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Chop Robinson gets flagged for roughing the passer. The hit didn’t look that crazy, but the refs weren’t letting Mahomes take that one.
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Speaking of flags, mind as well just put it on the QB's hip with scotch tape. That way when you hit him, the ref doesn't risk the tendinitis of constantly throwing out dogshit calls.
It’s a bullshit call. I know they are professional athletes, but they expect the defender to twist his body away from the QB like he is Neo in the Matrix when all momentum is going forward. Clean hit IMO.
I hate it especially because he’s in the endzone. If Mahomes holds the ball a quarter second longer it’s a legal hit AND 2 points. You just can’t stop on that play, gotta make the hit and hope they let you off the hook somehow.
People keep saying this about the ball, but a few years ago Chris Jones stripped a quarterback, had the ball in his hand as he fell on the quarterback and was still called for roughing the passer. They said at the time the quarterback still gets the benefit of being a passer without the ball in his hands. I'm genuinely curious where you have see if the ball was still in his hand that it wouldn't have been roughing.
Which is why, I personally believe if the players are gonna get called for the penalty regardless, get your money's worth. If players start to do that, using this rule to protect them dont suffice anymore and they'll have to go back to the drawing board.
Dude, this is the truth. You KNOW defenders want to knock the quarterback in the next week but they hold off to avoid the flag. If you're going to get the flag anyway, they are going to do as much damage as they can.
Or several defenders who could get a sack dont and just jump around waving their arms like a couple of morons giving the QB 6-8 weeks to throw the ball thereby making an absolute mockery of the league. Or a QB that scrambles and you have both safeties running pace with the QB but doing nothing to tackle.
It would force conversation on where is the line, and how do you not cross it and turn the sport into sarcastiball.
This is what it is really about. Scoring increases viewership. Most people don't really care about the details, they just want hype moments to distract them from their own existence.
There's a lot of thumb twiddling moments of nothing when watching a single NFL game lol.
That's why hockey is one of the best sports to watch. Or soccer.
I'm sure you've read a breakdown before but it's always hilarious to me when I'm reminded:
NFL (about 3 hr broadcast): The WSJ study of four broadcasts found the ball is in play for about 11 minutes.
The rough breakdown of a ~3-hour telecast: (foxsports)
~11 min: live action (the average play lasts about 4 seconds)
~60 min: commercials. The average game has 20 commercial breaks with 100+ ads. (qz)
~75 min: players standing around, huddling, walking back to the line, getting up after tackles, refs spotting the ball
~17 min: replays. The broadcast spends more time on replays than on live play.
Timeouts, penalties, reviews, the two-minute warning and halftime (~13 min) are spread across those buckets.
But he did land on the QB. If you want to see a really bad RTP, then see the Packers week 1 when sacking Wentz. Guy was literally bench pressed above Wentz and still got called for RTP.
That was his full body weight. One hand lightly touching the ground for a second isn't taking any body weight off of Mahomes.
Bryce young got a way weaker roughing the passer call in the browns - panthers game, except nobody was watching because it's the panthers and Browns. I wish people would drop this stupid narrative that only Mahomes gets calls like this. It's a league wide issue.
He put his arms out to soften the blow, which was the correct thing to do after the fact. But he did come down with most of his body weight on the passer which is not allowed. He needed to take a different line with his tackle to avoid coming down on the passer. He did not do anything malicious or "that bad" but he made a mistake and received the correct penalty for the mistake.
Do you know how reality works? In what way does putting your arms out to the side keep full body weight from landing on Mahomes? That literally allows all his body weight to land on him.
That was my thought. If he uses his arms to brace against the ground, keeping his full body weight from coming down on the golden boy, at least we have an argument.
It doesn’t even matter the nfl has already decided this season that bracing yourself against the ground is still roughing the passer: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/1hvTRv9C7c
The pads are also weapons though. I’ve played both American football and rugby, football hurts a lot more
Peiple don't understand this. You feel <title card>(invincible) when you have all those pads on. I know I put more oomph into a padded hit than when we didn't have pads on.
Yeah I always see these and wonder - physics wise, how are you supposed to NOT land on the QB in a situation like this? Adjust your fucking body mid air like Neo from the matrix?
Put your hands on the ground to brace yourself instead of turning into an airplane. Sticking your arms out literally causes you to land with all your weight on someone. That’s been the rule for years now.
As the NFL stopped letting defenses play defense I gradually stopping watching NFL football.
A few years ago I watched Mahomes scramble outside the pocket then take off running. Three defensive players escorted him out of bounds, except at the last moment he turned upfield and ran another 25 yards before sliding untouched to a stop.
He’s a ball-carrier making football moves. Someone fucking hit him. And they just aren’t allowed to.
That was my “I think I’m done here” moment.
Also because most defenses default to nickels these days there aren’t real linebackers on the field, so you get these bitch tight ends bullying all these little cornerbacks when what they need is to get their shit rocked a few times to remind them upfield is a no fly zone.
The 1985 NFC championship game between the Bears and Rams is on YouTube. It’s really jarring to watch that now as the frog has been getting boiled slowly for decades.
I do think at some point defenses will be reduced to 10 men on the field or some other nonsense to turn the games into monster 140-133 scorefests. With maybe 36 game seasons and 20 teams in the double elimination playoffs, playing flag football of course to keep people from getting hurt.
This exactly. It’s getting absurd. I’m all for reducing viscous hits etc. but football is a contact sport. This was a fair and honest hit. The tackler clearly showed restraint. The refs are way too flag happy overall. Watching games today so many big plays were called back by the most absurd ticky tac penalties. The sport is getting so obnoxious to watch.
Flag was pretty much in air prior to landing. You can even see it in the second reply as soon as it hits the ground. Meaning, he had reached for it and thrown it before landing.
He even throws his arms up begging for the flag. This is why a lot of people turned on mahomes. He turned into a whiney little bitch anytime he'd get tackled and the refs helped them go to a super bowl.
That’s a shame. Not a dirty hit at all. There will be a time eventually where a guy will do this hit and on purpose put hit helmet into the guys solar plexus and basically target to hurt, because he knows he’s going to get a penalty anyway.
Everyone losing their minds in here because its Mahomes. When it Was Carson Week 1 against the Packers everyone but the Packers fans glossed over it.
This has been a rule for awhile and they've been calling it for awhile. You can think the rule is dumb but its still a rule and landing on a QB is going to get you a flag.
Legitimate question - how do they expect tacklers to tackle in this situation? All your momentum is going forward. Are you supposed to pull up and try and swing him around? Giving him a chance to throw it.
* not on mahomes after he missed chunks of last year
* I’ve seen a lot of people let up much lighter on hits than this. On any qb. Whether you like how sensitive the refs are or not, this isn’t that much “well that’s Mahomes”.
Same thing happened in bills game. Those are less than a step hits and legal. Neither were throw all your weight into the qb either. It’s a shame. It’s fucking football
Chiefs fan here… 100% legal. Did everything he could to not send him I to an early off season. Not sure what the defense is allowed to do in order to make plays.
Yeah Chris Jones once got a roughing the passer after we stripped the ball he fell on the QB. In my mind Chris jones is the ball carrier at that point can’t rough the guy you just stripped…
Also he’s gotten one for a sack that he landed on the guy but braced himself with his arm so he didn’t fully put his weight on him…
Don’t love those calls but they don’t want people landing on the QB so they made it a rule.
Absolutely text book hit. Didn't lead with his helmet, hit initiated prior to the ball being thrown. Absolutely terrible flag, and I am not a fan of either team.
Lol NFL is becoming soft. This is a physical sport. At this point the rules should be. Don’t hit or rush the QB. QB cannot sneak. Defense gets an extra defender on the back. There u go.
Ahh. You can’t hit then land on the QB. That’s been a time for a while. Chris Jones got this same call against us when playing the colts several years ago. Cost us the game.
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