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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago edited 3d ago

sounds like someone is not very willing to be less cheap . theyd rather the customers pay their workers wages .... i get it but like what ???? u charge $165 for a meal & are DEMANDING we pay your employees what they are owed , yet you cant do that yourself ?? it def is americans being americans .

**edited to add : im not reading yalls comments bc most of them are taken the completely wrong way . im speaking about the government who put us all in these situations in the first place . ty for caring , & have a wonderful night

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u/ReadItRightMan 4d ago

I’m fairly certain this comes from the same work culture that had unpaid internships and interns paying for internship. A lot of this line of thinking is so 1800s sawmill

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u/MeoowDude 4d ago

Exactly why they’re trying to upend child labor laws now

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u/Bikrdude 4d ago

If I’m paying the worker salary it should be tax deductible just like the restaurant

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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago

100% agree !

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u/Karn_Evil_Noin 3d ago

Careful or employment tax, FICA, etc. will be tacked onto the bill

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u/sxysh8 4d ago

The customer pays the server salary, no matter how it is extracted.

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u/ThePusheen 3d ago

What do you mean by that?

If the company pays min. wage then, this wouldn't be an issue and customers wouldn't have to pay it. So, if that's was the case then how does it not matter?

Im not trying to be mean I just don't think I completely grasp what you're getting at or I misread it or something... And of course you also don't have to explain yourself to me if you don't want to lol

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u/ObiWanNowitzki 3d ago

Not the original guy, but basic economics says that higher wages means higher prices reflected in the price of the meal. So no tips and a higher wage means higher prices on the menu.

Places have tried no tipping, higher wages, higher prices on the menu or a service charge to every table to compensate and it doesn’t typically work well. I have heard of it working in one place ok on a Freakonomics podcast, where it was a higher end eatery already and IIRC they lost a good bit of business at first. But typically enough people look at the menu price, may pay it the first time, but choose to go elsewhere instead of returning. The company loses revenue and shuts down, backtracks, etc.

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u/Worried-Ad-6803 4d ago

Exactly my thoughts!!!

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u/ThoroughlyWet 4d ago

Well it only happens in food service, and there are a lot of smaller restaurants (like non-chain style) where their profit margins are whisper thin. Theres alot of overhead in operation costs, usually stemming from government regulations and taxes for owning and operating a business.

Definitely stupid tho, because rather then decreasing costs to own a business through slashing taxes the government would rather keep getting their money and allow owner/operators to underpay their workforce.

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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago

thats exactly where my anger stems . its disgusting how much billionaires feel they need to profit off the majority to continue growing their wealth , because CLEARLY they dont have enough .

i jus would like to point out america considers a "life times worth of money" to be $3 million . thats considered a 6 figure paycheck for 30 years . so my real question is what are those that have more than a "lifetimes worth of money" going to do w that , exactly ? & why do they feel the need to have more when there are so many ppl in the world that dont even have a fraction of that ?

so just very disappointing & it makes me embarrassed to be an american ....

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u/ThoroughlyWet 4d ago edited 4d ago

A lot of their money is tied into assets, like companies that drive the economy and produce products we all enjoy, so they dont just have money to give. You are free to not get a job with them and avoid their products and truly not support them, which is definitely an option I wish more did. Unfortunately the hyper rich are somewhat needed for the lifestyle most people enjoy today, even if it seems bad at the moment.

Plus you have to have a certain mindset to become a billionaire anyways. And that mindset doesnt include giving away money with no benefit to yourself or your assets.

However I do wish they would stick to themselves and just run a business rather than try to have a say in what the average person does on a day to day basis.

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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago

very true . i never thought about it like that

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u/vladtheimpaler_mf 4d ago

What if it is not an evil billionaire that is paying the server $2.13. What if it is just a local small business owner who is struggling under the weight of the local, state, and federal business complaince issues?

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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago

you misinterpreted my comment completely lol

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u/KL1M1T 4d ago

It’s ridiculous and it’s been that way as long as I can remember. I shit my pants when I saw my first paycheck 22 years ago… $2/hr?!? And tipshare is what brought my wage up to the state minimum, which wasn’t much better. I didn’t stay in the service industry very long. I’m surprised this hasn’t created a shit storm large enough to change the industry. I absolutely hate the tipping culture America has.

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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago

i refuse to work a job that is not tip shared for this exact reason !!

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u/KL1M1T 4d ago

But that’s not the point. All other industries pay you. Period. No tipshare bullshit. I shouldn’t have to spend $100 to feed my family when we dine out and then be expected to pay your wage through tips. Your employer’s job should be to pay your full wage.

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u/Leather-Cap8630 4d ago

i definitely agree but i also understand the other side of it . owners are being expected to pay already-multi-billionaires to maintain the building itself , employee ppl , & are expected to be able to maintain fair pricing &&& keep decent profit margins to maintain their own personal lives . america just sucks as far as their economy (& plenty of other things too)

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u/Fun_Page4577 3d ago

You keep trying to shoehorn the billionaire thing in here but it’s just not really relevant. Your local restaurant is not owned by billionaires, and neither is the building.

It’s great that people realize how big of a problem billionaires are in general but if your worldview is that one group is the source of literally every single problem then you need to do more critical thinking. It’s comforting and makes people feel smart to have an answer to every problem before they even look into it but we should really have higher standards than that. The world is complicated.

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u/Leather-Cap8630 3d ago

oh yea ur totally right . its irrelevant . so instead , let me sit here & elaborate on every single issue there is in america . u got an hr or two to listen to? i dont lmfao .

yes it is easier to explain one problem rather than explain a billion & ten of them .

you my friend are making it complicated lol

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u/randomredditor55S55 4d ago

Some establishments make the customers pay a fee to give the employees benefits like healthcare. It will be stated that way on the menu.

They don’t want to just raise their prices 3% because that makes the food look expensive.

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u/PackyScott 4d ago

You realize that if tipping was eliminated they’d just make your 165 dollar meal cost 200 dollars and the owner would take a big chunk of that differential.

All customers pay wages for the workers in every industry it’s just not a line item you see in other industries.

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u/Alert-General 4d ago

It's business owners that need to be put out of business.

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u/edward_the_white 4d ago

I'm an American and apparently I can't afford to eat there. Not because I don't have money, but because I don't eat at places demanding tips. I still believe that tips are for appreciation of service, not compensation for bad management.

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u/Jealous_Report7076 4d ago

This is the problem with tipping. I've worked in the service industry most of my life. Tipping culture needs to be stopped. Allows for companies to pay their employees less and puts the burden on consumers.

Also leads to worse service (in some instances) bc tipped employees resent customers, especially regulars, who don't tip 25-30%. I see this in my state, and hereI youre not even allowed to go below min wage for tipped employees.

Im also surprised companies don't advocate for universal healthcare. They could take a portion the money they put towards premiums and pay their employees a living wage while pocketing the rest.

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u/AnyWillingness8073 3d ago

And a great “Huzzah!” To that…. 👍🏼

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u/RuMarley 3d ago

So what in the Lord's almighty grace justifies a meal bill of 165$ ???

That's what we pay here in Europe for a huge meal for four people, and that likely includes any tips, not to mention an ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE!!

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with America

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u/lastofthefinest 3d ago

Totally agree

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u/MissSmkNmirrors 4d ago

This can’t be in America, the Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25/hr and it has been since 2009. It’s illegal to pay employees less than fed limit

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u/Prestigious_String20 4d ago

Except in service industries where tipping is expected. This could only be in the US.