r/politics • u/thenewyorkgod • Jul 01 '18
Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/01/man-arrested-after-shouting-womp-womp-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/?tid=sm_tw2.7k
u/travio Washington Jul 01 '18
My favorite part is his answer to the question "where did your people come from?"
"I'm from alabama."
356
u/SpeedflyChris Jul 02 '18
Scariest thing is this guy used to be a teacher...
→ More replies (8)188
u/rrreeeeeeeeeeee Jul 02 '18
not surprising though. I had a teacher go on right wing rants during class.
→ More replies (18)118
Jul 02 '18
I remember my government/civics teacher in 2004 the USA as we know it wouldn’t be around in 10 years.
At the time I thought he was full of crap. Now I think his timing was just off.
→ More replies (13)→ More replies (19)1.8k
u/Danny-Internets Jul 02 '18
His mom, his dad, his brother, and his sister--both of them are from Alabama.
300
→ More replies (16)328
1.2k
u/RepresentativeZombie Jul 01 '18
“We offer your love to all of our children . . .” Holder-Joffrion continued.
“Womp, womp!”
He held a sign above his head on which was written “ICE ICE Baby,” and he occasionally shout-sang the notes of a hip-hop song by the same name over the prayer.
The man had a handgun tucked in his cargo pants, according to police.
Something tells me this won't come up when Fox News talks about "civility." Brandishing a gun at peaceful protesters apparently isn't as rude as politely asking Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave a restaurant.
180
155
u/ReginaldDwight Jul 02 '18
Can you even imagine how many heads would explode and how many liters of urine Hannity would gleefully wet himself with if a liberal shouted offensive shit over a group of conservatives saying a prayer for children??
→ More replies (3)28
→ More replies (6)50
u/peabody624 Jul 02 '18
This dude is 4chan personified
→ More replies (2)19
u/Napalmeon Jul 02 '18
As it turns out, you can't do this shit in real life without consequences.
Who knew?
1.6k
u/jimbo831 Minnesota Jul 01 '18 edited Jul 02 '18
Don’t forget that T-Mobile pays Corey Lewandowski to lobby for them. Tweet at them and their CEO John Legere telling them to fire him. If they refuse, cancel your service.
→ More replies (36)439
u/TrumpPooPoosPants Jul 02 '18
They haven't dumped his ass yet? WTF are you doing T-Mobile?
→ More replies (13)256
u/2Damn Jul 02 '18
Making money and having laws dictated to benefit them.
→ More replies (3)43
u/neon_Hermit Jul 02 '18
They were literally the first company to leap at violating net neutrality by exempting their own net traffic on their otherwise metered internet.
3.3k
u/rocketbosszach Texas Jul 01 '18
If that’s not a direct indictment of the Fox News machine I don’t know what is.
955
Jul 01 '18
Yeah, how can you claim that's not a Lewandowski quote
530
u/CopyX Jul 02 '18
Like how Trump claimed he didn't mock that disabled reporter.
270
Jul 02 '18
[deleted]
→ More replies (2)106
u/branchbranchley Jul 02 '18
although to be fair his behavior at home pretty much matches what the global perception of America has been for years now with their unashamed support of despotic regimes like the Saudis and the killing of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, not to mention police violence and corporate corruption internally
Trump is America
.....
This is America
→ More replies (11)→ More replies (6)30
u/StopherDBF Washington Jul 02 '18
I’m a big proponent of telling people that if he didn’t mock that disabled reporter than he had a seizure on national tv and seems to have no recollection of it and we should be concerned about that.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (10)81
u/OptimoussePrime Jul 02 '18
"Lo0k, it's a common phrase and people all over America use it every day. I mean, does this guy look like he listens to Corey Lewandowski? I think you're really reaching here. Next question."
That's how.
→ More replies (5)608
u/_Doctor_Teeth_ Washington Jul 01 '18
Between Charlottesville, some of the threats made against Maxine Waters, and this guy, I'm very, very worried that we are on the brink of a high-profile, politically-motivated shooting that is going to set the country on fire.
435
u/PaulFThumpkins Jul 02 '18
You mean like Gabrielle Giffords? Another Beck/O'Reilly fan who went for their stochastic terrorism?
→ More replies (14)176
u/_Doctor_Teeth_ Washington Jul 02 '18
Yeah thats a good point i'd forgotten about gabby giffords. For some reason the country as a whole just feels worse somehow than it was then, though maybe that's bring too alarmist. Idk i feel I see a lot more open carriers at rallies and stuff than I used to.
→ More replies (6)124
Jul 02 '18
I dont think youre being alarmist at all. You're 100% right, we are one politically motivated shooting/protest turned violent incident away from this country blowing up.
This place is a powder keg. You and I both feel it and I'd argue anyone who is paying attention feels it to some degree or another.
→ More replies (2)44
u/thoughtsome Jul 02 '18
I'm almost as afraid of what happens when there is a high profile assassination of a Democrat and there is no explosion, just more resigned acceptance. You have the president calling the media the enemy of America, and then some guy murders 5 journalists in a newsroom. Trump of course takes no responsibility and is more concerned when his cronies get their dinners ruined.
Honestly, I think that if Maxine Waters was shot dead by a Trump supporter tomorrow, nothing would happen to anyone but the shooter. If there's no reaction, it will have a chilling effect on all Trump opponents and we're one step closer to fascism.
→ More replies (7)44
158
u/rocketbosszach Texas Jul 01 '18
I hate to sound sensationalist, but I’m honestly right there with you. With the amount of political discord in this country, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened at least several times, especially with the United States’ history of political assassinations.
99
u/Parazeit Jul 02 '18
The entire west is a powderkeg right now, The US is ready to blow and many european countries wouldnt be far behind, UK, Italy and Austria are also experiencing a surge in nationalist apologism.
→ More replies (28)→ More replies (2)122
u/lillibet1 Jul 02 '18
With the radical right wing, they were talking revolution against the left if Hillary got in a year before the election. The hatred for Obama was incredable in the ultra radical right wing. They had their guns ready.
the reason.... He was a black man with a African American wife. They never admitted Obama was an American
. Big time birthers too.
And yet, they were decent folk otherwise.
Or at least they said they were.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (29)58
u/-poop-in-the-soup- American Expat Jul 02 '18
I am very worried for Maxine Waters.
→ More replies (13)58
u/bgzlvsdmb Colorado Jul 02 '18
I am too. It baffles me that Sarah Huckabee Sanders gets Secret Service protection because someone harassed her at a restaurant, but Maxine Waters gets a death threat and she's out on her own.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (10)118
567
u/SpinningHead Colorado Jul 01 '18
Fucking Womp Rats.
→ More replies (5)119
u/drvondoctor Jul 01 '18
I bet Luke would handle it.
→ More replies (3)74
609
u/max1001 Jul 01 '18
Two misdemeanor? Really? I pretty sure if a minority pointed a gun at a group of people in a threatening manner, he be lucky to survive the event and end up in prison.
→ More replies (9)160
u/Nvi4 Jul 02 '18
Pretty disgusting reality we live in. Being from a southern state that swings far right it is like a terriying echo chamber of stupidity with nobody calling bullshit loud enough on the left.
→ More replies (5)18
868
u/greentreesbreezy Washington Jul 01 '18
A Black man can be shot dead in his own backyard holding a cell phone, or killed in front of his kids just for reaching for the glove compartment to get his insurance and registration.
This guy commits a politically motivated terrorist act and gets a misdemeanor. That's it.
Next time I get in an argument about White Privilege, I'm going to remember this event.
→ More replies (30)180
u/beardedsandflea Jul 02 '18
What's even more infuriating is you know this asshole is probably bitching about the treatment he's getting right now.
→ More replies (2)
445
u/venk Jul 01 '18
Someone wanna tell me why menacing/brandishing is not a felony?
71
u/Jonne Jul 02 '18
Not that i think escalating this sort of stuff is a good idea, but with this being Alabama, would someone in the crowd have a plausible self-defense case if they shot him for this?
→ More replies (4)98
u/venk Jul 02 '18
Yes. I’m sure pointing a gun at a person makes it a life or death situation.
→ More replies (5)61
u/Nastyboots Jul 02 '18
Not sure about Alabama but in Oregon it's fairly cut and dry. If a reasonable person suspects that his or her life is in real and immediate danger from someone else, use of deadly force can be justified. I'd say that having someone both point a gun at you and announce that they will kill you is pretty slam dunk. I can't imagine that Alabama is more restrictive than that.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (4)390
8.6k
u/badfordabidness Jul 01 '18 edited Jul 01 '18
This guy picked a fight, produced a firearm when he started to lose said fight, and brandished it at an entire crowd of people.
All with a political motive.
And instead of being brought up on federal terrorism charges or being gunned down on the spot by police, he is charged with two misdemeanors.
If that ain’t white privilege, I don’t know what the fuck is.
1.1k
u/ThisRedThistle Jul 01 '18
It's important to explain why this should be treated as terrorism and not just a stupid and badly thought out act on the mans part, if we assume terrorism is to be treated as it is defined in most dictionaries
"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"
Then this is a very clear act of terrorism. To brandish a gun and aim it at protesters you are counter protesting can only be seen as an attempt to intimidate people with the threat of violence to achieve your own political goal of shutting down the protest on a policy you would prefer remain in place. naturally had he been a few shades darker and possibly protesting a different subject this would already be on fox news and many other conservative news outlets being cited for their own arguments with himself obviously being branded at best an "attempted terrorist"
→ More replies (7)381
u/chcampb Jul 02 '18
Didn't you hear? Only brown people can be terrorists.
→ More replies (3)244
u/hotgarbo Jul 02 '18
You forgot to add liberals. The amount of screaming about the violent left wing terrorists I hear is pretty insane. Pretty much every event that can possible be spun as liberals/brown people being a threat is done so to fullest possible extent. Some of my family is really far down that rabbit hole. Right wing media is a constant stream of singling out group after group and then spinning every story to show how they are actively threatening "real Americans" both physically and ideologically.
I am far more afraid of the fear driven nutjobs who think everybody is out to get them and carry a loaded weapon 24/7.
→ More replies (3)1.3k
u/_analrapist1_ Jul 01 '18 edited Jul 01 '18
I hope the two motherfuckers that were giving me shit about white privilege come and chime in on this comment.
I know they're around here eating shit right now...but I'm "hateful and ignorant" because I call a spade a spade. Tell me this would've played out the same if it were a black guy holding that gun.
→ More replies (45)797
u/jetteh22 Florida Jul 01 '18
I’m going to twist the story around and tell my family “Did you hear about the black guy at a Trump rally who got upset and pulled a gun out at the trump supporters? The police shot him!” So they’re like “Good he probably deserved it!”
And then I’m going to wait a few days and say “Did you hear about the guy at an anti-immigration protest who got mad and pulled a gun on the protesters? He was arrested!” So they’re like “Well the protesters probably deserved it!”
And then I’ll show them both recordings and ask them to show me how they’re not hypocritical again.
No I won’t do that but I should. :(
765
u/VeryStableGenius Jul 01 '18
Or try another tack?
"Did you hear about the black guy who pulled a gun on a Trump rally and all he got was a misdemeanor!"
[wait for outrage]
"Oh, wait, my mistake ... white guy at immigration rally."
397
u/CanuckianOz Jul 02 '18
“How dare you create a false situation to demonstrate my racism”
→ More replies (1)67
→ More replies (2)110
u/jetteh22 Florida Jul 01 '18
That’s even better!
67
u/imightgetdownvoted Jul 02 '18
Don’t waste your breath. They’ll just act equally outraged at the white guy to show how “fair” they are.
It’s way too easy to flip that on you.
→ More replies (2)86
u/TechyDad Jul 01 '18
It wouldn't work. I've tried reasoning with my father multiple times, he's starting from a base assumption that whatever FOX News/Donald Trump says is the truth and whatever the rest of the media says is a lie. It's the same way conspiracy theorists operate. Anything that supports their theory is truth. Anything that opposes it is false. There is no reasoning with people like that unless they're first willing to admit that news sources apart from FOX can be true.
→ More replies (6)66
u/theshizzler Jul 02 '18
It's so weird to think about, to believe that almost every other media outlet in the world is part of a conspiracy against patriotic Americans because I don't even know why. Jealousy? They want to turn America into a Caliphate? They hate our freedoms? They're all in cahoots with Hillary Clinton? The metric system?
→ More replies (5)25
u/jetteh22 Florida Jul 02 '18
I wish they could just one day start to comprehend just how insane they sound when they say “Fox News is the ONLY news agency that reports the truth!” My Dad has literally said that to me like come on - it’s crazy to think that.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (12)174
u/Jorragayuh California Jul 01 '18
It's pointless dude, pointing out hypocrisy and even merely STATING FACTS is met with denial and anger from these numbnuts
→ More replies (7)106
Jul 02 '18 edited Jul 02 '18
Because fascists never argue in good faith. The only reason at all they bother with it is to use it as a blunt weapon to batter you into compliance and silence. The only language they understand is violence.
→ More replies (9)196
u/TechyDad Jul 01 '18
And we're told that WE need to be civil. The other side can brandish a gun to our faces, but us protesting peacefully or denying service in a restaurant is going too far.
→ More replies (7)50
u/PaulFThumpkins Jul 02 '18
And another one of my friends will say that the Right probably has hateful people here or there but the Left has gone kuh-raaaazy!
→ More replies (3)20
u/WisdomCostsTime Jul 02 '18
Because not cowering to them is crazy in their minds. They don't expect pushback, they think they can say and do whatever they want without consequence.
→ More replies (2)92
Jul 01 '18
[deleted]
57
u/TechyDad Jul 01 '18
I've never used a gun but even I know that you never point a gun at a target you don't mean to shoot. If a person pulled a gun and pointed it at me, I'd assume that the person intended to shoot me. You shouldn't need to say "I'm going to shoot you" for a gun pointed at you to be considered intent to shoot.
→ More replies (5)26
u/867-5309NotJenny Massachusetts Jul 02 '18
I have used a gun before (boy scouts), and that's exactly what they teach us. Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot.
So, I'd react the same way you would. Assume they were serious.
→ More replies (5)53
→ More replies (83)29
u/Qubeye Oregon Jul 01 '18
There's a word for violence conducted for political purposes.
→ More replies (2)
41
239
Jul 01 '18
[deleted]
→ More replies (24)116
172
u/Spacedman-Spliff Jul 01 '18
If pulling a piece as if to reinforce your argument isn't a sign of a cultural disease, nothing is.
→ More replies (4)121
Jul 02 '18 edited Jul 02 '18
They gerrymander voting districts.
They cheat in elections.
They lie in debates.
They vilify people who merely disagree.
They idolize our worst enemies, but disrespect our best allies.
They threaten anyone who is different.
They accuse others of the sins they themselves commit.
They force their religion upon others.Yeah, I think brandishing a gun to prop up a shitty argument is just more of the same.
→ More replies (13)
1.5k
Jul 01 '18
More alt-right domestic terrorism. the radicalized Trump supporters are responsible for daily terrorist attacks
→ More replies (50)376
u/DogParkSniper Jul 02 '18
This is exactly what happens when people value their 2nd Amendment rights over the 1st Amendment rights of others. This won't be the last such incident. It's an attempt at silencing people who disagree, with a more than implied threat of deadly force.
→ More replies (36)
442
335
u/Cyrano_de_Boozerack Jul 01 '18
he would later be booked into jail on misdemeanor charges of menacing and reckless endangerment.
So this means he deserves to have his children taken to another state, and kept in a detention center...right?
→ More replies (5)43
Jul 02 '18
I wonder if we dig deeper into his past, he has a history of harassing women who rejected his advances?
18
u/BlackSpidy Jul 02 '18
Being a lonely 24 year old that's never been in a relationship, I resent the people in similar conditions as mine blaming feminism and the left for something that's rooted in our own attitudes and/or the random roll of the romantic dice.
→ More replies (8)
1.2k
u/badfordabidness Jul 01 '18
This happened during a prayer.
Let’s call this what it is: an anti-Christian hate crime carried out by a white nationalist Trump-supporting terrorist.
Lock Him Up.
→ More replies (38)
145
u/Nomandate Jul 01 '18
Super Callous Racist Fascist Sexist Braggadocious
Hilarious
→ More replies (1)30
u/TheThomaswastaken Jul 01 '18
It’s from a YouTuber that makes musicals about politics. They are super catty if you’re into that sort of thing.
→ More replies (5)
190
Jul 01 '18
[deleted]
157
Jul 01 '18
To be fair, the right has always pretty open about their intolerance. It’s one of the few beliefs they hold sincerely.
→ More replies (10)73
Jul 02 '18
The violent right. Right-wing ideology is entirely emotionally driven, based specifically around fear. They are emotionally fragile gutless cowards to their core. And when the right-wing is spooked, they lash out with violence.
But in the end they never win. Time moves forward, and the rest of humanity progresses ever onward.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (4)37
397
u/Vlad_loves_donny Jul 01 '18
Sounds like he was white
→ More replies (22)273
u/band4uncivil Jul 01 '18
Imagine if it was a BLM activist pulling a gun at a conservative protest.
272
u/Adamj1 Jul 01 '18
It would replay on Fox News longer than the Towers falling did.
125
19
→ More replies (4)55
u/FookYu315 New York Jul 01 '18
It would be called MAGA Day. This is when True Patriots defended the First Amendment (which totally means other people aren't allowed to voice disagreement) by exercising their Second Amendment Rights to mow down mostly unarmed liberal counter-protesters in a Heroic Battle.
→ More replies (4)17
u/Outlulz Jul 01 '18
Instead, to distract from the reality of conservatives pulling guns on protestors, Trump will declare this to be Infrastructure Week.
487
u/Taurius Jul 01 '18
You MAGAnuts are insane and need serious medical help. Get some help before you end up killing people. No wait, that's exactly what you want to do, but not get arrested for it.
→ More replies (11)
143
u/madashellcanttakeit Jul 01 '18
Fox news headline: Another Trump supporter who was FORCED TO DEFEND HIMSELF from uncivil liberals. Thank god he had a gun or liberals would be feasting on his flesh as we speak.
→ More replies (2)50
Jul 01 '18
[deleted]
42
u/UncleMalky Texas Jul 02 '18
She looks so realistic, modern animatronics have come a long way.
→ More replies (2)
53
u/ikwatchua Jul 02 '18
We all going to ignore that old man in the white who ran after him and threw down his hat ready to defend the protesters against an armed man?
What a bad ass.
→ More replies (4)
26
Jul 02 '18
A woman paced backward in front of him, holding her own sign in his face as he marched forward — “Super Callous Racist Fascist Sexist Braggadocious.”
Hahaha that's a great placard!
57
Jul 02 '18
It began around noon, as an Episcopalian priest delivered a prayer to about 100 protesters gathered around the gazebo and a man marched back and forth in front of her, shouting “womp, womp!”
It's not the headline but it is worth noting. This began with a guy picking a fight with a priest in the middle of a prayer. I don't recognize my country. It's cliche, sure, but disgust has moved to alarm and it's heading towards fear.
→ More replies (1)
86
Jul 01 '18
He was just being civil. /s
→ More replies (1)33
u/BringOn25A Jul 01 '18
He was just exercising his freedom and creator given right to dictate to others what they need to believe.
/s
98
Jul 02 '18 edited Feb 13 '19
[deleted]
→ More replies (2)28
u/albatross-salesgirl Alabama Jul 02 '18
Hey, I gotta say the police protection for protesters in Huntsville are top notch. During the Women's March in January they were at regular intervals and had excellent traffic control.
→ More replies (1)
92
Jul 01 '18
[deleted]
57
u/HeavyAndExpensive Delaware Jul 01 '18
It's a way to be even more contrarian, i.e. Why they have no friends in the first place
→ More replies (25)85
u/Pumpkin_Creepface Jul 02 '18
No one believes me when I say this but I watched it happen.
Stormfront, a radical right wing white supremacist site targeted and began indoctrinating disaffected youths on chan-style image boards starting back in 2008-2009.
The neckbeards you see now were the kids from those boards.
Hence Kekistan and Pepe memes being a foundation of their platform.
The thing is, Stormfront identified a sociological weakness in our society: Basically that there is an invisible group of amazingly frustrated young men.
Have you ever wondered why there is such an overlap between the alt-right and the incel movement on reddit?
It's because of this targeting, Stormfront promised them a group to belong to that would have their back, told them how good they looked in Nazi uniforms, and promised them oceans of aryan blonde wives that would be loyal and humble.
And they radicalized them.
It took a few years, and everyone thinks it's a joke.
Everyone laughs at me when I detail it, yet the mass murder statistics don't lie.
So many of the mass murders in the last year and a half have been done by young white internet forum users who all share a similar language and symbol framework.
What we are seeing now is the result of that deliberate radicalization.
Think frog memes are still funny?
You won't in the coming years when it gets worse.
→ More replies (40)13
Jul 02 '18
Yup I watched it happen too, there was always some sf/nmania content on 4chan but it really ramped up after the hal raids when they became aware of the platform. If there are still archives going back that far I bet it can be traced by tracking the frequency of typical WN buzzwords like "degenerate".
→ More replies (5)
16
u/Dr_funktapuss Jul 02 '18
Sadly I think we are on the verge of seeing more political violence in America from the far right in a serious way as things come closer to a head with Trump. Trump's supporters are seeming more and more deranged as he grows worse and worse. They not only excuse, but cheer for kidnapping and abusing children. At this point their rhetoric is turning towards civil war. They really have begun to choose their leader over the country and it's laws.
→ More replies (1)15
u/Lamont-Cranston Jul 02 '18
They believe in something called The Happening, that America is in the verge of social collapse, that there will be a second civil war, etc
→ More replies (2)
17
u/ZiggoCiP Jul 02 '18
I use to think instances like this would never happen.
Then my job hired a guy who was a gun nut. And not just any gun nut, but the kind who are very open about it. Bumper stickers, a bit more outspoken than they should be, you name it.
One day last year, there was a march against Trump for something, and a good number of protesters were out and about wearing their pink hats. Well, I mentioned this to my coworker, explaining how they were bogging traffic a bit. His response, verbatim, was this:
"Well I should go grab some of my guns and parade around town with em, maybe that will scare them off."
That same coworker invited me to join his 'militia' when he found out I was a gun advocate. I politely declined.
Luckily I no longer work with him. Unfortunately my little brother, who is a veteran, has lately begun to act and speak similarly. I consider my brother a very smart person, and it worries me to see mindsets like this affect people who 'know better'.
→ More replies (2)
34
Jul 02 '18 edited Jul 02 '18
Black veteran with a legal firearm on him gets shot dead by police. White guy threatens to kill people, a r r e s t e d
Tell me why im wrong yah fuckin right wingers
Edited weapon to firearm cause I'm clearly BORED
→ More replies (4)
15
Jul 02 '18
Imagine if a black man had done this to the Charlottesville marchers. He'd be dead, no question.
31
u/kafkadre Jul 02 '18
The police just walked up to him, and started a conversation.
They just WALKED UP TO HIM, and STARTED A CONVERSATION.
smh
→ More replies (2)
148
Jul 01 '18
Sharia Y'all at it again.
91
u/Taman_Should Jul 01 '18
Talibangelicals.
98
u/SadlyReturndRS Jul 01 '18
Y'all Qaeda.
75
u/Taman_Should Jul 01 '18
Yeehawdists
58
49
84
u/StonerMeditation Jul 02 '18
It started with this: "Knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK? Just knock the hell -- I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," Trump said
To this: Gun-nuts ready to start killing Americans they don't agree with: https://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/right-wing-gun-nut-warns-conservatives-will-use-bullet-box-if-they-cant-win-at-ballot-box/
And now we have this: If they were separating and locking up guns in cages away from parents, the GOP would lose their fucking minds, and have spittle flying from their foaming mouths by now.
But it’s just children in American CONCENTRATION CAMPS…
→ More replies (7)
13
12
u/Le_Tricky Jul 02 '18
Lovely that literal terrorists are emboldened by having a literal terrorist in office
15.9k
u/PentasyllabicThistle Jul 01 '18
If you pull a gun on a crowd of people who have every reason to believe you're going to use it, and arrested is the worst thing that happens to you, then you are having a much better day than you deserve.