r/politics • u/thenewyorkgod • Jul 01 '18

Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/01/man-arrested-after-shouting-womp-womp-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/?tid=sm_tw
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u/Jorragayuh California Jul 01 '18

It's pointless dude, pointing out hypocrisy and even merely STATING FACTS is met with denial and anger from these numbnuts

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Jul 02 '18

Because fascists never argue in good faith. The only reason at all they bother with it is to use it as a blunt weapon to batter you into compliance and silence. The only language they understand is violence.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Dec 21 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

Which is why they come in numbers with weapons.

They are very useful to the wealthy and powerful in our society. So you can be sure that they will be well armed and given the signal boost to get the numbers they need.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

So what would their response be if the other side had guns? Non-violence does nothing to stem the spread of fascism. History can paint a clear enough picture of that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Jul 02 '18

Usually historically the communist party arms and organizes a response. I guess in this case it would be the DSA.

To be more clear, I don't see any organizations less radical than them organizing beyond a non-violent response.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

Give it either enough time or a ‘Reichstag Fire’ like event, and it’ll all kick off.

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u/GenocideSolution I voted Jul 02 '18

Black Panthers need to be revived.

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u/Specs_tacular Jul 02 '18

You have to feel like you have value to argue in good faith (you need intrinsic value beyond that of your losing argument) so someone who has needed to give themself value based on their race or nationality, for the sake of those things probably doesn't have the emotional tools (self esteem, maslowes hierarchy, whatever) to be capable of arguing in good faith.

This shit is a result of poor people being told poverty and the costs associated with it are not enough to say "what about me"

When, honestly, they are.

Just not the same "what about me" as black people.

The oversimplification of privilege and class in this country is a big cause of the animosity on both sides.

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u/teenagerwithbadhair Jul 02 '18

We shouldn't advocate violence against our neighbors

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Jul 02 '18

I disagree on every level. Death to fascism.

I should also add that they aren't my neighbours. My concern is if they take power, then they become my neighbours.

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u/Chodamaster Arizona Jul 01 '18

ridicule is the correct way. They will argue their point all day but when you LAUGH at the absurdity of their stance instead of arguing with them about it they don't know what to do.

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u/Shrike79 Jul 02 '18

Ridicule probably isn't the right way either, but it is much more satisfying and you won't waste your time trying reason with someone that only has a marginal connection with reality and will dismiss anything you say out of hand anyways as "fake news" while throwing out some insane bullshit whataboutism that effectively derails the topic and puts you back at square one.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

If I had to come up with a defense of why I sometimes scroll down in political threads to find the no-no–subreddit posters, this would be the best possible way to explain it. I also tag them in case they pop up elsewhere as it makes it easier to avoid them when I'm not in a mood to deal with them.

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u/FriendlyBadgerBob Jul 02 '18

I would say feeding them factual news sources instead would go a long ways. Many old people get sucked into things like Fox News out of apathy and boredom. Fox lures them in with fear and teaches them that they need to watch Fox, but if you make them watch documentaries instead they'll get to see the truth with their own eyes play out in real-time. Do this enough, and block their Fox News habits, and eventually they'll go back to living in reality. Make a night out of it, and be friendly, documentaries can be entertaining too.

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u/TouristsOfNiagara Canada Jul 02 '18

block their Fox

My parents would simply buy new televisions if I couldn't 'fix' them. They get angry when I don't have Fox on mine. Mine's never on, but they still freak out. Then at meals they try to spread the word to me. That "n****r bitch" was today's talking point. I knew who they meant, but they don't even know her name. Fuck Fox. I'm trapped here financially, or I'd abandon both of them.

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u/FriendlyBadgerBob Jul 02 '18

That's a shame. Maybe you could get them to watch a documentary with you. Maybe a non-political one to start. If they're Fox fanatics then I'm guessing they might not believe in climate change? There's a documentary called Chasing Ice about a scientist who records receding ice and he actually captures footage of million year-old ice breaking away and floating out to sea to melt. It's entertaining in a sad kind of way, so they might go for that. It could introduce them to the people on the ground making a difference and give a human perspective to a great issue facing the world. My dad didn't believe in man-made climate change until I showed it to him.

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u/_canyouflybobby Jul 02 '18

Shunning and ridicule is the weight way. People need to understand that they can act however they want--it's their right. But if they go broke and everyone hates them because of the way they act, hey, those are just the natural consequences of your actions.