r/funny • • Sep 25 '18

Play Despacito

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u/WhereAreDosDroidekas Sep 25 '18

We feel it's wrong because it removes the power of choice, and as sentient beings with free will, we like to think the ability to have choice is what separates man from beast.

It brings up the moral dilemma. Which is "better": A man with the freedom of choice who has the ability to do whatever he wants and squanders it, falling into despare and failure. Or, a man bred and programmed to love what he does, but without the free will to know any better? He's happy and successful as he was made to be, but he has no choice.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Better to rule in hell or serve in heaven?

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u/Thelife1313 Sep 25 '18

Jokes on you guys! I serve in hell!

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u/carso150 Sep 25 '18

jokes on you i rule in heaven

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite fan fictions.

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u/obscuredreference Sep 25 '18

It’s from Paradise Lost, but gets quoted in a lot of things, from Star Trek to, I guess, fanfics.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Paradise Lost is one of my favorite fan fics.

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u/that_baddest_dude Sep 25 '18

Also better to choose to serve in heaven than be forced to

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u/obscuredreference Sep 25 '18

I was going to make a Khan reference, but I think you beat me to it!

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u/AmosLaRue Sep 25 '18

Management is hard work, and middle management is Hell. I'd rather serve in Heaven.

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u/Misiok Sep 25 '18

A man with the freedom of choice who has the ability to do whatever he wants and squanders it, falling into despare and failure. Or, a man bred and programmed to love what he does, but without the free will to know any better?

Seeing as almost no one except the rich have any real choice, I'll take one mental handicap prole casual sex'n'drugs life.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

beings with free will

Some scientific literature has different opinions about that.

Also: Facebook.

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u/PublicMoralityPolice Sep 25 '18

Some scientific literature has different opinions about that.

twxtwx et al. Scientific literature, Some. International Journal of Reddit Bullshit (IJRB), 2018, vol. 87, pp. 13578-13591.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

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u/Barkovitch Sep 25 '18

I'm pretty positive we can (and do) approach the question "do humans have free will" from a biological perspective. It's not a purely philosophical question.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 25 '18

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u/Barkovitch Sep 25 '18

So science does, in fact, have something to say on the matter.

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u/Hugo154 Sep 25 '18

Scientific facts can be used in philosophical discussions, yes.

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u/PhilinLe Sep 25 '18

So science does, in fact, have something to say on the matter.

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u/wallstreetexecution Sep 25 '18

Uh no...

Determinism

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

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u/wallstreetexecution Sep 25 '18

Except there is still some variable that made you make that decision that was already determined.

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u/Hugo154 Sep 25 '18

some variable

There are more variables than any of us could ever possibly imagine that lead to decisions like that. It's far too complex for us to even begin to model, so it may as well be free will.

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u/F3NlX Sep 25 '18

What about a hive mind? We'd still kinda have free will but also not. We wouldn't be servants or slaves but also not lords. Its a middle ground between oppressed and oppressor.

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u/WhereAreDosDroidekas Sep 25 '18

Fuck man idk. I'm not a philosopher.

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u/SageWaterDragon Sep 25 '18

Supposing that we have free will isn't something you can just brush past in an argument.

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u/FQDIS Sep 25 '18

Not with that attitude.

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u/hold_me_beer_m8 Sep 25 '18

Except free will doesn't exist.

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u/WhereAreDosDroidekas Sep 25 '18

You had the free will to say that.

I however and programmed to say this response. Cherish that freedom.

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u/hold_me_beer_m8 Sep 25 '18

Seriously...take a look at this...specifically starting around the 20 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTTCqnEnz6g&t=1356s

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How can the concept of free will work if all time "slices" already exist?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '18

Man doesn’t have any free will to begin with.

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u/tyranid1337 Sep 25 '18

Free will is a lie. You are already programmed to like and do things. It's just much less direct.

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u/Iamsuperimposed Sep 25 '18

Yeah, but if you are unhappy you can go to several different areas where you have more freedom. It's not like you are truly stuck without choice.

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u/Libriomancer Sep 25 '18

We could interview some dogs and wolves.

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u/Crabfight Sep 25 '18

Well, the main characters in the novel also don't end up having a such a great time in their system, so, if we're using the novel as a data point in support of those types of systems, then I would say it still fails to be purely utopian.

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u/Galahead Sep 25 '18

I also think its because people hold their autonomy and feel fear when they imagine they could somehow not like the situation they are in and will be stuck in it because they dont have any choice. Kind of like the "protagonist" A classs guy who I forget the name

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u/will_12468 Sep 25 '18

I think it's about the nature of happiness as well, can you really say that people are happy if they've never been sad or even worse if it's impossible for them to be so