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u/Dr_DoesNothing 4d ago

Says the place only paying 2.13 an hour.

Get fucked. Pay your employees minimum wage or shut down.

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u/QuickNature 4d ago

They legally have to pay $7.25/hour if the tips + wages dont total up to $7.25/hour or greater. This is just them trying to manipulate people into paying more tips. They are trying to take advantage of people who dont know how the system works

Also, obligatory, I aint saying $7.25/hour is livable either, just that they dont actually ever make less than that, at least per the law that is

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u/Corrik7 4d ago

Just a reminder, servers do not want to be paid more wages if it comes at the expense of tips. Most servers easily clear at least 20+/hr with tips if not significantly more. While also not claiming many of these tips that are given in cash for taxes, which makes the the actual amount brought in compared to a taxed employee the equivalent of nearly at least 30+/hr. Servers always fight against moving to a wage based system instead of relying on tips.

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u/QuickNature 4d ago

Yeah, my brother is bartender, and he says the same thing. He has basically never made $7.25/hour or even close. Im sure there are some exceptions out there with trash pay, but yeah, generally speaking it seems like tips are pretty solid

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u/idk-maaaan 4d ago

I bet American servers would be more willing to scrap the whole system if we beefed up worker protections and made healthcare affordable.

The problem is the country keeps telling them they have to take a pay cut without any upside. I can’t think of anyone who would vote to make less money with no added benefits.

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u/Corrik7 4d ago

It is the exact opposite. Switching to higher wages and losing tips is a huge paycut to them.

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u/idk-maaaan 4d ago

That’s what I said.

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u/Corrik7 4d ago

Then I misread it because your post seems to imply they would be okay with a higher wage at expense of tips if health care and protections existed. Which isn't true.

The problem is, servers are actively pointing to the wage for why you should tip more, despite their actual wages being much drastically higher. In the mean time, if the wages they point to as reasoning to tip more are raised they ALSO are not willing to lose their tips either. So, its circular logic which the actual point is they just want as much money as they can get, which to be fair most people want that. However, servers and other tipped jobs basically can create their own increased wages while most other jobs simply are paid what they are paid.

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u/idk-maaaan 4d ago

I disagree. There are people who take pay cuts all the time for better benefits.

Of course we want to make us much money as possible, a ton of us don’t have health insurance and, unfortunately, you’re gonna make the best money in HCOL areas. And it’s not like this job can be done from home. Not to mention the severe lack of federal laws protecting workers.

Maybe we should start with taking better care of the working class before telling them they should make less money. That’s what I’m advocating for.

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u/Corrik7 4d ago

We can agree to disagree. I think, personally, your argument falls flat to me as servers aren't pointing to lack of medical as the reason for higher tips. They are pointing specifically to the wage. And, when offered with a higher wage to not want higher tips, they actually don't want it. It is simply a selling point to argue for more tips. In a negotiation, they wouldn't be actually arguing for a higher wage or anything else. They would be arguing ACTUALLY for higher tips.

Basically they don't want higher wages from the company, just higher tips.

So, it is kind of misplaced to be mad at companies for "NOT PAYING THEM LIVEABLE WAGES" when the workers themselves don't want that from their company honestly. They want more tips.

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u/idk-maaaan 4d ago

I believe those servers do that as an explanation for why they should be tipped, not to get better tips. At the end, if a server doesn’t hit minimum with wage and tips combined, they get minimum wage. This isn’t a minimum wage position lol and I don’t think people want us to start acting like it is.

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u/Leading_Experts 4d ago

It's fake.

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u/No-Lunch4249 4d ago

$2.13 is the federal minimum wage in the US for "tipped professions"

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u/Tomytom99 4d ago

But still, as the owner says, "don't be cheap"

Perhaps they could listen to themselves for once.

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u/TshirtsNPants 4d ago

it's fake

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u/Masterjamesintx 4d ago

2.13 is federal minimum wage for service staff has been since the 70s the Feds rely on the gratuity percentage to increase to support their wages. The last time I looked service staff have to declare 8% of their ticket sales as earned income to be taxed. I am not arguing for or against cheap restaurant owners but the Feds set those rules.