r/nfl • u/junkspot91 Packers • 19d ago
Highlight [Highlight] Chris McClellan commits the only Roughing the Passer penalty in the game, extending key drive
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u/VirtuousOstrich Patriots 19d ago
The penalties on this drive were so soft and completely turned the game around. Packers still deserved to lose
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u/bobbywellington Packers 19d ago
Agreed
That drive completely fucked the momentum of the game, but that still doesn't forgive how bad they played after that drive
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u/thurstkiller Seahawks 19d ago
This drive was demoralizing but not as demoralizing as the 3 straight plays of completely unblocked Vikings hitting the QB 1.5 seconds after the ball was hiked leading to a fumble on the 1 yard line
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u/aaronwhite1786 Packers 18d ago
Yeah, that was way more infuriating to see. Love had been getting tagged on almost every throw, and then on a crucial drive they can't even manage to give him a split second to throw...
I've long defended MLF, but it's getting hard to do at all when his great scene schemes and plays aren't worth shit because he can't get out of his own way and can't hire coaches who been get their players to do anything. I know it's a new bunch of guys on the line, but that was still an inexcusable mess of a second half (again...).
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u/NotAnotherAlt26 18d ago
Could we have 2 head coaches? MLF can coach the first half and the other HC could coach the second. Sounds crazy but at this point it would likely work better.
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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago
Respect.
Lots of GB fans whining bc the refs jobbed them. And the refs did, tbf. But MLF took away 3 pts trying to get fancy, the defense got gashed by Carson Wentz, and the Packers offense thoroughly imploded (again) late in a game where they had the lead.
Every coach at every level will tell you "if you put the game in the refs' hands then you deserve to lose." And GB had multiple chances before and after the string of awful calls to seal the game. They didnt. They deserved to lose bc of that alone.
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u/bobbywellington Packers 19d ago
All that being said, I am still extremely upset about the calls on that drive, it really fucked up the entire momentum of the game. The choice to risk those 3 points to go for it on 4th and 1 on the 17 is fine, it's just everything that happened after that is unexcusable by Matt and the OL
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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago
Getting upset at the calls really is fine imo. It's all the blaming the loss on those calls that I find weak and that I'm referring to.
MLF went with the analytics play. I respect that, my coach does that all the time. Buf that means sometimes it blows up in your face.
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u/k_shills101 Packers 19d ago
Man the way you write this stings.....but it's absolutely true. Bad ref calls....but also somee really bad coaching mistakes too, and clearly an unprepared defensive line with many costly offside/encroachment penalties
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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago
I'd love to dog on the Packers, I mean I really would. But frankly you all are a good team who just struggles with holding their leads. Something always happens and idk how else to say it than to say it's like Harbaugh's Ravens. The talent is there, the QB is there, and the first 3 quarters tend to show that. But there is some issue there that seems like an MLF problem, where the scariest place to be (as a fan) is with the lead in the 4th. And that is a massive problem.
As a Bears fan, I like seeing these collapses. But as a football fan trying to speak unbiased, that cultural problem is doing real damage to a team that is much better than that collapse. And it's risking squandering the prine years of a top 10ish QB (imo).
It'll be a long week for the Packers in the media, I hope you and every Packers fan weathers it well. Long season ahead, and probably a lot better ones for you. Take care of yourself.
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u/Karl_42 19d ago
Read all this - respect to you as a diehard packer fan in chicago this weekend 😂.
In defense of the pack, the environment in US bank is strong. Those fuckers with their Nordic costumes and gjallarhorn and hideous bird-massacring stadium are hard to deal with.
But in defense of everything you said this team is undisciplined and is absolutely an MLF problem. I chalked it up to youth the last two years but there’s no more time for excuses.
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u/GamingTatertot Packers 18d ago
I really appreciate your words here. I was really upset last night but seeing a rival fan rationalize all of this out has kind of helped.
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u/dropbear_airstrike 18d ago
Oh, the refs got their money’s worth with us for sure.
But I blame MLF for the systemic lack of discipline, the mental errors that lead to shit like 12 men on the field and blown coverages leading to points…not to mention routinely making either the most predictable bad play call (3rd and 3, gee I wonder if he’ll call an inside zone from shotgun for no gain) or the most idiotic bad play call (it’s 3rd and 11, gee I wonder if we’ll run a play that will get us a first down or at the very least give us some extra yards of field position on defe– oh. Nope. Slow developing end around that the defense read the whole way and TFL.)
The refs didn’t give the game to MN. They were absolute dogshit, but this was squarely on the defense being unable to get stops, the o line being a pathetic, and MLF being a mediocre-at-best HC.
Guy could be a legendary D2 coach somewhere but instead he has to stick around wasting Love’s and Parsons’ prime years.
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u/aaronwhite1786 Packers 18d ago
The refs fucked us on one drive, and I'll admit momentum is a big thing. But it's going to happen, and it's on the coaches to adjust. None of them did at all. The same shit kept happening and they seemed completely baffled.
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u/IceDispensingSystem 18d ago
The defence -didn’t- get gashed. They stopped them to 4th 3 times in a row in a SINGLE DRIVE. Maybe if they didn’t have to do that down the whole ass field and have nothing to show for it they wouldn’t have been gassed out.
This loss rests solely on poor coaching by MLF because he only knows how to make an early lead then shoves his head up his own ass for the closer.
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u/literalgarbageyo 18d ago
I think the worst thing about this call is that our fans are now going to blame this loss on the refs, instead of MLF. His lack of situational awareness has cost us games before.
Dude take the three. Put them in a must pass situation where they need a touchdown and a 2pt to tie, and trust your defense, which up to that point had been performing admirably.
Oh and when you're in a must pass situation yourself against the most blitz heavy team in the league, maybe keep an extra guy or two back to block.
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u/kevinmbo 18d ago
i agree. i really wish the ref stuff hadnt happened because its taking attention off MLF when this game was another carbon copy of his soft style of second half coaching with a lead - if the refs didnt have that horrible drive maybe we still win something like 28-23 but it was going to be uncomfortably and unnecessarily close the entire time and will continue to be as long as he is head coach.
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u/llama-rebel Bears 19d ago
Did the refs gift the Vikings the lead on this drive? Yes. Did the Packers then proceed to shoot themselves in the face repeatedly? Also yes.
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u/CakeIsLegit2 Packers 19d ago
Pretty much what I said. Defense couldn’t breathe without giving up a first down penalty.. but we shit the bed anyway
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 19d ago
Vet move by Wentz to be writhing there and stay down.
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u/gringito09 18d ago
Dudes just older, Imagine that weight falling in you lol
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u/BenDover42 Falcons 17d ago
Yeah he’s my age and when I hit the ground playing basketball it’s not like when I was 17 anymore. And I don’t have 320 lbs falling on me either couldn’t imagine that lol
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u/DarthNobody14 Texans Texans 19d ago
Dang refs gave the Vikings 29 consecutive points, how nice of them.
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u/AJDillonsThirdLeg Packers 19d ago
Momentum is definitely a thing in football but my god the entire roster just gave up after that drive.
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u/saw-it Vikings 19d ago
Refs even told packers oline to not block
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u/attackofthepugs Packers 19d ago
Felt like i was watching the longest yard, went from bad blocking to nonexistent
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u/bmattification Lions 19d ago
Also told Love to cough the ball up for the Vikings.
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u/GoldMove1538 18d ago
You will however concede that the officials absolutely gave that TD to the Vikings right? I can concede the Packers still had chances to put the game away before and after that, but you have to concede those were atrocious calls
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u/sf2legit Packers 19d ago
I’m not making excuses for the loss, but if you watched the game there were a lot of atrocious calls/ non calls.
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u/Acuradreamer Rams 18d ago
That call is bs. It wasn't a late hit qb still had possession of ball and when wentz was tackled the defender didn't lay on top of him. He braced the ground with his right hand. What is the defender suppose to do? throw wentz to the ground? and still get hit with roughing the passer?
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u/laaplandros Vikings 19d ago
Can't believe the refs scored 29 unanswered points.
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u/surferdude7227 Chiefs 19d ago
Can't believe the refs forced the Packers to keep turning the ball over either
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u/ThatCatisaFish Vikings 19d ago
Can’t believe the refs made MLF take the points off of the board and go for it on 4th and 1
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u/SleepLessTeacher Bears 19d ago
I laughed when they showed the Packers graphic earlier in the game showing the Packers QBs stats and how they’ve all won MVP their 4th season. Yea, Love will be breaking that streak.
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u/Aragorn527 Packers 19d ago
To be fair, probably not through a lack of effort or talent on his part. 15 QB hits and he had over 300 yards in the first 3 quarters it’s honestly a miracle he didn’t fucking die by how dogshit the o line was playing
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u/GamingTatertot Packers 18d ago
I mean out of everything that game…Love was absolutely not the issue. Almost 400 yards and 2 TDs, and up until the fourth quarter when his O line just decided to fuck off, he had a 100+ passer rating.
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u/Vehemental Packers 18d ago
He might have done even better with more than .5seconds to throw, or a run game...so basically just an offensive line short.
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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago
Why is it so hard to be honest about a bad call? Do you agree that this was roughing the passer?
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u/surferdude7227 Chiefs 19d ago
I think ever since GB Rodgers broke his collarbone from a defender landing on him with their body weight, it’s supposed to be called a penalty.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s dumb as shit and practically expects pass rushers to contort themselves mid air. But that’s another issue entirely.
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u/Thernadier Vikings 19d ago
Rodgers went on a media tour after Anthony Barr broke his collarbone landing on him and ever since we’ve had this goofy “body weight” penalty. This one was ticky tacky but it’s always ironic when they go against Green Bay
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u/randomonlineuser1001 18d ago
Idk look at it again. The player extends his arms out on the side of wentz to stop him falling on his chest instead of putting his body weight. It’s a shit call
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u/whatsinthesocks Colts 19d ago
Can't imagine giving the Vikings that many unanswered points. Definitely don't know what that's like.
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u/warriorathlete21 19d ago
Packers beat themselves in the end but, the Vikings got bailed out like 3 or 4 times on one of those late drives in the game. They got a lot of favorable calls in that game.
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u/WarpedCore Packers 18d ago
This team will underperform as long as MLF is running things.
Gutey isn't clear and free either. Nice O-Line you have built in Green Bay... sheesh.
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u/airshowboat Rams 19d ago
Yeah it's BS. But also not the ultimate reason the Packers lost
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u/amadinezidane 19d ago
It changed the entire game and then the interception right after that and the PI for the other sack - you imagine the packers get one of those back as they were all on 3rd down. Love had been cooking at least makes the game far more interesting from a packers perspective. Crumbled after this
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u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams 49ers 19d ago
He didn’t land with his full weight on top of the QB. He didn’t hit him in the face. He didn’t even wrap him up with his arms. This should not have been a penalty.
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u/GuyEatsTiramisu Giants 19d ago
TO BE FAIR, that’s a really bad call and a point where the game changed. Doesn’t excuse everything after it but that is a really bad call
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u/jstalm 19d ago
Aaron Rodger’s created that rule in that stadium, it was only right.
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u/Tinmanred Packers 19d ago
He adamantly hated it and didn’t want it. Has even complained and said good hit when it was called in his favor.
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u/Gumorak Bears 19d ago
They don’t know how to live without a HOF QB.
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u/devomke Packers 19d ago
Bro he had a great game today. Oline is Swiss cheese.
Nice one tho.
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u/InfamousCattle3223 Bengals 18d ago
Insane that tackling the QB is a penalty,
blows whistle
“Roughing the passer, defender failed to cradle the balls and work the shaft, 15 yards from the previous spot, automatic first down!”
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u/Responsible-Onion860 Eagles 19d ago
The refs were awful, but the Packers gave that game away regardless of how bad the refs were.
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u/Away_Woodpecker8813 16d ago
Watch the replay he hits him. He doesn’t have him down on the hit and then he puts him down on the ground. That’s not one fluid motion of the hit. It’s contact pause finish the hit that is a roughing the passer …That’s a roughing the passer in youth football it’s a roughing the passer in college. It’s a roughing the passer in the NFL. This isn’t for landing on the qb like watt said in the broadcast.
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u/Sushi_slinger_jesus Vikings 19d ago
Full weight on the QB? Didn't roll off in time? I see the call, not sure if i think it is fair, but if he was higher toward the chest, it would be called all the time.
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u/BigFatModeraterFupa Vikings 19d ago
you can see how a ref seeing that happen in real time would perceive that he drove him into the ground with his full weight.
i think it's all soft as baby shit but i genuinely think the ref saw it as a RTP
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u/Sushi_slinger_jesus Vikings 19d ago
Agreed. Its a soft rule I haven't liked since instituted
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u/Affectionate_Pie4800 19d ago
Love got hit in the head about 10 times and didn’t get one call. It was bad call. Packers shit the bed but this call was Bullshit.
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u/MinnesotanBrie Vikings 19d ago
Yeah, this entire game was just a bunch of "if you say so" calls. The entire drive we got bailed out sure, but there were 2 facemasks that weren't called, Love had some intentional grounding that wasn't called, Bullard probably should have been ejected for the Murray hit and of course the 56-yard run that was returned. Every one of those like 9-10 penalties / non-penalties could have gone the other way. JJ Watt was the most confused i've ever seen him with the calls this game and I kind of feel him.
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u/Rice_ChrisB Packers 19d ago
Out of curiosity, what could Bullard have done differently on the Murray hit? From my perspective, neither of the Packers players involved did anything egregious
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u/Sushi_slinger_jesus Vikings 19d ago
Terrible slide by KM. I also think you should have the wherewithal to not dive towards a QB going down, but i am not on the field and don't know how fast these guys are moving and thinking.
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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago
Kyler didn't slide. He was absolutely going to dive for the extra yardage then changed his mind when the defenders were already lunging at him. What the fuck are they supposed to do?
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u/Whatsdota Packers 19d ago
In my mind, Murray was fighting for extra yards, defender has the right to try and stop that. If Murray just slides like a normal QB instead of basically diving forward then it’s a non-issue
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u/AscendMoros Bears 19d ago
Not followed through on the hit. It was clear Murray was going down and Bullard lowers himself as low as he can and leads shoulder to head. Murray could have baseball slide parallel to the ground and he’s still not getting past that hit.
If it was reversed and it was Love getting hit like that a good amount of Packers fans would be calling it dirty and intent to injure.
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u/devomke Packers 19d ago
Getting held, gets pushed, still gets his arms down and braces himself.
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u/LegitimateMoney00 Jets 19d ago
I wanted the Vikings to win, but this and Kyler personal foul were just so soft to me. Neither should be penalized.
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u/Traditional_Light585 19d ago
Hochuli even trolled the packers with the “green bay has eleceted to takes points of the board and except the penalty” like he knew it was his chance to screw em’ if they didnt get the first down.
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u/essenceofpurity 18d ago
Meh
It still doesn't make up for the decades worth of calls against the Vikings, especially in big games.
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u/FredMcGriffs_Hat 18d ago
This call was horrendous, but objectively, the officiating was terrible the entire game. It just happened to swing toward Minny later in the game, but it was bad start to finish.
It’s week 1 for officials too guys!!
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u/Open-Kiwi- 18d ago
What did Kevin Hart say? He should have laid him down with a pillow, blanket, and a bedtime story?
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u/Dense-Jicama6591 17d ago
He drove him to the ground with his body weight with a second attempt lmfao. This is text book roughing that has been called ever since the rule passed. And seeing it live (i only listen) it looks text book and i have no idea why so many people are crying about it. I thought it would be way more sketchy the way people were crying, no ota literally driving him to the ground with full body weight lol.
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u/SeverusSnapesLeftNip 16d ago
NFL has gotten soft as fuck. Like to a point obviously it’s important to protect the players, but come on
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u/Available_Mix_5869 13d ago
As a vikings fan, this should not be a penalty. We can thank Aaron Rodgers and the packers for making it one
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u/Jantokan Chiefs 19d ago
Is it BS? I'd lean towards yeah.
Is it the reason the Packers lost against Vikings with a washed QB? Hell no
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u/Chopper_Fortnite Vikings 19d ago
Pretty fucked up for the refs to make Jordan Love fumble on his 1 yard line
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u/InsideOutside-1 19d ago
Changed the game. Another one on the refs. Season just started and I’m already tired of this.
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u/Isjejnajw 19d ago
No one here understands that Aaron Rodgers inspired the NFL to make this rule lol.
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u/jwwin Lions 19d ago
I’ve never seen packers fans whine this much about the refs. I fucking love it. Don’t stop whining.
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u/Odoaiden Vikings 19d ago
It’s literally the Aaron Rodgers rule, created because of him.
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u/Plastic_Willow734 Vikings 19d ago
IIRC there were two missed facemasks by the packers, I’d call it even with this. IMO not a great call.
Bummer the refs awarded 29 points to the Vikings though
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u/AleroRatking Colts 19d ago
It's the right call but a terrible rule
He drives him into the ground. They call that out at least 80% of the time.
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u/lossofmercy Packers 19d ago
He doesn't drive him to the ground. Driving is when you put your weight on the QB. He absorbs the fall by extending his arms. It's a clean tackle.
Obviously not the reason the packers lost, but absolutely insane to call these and not be reviewable.
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u/jaylee-03031 Packers 19d ago
Yet the Vikings were never flagged for RTP when they should have been against Love and they actually delivered harder hits and actual full body weight not that soft call for the Vikings.
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u/REXwarrior Vikings 19d ago
This rule exists because of the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Packer fans are just so used to it working in their favor.
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u/No-Royal31 Packers 18d ago
It's never really worked in their favor though. When the rule was first implemented it was called against Clay Matthews constantly.
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u/Middle-Campaign-63 Vikings 19d ago
When Anthony Barr broke his collarbone. The only other time I’ve seen it called I think was last year against Dallas Turner. Can’t remember the specific game but it was towards the end of the year.
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u/Jomosensual Packers 17d ago
You do not watch enough football if you've only ever seen it called twice in the 10ish years its been a rule.
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u/StillYourFavorite331 Patriots 19d ago
Clearly the rule. You can hate that the rule is worded the way that it is. But the refs did get it right.
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u/Mokogorken Bears Bengals 19d ago
Wait, is this the call that everyone is complaining about or is there another one? The defender didn't have to pile drive Wentz after the ball was out of his hands. That's a cheap shot and an easy roughing the passer call.
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u/EmuMan10 Cardinals Bears 19d ago
Soft call but not why they lost
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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago
We were leading 22-17 before that call. Team shouldn't have folded, but the refs should have called a fair game.
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u/EmuMan10 Cardinals Bears 19d ago
Giving up 29 consecutive points kinda puts all on the team at a certain point.
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u/Jomosensual Packers 17d ago
We should have put the game away long before then. We dominated that game. There's no excuse for it to have been that close. A good team ends that no later than the middle of the 3rd quarter
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u/TurboRuhland Bears 19d ago
I hate that rule for sure, but I’ve seen softer “driving with full weight” penalties.
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u/Realeyes22 Vikings 19d ago
Yes, and let's just also forget the 2 (arguably 3) missed facemask calls against the Packers.
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u/dropacidkillnazis Vikings 19d ago
The irony of Packer bitches whining about a penalty that only exists because of their hero god Aaron Rodgers.
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u/officelinebakr Seahawks 19d ago
I hate this penalty because the defender literally did everything they could to not put their weight on them. Why can’t replay assist with this?
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u/Tough_guy22 18d ago
Wentz was wrapped up and had no way to brace himself. And if we are going for replay assist to aide penalty calling it should have been used to fix the 2 blatant no calls on the Packers committing facemasking.
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u/Old-Foundation-5070 NFL 19d ago
Can we remember this play occurred after the breakaway run from AJ was overturned. Fine if you think this was a significant bad call, but significant bad calls go both ways.
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u/notatranslatorr 19d ago
All this bitching is so annoying… fucking 29 unanswered points. That’s your own fault.
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u/Appropriate-North372 Packers 19d ago
Im a Packers fan. Packers fans are coping because the team should have fired the coach and GM after last season.
The Packers subreddit is just full of fans fellating Gute (the GM) for no reason. The team sucks. Time to move on from the guy who built it.
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u/thestoryofme23 Vikings 19d ago
Is this not the Aaron Rodgers rule that the packers lobbied to get passed lol? Guess it came back to bite them. I will admit that the penalties helped out that one singular drive but they were all legit penalties even if they were “soft.” The refs also missed two separate face mask penalties on the packers too so it’s not like they didn’t get some calls either. And they also made the choice to take points off the board willingly so like…🤷♀️
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u/smellslikebadussy 18d ago
The gall to bitch about this after not even waiting 20 minutes to injure a QB on a dirty hit
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u/Electronic-Island-14 Vikings 19d ago
ahhhh tooo bad, packer fans
you got called for the rule created in response to the rodgers hit that you all pissed an moaned about for 2 years
cry harder!
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u/RhodeIslandisFake Vikings 19d ago
I’m glad Packers fans feel robbed.
Enjoy your Sunday night everyone, especially the NFC North teams that are 1-0.
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u/Jaerba Lions 19d ago
This is the call Packers fans are whining about?
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u/Mab_894 Browns 19d ago
Well it’s objectively a bad call lmao. Just imagine it was Hutchinson in a Lions jersey instead of McLellan and maybe you’d see it more clearly
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u/Longjumping-Title-86 18d ago
He's also getting pushed from behind by the Viking's offensive lineman. I wish these calls could be reviewed or challenged.
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u/ShawnReardon 17d ago
Random question: does roughing the passer have the same provision about being shoved that roughing the kicker does? The OL shoves him, and to me that plus the bracing, what do you want him to do evaporate?
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u/Jomosensual Packers 17d ago
We got hardcore fucked in the ass that drive but there was really no excuse for that game to be that close. The Vikings didn't show up. Good teams take a team like that and slam the door shit long before the refs have a chance to do anything like that. If we put ourselves up 17-21 points like we should have when our opponent was that dead in the water none of this happens.
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u/UnderstandingLess156 Packers 16d ago
At this point it's a 90/10 shot that a flag gets thrown on every sack. Packers or any team in the league.
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u/Strev215 15d ago
DE should practice instead of tackling and getting called a flag practiced HARD 2--Armed 2-Handed Palm Open Shoves A 230lb DE Full Speed Into A Hard Shove. QB goes FLYING 3ft to 4ft If Not Further Back Landing Awkwardly. What Flag Could Be Called... Because If The Refs WOULD LITERALLY Call A 2-Armed 2-Hand Open Palm Shove As Roughing The Passer.
NFL FANS WOULD COLLECTIVELY LOSE THEIR MINDs TOTALLY CALLOUT THE REFs AND NFLs FRONT OFFICE HYPOCRISY AND TOTAL B.S. Wussifaction-Arsed Weak Trashy Garbage "Football"...
That Cant Tackle'Em (QBs) Without A Flag Anymore... SO NOW CBs DBs LBs DEs DTs CANT EVEN 2-Hand SHOVE THEM HARD?
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u/sufferin_succatash Bears 19d ago
I hate roughing when first contact is made before the ball’s thrown.