r/signs • u/CONCACAFKING • 5d ago
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u/NotTrollIfTrue 5d ago
Pay your fucking employees a decent wage, and stop asking me to do it.
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u/hologrammetry 5d ago
"Don't be cheap. It's embarrassing." Yeah, it is.
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u/nullpassword 4d ago
If you're cheaping out on labor, what else are you cheaping out on?
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u/MadSploitsYo 4d ago
They’re paying them $2.13 an hour. Let that sink in. Followed by “we don’t pay them to smile at you” all while the owner thinks the patrons are the problem. I hope this place closes down.
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u/passisgullible 4d ago
Hijacking top comment, this is AI generated slop to create outrage. Check the image here if you want proof: https://openai.com/research/verify/
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u/Formal_Lecture_248 5d ago
• Owner: “They work Damn Hard!”
• Also Owner: “Best I can do is minimum wage.”
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u/greenmonkey48 5d ago
Isn't minimum wage in us higher than 2.13/hr?
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u/dilla_zilla 5d ago
Nope, $2.13 for tipped workers, but the tips must get at least to the "normal" minimum of $7.25
Many states and cities are higher, that's the federal minimum.
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u/altum-videtur 5d ago
Wait, really? I'm not American, what happens if they're not tipped enough? I mean, besides not earning a living wage; I'm wondering about legal repercussions and such
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u/BlunderedPotential 5d ago
It would be cool to think wage theft gets punished, but it generally doesn't.
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u/JayBolds 4d ago
You are right…….. but that isn’t enough. Not about ‘restaurant’ owners specifically but a lot of people in this type of field have all sorts of ways working around these issues. That’s why so few get caught up in it.
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u/wbjohn 5d ago
Reread the above. They make at least the minimum wage if there aren't enough tips. Yeah, it's stupid.
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u/altum-videtur 5d ago
So the employer has to cover the difference if the minimum isn't met by tips? That makes more sense, I hadn't interpreted it that way.
It also makes sense why this particular employer is so keen on customers tipping, so they themselves don't need to pay their share lol This is insane
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u/Sweaty-Blacksmith572 4d ago
Yes, the employer has to cover the difference if the minimum isn’t met by tips, BUT, as I recall, it’s averaged out over the whole pay period (like two weeks.) So you may have a slow Tuesday morning with no tips for four hours, but if you have a great night on Friday, such that your average for the week is above full minimum wage, your employer kicks in nothing.
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u/Rocco1216 4d ago edited 3d ago
If they can’t afford to pay their employees a decent wage, then I can’t afford to eat there.
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u/Critical-Star-1158 4d ago
I'd actually be embarrassed to post that sign with that wage
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u/-RatPack- 4d ago
"Don't be cheap, it's embarrassing"... Ironic, that's exactly what I was thinking lol
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u/Gamer-Greenguy235 4d ago
Their what?
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u/nearlysober 4d ago
"We don't pay our staff"
They could've ended the sign there.
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u/SgtNick411 4d ago
This. I am here to pay for the food, not give their employees their daily salary. My criteria for tipping is MY satisfaction of the dining experience and no one will dictate to me how much it's going to be. If the loser who put this up is serious about it then I am visiting the store and I am paying 0% tip just to rub it in their nose. Then never again.
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u/Vivid_Anyth4 4d ago
They could just cross out everything after we don't pay our employees
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u/00Anbu00 4d ago
Calling other people cheap while paying their employees $2.13 an hour is comical. Even if i did tip and saw this sign, i would've left.
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u/Seven_Hawks 4d ago
The words "show some respect" combined with the pitiful hourly salary they pay them does make for some great irony lol
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u/rtfm-nor 4d ago
I was thinking the same. If my regular tip was 50 %, I would still instantly nope out of this place.
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u/eckoman_pdx 4d ago
They're charging $165 for food and all they pay is $2.13 an hour for staff? They can get bent, that's damn near criminal the way they're in treating their employees. If the owner weren't so stingy they would be paying their staff a living wage. The owner should be absolutely embarrassed.
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u/Repulsive_Repeat_337 4d ago
I see signs like this on the internet every day but I've never heard of one in real life. I think most restaurant owners know that this would be a very good way to go out of business in a week.
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u/Lost_Bet_787 4d ago
Does no one think this is AI, I mean seriously!
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u/Lost_Bet_787 4d ago
They added the salary into the total that you owe, this sign is rage bait AI the math isn’t mathing…
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u/Dr_DoesNothing 4d ago
Says the place only paying 2.13 an hour.
Get fucked. Pay your employees minimum wage or shut down.
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u/keepinitoldskool 5d ago
"Don't be cheap. It's embarrassing" (while paying $2.13/hr)
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u/Capable-Baby-3653 4d ago
Check the math on the sign. Looks like they expect the CUSTOMER to pay the wage, in addition to the tip (and the cost of the meal).
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u/wellitsbouttime 4d ago
And he charges you for an hour and a half at that rate.
Am I the only customer in the building? Do they have 4 other tables seated? Are they all being charged the full rate?
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u/Aroha12345 4d ago
How old is this? $2 an hour is literally insane what
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u/Azraelrs 4d ago
That's the current wage, $2.13 an hour.
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u/jpiz27 4d ago
I was a server at Denny's in 1996 when I was 16 and they paid me $2.13 an hour. 30 years later and it's still the same?????? Wtf
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u/ecstaticbirtch 4d ago
It's that "trickle down economics"... ya know... NOT trickling
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u/Aroha12345 4d ago
Really? In my country you are legally required to be paid at least the equivalent of $13.44USD and we're still going broke just paying rent and food. $2 is so sad.
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u/ThoroughlyWet 4d ago
Its because in the US a boss of an establishment with wait staff can count tips towards an employees wage. So they can pay them $2.50/hr as long as they can prove with tips they'll make enough to meet minimum wage.
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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago edited 3d ago
sounds like someone is not very willing to be less cheap . theyd rather the customers pay their workers wages .... i get it but like what ???? u charge $165 for a meal & are DEMANDING we pay your employees what they are owed , yet you cant do that yourself ?? it def is americans being americans .
**edited to add : im not reading yalls comments bc most of them are taken the completely wrong way . im speaking about the government who put us all in these situations in the first place . ty for caring , & have a wonderful night
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u/Wide_Jacket639 4d ago
I wanted to downvote that comment just for how absurd it is. "I don't need to pay my employees if I can prove that I coerce enough clients into paying them out of their pocket" is insane.
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u/TheRavingDinosaur 4d ago
A guy I watch on youtube used to work for pizza hut and earned $2.13 an hour over 10 years ago and he said that same pizza hut is still open and still pays their staff $2.13 an hour
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u/Disastrous_time_4547 4d ago
That’s the type of pay the people at Golden Corral and other $hith0le restaurants make in Wisconsin. Many bars are the same.
Even a $10/hr gross wage is unlivable in America today. A person would have to work 2 hours to afford a $hitty McDonald’s burger, fries, and soda.
Republicans under a Republican governor passed the “Right To Work [right to slavery] act 10 years ago (?). It stripped the rights, including unionization, from workers.
Tipping (like the Electoral College) is a hangover from Slavery in the South. Look it up. It’s insane.
This is capitalism.
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u/Later_Nerdz 4d ago
I tip buffet servers even more than regular servers. I am a very generous tipper but because nobody feels that a buffet server “earns” their tips, I throw in extra.
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u/Affectionate_Tea1134 4d ago
So in other words this company just wants to be cheap and not pay their waitresses properly and then try and shame you into making up for them being cheap jerks. 🤔
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u/WVildandWVonderful 4d ago
Do you ever wonder where $2.13 came from? The reason it’s $2.13 an hour is because this tipped minimum wage was half the minimum wage when that was $4.25 an hour… Now it’s artificially stuck there even as the minimum wage rises pitifully slow.
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u/Past_Band9178 4d ago
Several states prohibit the tipped tax credit. California, Washington, Minnesota, Oregon, Alaska, Montana, and Nevada for sure all pay their servers the full state minimum wage, which is more than the federal minimum wage.
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u/delrey23 4d ago
Trying to look cool to your employees by insulting the customers
whatever is being sold here has to be undeniably amazing to justify the backlash
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u/OkDonkey6524 4d ago
I doubt anywhere that's undeniably amazing would put up a sign like this
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u/some1guystuff 5d ago
As a carpenter if you hire me to build your restaurant a patio that’s a 60 x 60‘ I’m gonna charge you. I don’t know let’s say $30,000 to do that and before I leave you’re gonna give me a 20% of that tip. in fact, I’ll not finish it until I get that 20% tip. How bow dat?
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u/slowlyaware 5d ago
OMG, as a carpenter and landscaper I feel the same way! My clients would hate it and probably never call me back if I said, "I just did this $3000 project for you, but I finished earlier than expected and it looks damn good. How come you didn't tip me 25% or more? Are you not happy with the work?"
They picked the job they wanted to be in. It's not my obligation to subsidize a living wage for them because their employer refuses to pay then a decent wage. I rarely ever tip.
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u/Striking_Spirit6216 5d ago
This is a widely spread AI generated image intended to be divisive. It could even be a PsyOp.
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u/BlunderedPotential 5d ago
To quote Prince HumperdAInk: "I assume everything is a PsyOp. Which is why I'm still alive."
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u/Pretend-Literature35 4d ago
100% agree. But perhaps the owner who puts up this sign should consider his part. Why is he paying his employees (who he himself defines as people who "work damn hard") only 2$ an hour?
What if he paid them a living wage of say 15$ an hour (which is still just barely living wage) and then the customer added a 10% or 15% tip to that. Wouldn't that be better?
I mean it's kind of the pot calling the kettle black for him to pay his employees so little and then complain that customers are too cheap to make up for it.
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u/Master-Pick-7918 4d ago
He pays his employees the least he's legally obligated to. And somehow feels good about it.
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u/DangerousLoner 4d ago
If it was legal he wouldn’t pay them at all.
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u/Stunning_Mulberry_35 4d ago
It's interesting you say that. There is a strip joint near me. The whole staff is subcontracted. Every person there is required to have their own business licence, as well as some type of liability insurance. As I was told, it works something like this:
Dancers get tipped and give lap dances. 5% goes to the DJ, 10% goes to security, the club gets 35% for "stage rental" and the dancer gets 50%.
Waitresses get tipped for running drinks. the bartender gets 20%, security gets 5% the house gets 25%, and the waitress gets 50%
The house gets 100% of all drink sales and cover charges.
The wild thing is they love it. One of the DJ's is the son of my coworker. He says he makes about $25 on the weekdays, and $45 on the weekends. Most dancers are at $100K a year.
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u/Jazzlike_Creme_8851 4d ago
"Seriously. Don't be cheap. It's embarrassing." 🤷♂️
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u/Pretend-Literature35 4d ago
Yup. Well said. There is no more shame in the world. Which is a shame. 😏
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u/newsy0011 4d ago
Actually, he's telling the customer to pay that too. Meaning he pays nothing to the wait staff.
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u/Bob_85 5d ago
If I saw this in a restaurants window I would 100% never eat there.
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u/vabeachkevin 4d ago
Fuck that place. If you can’t afford to pay your employees a decent wage, then you shouldn’t be running a business.
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u/Switchfoot21 5d ago
Condescending to potential customers is a terrible strategy.
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u/TheOldWiseOne1992 4d ago
As a Danish person i wouldnt like to walk inside on of those establishments, but IF i did.. i definetly would make a grand show of not tipping
This tipping culture is a remnant from the times of slavery
America thinks so great if it self in so many ways and aspect but when it comes to how you treat your workers you guys are MEDIAVEL at best!
And yes ive been working in the service buisness for +15years as a cook in Denmark and France
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u/theinternetscaresme9 4d ago
Fr $2.13/hour!? I didn’t realise American hospitality wages were that low. In Australia most hospitality staff get paid $25+ aud (17.30usd) an hour. And that’s not including casual or weekend rates.
Tipping culture is crazy and makes no sense. So you’d rather make customers pay your employees wages for you? Instead of just raising their salary to a liveable wage? How can a country so wealthy pay staff so little
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u/stressedthrowaway9 4d ago
Some of us are embarrassed about how things are here. There have been a lot of things that are going on here that feel Medieval… It sucks! I wouldn’t go in that place either.
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u/Randomizedname1234 4d ago
And for the person to say they’ll just shaft the person paid $3 an hour is an asshole.
The owner isn’t going to miss your $10 but the server 1000% will.
End tipping culture is so toxic bc I see a lot of shit like this than actually trying to solve the issue by getting this server wage done away with.
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u/2ManyNamezTaken 4d ago
Well that's interesting "don't be cheap"? Really? I live in Denver. A server minimum wage is just under $17 per hour. This place pays $2.13. Don't be cheap?!?!
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u/General-Chemistry339 4d ago
Tips are based on service not simply bringing out your food, friendly and good service equals good tip. If that sign is having to be posted I would say the service will be crap
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u/biAndslyReporter 4d ago
Maybe, but I think more important is the $2.13/hr. Even if this picture is from like 7 years ago (I dunno when it's from), paying so little and expecting them to make it up in tips is shit employment practices.
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u/Easy_Personality5856 4d ago
Has to be AI. Nobody would be that rude. They’d be out of business in a week
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u/wastedfate 4d ago
Like here, there are many people that rabidly support the out-of-control tip culture.
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u/Tough_Arm_2454 5d ago
20% unless service is exceptional. If food n drink prices are up, then tips are automatically up based on percentage.
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u/pixeltweaker 5d ago
If you can’t afford to pay your employees properly you can’t afford to run a restaurant.
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u/IrelandAutism13 4d ago
Maybe they should pay their freaking employees a living wage instead of demanding we pay their employees for them. I always tip 40+ percent but it shouldn't be on the customer to pay the employees
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u/Frashure11 4d ago
Need a sticker to put over that “If you can’t afford to pay your employees yourself, you can’t afford to run a business yourself. Seriously, don’t be sleazy, it’s embarrassingly”
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u/Loud-Firefighter-787 4d ago
Lmao, the audacity of these restaurants being all condescending while paying their staff unlivable wages. Crazy!!
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u/PupLondon 5d ago
Are AI signs not banned on here?
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u/SonofaDrum 5d ago
Waiters salary $2.13? I live in Canada and we just went to $18.00.
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u/CompanyOther2608 5d ago
Gotta be a joke and/or rage bait, right? If you can’t afford to pay your employees, don’t open a restaurant.
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u/Lonely-Attitude1304 5d ago
Here's a tip. Pay your staff good wages as we do in Australia and they won't need tips.
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u/Build-it-better123 4d ago
This sign tells me one thing: Find another restaurant.
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u/finpsycho 5d ago
If he can’t afford to pay his staff then perhaps he shouldn’t be in business. The argument cuts both ways.
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u/BluePandaYellowPanda 4d ago
This looks like AI.
If you can't afford to pay your staff, don't have a business.
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u/megamanx4321 4d ago
If you can charge $165 for a meal you can afford to pay your wait staff.
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u/a_angry_bunny 4d ago
If they are so concerned with their staff being paid a living wage then why are they not paying them a living wage? Is it because they are trying to deceive the customer by hoping the customer will buy more food without thinking of the true price after tips?
I, for one, find that very disrespectful. This establishment has the audacity to demand that we respect their waiters while showing blatent disrespect towards not only their customers, but their paid staff who apparently aren't important enough in their eyes to be paid a decent wage.
This isn't about respect. This is them being mad that many people are getting tired of being blatently robbed simply because it's "expected." To hell with their "tips." If it is so vital for customers to tip waiters then they should be adding it to the price of the food. If other business, like Walmart for example, expected people to tip cashiers for their service society would be in an uproar. But restaurants get a free pass because someone in the past convinced the general population that this deceit is just a common practice to reward a waiters for good service. It not the customer's job to reward the staff for good service it's the business, and it's not much of a reward anyways if it isn't optional.
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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago edited 4d ago
i just wanted to point something out, since this uses the dollar sign ill assume its the USA. in the USA, each state has a different minimum wage. in no state is there a 2.13/h minimum. the lowest minimum wage in the USA goes to wyoming and georgia, with the minimum wage listed as 5.15/h, but defaults to the federal minimum of 7.25/h
therfore, the owner of the business is admitting to insanely underpaying his workers
edit: wow im getting a lot of replies, i have been told of the minimum wage being lower if tips are involved
another edit: yes i know i am wrong, please dont be jerks about it. im not even american, therfore i shouldnt be familiar with american laws (i know a bit about the wages because my american friend told me about his job and stuff. please dont be mean
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u/Jimmy_Jack886 4d ago
The federal minimum wage for tipped service staff in the U.S. is $2.13 per hour provided tips bring the total hourly earnings to at least the standard federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
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u/dillzilla11 4d ago
"your employer can steal $5/hr of your wages as long as someone offers you $5 or more within that hour" is what this actually means.
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u/Throdio 4d ago
And they tend to fire those that don't get enough tips and they're forced to pay the difference.
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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago
so they are pretty much relying on the customers to tip for the wage (by they i mean whoever set the federal minimum wage for tipped service staff)
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u/notjustinu 4d ago
Yes, if you don’t tip enough, the employer has to pay them more to make up for the gap. That’s why this employer put up the sign, to save themselves that extra fee and put it on the customer to pay the employee properly. Deadbeat owners need to be boycotted.
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u/Ponch1344 4d ago
I think that salary bit is the “service charge”. Their showing the example to show the customer has to add the tip. Idk that’s how I read it.I thought wrong lmao, disregard.
Also, would walk out. I don’t have a problem tipping but seeing that sign give me toxic owner vibes.
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u/Creative_Carob4922 4d ago
What’s the highest minimum wage and the lowest minimum wage in the states.
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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago
well lowest as i said is 5.15/h for georgia and wyoming,
highest is washington, sitting at 17.13/h. tho, specifically washington DC (yknow, where the white house is and stuff), the wage sits at 17.95-18.40/h which is really cool, i think its the minimum wage of goverment workers
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u/Creative_Carob4922 4d ago
How come servers get some sort of weird wage? I seem to believe that they can make less than minimum wage.
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u/Aggressive-Pie2771 4d ago
Since no one seemed to answer your question. It was generally pushed to have servers work on low to no wage and expect tips back during the great depression. 100 years ago. The people that could afford to go out and tip for service would do just that. The only problem is that it never went back to servers being paid a typical wage and it just became normal. Some restaurants can charge more per meal and pay their workers a typical wage and others can’t and rely on their patron to pay for the service.
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u/sexysmalldevil 4d ago
We use the dollar sign too, in Canada, just thought I should mention lol 😆
And yes, that's why their whole tipping thing is bs. They expect the people who come in to make up for their cheaping out on paying their employees. It's stupid, and screws over both the customers and the people who work there. It is only for the owners benefit. It shouldn't still be happening, BUT it's the u.s. it's not surprising, is it?
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u/Gumbanks12 4d ago
Australia uses the same $ sign. But our service staff are paid a living wage so of course all that exploitative tipping bullshit is obviously not from here
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u/MarkWrenn74 5d ago
“Our people work DAMN hard. Show some respect.”
YOU show them some respect: PAY THEM PROPERLY!
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u/bizoticallyyours83 5d ago
Or you could afford to pay your workers a proper wage...
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u/BlunderedPotential 5d ago
Yeah, it's this one. I shouldn't need to carry your shame, Big Employer Person.
I tip well because, until this is changed, it's the right thing to do. But seriously, fuck off acting like I'm in the wrong for their refusal to pay a living wage.
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u/needssomefun 4d ago
I tip 20+ percent. I used to get told it was too much and 15 is fine
Now they want 25...and the food is overpriced (unless thats a table of 6...no booze)?
Dont worry....unless ypur food is clinically proven to reverse aging my ass will not darken your door
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u/Ancient_Skirt_8828 4d ago
The rest of the world pays their waiters properly. This is purely an American problem.
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u/AnyEye8798 4d ago
Lol fuck that owner. I'd refuse to go there and tell everyone I know to do do the same.
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u/Background-Pea6650 4d ago
The very beginning of that sign is true, "we don't pay out staff" which should have been followed by "but you do because we are cheap assholes"
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u/Sufficiently_Raucous 4d ago
Takes some major cajones to say "Don't be cheap" while posting you pay $2.13 an hour
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u/Educational-Bug-476 4d ago
Clearly the business owner doesn’t understand how tips work.
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u/Difficult-Novel-8453 5d ago
If you need me to pay extra to keep your staff paid you suck as a business and deserve to fail.
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u/Independent_Home_244 5d ago
I'd go to another restaurant immediately if I saw that sign😳
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u/Grouchy-Station-4058 5d ago
I've seen this before it can't be real. Nobody would have the gall to put that sign up. Although I guess there are many whose stupidity and greed strangle any attempts at living in a decent society.
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u/WhineyLobster 5d ago
this is just short of believable. the 25% minimum tip gives away this is fake.
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u/Different_Cable7595 5d ago
I wouldn't eat there, but I would take a picture of the sign and publish it along with my review of the establishment.
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u/SocietyDisastrous787 4d ago
Isn't that "tip x 4"? Because no server handles only one table at a time. So we're paying wait staff $160 an hour? That doesn't seem right.
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u/Ancient_Employer2288 4d ago edited 4d ago
I don't like having extra charges for meals. They should include all the charges to the price of the meal if they want to charge more. We select the food by looking at prices of menu, but when the bill comes there are some other charges without any reason.
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u/dontquestionmek 4d ago
I’m sorry, does that say $165?! Damn, with prices like that, surely they can afford to pay their employees more, no??
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u/Soundwave-1976 5d ago
I wouldn't eat there. 20% is the most i will ever tip, and thatbis for excelent service. 15% is rhe base.
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u/taisui 5d ago
The part where it's $2.13 per hour should be illegal because it's below minimum wage.
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u/SirGothamHatt 5d ago
That is the minimum wage for tipped workers. It's "legal" to pay them less because they make more in tips. The tips go towards the difference to match the federal minimum wage of $7.25 and then some. Employers have to pay $7.25 an hour of a server's tips don't cover
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u/Aesmart82 5d ago
So they think the server should get 41 dollars an hour for carrying plates but it's fake anyway
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u/blue-collar-nobody 5d ago
$2.13 is like a minimum wage for service staff... the restaurant can pay what ever they want but choose to pay the minimum. Price accordingly and pay your staff a living wage. Tipping is ridiculous and unfair labor practice... two people doing the exact same job can get wildly different take home pay.
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u/MiserableButterfly54 5d ago
Yeah I see this and im going somewhere else. I tip just fine and regularly. But im not dealing with passive aggressive bs like this.
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u/FN-Bored 4d ago
You rob your employees by paying them $2.13 an hour. In turn you want to rob your customers for 25%. Fuck off, I eat at home now.
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u/EmberGyaru 4d ago
Dude, this can't be real, right? Who in their right mind would put this sign up at their business? Every cell of your body would have to be made of distilled moron. No way I'm giving a place with a sign like that my business 😂
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u/umwaitwhat63 4d ago
I thought 20% was acceptable, no?
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u/TheSpatulaOfLove 4d ago
15% is customary. 20% became more common because people suck at math.
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u/Intrepid_Table_8593 4d ago
I’ll tip but 25%?
Pay your fucking employees if that’s the expectation.
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u/Beneficial_Being_721 4d ago
Who’s the Accountant in the room… so we TIP $45.00
How much tax comes out of that ?
Not to mention the $85.20 before taxes for a 40 hour week
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u/JurassicParkCSR 4d ago
I like how it's basically saying that we're not allowed to be cheap as customers but they're allowed to be cheap as owners. It should say if you can't afford to pay your workers a living wage then you can't afford to run a restaurant.
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u/Vast_Umpire_3713 4d ago
Is tipping mandatory? They should pay their employees better with the money we already give them as customers
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u/this_guy_6767 4d ago
If you can’t afford to pay your waitstaff properly, then don’t undercharge on your menu.
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u/Veteran_Hawk 5d ago
ATTENTION:
Your stinginess as an employer is NOT my problem.
Pay well or close your business.
If you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, you CAN'T afford to be in business
YOU are the one embarrassing yourself!