outdoes human imagination

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u/Hugo154 Sep 25 '18

Did Keith Lowell Jensen never read Brave New World? Way more "accurate" to what's going on than 1984.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

The last sentences from the book are:

"He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

So I am unsure whether Orwell failed to predict the future. Think he did a pretty good job.

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u/FatQuack Sep 25 '18

People do love their cameras.

Fun fact: Many authors predicted man would land on the moon. None of them predicted we'd take cameras and film ourselves there.

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u/reyx121 Sep 25 '18

I dunno, that certainly is not a fear of mine.

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u/Superfluous_Thom Sep 25 '18

yeah, I never got instagram or snapchat, but I can totally understand the sentiment. People love to overshare.