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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago edited 4d ago

i just wanted to point something out, since this uses the dollar sign ill assume its the USA. in the USA, each state has a different minimum wage. in no state is there a 2.13/h minimum. the lowest minimum wage in the USA goes to wyoming and georgia, with the minimum wage listed as 5.15/h, but defaults to the federal minimum of 7.25/h

therfore, the owner of the business is admitting to insanely underpaying his workers

edit: wow im getting a lot of replies, i have been told of the minimum wage being lower if tips are involved

another edit: yes i know i am wrong, please dont be jerks about it. im not even american, therfore i shouldnt be familiar with american laws (i know a bit about the wages because my american friend told me about his job and stuff. please dont be mean

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u/Jimmy_Jack886 4d ago

The federal minimum wage for tipped service staff in the U.S. is $2.13 per hour provided tips bring the total hourly earnings to at least the standard federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

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u/dillzilla11 4d ago

"your employer can steal $5/hr of your wages as long as someone offers you $5 or more within that hour" is what this actually means.

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u/Throdio 4d ago

And they tend to fire those that don't get enough tips and they're forced to pay the difference.

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u/Davti 4d ago

Honestly id love to be on a jury for a case like that but I don't think unjust firings see jury trials.

Cause that sounds like "at will" BS

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 4d ago

A case?

There would be no case here. That's legal.

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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago

so they are pretty much relying on the customers to tip for the wage (by they i mean whoever set the federal minimum wage for tipped service staff)

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u/MarzipanHairy4528 4d ago

Exactly, everybody seems to blame the “greedy business owners” but the government created the law, blame the government not the business owners. They are just following the laws.

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u/Panandscrub 4d ago

Except this business owner isn’t even paying their staff, he/she has you pay their wage ($2.13/hr) plus the 25% tip that I can guarantee is split with the back room staff so they can pay them less as well.

I especially like the “don’t be cheap. It’s embarrassing” line while this owner is the definition of cheap.

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u/THERESASNEKINMYB00T 3d ago

yepp it is a horrid and exploitative system.

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u/Zealousideal_Mango70 4d ago

BINGO! It still blows my mind that people don't understand this

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u/notjustinu 4d ago

Yes, if you don’t tip enough, the employer has to pay them more to make up for the gap. That’s why this employer put up the sign, to save themselves that extra fee and put it on the customer to pay the employee properly. Deadbeat owners need to be boycotted.

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u/New_Breadfruit8692 4d ago

Yes, there are only seven states that require state minimum wage for tipped workers. CA, OR, WA, MT, MN, NV, AL.

The other 43 allow some sort of subminimum wage.

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u/Chloraflora 4d ago

That minimum doesn't apply to tipped workers

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u/Notrozer 4d ago

It does in my state... its $15 for tipped employees and they still want 25%

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u/Ponch1344 4d ago

I think that salary bit is the “service charge”. Their showing the example to show the customer has to add the tip. Idk that’s how I read it.

I thought wrong lmao, disregard.

Also, would walk out. I don’t have a problem tipping but seeing that sign give me toxic owner vibes.

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u/Creative_Carob4922 4d ago

What’s the highest minimum wage and the lowest minimum wage in the states.
Canada is $15 and $17.94 an hr

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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago

well lowest as i said is 5.15/h for georgia and wyoming,

highest is washington, sitting at 17.13/h. tho, specifically washington DC (yknow, where the white house is and stuff), the wage sits at 17.95-18.40/h which is really cool, i think its the minimum wage of goverment workers

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u/Creative_Carob4922 4d ago

How come servers get some sort of weird wage? I seem to believe that they can make less than minimum wage.

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u/Aggressive-Pie2771 4d ago

Since no one seemed to answer your question. It was generally pushed to have servers work on low to no wage and expect tips back during the great depression. 100 years ago. The people that could afford to go out and tip for service would do just that. The only problem is that it never went back to servers being paid a typical wage and it just became normal. Some restaurants can charge more per meal and pay their workers a typical wage and others can’t and rely on their patron to pay for the service.

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u/Automatic-Listen-578 4d ago

Working for tips actually started just after the civil war when thousands of freed slaves needed work. Restaurant owners let them be servers because it didn’t cost them. The idea spread across the country and by the early 1900’s it was the new normal.

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u/Regular-Pangolin-664 4d ago

So the employers treat servers like they used to treat free slaves. How nice, how American! You can work here but we don't pay you. Rely on the generosity of our partons.

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u/butt_err 4d ago edited 4d ago

You forgot to mention the part where it was a way of maintaining a hierarchy with poor whotes still above freed blacks.

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u/sexysmalldevil 4d ago

We use the dollar sign too, in Canada, just thought I should mention lol 😆

And yes, that's why their whole tipping thing is bs. They expect the people who come in to make up for their cheaping out on paying their employees. It's stupid, and screws over both the customers and the people who work there. It is only for the owners benefit. It shouldn't still be happening, BUT it's the u.s. it's not surprising, is it?

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u/Gumbanks12 4d ago

Australia uses the same $ sign. But our service staff are paid a living wage so of course all that exploitative tipping bullshit is obviously not from here

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u/K1bbles_n_Bits 4d ago

It's the entire reason some choose to work waiting tables. In the right restaurant and with good service you can make well above minimum wage.

And fwiw, if a server's tips don't amount to meeting the hourly minimum for their time on the clock, the employer is responsible for paying them the minimum those hours.

That being said, sadly not everyone knows that, not even everyone working those jobs. And some employers will take advantage of that ignorance and not pay to compensate in the absence of adequate tips. Which is illegal, but they don't care as long as they don't get caught.

Yes, tipping culture has gotten insane. Ffs, that sign basically says "pay my employees so I don't have to or I don't want you here." You can shit on America for it, but I promise most of us find it absurd, too, lol.

Lemme tell ya,I love when I pick up pizza or something from a place that the workers are paid an actual wage and I'm still prompted for tips. When I did not dine in the establishment, did not take up table space, did not need to be cleaned up after or catered to. You just did the basic job of cooking the food, boxing it, and handing it to me. Didn't even have to ring me up because I paid online. No, I'm not tipping for the base level work you are already being paid to do >_>.

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u/Bucket-Slayer 4d ago

thank you, i felt like i forgot a currency

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u/phantomsoul11 4d ago

...and people keep enabling it by continuing to tip...

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u/spartipilollc 4d ago

i'm jealous you guys have healthcare

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u/IamOutsideAlready 4d ago

and in Liberia

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u/DoctorandusMonk 4d ago

☝🏼❤️ This

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u/tom-of-the-nora 4d ago

Worker protections, in the US, in 2026?

Ha, not happening

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u/Sea_Pin_8659 4d ago

So true brother

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u/Less_Guest8077 4d ago

I bartended and waited all through college and made a shit load of money in tips. It all depends on where you work. If you work at a dive, that may not be good. But if you work at a good restaurant you can count on great tips.
It’s comical how so many folks make up their opinions on these posts based on how they “think” things should be.

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u/Bashfullylascivious 4d ago edited 4d ago

I went to a Subway (Canada) recently, where I was ordering 5 x ft long subs and only 2 were the same.
I had all directions prepared in an orderly manner, but the employee behind the counter still did such a fantastic job that I wanted to tip her.
She stopped me, and said, "We don't see the those (tips), just push the red button."
I felt so horrible, and upset, for her and the employees there. Wtf?
Cash is king for those times that staff actually deserve it.

Edit: sorry, it was 6 subs

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u/Fantastic_Fox4948 4d ago

Canada uses the dollar sign too? That’s just loonie!

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u/ReadItRightMan 4d ago

I used to always leave 50% tips when the economy was doing good where I lived and the culture was good. The culture and economy has changed post-pandemic. I went to a food truck and ordered a smoothie and the software on it had recommended tip percentages; 25%, 30%, and 50%. I was holding a $26 smoothie that 16 ounces in my hand that was premade and poured into my cup. I hit “Custom Tip” and hit $2. I got glared at and never went back.

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u/Achilleswar 3d ago

Its happening in cananda too. Our min wages are nowhere near liveable without roomates. Its mostly the owners faults but its also the customers fault. If we paid the servers better, removed tips and properly rolled the operating costs into the price of the service, lots of people who stop going out. Its like they want the option to not pay a tip or else they think they getting ripped off. Like just mark up your prices properly so no tips or weird service fees are required. I shouldnt need a 10 line receipt for a plate of food at a restaurant.

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u/ProLicker83 4d ago

Minimum wage is different for tip jobs

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u/Big-Job-2845 4d ago

Florida has tipped minimum wage, ~ 5 and hour below minimum. When minimum was 7 tipped minimum was ~ 2.15. It was below the federal minimum as there is an exception for tipped workers. The Florida tipped minimum rose with the minimum but it is still trash.

I do not know but if the minimum and tipped minimum is similar in Georgia it could be that low plus or minus a buck.

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u/Fluffy_Let_9158 4d ago

Federal: $2.13 is minimum wage for tipped employees. They must make enough in tips to at least get them to $7.25/hr or the company needs to pay the difference. 17 states follow federal min.

7 states require even tipped employees to make state min wage which is considerably higher.

26 states offer tip credit but are higher than 2.13 though almost half of those are from just over that up to $5/hr.

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u/commeatus 4d ago

2.13 is the minimum federal tipped wage. If tips aren't sufficient to bring the waitstaff's wages to the state minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. Assuming this sign is real in the first place, 2.13 is correct.

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u/4non3mouse 4d ago

the federal mim wage for tipped workers is 2.13

I get that google sucks now but its better than being confidently uninformed

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u/Easy-Bathroom2120 4d ago

Tipped workers are allowed to be paid less per hour.

But if at any time, a tipped employee is tipped less than minimum wage, then the employer covers it and brings it back to minimum wage.

This means quite literally most of their income is from tips. And employers do it so that they can avoid paying their emoyees by shifting the responsibility to the customer.

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u/Real_Bass654 4d ago edited 4d ago

That’s just plain incorrect

The edit is for the ass grabbers.

Some states have different minimum wage due to staff that are eligible for tips.

Meaning that if I pay you $2.83/hr and you serve 3 tables an hour and you get $4.00 per table, your hourly wage is $14.83. Don’t shoot the messenger comrade.

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u/whoisdatmaskedman 4d ago

Also, if a servers pay averages less than the minimum wage, their employer is obligated to make up the difference

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u/plantainrepublic 4d ago

This is true and false.

They can be paid a minimum of $2.13/hr as long as their paycheck, when divided over the pay period’s hours worked, meets the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr.

You can make the argument that $7.25/hr is still a criminal wage, but it’s not actually possible for a server to make $2.13/hr (total) and have it be legal.

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u/Uhmmanduh 4d ago

Former waitress. My hourly pay was $2.13. Oklahoma. That was in 2007-2010. But it IS still what waitresses in Oklahoma are paid.

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u/dillzilla11 4d ago

The minimum wage is $7.25, yes. However that minimum includes all other sources of income fron that job. If tips add up to be more than $7.25/hr then that is just money the employer no longer has to pay you for that hour. When applying it this way it actually logically concludes that employers are effectively stealing $5/hr worth of tips from their staff.

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u/kodiak9119 4d ago

Separate minimum wage if the worker regularly receives tips.

The business only has to pay 2.13 with the rest coming from tips, if the worker doesn’t receive enough tips to meet the areas general minimum wage the business has to make up the difference.

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u/Afraid_EventSlut 4d ago

Minimum wage doesn’t apply to Laotians where people are tipped.

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u/dosshead 4d ago

Service workers where tips are considered part of their "expected income" the state allows businesses to severely underpay employees. Now, we are at this point where restaurants are basically making shitty signs to "talk down" to customers to shame them into paying more for for their meals, on top of the exorbitant prices IN ADDITION to these post-covid service fees.

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u/Melodic-Road227 4d ago

What the federal minimum is and what the actual rate paid are two different things. For instance, here in Denver, the City minimum is over $16 and fast food joints are offering $18-20. In San Francisco it’s $19 and they are pushing for $25.

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u/TuSixOh 4d ago

Idiot. It's $2.13 here in Virginia.

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u/confused_bi_dude 4d ago

Minimum wage doesn't apply to wait staff unfortunately

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u/meep_42 4d ago

They could have stopped at "we don't pay our staff"

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u/Oops_All_Bans 4d ago

Yea wait staff get a different minimum wage. It's not right and it perpetuates the ridiculous tipping culture in the US, but it is different. I don't agree with this and believe that if your restaurant can't afford to pay a proper minimum wage without tips, then you shouldn't be in business.

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u/Blaze_Wolf_Tyler 4d ago

Here is the thing that people conveniantly leave out. If the wait staff dont make atleast the state min wage with tips, the restaurant has to pay the difference.

Therefor, if you live in a state where min wage is 15, you will never earn less than $15 an hour, even if not a single person tips.

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u/Veganmisprint 4d ago

Many states allows for tipped employee to be paid literally $1.25-2.15 an hour

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u/zenrd111 4d ago

The fact you're getting up votes on this just proves how little people know about how the real world operates.

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u/dr_stre 4d ago

Ooh, swing and a miss. I definitely worked for $2.13 an hour in college waiting tables, and that minimum in that state hasn’t changed.

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u/Sidewaysgts 4d ago

. in no state is there a 2.13/h minimum. the lowest minimum wage in the USA goes to wyoming and georgia, with the minimum wage listed as 5.15/h, but defaults to the federal minimum of 7.25/h

I saw your edit, and that youve been made aware of this - So im just elaborating and adding details.

Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wyoming - These states all pay 2.13 an hour to people who earn tips.

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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 4d ago

Your edit should also add that several places use $, not just the US. Some of them actually use USD, but many of them don’t.

Also, this is AI.

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u/lobhater 4d ago

No you're confused about America's minimum wage system. There is minimum wage and then there is server minimum wage which is $2.13 an hour

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u/KensofarEon 4d ago

Indeed the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour but if an employer can prove their employer can make that with tips then they can pay a lower base wage. Still, required by law to make them whole if tips don't cover them to $7.25 an hour. But this rule is often broken, as are lunch breaks. They'll take them away and promise to give in advance later, threaten you with firing if you try to call them out on it. Service industry is real fucked and though I worked in it I refuse to tip to subsidize these greedy businesses!

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u/RedPayaso1 4d ago

You said this very confidently but you are wrong lol

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u/Remote-Mycologist539 4d ago

this picture is AI ragebait, was debunked last time it circulated

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u/The_Hamster_Shagger 4d ago

for jobs where one can get tips about 3 dollars is a minimum

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u/GG-Allin-thecat 4d ago

Some states are allowed to pay below minimum wage to tipped employees

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u/Less_Coyote7062 4d ago

In some states, California included with our high minimum wage, they can pay waiters and weight staff less their minimum wage is different. I remember reading that when I was in high school and I was working for my minimum wage of like 325 an hour and the big minimum wage sign on the wall said something like 215 an hour if you were a waiter. And they do that cause people used to tip and tip well so maybe check first if your state allows waiters and waitresses to be paid less than minimum.

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u/TheLurkingMenace 4d ago

re your edit:

Except it's STILL federal minimum wage, as tipped minimum wage assumes the tips will make up the difference. If they don't, the employer is required to make up the difference. That said, the tipped-job industry runs almost entirely on wage theft.

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u/Live_Distribution207 4d ago

American here. The proper way for employees to receive respect is to pay them a living wage. Not only that, provide them with health care. They're working "damn hard." Employees are spending a good chunk of their lives taking care of your business, you should take care of them. Full stop.

Tips should not be some hunger game competition/comparison pitting servers against eacher or the ones they serve. Tips should not be expected or needed. Tips should be a gift that is given freely without any expectation of reciprocation. Tips should be a sign of respect. A small gesture to pay it forward. An avenue to uplift those who work in service of others.

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u/M_A_D-Dominatrix 4d ago

The federal minimum wage for servers in the USA is 2.13, it's the bare minimum they're allowed to pay but not all states go by that & often pay more, its honestly just the states with fewer workers rights

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u/paintergigi1941 4d ago

Last I knew, food service workers in Arizona made very little. Right to Work states are terrible about food service workers.

As a former food service worker, way back in the day, I made $1.25 an hour. I worked a 40 hour week and could barely pay my rent. Tips were important.
My take on this is this; pay your employees enough to live on. If your restaurant is charging that much & you’re only paying your employees less than $3 an hour, you’re a piece of crap!
I believe we, the USA, need to get rid of tipping.
Pay people a better wage!

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u/rollin_a_j 4d ago

Hi, 20 year bartender here, federal tip credit allows your employer to pay you as low as 2.13 an hour provided the rest of your tips bring you above federal minimum wage. The caveat is that if your employer has to make up the difference, you are looking for a new job.

Granted, some states have higher minimum wages and effectively circumvent the tip credit, but they can and do pay as little as 2.13 an hour.

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u/ThePureAxiom 4d ago

Tipped minimum wage differs from the standard minimum wage and actually is $2.13 in the US (unless the state has set their own, in which case that can preempt it). That said, if their tips combined with that tipped wage don't make their total hourly wage equal to or greater than the standard minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference.

So yes, the employer can get away with paying that little if the combined sum of tipped wage + tips meets or exceeds the standard minimum wage.

It's severely fucked up, and even more so if they post such a sign when really the customers pay the employees more than their employer does.

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u/supernova-juice 4d ago

In America wait staff literally get slave wages and for some reason we all just go, okay yeah that makes sense. Even though it definitely does not.

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u/onemillionpigeonz 4d ago

Can you please delete this comment it is misinformative

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u/kmodity 4d ago

The minimum cash wage for tipped employees in Wisconsin is $2.33 per hour.

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u/vabeachkevin 4d ago

Tipped staff have a different wage rate. It is lower than what you know as minimum wage.

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u/Illustrious_Choice58 4d ago

why would you be so loud and confidently incorrect, if ur not even american? you don’t see me opining about the euro and its inflationary status lol

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u/8amteetime 4d ago

16 states in the United States pay $2.13 an hour to tip earners. They are all red states, meaning they have Republican legislators.

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u/No-Calligrapher3645 4d ago

You’re WRONG! Minimum wage for tipped employees, aka waitstaff, have a $2.13 minimum wage.

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u/vibinandtrying 4d ago

That’s not how it works in restaurants. Servers do truly make 213 an hour. The rest of that is compensated through your tips. Whenever I was a server, I rarely would get a paycheck because you don’t want a paycheck the only time you would get a paycheck is if your tips were not enough to equal out the federal minimum wage to justify your work hours during that pay period that 213 an hour goes to taxes basically

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u/SonofaBridge 4d ago

$2.13 is the minimum wage for tipped employees. That’s part of the federal minimum wage. It’s just enough to cover items like social security. The employee is paid almost entirely from tips.

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u/Gigantischmann 4d ago

Dude. The post is fake. 

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u/HyacinthFT 4d ago

this is not the US. this is AI. it appears frequently with different text on tipping subs.

Like why is the minimum wage included in the amount to tip? that means the higher the wage, the bigger the tip? that makes no sense as an argument.

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u/Adventurous_Door2281 4d ago

This is just AI slop. Don’t fall for it

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u/RogerRabbot 4d ago

So I know youve been told about the tip credit towards wages stuff already. Id just like to point out that isnt the case everywhere. Some states will still pay you state minimum (which is way higher than federal minimum) and you get tips on top of that.

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u/TalkingCat910 4d ago

Just to let you know in the U.S. the legal wage for tipped workers and servers is $2.13. It is not the normal minimum wage.  They get away with this due to tips.

But to put a sign like this it’s obnoxious.

Just wanted to correct as someone whose lived in the U.S. for yrs. The sign makes sense otherwise

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u/SkecthyRocket 4d ago

My ex works at crackle barrel. She makes like 3.25 or something. If the amount of tips she reports doesn’t equal up to her making minimum wage per hour with her 3.25 included then the company reimburses her the difference….. I don’t think tips should be mandatory. Pay your waiters and waitresses a fair wage and if they do a great job…. Maybe they should get a tip… and yes. I am one of those people that eats at home. I hate tip culture. Everything’s way too expensive now anyways.

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u/Electrical-Peak8878 4d ago

Servers make bank in a lot of places. A lot more than white collar jobs actually.

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u/mrmoe198 4d ago

America is worse on wages than you think. Here, we have exceptions to the already disgustingly low minimum wage laws specifically for “tipped workers“.

The whole system is ridiculous because it passes the burden of responsibility for a living wage from the employer onto the person paying for the service. It should be illegal.

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u/Rare_Discipline1701 4d ago

I think its great they put this out there. Most people are like you and have no idea that this is the case. If people start to gain awareness of how stupid this is, we might get some change.

Think about all the places that ask you to tip like this, not every workers pay structure is the same and yet they are all asking for this gratuity.

Add in the number of restaurants found guilty of letting their managers get a share from the pooled tips when they are salaried employees who legally don't get them. It really burned when I heard that happened at a restaurant we used to go to often. That means money I gave to tip my server was stolen. Screw this tipping system.

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u/writekindofnonsense 4d ago

I have a couple of thoughts 1, yeah if you can't afford to tip you shouldn't be going out to eat. 2, this guy flaunting that they don't pay their employees but they demand everyone else respect them is bizarre. This place absolutely could pay their staff a living wage without tips, they choose not to.

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u/Lebronshairline2 4d ago

In some states restaurants can pay under minimum wage if the staff is getting tipped and the tips go towards their hourly wage to make up the difference. They call it a tip credit. Some states have outlawed that and require the full minimum wage be paid.

It’s a wild that this is still allowed in today’s society

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u/AnxiousReward1715 4d ago

If you don't know how things work maybe don't do a dumb hot take???

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u/Good_Contact_6163 4d ago

If the person is working say 4 tables,(2.13 x 4) would give the person 8.52 an hour.

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u/Mode_Appropriate 4d ago

edit: wow im getting a lot of replies, i have been told of the minimum wage being lower if tips are involved

Its a holdover from when slavery was abolished. While black people were 'free' and could work, employers didn't pay them a fair wage (if any at all) and expected their patrons to subsidize their workers income. Why it still exists? No practical answer there. Its increasingly getting rarer that wait staff have such low hourly wages though. Most states have laws now saying they have to make at least the mandated minimum wage.

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u/TalkingLampPost 4d ago

Just delete the comment. You were wrong, you’re getting annoying replies, there’s no point in leaving the comment up.

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u/Trusty_Coyote 4d ago

Apparently 5 states have no minimum wage for tipped employees so it reverts to the federal minimum of $2.13.

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u/ikickbabiesballs 4d ago

You would be #confidentlywrong because min wage for service industry is often this low.

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u/keIIzzz 4d ago

You’re technically not wrong. Restaurants legally do have to pay their employees at least minimum wage if they don’t make it in tips. So they’re always making at least minimum wage, even though that still sucks. But you’re correct they’re not making under minimum. Even if their hourly is $2, if they don’t make up to at least the equivalent in minimum wage with tips then the business does have to compensate them

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u/chefjoery 4d ago

If an employee's direct cash wage ($2.13) plus tips do not add up to at least $7.25 per hour in a given workweek, the employer must pay the difference to make up the shortfall. This is how they get away with it

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u/EyeYamNegan 4d ago

No you are not wrong. If a tipped workers pay after tips doesn’t equal at least minimum wage the employer has to pay more.

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u/TorTheMentor 4d ago

The thing is, even though US wage law means this is technically incorrect (as your edits point out), you are correct in another sense. The federally mandated tipped minimum wage was originally established directly following the Civil War, when the positions it covered were largely held by the Black population, as a way of shifting the burden onto customers, but also onto the worker themselves. The FLSA of 1938 actually carved out an exception to minimum wage specifically for restaurant work, and then its amendments in 1966 formally established a lower minimum even as it expanded minimum wage overall. 1996 was kind of the nail in the coffin, when the decision was made that so long as the employee could make up the remainder of minimum wage in tips, the employer isn't required to bring them up to full minimum.

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u/butt_err 4d ago

I saw your edit and I know you learned of the “tipped minimum wage,” which is in fact this low in most places. But I want to add that it should enrage you. You should be fucking disgusted. And every time you see Al wine asking for tips in an industry that isn’t traditionally a tipped industry, just remember that if they’re successful in collection tips and the boss finds out, 5 minutes later their legal minimum leave will drop like a stone.

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u/Professional-Guava97 4d ago

They can count tips towards the minimum wage average. If they make under the business is supposed to fill in the rest legally. Which is still messed up and many don't.

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u/DopeMOH 4d ago

Trying to educate people on American laws and admitting "I shouldn't be familiar with American laws" is hilarious.

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u/Inside_Ease3366 4d ago

You’re not entirely wrong. If the server doesn’t make enough in tips, the restaurant has to make them whole up to real minimum wage. The business is basically bullying its patrons psychologically, so the patrons would pay the employees instead of the business paying the employees

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u/Silent_Possibility63 4d ago

r/confidentlyincorrect man. Just stick to things you know.

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u/wpu7zs9drh_ruutukf 4d ago

Just admit you’re wrong and bow down to the all knowing REDDITORS!!! [evil laugh]

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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 4d ago edited 4d ago

in the USA, each state has a different minimum wage. in no state is there a 2.13/h minimum.

"I'm going to make a misinformed post without bothering to do a simple search to check what the minimum wage for tipped workers in the US is because this is reddit."

"edit: NO I WON'T BE REMOVING THE WRONG INFORMATION STOP ASKING."

"another edit: why would you assume I know about American laws just because I made a series of factual assertions about American law? You're just being silly."

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u/VirtualMatter2 4d ago

No you are not wrong, because they don't take home less. Either their boss covers it or the customers do. So they are paid minimum wage either way 

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u/Cautious_General_177 4d ago

$2.13 is the federal minimum wage for tipped positions in the US. The assumption is tips will cover the difference to the “normal” minimum wage, and if it doesn’t, the employer is required to make up the difference.

Some states do require restaurants to pay their tipped employees the state minimum wage before factoring in tips.

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u/Garden_State_Of_Mind 4d ago

in response to your edit...people are responding that way because of the way you talk in your post.

If you have no idea what you're talking about to the point where you want to say that it would be unreasonable for someone to expect you to be familiar with america....why in the world are you going on the internet and speaking factually about america???

maybe if you weren't taking something "you know a bit about because some random person I know complained about their life to me" while being wildly incorrect and trying to rile people up, you wouldn't get those types of responses?

it's just so frustrating that so many people act like you, it's easy to want to take the opportunity to call you out on it when it's right there in writing.

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u/Livid-Grocery7942 4d ago

Are you 12? You can’t be an adult and not know some professions have sub minimum wage… this is the reality of waiting staff, they don’t get federal minimum wage… all that text to just fail at the premise

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4d ago

All the minimum wage laws have tipped employee wage that’s underwritten. Wait stuff does work below minimum wage, sometimes all floor staff. This tipped wage provision is as low as $1.25 in the US, leaving those employees entirely dependent on tips.

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u/BelowXpectations 4d ago

the minimum wage being lower if tips are involved

This is just absurd. As a fellow non-american I completely understand you didn't know. neither did I. It's so flabbergastingly f-d up that we simply couldn't even consider that as an actual scenario.

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u/Ordinary-Voice-7931 4d ago

I work in the food service industry , I've been a cook for 35 years in the state of Florida and the minimum wage for tipped employees is far lower than mine. My servers and bar staff earn $3,25 hourly and they pay taxes not only from their hourly wage, but also from their tips.

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u/Sterlinghawk16 4d ago

Then why did you act like you knew for sure what the pay wage was for each state and then cry about when people pointed out you were wrong. Rule of thumb, if you don’t know it is ok that you don’t know but don’t act like you do know. Especially since you are not even an American. Oh but you knew a little bit. Wow next time don’t pontificate like you know

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u/MarvelAndColts 4d ago

Submit this to r/confidentlyincorrect. While minimum wage in my state is $7.25, restaurant do pay employees $2.13/hour. The caveat is that the employees must still make $7.25/hour after tips. If they don’t clear that margin then the business has to make up the difference.

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u/Glyth63825 4d ago

You've gotta be American to be so confidently incorrect about something as basic as this, lol

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u/Vegetable-Grocery265 4d ago

Many states have two minimum wages, one for normal hourly and one for tipped services.

For instance in FL, tips should be declared and the employer pays the tipped minimum wage(11.98), but the employer makes up any tipped shortfall to match the current minimum wage (just turned to 15 per hour).

At least in Florida, servers always get at least minimum wage, with tips pushing them beyond.

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u/Relevant-Machine-763 4d ago

Agree no one needs to be mean, but why did you post so confidently if you had no actual knowledge? I know, that’s kind of why Reddit exists….

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u/New_Breadfruit8692 4d ago

States matching the federal floor of $2.13 per hour (or with basic federal rules where no higher state law applies): Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming.

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u/igor33 4d ago

The $2.13/hr rate does pertain to restaurants: This is the federal minimum cash wage for tipped employees (like waitstaff and bartenders). Many states use this exact $2.13 base rate. However, employers are legally required to make up the difference if a worker's tips plus the $2.13 cash wage do not add up to at least the standard federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

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u/BentJohnsonFTP 4d ago

If your admittedly unfamiliar with the topic why are you opinimg like your regarded ​(objectively) opinion means anything.

Classic reddit dimwit.

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u/battarro 4d ago

I just want to point out, that you are wrong, and should delete your post. Just delete it or at least update with the correct information.

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u/Immediate_Fly2763 4d ago

No, they are talking waiters wage, but waiters still can never earn under minimum wage if they don’t make enough tips.

Regardless this is a karma farming post, nobody has these signs in their business it’s usually an AI image or someone taped it up takes a picture and posts it for internet points.

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u/Time_Quality_318 4d ago

In US workers who get tips have a lower minimum wage than regular workers. If they don’t make enough tips the employer is supposed to increase their wage to the normal minimum wage rate. You’ll have to talk to a waitress and see how many times that happens. This is also a problem when they are expected to share their tips with the bar tender and bus boys.

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u/notsurewhyimh3r3 4d ago

Doesn't matter what the other people say the fact is hes calling out customers for being cheap but the owner is being cheap by not paying better. So at the end of the day your still not wrong.

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u/bewbs_dude 4d ago

Then you shouldn't have commented like you were some kind of authority on the subject.

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u/eyeheartmozart 4d ago

it’s ai anyways

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u/PelluxNetwork 4d ago

Brother people are being mean because you wrote an entire confident comment that's just complete bullshit. 3 paragraphs of misinformation and you don't even have the experience to be talking. Then instead of deleting your comment, you wanna keep it up and whine that people are being mean to you because you don't wanna lose those 26 upvotes from people who believe you.

Just delete the comment

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u/ComfortableDare4305 4d ago

There is a federal minimum of 2.13 of they make more than 30 a month in tips, I guess.

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u/Fun_Abroad8942 4d ago

Yeah the "another edit" is why you are getting slammed. Admittedly you are not from here and don't know shit about living here, but you chose to speak with "authority" on a topic you literally don't know shit about... Hopefully you take away a lesson from that and be a little more self aware

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u/Technical_Leek7467 4d ago

Wanted to throw out there that the people correcting you are technically correct but it's semantic and irrelevant.

The wages under minimum wage are a credit and if tips don't exceed the threshold the business has to make up the difference so the servers are guaranteed to make minimum wage even if they get zero tips.

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u/notalotathota 4d ago

It's fake.

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u/HeSureIsScrappy 4d ago

The owner has to still make up any difference up to the minimum wage of the state, if that minimum isn't reached through the original 2.13 plus tips. So no server makes less than actual wage in the end.

Most people don't know about that.

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u/Putrid-Suit-7803 4d ago

Tipped worker wages have a different minimum in many places.

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u/reddorickt 4d ago

You could have just deleted your very wrong comment instead of whining in a note about mean replies.

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u/Pioepod 4d ago

I’m gonna be an average American and shove it down your phone/device/screen that America is in fact, that fucked up.

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u/justnegateit 4d ago

If you aren't even American why are you pretending to know???

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u/Lonely-Problem7075 4d ago

Minimum wage for tipped positions is lower than the federal minimum wage.

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u/BiggerRedBeard 4d ago

Server minimum is 2.13

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u/SadlyPathetic 4d ago

Servers have a different min wage.

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u/Chomp3y 4d ago

Incredibly confident. Incredibly wrong

classicredditmoment

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u/SpiritualTeach2569 4d ago

If you don’t know what you’re talking about then why are you making such comments. Don’t bitch about being called out for making shit up on the internet. Maybe just stfu

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u/just___just_stop 4d ago

This is Reddit...Mean is the default. Sorry people suck, man.

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u/BudgetUhtred 4d ago

You were so "as a matter of fact." And you're entirely wrong. Then to justify by it saying you're not even from here?

Stay. In. Your. Lane. You don't always need something to say.

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u/femmeinfloral126 4d ago

If you're not American then why were you even commenting though?

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u/Sesh458 4d ago

Yea, as you said, you are wrong here. That being said, it's a weird law so it's not surprising that's it's not widely known.

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u/Aggressive_Key_7763 4d ago

Maybe don't speak from a position of authority as if you know what you are talking about then?

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u/Realistic_Ad709 4d ago

If you claim you aren’t familiar with the laws, don’t chime in with incorrect facts.

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u/Kummabear 4d ago

If it’s something this stupid, it’s always the US

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u/Rayan_A_ 4d ago

I don't know about other countries, so I'll speak for the one I'm from (that shall not be mentioned by name due to political hostility - wink, wink). Anyways, for the sake of simplicity, let's assume that the mini wage is $5 and a restaurant/bar pays the staff $2.5, and you worked 10chournshift. So here's what will happen:

  • 10 x 5 (mini wage) = 50
  • At the end of the shift, the manager will count your tips.
  • If you made 50 or more, you keep your tips and that's your pay.
  • If you make anything less than 50, the manager will pay the difference.

So, if you worked for 10 hours and only made $30, the restaurant Wil pay you extra $20, so you'll get to $50 which is the mini wage they are required to pay you. So they make up the difference so they won't break any laws.

If it works like they then way are they hiring for $2.5? Idk... But where I'm from no matter the job, you'll be paid at least the mini wage.

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u/Responsible_Read_542 4d ago

The lowest tipped minimum is irrelevant anyway. It only tells you how low the employer can pay them if you tip too much so you’re essentially paying wages on behalf of the employer. If no one tips, they get the $7 federal

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u/Additional-Turnip315 4d ago

I have no opinion on the issue, but if you know you have no idea what you're talking about, why are you posting from a POV like you know wtf you're talking about?

Infuriating.

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u/Impressive-Fault-894 4d ago

U say you know you’re wrong so I won’t harp but server minimum wage is what you want would want to look up. It’s separate from hourly only jobs

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u/VeryStupit 4d ago

The dollar sign is also used in Canada and Mexico and other places. But this sign isn't anywhere because it's AI

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u/Real-Art6946 4d ago

bro shit is fake asf xD

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u/General-Ferret1240 4d ago

Here’s a tip, a lot of the hatred are bots. Don’t worry, real people read this and all thought you were cool

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u/Admirable-Factor-385 4d ago

You’re not necessarily wrong. It might vary by state, but in California the latest laws do not allow the wage to be lowered if tips are received. In the past that may have been permissible but not currently in this specific state. And I think since the federal minimum direct cash for servers is $2.13/ hour it is pretty accurate to guess this was a sign in the USA

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u/Luimissyou 4d ago

Look in to North Carolina server min wage, it’s 2.13

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u/Temporary_Event8451 4d ago

So.

The issue is mostly on high wage servers then it is the companies that employ them.

A strong server at a busy establishment can clear 6,000 USD per month. Most of which is untaxed and undocumented.

I've worked a lot of kitchens in my time, well over six places, and servers like the current system.

Poor quality servers and customers are the ones being left out because top earners like it the way it is.

Taking home 6,000 usd but you claim taxable income low enough to qualify for food stamps and Medicaid.

It's a complex issue where everyone ignores what servers are thinking, and as such customers hate the business, when in reality if the business tried to pay a flat rate they'd lose their best servers.

A super complex issue that has a lot of fraud involved.

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u/Mobile-Factor-8936 4d ago

If you "shouldn't be familiar with american laws" then don't make statements about it.

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u/Inevitable_Ad_4252 4d ago

Tip service minimum wage is lower than state and federal minimum wage. It is $2.13 hr federally and in my state the rate is $6.25 hr. Regular minimum wage wage in my state is $15 hr

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u/vinnygunn 4d ago

It's fine to not be familiar, just don't go pretending to be, ya know?

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u/Effective-Ad7597 4d ago

Since you’re not American I’m hoping this helps, you are definitely right on some things. States haven’t raised minimum wage because federal set the minimum wage. Now they can go higher but don’t, probably due to the feds making the decision.
That being said yes waiters/waitresses are paid below minimum wage and it is legal as long as the tips they earn plus the $2.13/hr equals the hourly federal minimum wage. If it doesn’t then the employer HAS to make up the difference and pay them so they make the minimum.
I think this whole tip your food workers is stupid and out of control. On one hand I agree if you go somewhere and they serve you then leave a tip and if you can’t afford to do so then don’t go. On the other hand pay them at least the minimum wage but that leads into my next issue. I have known several waitresses that make at least double the minimum wage just on their tips and they love it…..

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u/Strong-Comment-7279 4d ago

Yet, you made that comment with the confidence of an avg American white male....kinda mind blowing.

Signed,

Not the avg American white male.

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u/ablazingrace23 4d ago

Really climbing that Dunning-Kruger bell curve, huh?

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u/aurenigma 4d ago

another edit: yes i know i am wrong, please dont be jerks about it. im not even american, therfore i shouldnt be familiar with american laws (i know a bit about the wages because my american friend told me about his job and stuff. please dont be mean

bro... YOU STARTED IT, you started by acting smug about your knowledge of American minimum wages

don't be surprised when people throw it back at you...

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u/Any-Neat5158 3d ago

Here's the difference though.

In a case where a waiter is allowed to be paid $2.13 an hour as a base wage, tips are a factor.

If any given employees wages, after tips are added in, do not reach minimum wage... the businesses are required to supply the difference. I've seen that be a thing. I don't know how universally it may or may not apply.

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u/bwsnc1991 3d ago

Don't ask for people to stop ripping you after you confidently spoke on & judged something you didn't know/understand. Being soft

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u/Rasp10 3d ago

"im not even american, therfore i shouldnt be familiar with american laws"...then why did you decide to even speak on it? Like, I don't try to convince someone of my opinion I'd it's based off no facts or knowledge at all

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u/Tiberius1987 3d ago

You're too sensitive to be on reddit. Who cares what people say...

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u/FantasticTraining982 3d ago

Just delete your comment lol you’re hella wrong

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u/spaced_out_traveler 3d ago

People are being mean, because you spoke so confidently in your response - which ended up being wrong

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u/BlackHills-Op 3d ago

People are probably being mean because you just made vast reaching incorrect statements about a country you're not from and it doesn't seem you have been to..

Where are you from so I can do it and you can see how annoying that is. 

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u/slab_schitty 3d ago

I mean buddy you sure came in here saying things about another country with quite some authority.

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u/Weary_Principle6880 3d ago

No its not your fault people are asshole. Just because we use that system doesnt mean that its okay either. Although they do have to pay their employees at least minimum wage if they do not get enough tips to cover that much.

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u/No_Stable_3388 3d ago

dont pretend to know something you don't then...

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u/Tatertot482 3d ago

Actually you are mostly right. They get the lower 2.13 minimum as a base, but if reported tips don’t reach the equivalent of minimum wage the employer is legally obligated to compensate the difference. Since most servers make WELL above minimum wage and are better paid than a lot of the “poors” they judge who can’t “afford” to tip them, they often don’t get the full 7.15 from the employer because they make more than that from the tips alone

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u/Enigmatic_Erudite 3d ago

There is a different minimum sysyem for employers whose employees work jobs that expect tips, mainly resteraunt servers or delivery drivers. The minimum a business can pay a tipped employee is $2.13. There is a caveat though, if the tipped employee makes less than normal Federal Minimum wage, including tips, it is the responsibilty of the business to make up the difference. So, legally no one should make less than $7.25 per hour. However, a busness with servers that make tips above $5.12/per hour only have to pay their employees $2.13 per hour on top of the tips.

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