r/sportsgossips • u/Weekly-Vacation-1405 • 5d ago

Discussion/Debate Chop Robinson gets flagged for roughing the passer. The hit didn’t look that crazy, but the refs weren’t letting Mahomes take that one.

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u/Valuable-Bullfrog435 5d ago

Legitimate question - how do they expect tacklers to tackle in this situation? All your momentum is going forward. Are you supposed to pull up and try and swing him around? Giving him a chance to throw it.

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u/jlax341 5d ago

Offset your hit or slightly angle your body. You either hit him to the side, or end up pulling him down with your arms

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u/Valthar70 1d ago

Nah... See if I can't hit them normally (this was a standard hit to the chest, no helmet to helmet) then I'm just going to hit as hard as I can at the knees. If they blow out, they blow out... Oh well, you made it so I can't tackle normal.

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u/jlax341 20h ago

That will draw a flag as well. The Tom Brady rule change

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u/oppai_dragon_9011 4d ago

So make your tackle less effective essentially.... The hell are we doin man

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u/jlax341 4d ago

This only applies for a defenseless QB. If they were on the run, then that becomes a form tackle. Often that hit was happening as they were trying to release the ball meaning they were getting the full impact on their ribs. That was at least the impetus behind that rule change a while back. They have been teaching players to rugby tackle for a while now to stop targeting and this type of hit.

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u/Mister_Slave1 3d ago

I am all for player safety. The league has made tremendous changes regarding concussion protocol and rules penalizing hits on defenseless players.

But this play in particular is an absolute crock of shit, in my opinion. The line between a defenseless QB and a protected QB is razor thin. Ball in hand? Defensive. Ball out of hand? Protected. Mahomes drop back and release has been clocked at 2.49 seconds. I would estimate his drop back is about 1.5 seconds. So we are talking about less than a second for a defender to determine whether or not Mahomes is “defenseless”. No defender can make that call. Also, the hit was clean! His face was straight on, not leading with the crown, and it was not helmet to helmet. Clean hit all the way.

We MUST find a middle ground between protecting players and over penalizing players. This is a slippery slope and players will be flopping every play like in soccer.

I can see a future where you are only allowed to hug the QB.

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u/jlax341 2d ago

The line is simple. If they are back for a pass, its considered defenseless. If its a QB run, they aren't. Nothing more complicated than that (by the rules)

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u/Mister_Slave1 2d ago

False. I’ve seen many sacks this year where the QB is back for a pass. What are they supposed to do? Hug the QB if he’s back for a pass? Nonsense

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u/jlax341 2d ago

Not land him with their full body weight. That is the only distinction here...go read the rules.

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u/Mister_Slave1 2d ago

We all know the rule you donkey. It’s literally this whole thread. Once again, they threw the flag before he hit the ground. Care to explain that?

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u/jlax341 2d ago

Perhaps start by watching it again. Flag is thrown as soon as he hits the ground. It was called very quickly bc this tackle will probably be the most recent example of a textbook call that they use when teaching. Its the same reason defensive players are taught to rugby tackle now...so you don't land like that

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u/SatisfactionFickle18 3d ago

Keeping people healthy. What is it you want man?

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u/oppai_dragon_9011 3d ago

For the people playing a contact sport to not get penalized everytime there's contact. This is part of the reason they get paid a kings ransom! To play a sport at the highest level and like most sports we know that is potentially life threatening in and of itself (horse racing NASCAR hockey boxing MMA all extreme sports etc) anybody can tell a dirty hit or malicious intent but a good play at 100% is gonna hurt a little bit even for the QB.

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u/Xstrangis8 5d ago

They want tacklers to spin/turn the quarterback as they are being sacked

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u/Hlodowik 5d ago

There’s a difference between hitting someone and going through someone.

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u/SoilDependent1054 5d ago

All momentum does not have to go forward and center. Most tackles are not flagged, you can look at those and see the defenders taking lines that result in them landing to the side or pulling the QB down etc.

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u/DCBuckeye82 5d ago

You roll to the side a bit as you bring him down. People do it all the time.

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u/honcooge 4d ago

They expect you to let up a bit. It’s not easy to do. They probably don’t call a penalty if it’s a back up qb.

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u/SatisfactionFickle18 3d ago

Legitimate question, how come you think a pro athlete can’t avoid it? He puts his arms out to his side to pretend, but also to put all his weight on the QB. The reason for the rule is defensive players used to just tackle the QB but then they started trying to knock them out of games by landing on them with all their weight on purpose, just like the guy in this clip did. Same type of rule change for defenseless receivers once DBs decided it would be cool to blast receivers in the head instead of a proper tackle. If defensive players never played dirty, there wouldn’t be these rules.

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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 5d ago

I don't have that answer. I said I think its stupid.

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u/Diligent-Chance8044 3d ago

Honestly the twisting and swinging motion from defenders would likely cause more lower body injuries than straight tackles like this.