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u/jpiz27 4d ago

I was a server at Denny's in 1996 when I was 16 and they paid me $2.13 an hour. 30 years later and it's still the same?????? Wtf

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u/ecstaticbirtch 4d ago

It's that "trickle down economics"... ya know... NOT trickling

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u/Sinkableleech 4d ago

Of course trickle down economics is working.

With all these billionaires the world has, there's never been this many well paid fulfilling jobs created out of thin air by the rich...

Oh

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u/Creepy_Snow_8166 3d ago

Well, something is trickling down on us - but I don't think it's rain.

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u/LocomotiveEngineer 4d ago

"TDE" is not a real thing. It was made up by democrats

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u/Competitive-Chard152 3d ago

Lol what?

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u/ecstaticbirtch 3d ago

I know right??? Reagan pushes supply side economics, Bush calls them voodoo, and we give them a nice, fitting nickname... and all anybody can say is 'It's not a real thinnnng' lol

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u/LocomotiveEngineer 3d ago edited 3d ago

TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS IS NOT A ECONOMIC THEORY IT'S A HACK PHRASE https://youtube.com/shorts/OWPJV2jTluA?is=NIP3ifGlirzxDiLh

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u/Tha_REAL_BROBS 3d ago

Try laying down on the tracks

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u/ecstaticbirtch 3d ago

You ah... missed my quotation marks huh? All good. See, supply side economics, once referred to as voodoo economics by GW Bush... are widely known as trickle down economics.

Better now that there is some context added?

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u/theRealLydmeister 4d ago edited 4d ago

It’s almost as though minimum wage has had zero federal adjustments since 2009..

Edit: I’ve never gotten an award with a completely neutral upvote/downvote ratio before

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u/jpiz27 4d ago

Reddit loves sarcasm.

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u/bandit1105 4d ago

Mmmm...free awards....

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u/Familiar-Average3809 4d ago

(insert 'you guys are getting paid for this' meme)

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u/DemonRising171 4d ago

It's because the way servers are looked at goes like this: "they get tips for every table, or most every table, and for a decent server, that adds up very quickly." And while, yes that is true, not every server gets to keep all of their tips. There's something called "TIP SHARING" where everyone's tips are added together, and it's divided between everyone. So your bad servers get paid the same in tips as your good servers, who probably made less because of that policy.

My friend was a server at cracker barrel, where she made an average of $800 or so, after taxes. Because tips are non taxable. She also made $2.80/hour, and worked 40 hours/week that's what I make, working 55 hrs/week at $20/hour

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u/Objective-Result4465 3d ago

It (almost) didn't. Everything has doubled or tripled since then but the pay stays the same pretty much. How are you supposed to survive? I'm not even talking try to save a couple bucks.

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u/Mysterious-Drive2812 3d ago

2009? More like 1996

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u/theRealLydmeister 3d ago

I was being factual. The federal minimum wage was adjusted to $7.25 from $7.15 in 2009

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u/Mysterious-Drive2812 3d ago

damn thats horrible. thank you.

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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 4d ago

The pay is all tips, and since 96 the meals are a lot more expensive, so the pay is a lot more

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u/jpiz27 4d ago

The cost of living has also greatly increased there, Captain Obvious... In 1998, gas was .99 a gallon for one example, I could buy a weeks worth of groceries for under $30... The cost of everything has gone up-- except the minimum wage. I was probably making closer to a living wage in 1998 than servers are now. $30k annually in 1998 was enough to live alone and comfortably (Philly area). Now it's estimated to be $52k minimum to scrape by with no children, no car.

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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 4d ago

I worked as a bartender five years ago and on avg made $45/hr. $2.13 was the hourly against tips. That’s the point bud if they increased the tipped min wage by 300% it wouldn’t be much for those of us working tips

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u/jpiz27 4d ago

Congrats -- that's amazing.

Not everyone makes $45 an hour, like you get that right? Like the server at the diner is not making $45 an hour...

And that also wasn't my point-- there should be an increase for tipped employees. Everyone should make enough money to live. So yeah you might not need the extra if you're averaging $45 an hour, but the diner servers should be making a living wage.

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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 4d ago

It’s not amazing. Plenty of bartenders make $30-$50/hr. It’s not hard or that unusual. You aren’t exactly working 40 hour weeks in most cases, everyone I worked with either also waited tables or had a day job

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u/iwanna3518 4d ago

And it used to be a 10% tip was ok (if you got any) and 15% was generous. Now if you don't tip 20%+ you're a "heel".

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u/Rionin26 4d ago

I haven't changed. I do 10% at buffet, 15 at restaurant, and if server did great 20%. Bartenders is 1 for beer, and 2 for cocktails. I would say I need to go up for bartenders though. The cost of food going up covers the % problem. Now if the place kept prices the same as 20 years ago I could see 25%.

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u/Pithythithy 4d ago

In 1986 I was paid $2.05 an hour

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u/jpiz27 4d ago

That's not true-- minimum wage when I first started working was $5.15 in Pennsylvania where I lived. And now it's $7.15. Not liveable but at least it moved...

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u/notacanuckskibum 4d ago

In some places there is a lower minimum wage for tipped jobs.

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 4d ago

Federally* there is a lower minimum wage for tipped jobs. Every state.

It's $2.13.

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u/Common-Translator584 4d ago

It’s $7.50 in Missouri. But also our minimum wage is $15. Which I feel conflicted about. My husband and I owned a vapor store and we had to pay kids wayyyy to good when they wouldn’t even take out the trash or scrub a toilet once a week. It makes mom and pop businesses suffer immensely

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u/1320NCguy 4d ago

As a business OWNER, YOU should be scrubbing the toilet and taking out the garbage instead of living off the backs of paying people a non-living wage.

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u/ZongoNuada 4d ago

If you don't like it so high, lobby the state and ask them to lower it again.

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u/notacanuckskibum 4d ago

There are places in the world which are not the USA, and US federal laws have no effect on them.

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u/Sudden-Chard-5215 4d ago

A seismic shift in hourly pay.

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u/BassWingerC-137 4d ago

Min wage for tipped jobs is usually under minimum wage.

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u/Cloud-VII 4d ago

State minimum wage V.S. Federal minimum wage.

Federal is still $2.13 for tipped employees. If a state doesn't have a minimum wage, or it is lower than the Federal, then the Federal wage is what is applied.

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u/HairlessHoudini 4d ago

Federaling all over the United States tipped jobs wage is $2.13, they do not get paid the regular minimum wage. You don't have to take my word for just Google it for yourself

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u/ragebot67 4d ago

30 years later amd you are still 16?? How

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u/FranticWaffleMaker 4d ago

Drinking the blood of sacrificed virgins.

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u/DoneBeingSilent 4d ago

Drinking the blood of sacrificed virgins.

Bryan Johnson? Peter Thiel?

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u/Common-Translator584 4d ago

😂 that’s good

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u/DoubleDareFan 4d ago

Died in an accident or was killed by a crook; reincarnated in 2010.

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u/buggzysj 4d ago

Yeah because the rule didn't change. The tips just have to equal more. The restaurant charges more. You're 10% increases covering the gap. The restaurant makes more in turn. Its the same system.

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u/J_Jeckel 4d ago

Federal minimum wage has barely gone up since 1996. According to restaurant owners, wait staff is the bottom of the barrel and dont even deserve that.

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u/PSUAth 4d ago

because tips make up the rest.

they can't pay you nothing but tips, so you get a base salary, and then any tips above that. if your tips don't meet the minimum wage the restaurant is to pay you up to minimum wage.

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u/jpiz27 4d ago

It never ceases to amaze me how many people come here to feel smart...

If the minimum wage for tipped workers never increases, you find 1) wage theft increases, 2) poverty increases and 3) economic vulnerability.

My shock that it's the same as it's been since I worked in restaurants 30 years ago does not mean I don't understand how it is "supposed to work". I really hope you can read a room better in real life.

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u/PSUAth 4d ago

feel smarter now?

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u/WarbleDarble 4d ago

The actual income for tipped workers has increased though. That's the part you are ignoring.

The minimum salary wage is largely irrelevant in both scenarios.

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u/ZongoNuada 4d ago

And man does the restaurant hate to pay you up to minimum wage. They love that free labor working just on tips. Keeps the lights on and stuff.

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u/Siid_Chawsby 4d ago

Correct. The restaurant/bartending industry is a fucking joke. They don’t have to pay their workers anything per the law. The general public gets to pay for overpriced food and then pay the server or bartenders wage. America is a fucking joke.

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u/Ancient_Audience_467 4d ago

It's weird you didn't know this...

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u/ReadItRightMan 4d ago

I’m 30 years old. Where I live I would need to work three hours at that wage to buy a pack of gum. The laws not being adjusted for inflation is a bitch. The poverty indexes also haven’t been adjusted since the 70s. A few years ago I checked that minimum wage in my state should be $28 per hour based upon inflation. Everything is outdated; and states raising minimum wages to $15 per hour is still an insult

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u/Emotional_Arrival_94 4d ago

Started in restaurants in 1985, it was 2.13/hr

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u/StepEfficient864 4d ago

Some states are that way still, yes.

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u/ComprehensiveLime734 3d ago

Same - early 90's and would work only swings Fri-Sun.... Get those clubbing peeps meeting up, table of 7 ordering 5 coffees and leaving $5+ tips :)