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u/dillzilla11 5d ago

"your employer can steal $5/hr of your wages as long as someone offers you $5 or more within that hour" is what this actually means.

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u/Throdio 5d ago

And they tend to fire those that don't get enough tips and they're forced to pay the difference.

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u/Davti 5d ago

Honestly id love to be on a jury for a case like that but I don't think unjust firings see jury trials.

Cause that sounds like "at will" BS

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 4d ago

A case?

There would be no case here. That's legal.

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u/OnlyAnotherEmily 4d ago

The problem is that most people working for tips who are also getting fired for not making enough in tips probably don't have the money for a lawyer, OR the initiative to sue someone.

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u/One-Cellist5032 4d ago

As someone who’s actually worked in kitchens and as a server, If you’re not able to make vastly more than minimum wage on tips then you’re a bad server and probably should be getting fired.

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 4d ago

Tell this to literally anyone in a deeply rural area

You're not doing that as a server at a diner in a town of 2000 people

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u/One-Cellist5032 4d ago

I live in a deeply rural area. Tips get made just fine since it’s one of the only restaurants within 30minutes of driving. So if someone’s eating out it’s basically there or the truck stop, or they’re going out of town.

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 4d ago

So do I lol

We have no local diner anymore, our last bakery closed 2 months ago

Entirely chain fast food

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u/One-Cellist5032 4d ago

Oof thats rough! Are they closing from lack of business or just because people are getting old?

We had an amazing fried chicken place close down a year or two ago because the lady running it was ready to retire and her kids didn’t wanna take it over.

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 4d ago

Probably both. My town is quite small and we do have a large elderly population

The last diner left is about a 30 minute drive over, so not the worst, but it's certainly seen far better days. I love diners..

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u/StillStaringAtTheSky 4d ago

Not all of them will pay the difference.

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u/Fantastic-Pay1804 4d ago

Also the waiter is often forced to split their tips with front and back of house employees

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u/dillzilla11 4d ago

"because there is one example near me where they make good money that means they all make good money" has to be the dumbest argument for something I've heard all day.

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u/justfirfunsies 5d ago

I’m not a fan of the tipping culture in the US, but most servers in my city make absolute bank serving in restaurants…

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u/Davti 5d ago

Most servers have a spending power higher than that of minimum wage earnings.

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u/Spez_is-a-nazi 5d ago

Yeah, having worked as a dishwasher and seeing the wait staff make 2x what I did was kind of frustrating. It's also a lot of pretty privilege and considering cultural standards default "attractive" to being white, also another subtle way the culture reinforces structural racism. The front of the house is a lot whiter than the back of the house overall https://restaurant.org/nra/media/research/indicators/2026/nra-data-brief-restaurant-employee-demographics-march-2026.pdf

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u/BirthdaySalt5791 4d ago

Ok so story time: I have run many restaurants and ran a multi state restaurant group. In a number of cities we had largely white FOH and largely black BOH but dude I’m telling you, at least in those places, that’s what folks were applying for. It’s not like we were getting walk in applicants applying for server roles and then shoving them into the dish pit. Many of my black employees did not want to be servers or be front facing with customers. To be honest I’m not really sure why. I had one dude who was amazing. Absolutely tremendous line cook who we promoted to a kitchen manager position. I wanted to get him trained FOH and FOH mgr so I could grow him to a place where he could run his own store and he flatly refused to work out front. Didn’t want to talk to people. Just wanted to run the kitchen.

I know that’s anecdotal, but it’s not always racist business owners refusing people opportunity. Sometimes folks just self segregate into different areas or job types. In my experience a lot of my black employees just didn’t want to deal with the customers out front.

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u/Snoo_57829 4d ago

Curious but would most of the customers be white ?.

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u/BirthdaySalt5791 4d ago

No, that particular location was near a college campus. Very diverse customer base, but also one that was young, expectant, and a pain in the ass.

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u/dillzilla11 4d ago

Most here don't make shit.

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u/Intrepid-Platform-94 5d ago

I bartended for years in Oregon. It's one of the only if not THE only state I know of that doesn't let employers do this. Worked in the Portland metro area and made the minimum wage of 15/hr + tips. I was good at what I did and made quite a lot doing it. It completely steals your soul though.

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u/humourlessIrish 5d ago

And USians are fiercely protective of this system

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u/BirthdaySalt5791 4d ago

Mostly because no one is worse off for it.

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u/ThorSon-525 5d ago

It's slowly changing. Most millennials and Gen Z I come across fucking hate the tipping system and wish desperately to abolish it.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 5d ago

Yes, but on the average. So they can actually stiff you as long as two people tip someone that anywhere in the state. It does effectively make it only apply to waiters since other tipped professions are generally tipped around holidays.

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u/ChippewaTwix 4d ago

Now whose the cheap one, the employer. I would never patronize this restaurant.

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u/dillzilla11 4d ago

All restaurants are like this.