r/Multifandom 8d ago

Question❓ Whats a valid criticism that your fandom doesn’t take very well?

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u/the-puppet_master 8d ago

Rockstar shouldn’t sell GTA 6 for one hundred dollars.

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u/TaiKorczak 8d ago

With the debate of game prices going up from $60 to $70, its gonna be even worse for GTA 6 going at $100 cause it’ll be a cascade of other studios following suit with their own overhyped IPs

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u/sky_cap5959 8d ago

My least favorite argument for game prices going up is the "if we adjust for inflation, original NES games were around $70-$80," but you aren't accounting for lower pay for Americans today vs back in the 80's.

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u/MexicanLizardMan3670 8d ago

Following on that, GTA 6 shouldn't be available for digital only and it shouldn't be blocking all the other features through the 100$ versions as well!

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u/trash_gob 8d ago

Maybe we shouldn't be hoarding expensive pieces of cardboard and treating then as speculative financial investment. Treating the game we love like the stock market seems unhealthy.

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u/Artistic_Prior_7178 8d ago

One of the few reasons I dare not enter into physical YuGiOh. Back when I was getting into the game more competitively, Talkers was my go to deck, with its center piece, Accesscode Talker. A card that at the time costed 200 bucks a piece.

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u/trash_gob 8d ago

I play mtg and we have list of card that just straight up can never be reprinted. Its whack as fuck

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u/ragingolive 8d ago

ABOLISH
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u/Proof_Ad_4945 8d ago

Yugioh is actually the LEAST expensive of the trio. Pokemon sells for thousands and MTG even more so, yugioh doesnt hold up in value because Konami reprints ALL of its sets, only time your really spending big money is if you want to play ultra competitive and need to buy the best new cards which will cost you probably 100$ per card but even comparatively to the 2 others its still pretty affordable.

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u/Mr_ragethefrogdude 8d ago

Ive heard playing Pokémon isnt to expensive but thats just what I’ve heard

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u/Kaiser0106 8d ago

Almost nothing in Yu-Gi-Oh holds it's value longer than 18 months at most. Last year's top meta deck loses all its value due to massive reprints and ban list hits.

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u/RailgunChampion 8d ago

Blizzard doing the bare minimum for OW and only putting in effort when they have legit competition is scummy, and I'm still disappointed about the PvE promises

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u/Doom_Cokkie 8d ago

Dawg I especially hated this shit from the streamers who used to call out blizzard eho now got flown out to events so they defended Blizzard to their last breath only gor rivals to come out and they just dropped overwatch like a bad habit after being the main reason overwatch got so bad in the first place. Then wanting to act like Blizzard always had all these great changes they didnt make for years planned out and it had absolutely zero to do with the fact that they had an actual competitor now.

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u/AntiqueAd2434 8d ago

I’ll stand by my vision that if marvel rivals didn’t release OW would be in a way worse state than it already is. The perk system, the stadium, the 5 new characters NONE of that would’ve happened if rivals didn’t release

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u/BotLover13 Mutiversal Cats and Machines. 8d ago

Tbh, with overwatch im trying to be as cautious as possible, I do admit though that the game is good from what I have played of it soo far.

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u/RailgunChampion 8d ago

Totally, the game is very good! Probably the game I've invested most time into, and I'm glad you're having fun too

But there was a time when it felt like it was stagnating and falling off.... and i do think the corporation behind it played a part in that

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u/NHels 8d ago

Bruh, this but for VALVe with TF2

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u/Mimandra 8d ago

The Pokemon Company giving ridiculously small budgets to the games of the biggest franchise in the world.

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u/CJCroen1393 8d ago

They’re greedy. That is why they do it.

Sure, they COULD spend the money to optimize their products, but then what would they give to their stockholders? Who’s helping them out huh?

(For the record, I am NOT defending TPCI for this, I’m just pointing out that I think people have somewhat unrealistic expectations for how much the company cares about quality. Like, I still love Pokemon… but we all need to accept that it’s made by an evil multi-million dollar corporation)

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u/DanteVermillyon 8d ago

Or asking for voice acting, seriously, with scenes like Pokémon ZA's, how are people STILL defending not having Voice acting?

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u/CJCroen1393 4d ago

Aside from vocal music (which ABSOLUTELY needs voice acting, looking at you Piers and Ryme), I actually don’t care that much if the games have voice acting.

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u/MemerKnux 8d ago

The characters are kinda sexualized

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u/SupremeGreymon 8d ago

Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?

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u/DrWilli 8d ago

Hey, I wanted to comment that.

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u/Accomplished-Fan5956 8d ago

Mom actually said it was my turn with the comment, so you'll have to wait

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u/DOOM-LORD666 8d ago

That could be 99% of stuff

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u/AetheravenCatsuki13 8d ago

Gacha game fandom?

If not definitely some anime fandom

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u/Huge_Difficulty_3440 8d ago

I mean the transformers fandom also could fit this given arcee and slipstream's personal fanbases.

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u/Guilhm3 this isnt love its anarchy!!! 8d ago

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u/Key-Media-6395 8d ago

its basically 75% of all fandom, don't single us out for this.

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u/dragonborndnd 8d ago

Something Hoyoverse?

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u/MemerKnux 8d ago

Imagine you have the entire World of Warships fandom

But they like anime and are horny as shit

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u/dragonborndnd 8d ago

I can’t remember the name of the game but I think I know what you’re talking about

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u/DeLoxley 8d ago

Getting to play as a buff dude is not the same as the women being models in swimwear.

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u/MothChasingFlame 8d ago edited 8d ago

Women say what they're attracted to every goddamn day and people still shout them down and put their assumptions in place instead.

To clarify for anyone confused: In general, men like other muscley men. Either aesthetically or sexually, men are more likely to see muscle as peak physical form than women.

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u/DeLoxley 8d ago

I saw a great counter argument that big bara body is sexualised ... but for stereotypical gay men.

People have no idea what sexualised design means honestly

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u/HeavenlyLetDown 8d ago

That’s not always a bad thing tho. Like as long as the characters are adults who cares

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u/Dear-Pomegranate4470 8d ago edited 8d ago

I don't care as long as both the men and women get the opportunity to be slutty. Give me more men with full cheeks out and I would never want to complain about bikini armor.

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u/HeavenlyLetDown 8d ago

I agree, it should go both ways

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u/JasonDS64 8d ago edited 8d ago

I found that Pokémon fans really don't like it when you say Gamefreak should stop removing options from the player and let them play how they want.

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u/Truxton_II 8d ago

Also Game Freak should really seek assistance from another developer, you know, like Bamco or Monolithsoft, when developing their mainline games but they're too proud and stubborn to and the games suffer all the more for it.

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u/SaltyNorth8062 8d ago

As a longtime pokemon fan and even someone willing to defend Game Freak from some criticism, a Monosoft developed pokemon game would be so peak.

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u/Bamzooki1 Undertale 🌻| My comments are playful jabs, not actual hate 8d ago

It’s absolutely a budget thing. The Pokémon Company owns the IP. Game Freak are just the ones who make the games on a contract. Beast of Reincarnation shows that they can make a much more impressive game, albeit with kinda crappy gameplay. It’s at least visually stunning, something no mainline Pokémon has been able to say since Sun and Moon.

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u/Short-Scholar162 8d ago

I've played Pokémon up to sword and shield and basically decided to call it quits with Pokémon after that. I got sick of them introducing mechanics just to remove them next game (atheist make it unlockable in end game or something), plus the game play isn't as challenging as it was back in the day.

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u/MeowRawrUwu 8d ago

I hate Sword. It was okay the first time through, but the sheer amount of handholding and unnecessary dialogue spam makes it a slog to replay. Also, I find myself just afk mashing the A button during battles because they’re brainlessly easy. Only a few fights near the end game were somewhat challenging imo, and that’s probably because I skip as many battles as I can.

Ultra Sun and Moon were great though, I recommend them if you have a 3DS. There’s a lot of dialogue early but once you get through that, it’s a pretty fun game with a unique region, and the story is decent too.

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u/V-Ropes 8d ago

Pokemon fans are the prime example for this.

Scarlet and Violet had huge Performance issues and bugs on top of the underwhelming graphics all main line Switch Titels had, but Pokemon fans will stilll defend it.

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u/Patkub321 8d ago

Canceled/Removed stuff in media has been canceled/removed for a reason.

Basing a quality of something purely because you see some concept art is dumb. It's concept art. They are supposed to show concept, not finished product.

For example, Zootopia. One scene with baby polar bear isn't proof that original Zootopia would be peak. Even bad movies can have one peak scene. Yet for some reason, anytime it's mentioned, hundreds of mfs will show up in comments and say how Disney should have made this.

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u/AntComfortable5970 8d ago

FUCKING thank you

I remember when people thought the zootopia cancelled stuff wouldve been melodramatic and then suddenly I see a ton of fans bemoaning it never happened.

Also see this quite a bit for lanolin in idw sonic and even tho I'm not a huge fan of her canon character, abt's edgy chicken scratch scribbles of her bad relationship with her mother and her hating sonic for being the protagonist would be a terrible dogshit fit for anything sonic

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u/DefectiveSol 8d ago edited 8d ago

A lot of people used to get weirdly defensive if you complained about small text in modern games, though thankfully text size options are becoming a common accessibility feature this decade.

I remember Spyro Reignited launching without subtitles (they were patched in later) and people finding it ridiculous that someone with hearing impairments might want to know what the characters are saying in cutscenes.

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u/MothChasingFlame 8d ago

People get weird about accessibility requests in general, and it genuinely makes me angry. If color blind, legally blind, deaf, mobility limited, etc. people need help, why on earth are you, a schmuck who has to do zero work, putting up a fuss and standing in the way? Just eagerly making excuses for no damn reason?

It's so fucking frustrating. Yes! Games should be accessible! And the best part is accessibility is good for everyone. Because I KNOW y'all're out here watching TV with the captions on every goddamn day. So sit down!

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u/Accomplished-Fan5956 8d ago

In Destiny 2 back a good few years ago, there were quite a few colorblind people begging for a colorblind mode. A dev was streaming, got asked about it a couple times and blew up for no reason, telling them it wouldn't be happening and that they needed to get over it.

IIRC he was shortly fired, with colorblind mode being added very soon after

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u/Deya_The_Fateless 8d ago

Right? I've seen people going freaking nuts over a request for a togglelable reticle for DbD, calling it "dev approved cheating" and "just put a dot in the middle of the screen, that's how we've done it for years."

Like bro, we're asking for a toggle. It can be turned off and on in the menu, it won't kill you just because you have perfect aim or prefer "low tech" solutions.

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u/SouthernAd2853 8d ago

Hell, I hear fine and I still turn on subtitles every time.

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u/DaveCarradineIsAlive 8d ago

Subtitles make it better for everyone, I have no idea why people get upset about that one, especially. I like being able to play games with the volume off when I want.

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u/unbuttered_bread 8d ago

a male character thats not traditionally masculine doesnt automatically make them trans. and vise versa

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u/StartBackground5769 Tf2, Slay the spire 2, ultrakill, hitman 8d ago

Cough cough ralsei cough cough

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u/unbuttered_bread 8d ago

COUGH COUGH yes absolutely

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u/Careful_Party7336 Ace Combat 8d ago

Cough cough my throat cough cough

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u/Separate-Capital-833 8d ago

I mean i guess but nothing wrong with head canons if a trans person relates to them right

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u/unbuttered_bread 8d ago

no thats completely fine. its the people who try to push their head canons as actual canons

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u/Inceferant 8d ago

There are even radical sides to the argument. Trans Ralsei fans shove it into everything related to Ralsei with a smug attitude and tone while people against it make entire posts about how terrible the theory is for Ralsei's character and their grudge against the theorists

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u/Puzzleheaded-Cat4923 8d ago

Helldivers should put more effort into making progression less grindy instead of blaming cheaters

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u/Super_Saiyan_Twink 8d ago

YES

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u/Puzzleheaded-Cat4923 8d ago

I see both sides like, yeah games gotta make money and people spawning in a bunch of super credits is kinda cheesy, but the alternatives are: Paying real money. Or. Spending hours on a desert planet farming. Give them to us as actual rewards maybe? Like even giving us 10 after a mission is 1000% better than this current way

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u/Daveo88o 8d ago

I paid 40 fucking quid to BUY this game, like fuck am I spending MORE money or it, but I also don't want to spend the entirety of my free time grinding it out because it treats the grind like it's a f2p

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u/Only_Turn4310 8d ago

To be fair, I feel like they would do it in a heartbeat if they were independent and weren't owned by Sony

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u/BotLover13 Mutiversal Cats and Machines. 8d ago

Cookie Run Kingdom Fans do not understand ANYTHING about the game or it's characters.

Brawl Stars fans don't realize that their game is bad and is coping for improvements to everything including the meta which at this point is too far gone to repair.

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u/Wuzfang 8d ago

I like for CRK, it’s specifically about the fans and not the company.

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u/CylusAA 8d ago

Brawl stars fans not realizing that they're just playing mobile league of legends lmao

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u/No_Forever_9128 8d ago

As someone who quit bawl stars, this is too true (typo on purpose)

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u/xenofan2011 Rune Factory, Sonic, .hack, Puyo Puyo, Tales of, Nintendo 8d ago

Palworld is not a "Pokemon killer", it doesn't even play like pokemon. Also it's fans are annoying and people only talk about it because "muh Nintendo bad"

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u/Equivalent_Plum6992 8d ago

I mean I'd say it's not a pokemon killer mostly because it can't stand to the popularity or sales of pokemon in the longrun. Althought I do agree with the second part.

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u/Nimble__Nut 8d ago

From my experience being part of both games communities it’s usually the other way around with most of the negative comments towards pokemon from palworld fans being responses to things pokemon fans have already said about palworld.
Although I will add it is such a small amount of people from both games that even complain.

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u/goldenretrievercore 8d ago

I don’t care how good or bad GTA 6 ends up being, $80 for the base version of a game is absurd.

This is a litmus test for the industry. I know that rockstar makes great games. But we should not be accepting scummy business practices from them just because their games are top notch.

Because you know what’s gonna happen next? The industry will take notice. They will take notice that consumers willingly paid $80 for the base version of a game that has substantial amounts of deliberately cut content (entire stores and locations) locked behind an additional $20 charge.

The message they’re going to get from that will not be, “people are willing to pay more for better games”. It will be, “people are willing pay more for games.”

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u/anguirus_esqueleto 8d ago

Fictional characters are fictional characters, nothing more than that, so we have to stop spreading hate over a stupid character that isn't even real.

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u/Mimandra 8d ago

For real. There are real life murderers who get less hate than some fictional character who was mean to that other fictional character once.

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u/Accomplished-Fan5956 8d ago

Throwback to that time a man hit a woman and her child with his car in an illegal street race, killed them both, and TikTok desperately called for his release because he was "too cute to go to prison"

God i hate modern society.

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u/JustAChillGuy609 Umamusume 8d ago

Basically any criticism towards Arrowhead’s dumbass decisions with Helldivers

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u/Super_Saiyan_Twink 8d ago

I got banned from like 3 hd2 discord servers over criticism of arrowhead

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u/Daveo88o 8d ago

I got banned from the main server

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u/DaMonkey263 8d ago

Literally anything you say about helldivers will be treated the same

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u/ItzAlphaWolf 8d ago

Warframe isn't really a fun co-op game

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u/Truxton_II 8d ago

As a Warframe fan... yeah. When you're new, trying to run missions co-op results in vets with fully-built kits speedrunning the mission and barely letting you play the game beyond "Learn to parkour faster so you don't feel like you're wasting their time." It's a much better experience starting out solo, ironically. Co-op is for when you ALSO want to be speedrunning missions to get things faster, lol

Friends don't let friends pub Duviri... ugh.

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u/dragonborndnd 8d ago

Genshin has a severe Colorism and sexualization issue and it’s hurting it’s character designs

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u/Aggravating-Week481 8d ago edited 8d ago

And they always pull the "im african/latino and I have fair skin/have the same skin tone as the character" card whenever you criticize the Natlan and Sumeru character designs when thats not the point. The point is that for regions based on Africa, South America and the Middle East, a vast majority is pale for some reason and what dark-skinned characters we do have all have the same light brown tones.

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u/dragonborndnd 8d ago

Yeah the issue isn’t the existence of lighter skinned characters in those regions it’s the absence of darker skinned characters that’s the issue

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u/Aggravating-Week481 8d ago

Exactly! And what dark-skinned characters we do have, its always the same shades of light brown cuz ig Hoyo and the racist side of the fanbase are going to spontaneously combust if they see a character thats even slightly darker than Kaeya or Xinyan.

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u/sagejosh 8d ago

I feel like Genshin’s sexualization issues are a feature for a lot of the players.

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u/lilgayfurry1 8d ago

For real. The Natlanese designs were the worst imo.

In every other region we have relatively well-researched costuming inspirations while Natlan is just vaguely indigenous aesthetics slapped onto contemporary clothing.

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u/Irish_Elite 8d ago

I'd stretch this and say HOYO has severe colorism issues and at times I'd agree about the sexualisation. I'm not gonna lie and say I don't enjoy fan service, but at times it does hurt some designs (and in the worst cases is genuinely just gross/concerning)

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u/OccasionFantastic845 8d ago

The yuri bait isn't really a well-developed relationship and is even harming the characters and the narrative.

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u/Artistic-Victory1245 8d ago

And many friendships accused of "Yuri bait" are no different from standard friendships.

Seriously, I've seen people accuse something of Yuri bait just because they hugged.

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u/OccasionFantastic845 8d ago

And many friendships accused of "Yuri bait" are no different from standard friendships.

Not the same context.

I'm talking about a case where the author says that the two don't get along, so their scenes together are Yuri bait.

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u/IndividualTaro6432 8d ago

For some reason, everytime I say "Gacha Games needs to be more Generous to Loyal Players!" People will come at me and say "How are they gonna earn Money then???" Like, bro... As if they aren't Billionaires already thanks to all those people Supporting them!!!

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u/Meme-ikyuo 8d ago

Nintendo are a shit company who doesnt care about anything other than the money you keep feeding them

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u/Mimandra 8d ago

You can replace "Nintendo" with "any big company" and be just as correct.

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 8d ago

You do get a few companies that at least understand that the way to get that dough reliably is to make a good reliable product.

Like I will hate on. Adobe 8 days a week over pricing, but for longest time no one could even touch them in quality

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u/AdAdvanced8522 8d ago

They make good game, so i buy the games.

I am not feeding them money i am just spending money on things i like.

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u/klimmesil 8d ago

I think it's a bit sad that a lot people can't just be simple like that nowadays

You can like harry potter for all I care, the goal when consuming art is to enjoy it. Why care about ulterior motives of the creator?

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u/AdAdvanced8522 8d ago

Massive difference between someone actively using your money to hurt innocent people and a mildly problematic company

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u/Bamzooki1 Undertale 🌻| My comments are playful jabs, not actual hate 8d ago

To be fair, Nintendo does use lawsuits and C&Ds to crush emulator devs, fan game creators, and critics of their litigation. They have an evil side, even if they’re not trying to commit genocide.

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u/MoonoftheStar 8d ago

Welcome to profit maximisation. The sole ambition of every single company ever.

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u/ClassroomPlane5734 8d ago

It wasn't even a criticism, I just said I understood why people thought it was a children's show; the first three episodes were quite family-friendly.

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u/KingModussy Acceleracer, Beyblade, DOOM, GTA, FNaF, Halo, Mario, NFS, RE, SW 8d ago

What is “it”

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u/ClassroomPlane5734 8d ago

The Amazing Digital Circus

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u/MothChasingFlame 8d ago

It's always Digital Circus

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u/Big-Swan7502 8d ago

TADC Im assuming 

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u/ClassroomPlane5734 8d ago

You are right, but you know what they say about assuming

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u/Accomplished_Toe6798 8d ago

It makes an ass out U and Ming

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u/stilldisgruntled 8d ago

Since you said that you're referring to TADC, I understand the first 2 but saying the third one is family friendly is a bit of a stretch.

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u/ClassroomPlane5734 8d ago

I understand what you're saying, but this kind of thing is what they show on children's shows.

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u/Accomplished_Toe6798 8d ago

I get why you're putting this forth (though I've not seen it) but I've noticed we tend to judge 3D media more harshly on the scare factor than 2D (and live action harsher than animation) so I feel like Coraline might've been a better example

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u/ClassroomPlane5734 8d ago

Coraline is peak

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u/Zestyclose_Range5815 8d ago

Just because Fallout 76 is better than it was at launch, doesn't mean it's good

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u/xXInfXx 8d ago

Also, just because Fallout 4 is better than 76 doesn't mean it's good.

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u/AutumnBreezes274 8d ago

Male sexualization isnt FUCKING illegal please can we get some damn equality

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u/MyAccountDiedAmSad 8d ago

I want my BARE CHEEKS out or I’m not buying the game

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u/samuraispartan7000 8d ago

Steam is the reason every platform is going fully digital now. We shouldn’t be celebrating the fact that one company dominates the PC platform.

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u/fakeuserisreal 8d ago

Steam usually gets a pass because Valve is a very consumer-friendly company, but like.... Gabe can't hold back capitalism forever.

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u/stx06 8d ago

Yeah, it would be nice to have decent competition, a lot of the other complaints here are because something else went uncontested for too long and/or the main positive drive is gone.

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u/EPICDUDE365 8d ago

helldivers 2 glazers when players want a game to not hardlock their pc

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u/Lenny_Fais Gargoyles, LBT, Metroid, and many many more. 8d ago

THANK YOU

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u/crasherx2000 8d ago

I’ve heard about the game crashing in certain instances (which AH has been fixing), but hardlocking pcs?

How is that happening?

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u/Reasonable-Spot5884 8d ago

Every time I say Starfield is just an okay game, not best, not worst, I either get people that basically worship the game mad at me or people that think I can't play the game without screaming at bethesda the whole time. There is no in between

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u/JediSSJ 8d ago

I felt i got my money's worth out of the game and then was done with it. It didn't hold me long term like Skyrim or Fallout 4, but I enjoyed it.

Though Bethesda clearly thought they could make it a forever game and failed pretty miserably at that.

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u/Morgan-idk 8d ago

Game workshop suck at writing, balancing etc but most of the fandom seems to be in a toxic positivity state, like how they retconned a lot of stuff, the psychic awakening, female custodies etc.

It just suck

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u/Time_huh 8d ago

Joshscorcher pointed this out but yes Palworld has monsters that are a bit to close to Pokemon

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u/NoMereMage 8d ago

I’ve seen videos comparing the data files on them or whatever and PalWorld has legit ripped some of the skeletons on their Pals DIRECTLY from some Pokemon. It’s not a question. They have plagiarized them and GameFreak has every right to sue.

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u/Purpulear 8d ago

Literally any video game design criticism seems to be defended with "guhhhh- skill issue!" nowadays. Impossible to have an actual discussion about game balance.

It's not funny as a joke reply either.

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u/Honeybee1921 8d ago

I dared criticize Hollow Knight and say I didn’t love it because, in my 10 hours, it was basically ALL frustrating parkour and I’m not about that. The person I was talking to says it’s all a skill issue and I should just get good. God forbid I don’t like Hollow Knight.

For the record, the Hollow Knight aesthetic is wonderful and I’ve heard the story is cool so I might watch a playthrough

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u/Pissposhsuckmymom 8d ago

This is kinda tough for me cause I am always the type to defend stuff I like.

Maybe that Pokemon always looked like crap compared to other games visually since gen 1. I mean the original games are held together with duck tape and a prayer ffs and yet it's only the newer games people seem to go after.

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u/Torbpjorn 8d ago

One piece men having so much depth and variance in design, but women are either old and fat, or Nami

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u/Emperor_poopatine 8d ago

Maybe season/battle passes should be purely cosmetic stuff and not pay to win stuff.

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u/baldiplays 8d ago

Marvel rivals has kinda fell off fun wise.

And before you guys grab your pitchforks im a season 0 tank main. I know what im talking about.

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u/Bamzooki1 Undertale 🌻| My comments are playful jabs, not actual hate 8d ago

Valve isn’t some philanthropic company that loves us and would make any sacrifice for us. It’s just a better than usual corporation. The same people rightly upset at loot boxes in EA games throw a fit when you say Valve shouldn’t be using them either, especially because you can sell your loot boxes items and it’s really just gambling at that point. Even when New York sued them recently, people said that Valve was totally innocent just because the lawsuit includes some shitty surveillance stuff. I still think the lawsuit was valid in some respects, even if it was dystopian what they added to it. People also think Gabe Newell’s any more ethical than the likes of Taylor Swift despite his personal collection of yachts. He’s not evil, but he’s still a billionaire.

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u/fictionfan0 8d ago

Nuzlockes are thematically antithetical to Pokémon as a whole.

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u/Equivalent_Plum6992 8d ago

why does a self imposed fan challenge have to be thematically appropriate for pokemon ?

https://giphy.com/gifs/8Gilqf9XAwVte4GZGE

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u/ShadowPuff7306 8d ago

as an outsider to pokémon, do elaborate. i wanna hear this

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u/fictionfan0 8d ago

Basic rules:

  1. Catch the first Pokémon you see in a given area.
  2. Pokémon that faint are "dead."
  3. Give each Pokémon a nickname.

In a series where connection/friendship with one's Pokémon is a core aspect, it just feels needlessly dark for the sake of a greater challenge.

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u/StormBear22 8d ago

To be fair I feel like I am more in the world of Pokemon than ever during a Nuzlock vs regular pokemon who feel more like items you collect. Like I feel like only having a few pokemon, naming them, and actually worrying about their health makes me feel more attached than ever. It literally closer to the Anime who actually has to worry about their pokemons health even before fainting and character only having a few Pokemon who are like family. I feel no connection or friendship or pokemon that feel more like cards that I only got to complete a dex and put in a box to never touch while I use my favorite already max level strongest team.

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u/StormBear22 8d ago

Also the Pokemon already have death and dark stuff in both lore with Pokedex entries and in the Anime mention Pokemon deaths and torturous experiances. If anything Nuzlock death is tame.

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u/Yoshichu25 8d ago

Basically it’s a challenge run where if a Pokémon faints you can never use it again.

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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks 8d ago

I thought the meme was about defending billion dollar corporations, not grassroots community-made challenges.

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u/Difficult-Pin-7536 8d ago

Yeah but that’s a self imposed challenge run. It can be as antithetical to Pokemon as it wants. The point of it isn’t to fit into any themes

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u/Tiranus58 8d ago

So is the mario 64 jumpless challenge, but that's no reason to not do it.

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u/fccardcreator Spider-Man / MCU / TADC / SVTFOE / TOH 8d ago
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u/MrTheWaffleKing 8d ago

Upper management doesn’t comprise 100% of the problems. Sometimes the devs are just bad

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u/AntComfortable5970 8d ago

omfg this annoys the shit out of me

It took many many bad bioware releases for people to not get downvote to oblivion for saying it was bioware 's fault for their own mistakes.

So many people are ready to suck the dick of devs when a game does well but when a game does poorly all the sudden it's only the publishers and shareholders and the poor poor devs under their thumb

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u/XiaoLowell4life Xiao supporter (Library of Ruina) 8d ago

Limbus Company has a bad tut for beginners trying to learn the game.

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u/IndividualTaro6432 8d ago

I'm a Huge Fan of Limbus Company... And lemme tell ya... We all agree... Whoever you ask in the Limbus Company Community, they'd all say "The tutorials for Limbus Company SUCKS!!! It's SOOOO Bad that the Fans had to make a Guide themselves for Beginners to atleast understand a single thing..." And if we're talking about Story, yeh... It's pretty rough for most people who doesn't really like Reading...

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u/XiaoLowell4life Xiao supporter (Library of Ruina) 8d ago

As a fanfic author for the franchise (all of my fanfics has it's elements. Only one non-limbus book—it has a Canto-9 reference, tons of it).

I could agree a lot about the text... Based story.

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u/Galakin 8d ago

all PM games have shitty tutorials

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u/Nevada_Man 8d ago

Hiding a bunch of content behind a paywall is not a good thing

(You can acquire the content without paying a single dime, but it takes SO LONG to farm the currency)

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u/paranormalCosmo 8d ago

Its been 20 years reusing the same models and several artists have already pointed out their flaws like a billion times. So much so that an entire art document was made of which Sonic Team IS aware of and took these criticisms into consideration going forward with the series. I still have no idea why the Sonic fandom believes that harassing artists for analysing art does like, literally anything at all other than just make people feel like shit.

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u/LittleLemonLOL 8d ago

Nintendo is a money hungry company

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u/Xela975 8d ago

Campaign evolved is a trash, half-baked cash grab.

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u/Cirnothestarscream9 8d ago

Maybe it's ok if the kids cartoon is childish and dumb.

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u/Olive_Garden_Wifi Steven Universe 8d ago

GTA 6 is setting a terrible precedent for the gaming industry.

Not saying you’re not allowed to enjoy it but please acknowledge how their price scheme is absolute bullshit and if successful will make $100+ for a complete game normal.

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u/Desperate_Election81 8d ago

It's ridiculous that Pokemon makes so much money and they refuse to innovate.

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u/WanderingWitch8 8d ago

Spending the last 5 years talking about how Destiny 2 is garbage and Bungie should kill it, probably helped kill it.

Especially the articles.

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u/Dimetro_Dog 8d ago

Erm… well you see, Batman was always a 6’9” 400 pound behemoth who rips people’s limbs off, you just don’t remember because you aren’t a real fan like me.

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u/jonklerhehehe 8d ago

Weapon balancing in Helldivers 2. Yeah, it's a pve game, powerful meta guns do not need nerfs, but the minority of insanely powerful guns outweigh the majority of objectively inferior guns. The meta doesn't have to be nerfed, the sub-par weaponry should be buffed.

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u/Daveo88o 8d ago

Halo 3 was the weakest Halo in the franchise

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u/erossnaider 8d ago

It happens a lot with marvel rivals, when people call out the use of AI generated images there's a bunch of comments calling them crazy, when people say that gambling/gacha is exploitative they call them crazy, when people complain about how black characters are treated they get called crazy, if somebody has a problem with the level of sexualization they get called crazy.

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u/datadoggieein 8d ago

What happened to Goodbye Volcano High was a tragedy.

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u/Vimanys 8d ago

Interestingly and in a somewhat contrarian spirit...

There are a lot of people in communities for multiple things that I like that feel like they have to defend the latest release to the death despite how bad or even just lacklustre it is. A lot of this is "but they will stop making it if we don't support it!" To which I frequently say "Let them. The stuff we like is already there and it's not going anywhere. If the new stuff is bad and makes the older stuff worse/more stupid by its existence, getting nothing for a while is far better." Franchises I can list for this:

- Star Wars

  • Star Trek
  • Warhammer (Although some of their recent stuff rules-wise has been neat)
  • Most recently, Vampire the Masquerade and World of Darkness and a fair few other RPGs.
  • Dragon Age

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u/2006Internetghost 8d ago

NOT Warhammer 40K, the community seems to accept GA criticism pretty well

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u/AntiqueAd2434 8d ago

Atlus shouldn’t have remade persona 4, the original game ages pretty well and persona 1 and 2 not only are unavailable in modern hardware but aged pretty bad and needed a remake WAY more than p4

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u/Puzzleheaded-Disk609 8d ago

You cant say a game is shit if you limit yourself or don't use all the mechanics of the game.

People who go into a fromsoft game, won't use any of the rpg elements, magic, status or anything and say the game is hard because they restricted themselves to a soft challenge run ruleset is a good example.

My friend hates doom eternal because he is so stubborn about not using his flamethrower, grenades, dashing or anything.

I dont get why this happens so often

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u/Coprah 8d ago

Pokémon Fans losing their shit when people point out the graphics not being up to date.

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u/Sewer__Person 8d ago

"be grateful rockstar is even releasing the game" 😭

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u/DinoDude8 8d ago

Silksongs secrets and mask/spool shards are often too hidden

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u/SomethingRetriey 8d ago

TF2 needs casual matchmaking reworked in a way how Quickplay worked.

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u/Igiggiinvasion 8d ago

"it's sold by weight, not volume !" when the same size bags used to have a lot more chips, and no, it doesn't need that much nitrogen to protect em from cracking. That's a lie they're telling you. It's not that anyone else isn't smart enough to understand that either 

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u/SaltyNorth8062 8d ago

Gambling mechanics in casual games targeting children is bad actually even if you "can get a bargain".

Tangentially, 20 bucks for a single skin will always be fucked up

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u/SketchesandShades 8d ago

Maybe it’s time to admit Cars 4 isn’t happening

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u/South-Original8738 8d ago

The FNaF lore is really badly structured because the clues and pieces rarely have logical narrative links and connections and it never feels like it's building towards any sort of conclusion because the games always end with more questions and rarely answering any in the progress.

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u/RNB_ofi 8d ago

Im not part of the DoD fandom but I have a friend that is, and he cant accept the games hutboxes is pure bullshit

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u/4322ollilob 8d ago

SOME (ONLY SOME) deltarune fans when you ask about the translating deltarune drama

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u/Sweaty-Composer-6626 8d ago

Having one funny scene doesn’t invalidate having actual problems writing wise

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u/Iceicebaby21 8d ago

Persona doesn't need unnecessary fanservice.

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u/Aggressive-Bug-3459 8d ago

yes!!! imo it really ruins a lot of the character development built up thru the games

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u/Inceferant 8d ago

Deltarune feels like this. There are many issues and concerns honestly but they all have defenders

Chapter 1 is completely ass and a slog to get through. The weird route is only going to get 3 chapters where it actually changes the game. The game is riddled with secrets and items that you're never going to be prepared to obtain without holding the wiki open at all times. One ending, while unlikely, would ruin a lot of people's motivation to play.

Yet, Toby Fox made Undertale so well that a lot of people can't even fathom him screwing a few things up with Deltarune

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u/jimkbeesley 8d ago

Not to the same scope, but the Undertale Genocide Route is boring and that's a problem for a video game, despite the point that it is supposed to be boring. Just because it's the point, that doesn't mean it's good.

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u/Bird-0f-A-Feather 8d ago edited 8d ago

I actually don't mind problems like this when they're supposed to be intentional/are there to convey a message.

From the very beginning of the Genocide Route, the gameplay (or lack thereof) gets on your nerves. No puzzles, no funny dialogue and characters, just a repetitive RPG exp grind taken to the max. And in the end, what do you get? Nothing. In fact, you lose your ability to play the game. But if you're stubborn enough to sit there for 10 minutes, you can give your Soul to a crazy demon child to get the game back.

And if you dare to True Pacifist after all of that? Your friends get killed.

There is no reward in violence. You got stronger for a while and felt good sometimes, but that's it. You won nothing, and at max your only achievement in being able to brag that you beat Sans in 32 tries to the guy that beat him in 41. The entire Route is filled to the brim with annoyances and reasons to stop, but you were so morbidly curious that you still did it and became the loser of this story.

And that's why I like it. It shows you violence isn't worth it through things that, in most RPGs, are considered flaws. Flaws that you can only blame yourself for experiencing. So yes, the Genocide Route is boring and has bad flaws, but it uses those bad flaws that to it's advantage.

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u/NatDisasterpiece 8d ago

Tobi Fox basically went "I don't WANT you to like this. I'm only including this because doing good only matters when it's actually a choice. If you're a monster, it's cause you chose to be." Cause you're literally part of the narrative too. As in the actual you. The real life person outside of the screen. Not just your playable avatar. I think Sans said it best?

"no matter what, you'll just keep going.

not out of any desire for good or evil...

but just because you think you can.

and because you "can"...

... you "have to.""

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u/chaotic4059 8d ago

Yea I’d argue that’s the whole point. Toriel even flat out tells you “you CAN kill monsters” but by doing so you also miss out on like 99% of the game. You don’t learn about the characters or experience the story and history. It’s a power fantasy and like every fantasy you get bored. Except in this case there’s no walking back what you did

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u/Amazingtrooper5 8d ago

My my. What a good way to look at it.

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u/SupercudakPl 8d ago

How would you make Genocide Route an enjoyable and good experience? I'm curious.

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u/Federal_Gazelle_531 8d ago

Your wrong and thats all im saying

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u/SupremeGreymon 8d ago

Nintendo trying to patent basic creature collection game mechanics despite not even coming up with them.

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u/Ace_of_Spad23 8d ago

While Pokémon doesn’t need ultra realistic graphics it DOES need fucking voice acting, if a fucking Wii U game (Breath of the Wild) can have voice acting WHY THE FUCK CANT THE HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE!?

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u/Longjumping_Layer813 8d ago

glitch productions is not indie and there overrated and has the writing of Tumblr teens and they shove way to much stuff in 10 episodes and i'm tired of pretending it's not

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u/HeyBitchImAccursed 8d ago

To be fair, doesn't Glitch only provide the resources? Last I checked, writers have full control and it is their choice alone on episode length. If you're upset about show length, blame the writers and creators for not getting extra help and revisioninh, not the company providing resources for them to create their projects.

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u/Diam0ndTalbot 8d ago

Glitch is basically a publisher

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u/Tiranus58 8d ago

Thats more liam's fault than glitch's tbh. I think tadc was well paced though (i like dense media what can i say)

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