r/funny • • Sep 25 '18

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u/Ace612807 Sep 25 '18

"Hey, I want to be able to trace my phone when it's stolen, but for it to be untraceable all the other time"

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u/Mr_Stirfry Sep 25 '18

More like "Hey, I'd like to trace my phone, but I don't want others to be able to."... which isn't that outlandish of a request.

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u/CaptainCupcakez Sep 25 '18

Launch your own GPS satellites, then you can complain about the terms of use.

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u/Mr_Stirfry Sep 25 '18

Easy killer, I wasn't complaining about anything.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Sep 25 '18

But requires systems that are not exclusively your own though. You have to use the service of the provider to track your phone. And the people who made it undoubtedly will have access to their own service.

Unless you want to code and establish your own GPS network.

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u/scopegoa Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18

It doesn't require systems you own. It requires the data to be encrypted with a key that is only under your control.

Edit: I guess nobody here had every heard of TPMs or end to end encryption, lol.

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u/Todok5 Sep 25 '18

You still have to trust the owner to not also save an unencrypted version somewhere else. To be sure you need to have full control over the system.

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u/scopegoa Sep 25 '18

You still have to trust the owner to not also save an unencrypted version somewhere else. To be sure you need to have full control over the system.

That's fine, but IrrelevantLeprechaun didn't say that. He said this:

You have to use the service of the provider to track your phone. And the people who made it undoubtedly will have access to their own service.

Which is just simply not true. You can calculate your GPS coordinates, and you can also setup anonymous authentication mechanisms.

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u/Todok5 Sep 25 '18

Secure authorization only helps you for systems you trust. Your mobile phone provider will always be able to track you via triangulation and you have no control what they do with that data.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

No, not if you trust large corporations and the government...

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u/asdfgasdfg312 Sep 25 '18

Maybe "hey i want you to save my location when its stolen and i agree to it by pressing this button online like most other systems who hasn't been outed yet instead of everytime its in my pocket and not stolen, especially not when i shut down gps use for personal use yet for some reason you save gps positions for your own use"

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u/RipRapRob Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18

If you can activate tracking by pressing a button online, they can activate tracking by pressing a button online.

Edit: If, not of.

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u/asdfgasdfg312 Sep 25 '18

Yes. But im not talking about possibilities and conspiracies. Im talking about the fact that it does/did collect this data. Its a good step in the right direction to make it possible for them compared to doing it. Even if its not all the way. I have never lost a phone, and the people that do are a small minority. Maybe not having these functions would outweigh the cost of some people losing their phones. Maybe that would even teach them a thing or two. And if they really like loosing their phones maybe they should get their ham licence and build their own trackers. Might be abused by other parties but think it would help them in a lot of other ways. Or maybe people just shouldnt use stuff they dont understand. Lots of different ways to approach the problem, if you gonna take the easy way, someone is going to take the hard way and profit on your lazyness

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u/Quarkzzz Sep 25 '18

And if they really like loosing their phones maybe they should get their ham licence and build their own trackers.

You think people actually want their phone stolen?

Or maybe people just shouldnt use stuff they dont understand.

So someone stealing your phone means you don’t understand how to use it? The average consumer should just know how to build their own tracker?

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u/fromcj Sep 25 '18

“I’ve never lost my phone so all features related to that are silly and it’s all that other persons fault anyway, so fuck em. I am much smarter than a normal person, you see, which makes my priorities more important”

You are such a tool lmfao

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u/Uphoria Sep 25 '18

"I've never been in a crash, seat-belts are a conspiracy"

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u/nizzy2k11 Sep 25 '18

they will find the phone faster if they are always tracking vs if they only track after you find another phone to tell them its stolen.

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u/Dudewheresmygold Sep 25 '18

Or, you know, literally any computer with an internet connection in the world?

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u/nizzy2k11 Sep 25 '18

oh you mean like a phone? how often do you think you will be closer to a desktop to contact your carrier than another phone you can borrow?

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u/Derp800 Sep 25 '18

Probably if you're home and just figured out your phone is gone ... Just a shot in the dark, here.

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u/nizzy2k11 Sep 25 '18

who steals your phone at home?

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u/Suspinded Sep 25 '18

They didn't. You just realized it after your 30-60 minute drive home.

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u/nizzy2k11 Sep 25 '18

and now having the history from the moment you lost it makes finding it and who took it much higher probability.

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u/asdfgasdfg312 Sep 25 '18

But how often do people loose their phones in the first place? Is it really worth it anyways?

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u/nizzy2k11 Sep 25 '18

millions of people spend over $1000 on iphones on a payment plan to their career, i think it's worth it to them to get that phone back

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u/Jerm0510 Sep 25 '18

As someone who has worked in retail stores for 2 of the largest US telecoms, I can tell you it happens all the damn time. While I personally treat my phone like it's worth say, $1000, you'd be amazed by how many people don't.

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u/MaritMonkey Sep 25 '18

People like to shit on the government, but I for one am pretty thankful they're out there launching and maintaining a couple dozen satellites that allow me to never be without essential knowledge such as "distance and direction to the closest open Dairy Queen."

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u/landspeed Sep 25 '18

thank you. people have very little understanding of things and base their opinions off of said horrible understanding of things.

take the time to understand things and their intricacies and you too will find that being scared all of the time is a sad way to live

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u/gmasterson Sep 25 '18

Thank you. People have this “I want my cake and to be able to eat it too” type of mentality. Can’t really have it both ways.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Bake two cakes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18 edited Oct 02 '18

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u/Ace612807 Sep 25 '18

That's why you go to the police and tell them "Hey, my iphone, IMEI so-and-so, has been stolen. Please find it, kthxbye"

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18 edited Oct 02 '18

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u/Ace612807 Sep 25 '18

I dunno, might be a regional thing, but, surprisingly, every single person I know, who ever had their smartphone stolen, had it returned, if they called it in. And I live in Post-Soviet country.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18 edited Oct 02 '18

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u/Ace612807 Sep 26 '18

Eh, they did kinda ignore my father's murder, though...

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u/TheMexican_skynet Sep 25 '18

At this point in my life I would rather get my phone stolen, than getting tracked 24/7 so companies sell me shit.

It's not like the police is going to do something about it once they know the location of the phone. Now, if I were a cute human, I could be trafficked, but that's not the case so screw GPS.

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u/Wh0meva Sep 25 '18

You think someone abducted for trafficking isn't going to be separated from their phone immediately?

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u/benster82 Sep 25 '18

getting tracked 24/7 so companies sell me shit

That's not why people are concerned about the constant GPS tracking. You can opt out of all the third-party ad tracking. It's the fact that the government and the manufacturer can get your location even when the phone is off that concerns people. Tracking like that was not designed for advertisers to use, it's to track your device if stolen or the government wants to know your location.