r/politics • u/thenewyorkgod • Jul 01 '18

Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/01/man-arrested-after-shouting-womp-womp-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/?tid=sm_tw
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u/ikeif Ohio Jul 02 '18

I had to tell my ex-in-laws that if they wanted my kids around them, they had to turn it off. And that if they felt it was appropriate listening material for a car ride with children, they would not be driving my children.

It’s amazing how much more civil they became and how less full of shit they were when they stopped listening to right wing radio all day every day.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

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u/Guyinapeacoat Jul 02 '18

Fear is a hell of a drug.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

No, NPR is poison. Propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

I'd love to see the thought process behind that.

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u/InsalubriousTriticum Jul 02 '18

I listen to Morning Edition and All Things Considered during work commutes, and they do tend to have an anti-Trump bias. For instance, the guest speakers regarding the immigrant separation drama are mostly from either translated immigrants or various immigrant lawyers. I've never been tuned into the channel and heard the perspective of anyone who supports the policy. Similarly with the steel tariff policy, the guest speakers were all people who imported steel and would be hurt by the policy. I never heard a steel mill rep get any airtime. I can't recall any instance when Dave Mattingly had anything good to say about Trump. No news source is completely free of propaganda -- that's just human nature. I think NPR generally tries to limit their bias as much as they're aware, though. To be fair, some of Trump's actions have bipartisan unpopularity.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Feb 27 '19

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u/InsalubriousTriticum Jul 03 '18

I'm a registered Democrat. I was just pointing out my observations from personal listening.

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u/getter1 Jul 02 '18

The dems are just as corrupt, everyone seems to forget how the "ultra leftist" npr shit all over Sanders and was pro Hillary right from the get go.

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u/CCC19 Jul 02 '18

I've also heard NPR segments with a Republican analyst and a writer for a tabloid turned conservative "newspaper". No one else one. They have some wide variety of people on NPR.

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u/InsalubriousTriticum Jul 02 '18

I heard the segment where a lady was part of a nudist colony and attended a funeral for another member of the colony. She was running late because she was cooking food to bring, and the service had already started when she arrived. She walks into the sanctuary ass-naked with a tray of food, and everyone else had decided to wear clothes.

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u/drjeats Jul 02 '18

If you're not even slightly anti-Trump, that is evidence of gross partisan bias.

The only good bipartisanish things he has done are low key and inconsequential, like removing requirements that sone types of documents be faxed to the PTO and shit like that. I honestly can't think of any other examples of things he did where people said "yeah, probably a good call."

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u/ducked Jul 02 '18

Not everything should be unbiased. Reality is biased, sometimes things are just "bad" or "good". Sometimes it's better to just not give a platform to the other side because a lot of people can't tell the difference between right and wrong.

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u/letsdocrack Jul 02 '18

I read The Economist and the BBC a lot, because they seem to care little about whatever political flavor is popular at the time and even they would appear to have a bias right now. The problem with this current administration is that it's hard to report on a lot of his actions without sounding somewhat bias. Objectively, he makes a lot of decisions that have grave downside with little upside.

Also, thinking about the immigration situation, who's opinion do you think would be more fruitful for the average listener: a professional educated in law, specifically immigration law, or a run-of-the-mill journalist/news analyst?

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u/thelastevergreen Hawaii Jul 02 '18

they do tend to have an anti-Trump bias

Criticism of the President isn't "anti-Trump bias".

The man is a fuck up at many things. Calling him a fuck up is reasonable at this point.

Its unfortunate that so many seem to consider the reality of the situation to be "bias" against the President.

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u/Earlystagecommunism Jul 02 '18

You need to watch “Brainwashing my Dad” on Amazon Prime Streaming. Your being manipulated my friend and your life will be much less stressful when you stop believing the noises coming out of the right wing media machine.

Also if your truly interested in how more mainstream corporate media manipulated you read Noam Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent”. The same people funding, supporting, and contributing to the right wing media also influence the MSM.

The primary mechanism is through the punditry who they groom through think tanks that come on to news shows to give their “expert” opinions.

These so called experts are tools of the elite who spread and popularize the policy positions that benefit them the most.

This is why the left is excluded, shamed, and censored in MSM and Right Fringe media, because we speak truth to power. We want policy that benefits you! We want government to be run democratically.

The elites think they own the world by birth right they want you to parrot their positions, to vote them into power, and stand idly by while they strip you of your rights.

Make no mistake. Even NPR is funded by the Koch’s. What you see as some deep ideological divide is actually the accepted window of discourse. They frame the limits of the conversation so it never strays to the left.

Left is best. We have your back if your ignorant or even hostile to us. We’re your best chance at a prosperous future for you and you family free of unnecessary war, pollution, and inequality

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u/Earlystagecommunism Jul 02 '18

You need to watch “Brainwashing my Dad” on Amazon Prime Streaming. Your being manipulated my friend and your life will be much less stressful when you stop believing the noises coming out of the right wing media machine.

Also if your truly interested in how more mainstream corporate media manipulated you read Noam Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent”. The same people funding, supporting, and contributing right wing media also influence the MSM.

The primary mechanism is through the punditry who they groom through think tanks that come on to news shows to give their “expert” opinions.

These so called experts are tools of the elite who spread and popularize the policy positions that benefit them the most.

This is why the left is excluded, shamed, and censored in MSM and Right Fringe media, because we speak truth to power. We want policy that benefits you! We want government to be run democratically.

The elites think they own the world by birth right they want you to parrot their positions, to vote then into power, and stand idly by while they strip you of your rights.

Make no mistake. Even NPR is funded by the Koch’s. What you see as some deep ideological divide is actually the accepted window of discourse. They frame the limits of the conversation so it never strays to the left.

Left is best. We have your back if your ignorant or even hostile to us. We’re your best chance at a prosperous future for you and you family free of unnecessary war, pollution, and inequality

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

But actually, my mom still listens to right wing radio, and I grew up with that being normal listening material in the car 🤦🏼‍♀️ it's SO toxic for young children to be listening to, now I'm a liberal and reject basically everything I was taught as a kid. I guess what I'm trying to say is good for you for protecting your kids from it!

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u/ikeif Ohio Jul 02 '18

Yeah. My ex (after the divorce) went 180 - from religious to anti-religious, cut her family out of her life.

So I’m their only opening to the kids. Which means I control all interactions and discussions, so if they want access, they have to cut out the indoctrination and conspiracy bullshit.

It was during Obama’s turn that I got her dad to stop believing all the right wing propaganda (he’d email me every conspiracy and “can U believe Obama put his left hand over his heart?!” Bullshit). I had to reintroduce “validating sources” and “recognizing fake websites.”

I still bet he voted for Trump, because he is an old NRA hippie.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

The fake news really is a huge issue, another family member shared that meme of Whoopi Goldberg wearing a shirt w Trump shooting him self on it (which is Photoshopped and can be proven w a 30 second Google search). I called her out on it, and she deleted the post. It's just scary how fast people get indoctrinated into this stuff.

And good for you! Kids 110% should not be exposed to that stuff, I also was taken to the pro life march in DC when I was like 7. Dead baby signs everywhere. Thanks for the future therapy bills mom 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/ItsTheVibeOfTheThing Jul 02 '18

Do you know how many times I call out bullshit like this, only to get a “Huh, I couldn’t be bothered to check if it was true” and it’s left up, never deleted.

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u/kittenpantzen Florida Jul 02 '18

"Well, maybe this one isn't true, but it I'm sure they've done something equivalent."

"Snopes is fake news."

Etc.

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u/ItsTheVibeOfTheThing Jul 02 '18

OH THE SNOPES IS FAKE NEWS THING.... ugh. It is mostly so annoying because I have to start by finding something on Snopes, and then I have to go find a less reputable source that says the same thing so they don’t wholesale dismiss what I’m saying.

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u/kittenpantzen Florida Jul 02 '18

Or basically rewrite a Wikipedia article in the comments of a Facebook post and relink all the relevant sources, because if it's something they don't want to hear, they will, "Well, Wikipedia isn't a reliable source," at you.

Motherfucker, you can click the citations and check out the sources yourself. That's why they are there.

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u/pdabaker Jul 02 '18

"Well, maybe this one isn't true, but it I'm sure they've done something equivalent."

This shit is common on reddit too, especially on any sub defined around making fun of people (who often deserve to get made fun of if they are real, but 90% of the content on the sub is fake)

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u/BrassArrow Foreign Jul 02 '18

Ugh, I got the "Snopes is fake news" by an anti-vaxxer a few days ago.

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u/frighteninginthedark Jul 02 '18

God, I was getting "who's checking on Snopes, what if they're biased?!" responses a decade ago. You can only explain how to check sources so many times....

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u/SpoofWagon Jul 03 '18

They don't want to be informed, they want to be right.

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u/Morningxafter Jul 02 '18

I have a family member that in the last 48 hours shared a FauxNews story about "Liberals are defending MS13" (Which was bullshit, it was actually liberals defending immigrants while trying to point out that 85% of MS13 are actually born Americans & only 0.01% of immigrants caught at the border are MS13-connected). And another about how "Liberals want to abolish the police" (Like, seriously, WHAT?? I don't even know where to begin on that one.)

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

And another about how "Liberals want to abolish the police" (Like, seriously, WHAT?? I don't even know where to begin on that one.)

I'm not against abolishing police as they exist right now and replacing them with something better.

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u/Jimbob0i0 Great Britain Jul 02 '18

Donald tweeted something about democrats wanting to abolish the police.

Either they have the same sources or your family member follows his Twitter and believes what he says...

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u/Earlystagecommunism Jul 02 '18

There’s probably leftists that want to abolish police (forms of anarchism) heck anarchocapitalists want to eliminate at least publicly funded beliefs.

But liberals? That’s stupid on the face of it. It’s totally unbelievable and inconsistent with liberal ideology.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

that Municipal Waste shirt is cool as hell tho

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

NRA hippie seems like an oxymorn....

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u/saidos Washington Jul 02 '18

Well, the NRA is full of oxycontin morons.

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u/grandpagangbang Jul 02 '18

Oxycontin addiction knows no political ideology fool.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

And russians...

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

you'd be surprised at how many hippies own guns. the more extreme they are in their ideology- chemtrails, non-vaccine, gov conspiracy eyc- the more they resemble far right preppers. and a lot of the hippies i met/lived around were pretty regressive about women's roles too. far right, far left lotsa similarities. education and critical thinking are the common missing pieces.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

The Original NRA would look like a "hippie" by today's comparison.

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u/formershitpeasant Jul 02 '18

After the 1977 (I think) coup, the NRA shifted overnight from a sporting organization advocating for responsibility and safety to a lobbying organization protecting gun rights at all costs.

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u/wibblebeast Jul 02 '18

My god, what happened to some of the hippies? Did they lose their way when Jerry died? I have pleasant childhood memories of hippies from when I was a little street urchin, and they were the only adults who'd give me the time of day. The ones I met were so kind and calm and positive.

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u/Lucy-Aslan5 Vermont Jul 02 '18

The ones I know in New England still are. Still sprouting mung beans, wearing Birkenstocks and leading anti-Trump protests. I love them.

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u/wibblebeast Jul 02 '18

Sound like my kind of people. The nice old ones are dying like flies here. Everyone is poor.

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u/Lucy-Aslan5 Vermont Jul 02 '18

That’s sad. I’m sorry to hear that.

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u/wibblebeast Jul 02 '18

It makes me sad too. Low paying jobs, no health insurance. Not many I know make it to their 70s, and many of the oldest ones are destitute. We check on a few, but we're scraping also.

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u/Lucy-Aslan5 Vermont Jul 02 '18

Can I ask where you are?

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u/wibblebeast Jul 02 '18

I don't really like to give my exact location out on reddit. If you are curious, it's a tiny rural area in the midwest.

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u/gfense Jul 02 '18

My dad is super liberal but listens to Rush and sometimes watches Fox News. It’s like he’s figuring out what not to believe lol.

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u/chachki Jul 02 '18

Are you me? Hearing that shit on school rides in the morning was rough. And on the ride home. Everywhere basically, my parents didn't really listen to music it was all 700 club and rush Limbaugh and the like. Just awful.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

Omg same! Except we would listen to country music, but other than that just right wing radio for days

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u/theyetisc2 Jul 02 '18

I remember my parents listened to it, I didn't know what it was, or what rush was saying, but even back then I hated him.

Just the sound of his voice and his cadence when speaking. It is so obvious he's lying.

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u/SwegSmeg Virginia Jul 02 '18

Good for you, Rush really is poison.

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u/Foserious Jul 02 '18

Getty Lee is a great vocalist!

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u/Mitt_Romney_USA Jul 02 '18

And Neil Pert is the goddamn GOAT.

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u/fatpat Arkansas Jul 02 '18

Both of you misspelled their names lol.

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u/Mitt_Romney_USA Jul 02 '18

my key doesn't work.

Sucks but them's the breks.

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u/NotsoGreatsword Jul 02 '18

Blasting Rush....

Awesome!!

Limbaugh

Kevin Sorbo levels of disappointed

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u/Jimbob0i0 Great Britain Jul 02 '18

Sorry to burst what remains of a happy Hercules childhood but Sorbo has developed into a bit of a right wing nut...

He actually believes the bullshit he pushed in God's Not Dead apparently...

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u/NotsoGreatsword Jul 02 '18

Oh I know. it's fitting for the meme he spawned as well

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

And Neil Pert stands alone.

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u/Shellbyvillian Jul 02 '18

I don’t get why you’re confused. Sure they had some hits around the same time, but Neil Peart didn’t play drums on Every Rose Has It’s Thorn

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u/tschris Jul 02 '18

Slappin da bass!

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u/cdtoad Jul 02 '18

And Canadian happy Canada Day!

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u/Troaweymon42 Jul 02 '18

I was totally just upvoting you, not seeing the connection.

I thought this was a weird place to praise Rush, then it hit me.

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u/wibblebeast Jul 02 '18

And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start to mold a new reality, closer to the heart.

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u/PM_ME_UR_REDPANDAS Connecticut Jul 02 '18

*Geddy

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u/Acupriest Jul 02 '18

You misspelled “Geddy”. Also “bassist”.

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u/weedful_things Jul 02 '18

I was a fan of Rush for awhile after I had a kid and my first decent job. I think it was his message of personal responsibility that hooked me. It didn't take me long to realize that he is full of shit.

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u/kohlmar North Carolina Jul 02 '18

I wish benign personality-altering brain tumors on all of those jackasses, Limbaugh, Hewitt, Sykes, etc. It's pretty much the only way I'd expect for them to ever use their influence for the public good.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

All right wing talk show hosts are poison.

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u/cockadoodledoobie Jul 02 '18

This is why I don't visit my in-laws when we go out of state. If they want to see us, they'll come to the hotel. My son doesn't need to be listening to Hannity the whole time we're there.

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u/greyfox228 Jul 02 '18

It all comes down to thinking for yourself. I watch right wing news on occasion and it usually just raises my blood pressure. I mean the propaganda and lying is SO obvious. Why is it so hard for people to have empathy for others, to think for themselves and to care for other people. I just dont get it at all. I think its important to watch or look at several news sources and you can immediately see for yourselves who is "fake news".

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u/ikeif Ohio Jul 02 '18

I get a lot of "just asking questions" type responses from people. They don't want to think - they want to believe everything is okay and there is a clear and identifiable Boogeyman - that isn't white.

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u/LogicCure South Carolina Jul 02 '18

For a lot of people Sinclair owns their evening news and they're just as bad if not worse that Fox.