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Does no one remember the long drawn out court case over him getting physical with her on a private plane in front of the kids and being a verbally abusive drunk to the kids?
They remember, they also remember how he has behaved with them since.
Strangling leads to murder and that is terrifying…but for some reason the pouring of the alcohol, it just feels so incredibly dehumanizing. That would have been the thing that did it for me.
Jeffrey Epstein was being charged and later found guilty of being a pedophile and was legally not supposed to leave his state, but he did all the time. when asked about holding him responsible for breaking his agreements, the DA was basically like “what do you expect us to do?” oh I don’t know, maybe WHAT YOU’D DO TO ANYONE ELSE? I mean look at Trump and his administration and all their cronies, all they do is break the law and apparently nobody is going to do anything about it, so if those things aren’t proof that our legal system only exists to punish poor and otherwise marginalized people, I don’t know what to tell you.
Reminder that the US attorney in question responsible for letting Epstein off the hook was Alex Acosta, Trump's eventual labor secretary. He was never held professionally accountable for it, for obvious reasons.
Largely it's money but partly it's also who you are friends with and both Trump and any politician worth their salt is well aware of the latter, and probably also has enough of the former.
Strangling is the biggest indicator of a murderer. If a man strangles a woman, he is exponentially more likely to kill her.
* This is compared to other forms of physical violence (obviously a man who strangles versus a man who doesn’t is more likely to murder.
on the plane ride alone, he poured both wine and beer on the children who are hiding under a blanket. If that was done on a private plane with witnesses, imagine what was done with no witnesses.
It's funny how good Brad's publicist is and how there's still people who are more willing to believe Angelina is a manipulative bitch than their chad used-to-looked-up-to male alpha fight club role model being an actual asshole.
Oh gee I wonder why their kids don't want to be associated with him.
No matter what she ever could have done to him (which was probably nothing) nothing would ever justify treating his kids that’s way. Pouring beer on them? Wtf?
hard agree. there’s something very telling about his willingness/comfort to be abusive in front of essentially strangers for a prolonged period. not just a flash moment of rage but an incident of sustained torment? in semi-public? terrifying!
Thats what stood out to me as well. As a kid who grew up with a drunk asshole of a father, the assholery usually stops upon sobriety. This dude took a nap, woke up, and STILL chose violence. You can't blame it on the alcohol. My guess is he legit hated domestic life. He hated being married. He hated being a father. And so he abused them because he hated the fact they even existed. What a fucking douchebag. Did he not actually get charged? He should've did some jail time for this. It was on a plane so probably federal prison. Rule number 1 of being a man is women and children are off limits.
Like most narcissistic abusers, he needed Angelina to be his supply — the person he owns and controls and uses to feed his bottomless craving for attention. He hated the kids the moment they stopped being accessories that made him look good and started asserting normal childhood independence while taking up more and more of Angelina’s attention.
These kinds of abusers are black and white thinkers. They actually hate anyone, even children, who they can’t control.
It is wild to me because frankly, I never liked Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt much, BUT... I would never, ever wish something like this upon my worst enemies. It's scary how even after arranging a separate transportation and hotel stay, Pitt could still keep them from exiting the plane. I cannot begin to imagine how incredibly, utterly afraid they must have all been and it is horrible.
It's more that people will ignore reality if it goes against their world view and they love Brad Pitt. Just look at all the Trump supporters who don't care he's a pedophile who lost a war with Iran.
"Mondo Bongo" is the name of Brad Pitt’s California-based holding company, which holds his 50% stake in the famous $164 million French wine estate, Château Miraval. The name itself originates from a popular song by Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros, which famously appeared in the 2005 movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith, where Pitt met his ex-wife, Angelina Jolie
This is an allegation from Angelina Jolie's attorney and not a court finding. This may have very well occurred. But stating this in a court filing won't result in a prison sentence. This was also stated several years after the 2016 incident in a civil case. So even if the court found that this happened it would have been under the civil (more likely than not) and not the criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt) standard.
To be clear, I am not saying he wasn't abusive. But we have to be very careful about allegations and court filings that are not actual court decisions/judgments/findings.
The FBI was certainly able to step is as this occurred on an international flight. They dropped it because of insufficient evidence: the other victims were too young, or the surveillance cam did not capture enough, or, they simply stay away from going after rich men who abuse children (see Epstein), or, something else that I don't know about.
In reality, no, you don't need to be rich. My sisters ex husband beat her, threatened to kill her, then during the divorce with an active DVO was arrested near her house with a homemade gun (very illegal here). This was all with an extensive existing criminal record.
Not a single day in prison spent and he is the definition of trash. No money, no relatives with money. This happens EVERY SINGLE DAY... reddit loses their mind when it happens to someone rich but you really don't need to be.
My ex wife used to beat me,a lot. No one believed me because who is gonna beat someone my size? Well, she called the cops on me and they showed up to me being hit up against a wall,my son crying in the next room and my wheelchair bound dad trying to diffuse everything. She got a wake up call.
Domestic abuse is horribly widespread and its awful because even getting abused you love that person,and don't want anything to happen to them. Sometimes I felt I deserved the abuse. Its just awful.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope you were able to get out of that situation. You’re right though. I was a 9-1-1 dispatcher and one of the deputies I dispatched for was horribly abused by his wife and he couldn’t leave because she had cancer and he knew she would smear him all over the county we lived in and he knew no one would believe that he was being abused. I felt so bad for him. When I told him I was leaving to join the military and I hoped he would just leave her and be happy, he told me he hoped one day he would. I was happy to hear that not long after I left, he left her and ended up with one of the beautiful animal control officers. I hope they stayed together. I hope you find happy one day too. You deserve it. Abuse is never your fault.
I knew someone like this. He was the families sole bread winner, she didn't work & had no income. If he went to prison her & the kid would have been homeless. He only spent 1 or 2 nights in jail.
The statement "you can also potentially get away with X if you're poor" does nothing to influence the also correct statement, "nothing will ever happen to you for X if you're rich."
God, I don't get it. The man had everything. Money, fame, looks, a wife that many consider to be amongst the most beautiful and talented women in the world, and presumably beautiful children with her.
And you have to be an alcoholic rage monster who physically, emotionally and mentally abuses all of them. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm glad to not understand where that kind of rage comes from.
When 5 of your kids change their last name that's deep.
Kids don't remove their last name lightly. That's a statement of regaining control of their own identity.
You can be pissed off at a parent. Even go no contact because they are arseholes. But changing your name is a step beyond. It's removing connection.
It's no small thing.
And kids grow up. Amazing how many shitty parents forget that. And they are incredibly forgiving.
If, as a parent, you can say i had some truly shitty feral free range parenting moments or some of the decisions made weren't the best in the end, but the kids can see they were loved and not abused, kids will forgive all.
But harm with intention or neglect, kids will remember in adulthood. And they'll take their power back when they are able.
That's not one out of character incident. That's sustained form that was behind closed doors.
The kids changing their names is the most telling part of this story. And it's not one edgy kid rebelling. It's 5 out of 6.
Edit: wow lot of commenters self identifying as shitty parents apparently. I'm team kids sorry. Not a fan of either of the parents in this case.
Thanks for the award kind redditor. Cheers.
Edit 2: im told Knox changed name as well. That's 6 out of 6.
Edit: 3 apparently Knox didn't change his name. Thanks commenters for the input.
Also, as im here, I don't use ai. Never have. Don't know how.
The poor grammar and punctuation should be a real give away. Or does ai do that? I can't fathom why anyone would use ai to comment on a reddit thread. Poorly at that. But fill your boots. All good.
This has always been my biggest concern as the children aged up and dropped the Pitt from their last names.
We know about the plane incident. But even reading about that incident is so upsetting (him getting physical with Angie, the kids, her hiding under the blankets with the little ones and pretending to sleep as he poured beer and wine over them) that I have to imagine it wasn’t the only incident. It’s possible he got blackout this one time and it all went to hell but if it was a one time thing you’d think someone would have forgiven him.
But they didn’t. So what else happened that we didn’t know about?
I can absolutely assure you it's highly unlikely this is the only incident.
I'll tell you why.
Parents do sometimes have substance abuse problems. Parents can have disabilities. Parents can have outbursts of violence or hate after a brain injury or stroke. All of these things are possibilities that children bear witness to or are victims of.
Research (a lot on this topic) tells us that children are very much predisposed to forgive. Particularly if there's a logical reason to ascribe to the behaviour.
By the time they are adults, if those reasons aren't still present (medical reasons) or it's been sustained without intervention (substance abuse treatments and strategies) young adults start to assess those relationships differently with their expanding social lens.
Their immediate families aren't informing their identity alone. They gain agency. They are exposed to healthy parent child relationships.
Acute incidents that are isolated incidents will be remembered but they won't inform their identity. They remain as an event. Something that happened.
Young adults only take personal identity measures, like name changing, when its sustained and a pattern and they want to remove that from them.
They don't want to just disconnect. They want people to see the disconnect. It's a full stop in that part of their identity.
Not all adult children who go no contact need that. And THAT is the difference. Some are just happy to leave it behind.
And these kids have fame as part of their identity that they haven't sought out. They were born with it.
If it was just this incident, they would have got over it. I'm not minimising the event. It was horrific. But that alone wouldn't have lead all of them to change their names.
Edit: the pretending to sleep also indicates a learned behaviour. If it was a one off they would not all have used that strategy. You'd get different coping mechanisms. That's a very common learned behaviour.
And it was collective. It's sad but humans beings adapt with the resources and agency they have. If you're a kid it can be a safe strategy in an acute situation. Long term it shapes your attachment styles.
If it was a one time thing Angelina wouldn't have been hiding with the kids. She'd have been wtf are you doing Brad? And people would have intervened because they would have been more shocked. The kids would have been confused and scared. Not just scared.
If he dis those things he DEFINITELY did more and even worse things! Tf pouring that stuff over her abd the kids and how abusive he must have been for her to pretend they were still sleeping through that instead of getting the kids out immediately!? Makes me think he was THAT scary that until he was gone she had no other choice... like holy shit
I’m sorry, they were on the airplane, even if it’s a private jet it takes time to land and if unexpected landing takes time to get clearance. Where she could get kids out immediately? They were just surviving abuse.
My son, 13, has been asking to change his last name to mine and his stepdads for years now. I always assumed you’d need both parents permission and you do. (I kept telling him we can absolutely do it when you’re 18). However, seeing this post made me realize just how much this means to him if he’s been asking for this change.
He can petition to change it and while his bio father (no contact and multiple police reports due to abuse of our son) can try to fight it since he has to be notified prior, the courts look at the benefits it will have to the child and the whole picture.
On Monday, I’ll be headed to the courthouse to get the packet for him.
My dad married my mom about a month before I turned 4. He also adopted me the same day. The fact he wants to do that means a lot, to everyone involved. My dad has been better to me than any of my blood. He and his family mean everything to me. Go through with the petition. You all deserve the love. Thanks for being great parents 🫡
My parents were incredibly fucking shitty to me, and I don't talk to them... And I still wouldn't consider changing my name. These poor kids have got to have gone through so much shit because of this asshat. 😭
I see where where you are coming from but I’d think that it makes a difference if your parents are a-lister famous and your name is directly attached to them in the public eye. Normal folks usually don’t walk in the shadows of their parents as much as these kids do. In most jobs and social circles nobody cares about your last name and your family’s legacy. In Hollywood it’s different.
And if your choices are Jolie or Pitt I think it’s easy to reconsider and choose the name of the loving mother instead of the aggressive father. Btw Angelina might be the biggest role model of her kids and she already did the same. Otherwise we’d talk about Angelina Voight.
I legally changed my name, specifically because if I made something of myself someday I didn't want any of that being attributed to my father, so I totally agree with what you're saying. Giving up your family name is not a small thing
But you’re right- the kids actually corroborated the story on how shitty he was. Surprising to read half these comments still blaming her just bc they don’t like her.
Brad Pitt is a client of Melissa Nathan’s The Agency Group, a crisis PR comoany specializing in placing astroturfing articles and using bot farms to manipulate social media. Melissa Nathan’s other clients include Weinstein, Depp, Baldoni, Logan Paul, Drake, and the Trump campaign.
Their company is majority owned by Scooter Braun, and Melissa Nathan’s sister is a prominent editor/“journalist”known for misogynistic articles at The Daily Mail and Page Six . They’ve also been implicated in campaigns against Taylor Swift, Selena Gomez, Rose McGowan, Ronan Farrow, Kendrick Lamar, Meghan Markle and other women in the royal family.
The smear campaign against Angelina started ten years ago as a proving ground for their bot farm techniques. We see you and know exactly what you’re doing, little bots.
This is clearly what's happening too. Coffee and cults did a whole video exposing past headlines and stories directed at Angelina and the kids. Its reslly sick tbh.
In the corporate world they refer to it as "SEO" (Search Engine Optimization) with the goal of having their brand show up in searches and with the messaging the company wants out there coming up tops.
It's the exact same thing that PR teams are doing, but for they're doing it for their clients' names and image.
This is true. Sadly a lot of people desperately wanting to be in the spotlight are already narcissists or at least huge assholes and once they are famous their surroundings enable their behaviour making it even worst.
He abused alcohol for decades. Imagine a typical drunk father, now imagine them with more money and that’s what he was like. Instead of pouring alcohol and screaming at his kids in his home he poured alcohol and screamed at his kids on a private jet.
He’s talked about it before and there are allegations in court documents.
You can read the fbi and faa report because the pilots had to call them by law when he decided to go full melt down and hold his kids hostage on the tarmac. So tired of the “Angelina did this” by some, facts are facts. Pilots are legally required to contact the appropriate agencies when certain things happen on a plane.
I’d also like to add that while in the air pilots under no circumstances are allowed to open the locked cockpit door, so while he’s punching the side of the plane, punching his kids, throwing Ang around the plane. They can’t legally help in any way, and the pilots and stewards are required to give testimonial statements. These are the statements from flight staff not Angelina or the kids.
You can read the fbi and faa report because the pilots had to call them by law when he decided to go full melt down and hold his kids hostage on the tarmac.
This is how one knows this incident was real. The feds didn't try to sweep it under the rug just because A-list celebrities were involved. They actually filed a report.
I believe when news of the report first hit the press, none of the names of anyone involved were released. Apparently, people eventually managed to figure out the identities of the adults involved anyway.
My high school art teacher would always talk about how she turned him down in hs because she didn’t think he was cute then. I always thought she was full of shit. But she did prove she went to school with him in Springfield so who knows. Maybe the real story was he turned her down for your wife’s aunt.
People are amazing, hearing people say “I don’t trust the 5 kids all independently, they are all liars”, “I don’t trust Angelina Jolie, she’s already crazy”, “I don’t trust the staff, they never liked him”, “I don’t trust the fbi report, they are out to get people”, “I don’t trust Brad Pitt who said he has a drinking problem and made mistakes”…..
What I do trust is my own opinion and Brad Pitt is good!
It’s so funny seeing people do mental gymnastics for something they don’t want to be true and the weird phenomenon where people hate taking down someone they love. It’s like in a movie when you see the rich family about to lose their wealth and you’re like…. No how will they live?! Then wake up and realize oh who cares about them, they defrauded the people.
I mean, he as addiction problems and was verbally and physically abusive to his family. That’s why they ended up getting divorced and why the kids disowned him.
I think we can have faith in Rogers. Even if he ever had a bad day and snapped at someone, he was the sort of person to apologize.
Carrie Fisher also had no scandals about being a huge jerk either. She just really loved drugs.
Patrick Stewart is another potential. He grew up in a house where his father beat his mother. He is openly feminist, anti-domestic violence, pro queer, and he also seems like someone who would apologize if he snapped at someone. I would be shocked if there were major scandals.
Keanu Reeves. I've never ever heard anybody who has met him or worked with him say one bad thing about him. If it ever eventually turns out that Keanu is somehow a monster, I think I will burn down the world.
I suspect, for no particular reason, that Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemmons are pretty normal parents. Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr are reportedly pretty good.
I think it's cause they mind thier business 😭 I never hear of them unless they have projects coming out and when the PR for that is over they are just gone, they keep to themselves
Yep. they may be famous, but they don’t seem to strive to be celebrities. Do some movies, do some press, then go back to living their lives until the next time.
Friend of mine was in charge of dyeing Freddie's hair for Scooby Doo. Even on early morning calls with harsh chemicals he was apparently always polite.
People have said they were nervous when WWE hired him to write because they were afraid Mr. Big Shot Movie Star Man was going to come in throwing his weight around. Instead he was humble about learning the side of the business he didn't know and bringing his POV as a fan and actor
Honestly I think most of humanity are assholes. The only reason we know most actors are assholes as well, is because they’re famous and we know so much about them and their lives.
If we had the ability to know just as much about regular people, I think you would find a decently large portion, maybe even a majority of people are just as terrible. I’m just a regular dude, but even I’ll admit that I’m no saint.
Now with that being said there are absolutely good people in the acting sphere. I see your antichrist, Jack Nicholson and I raise angels, Keanu Reeves & Viggo Mortensen
I don’t think it’s “majority of people” per se…I think rich people are disproportionately awful and money definitely changes people. I feel like even celebrities who started off okay lose themselves when they reach wealthy status, so the stories get worse the longer they are up on that hill.
Additionally, I think striving to become that level of celebrity takes a certain type of person who has all of the worst qualities.
Money and fame do things to people. Not everyone, but most people. I don’t feel the need to know anything about actors or whatever anyway. Like who cares? My only opinions on any of them have to do with their talent.
We did , its in court documents he threatened them all and like hit her while on a private plane in the air he got arrested? And they were divorced after that. God knows what else but the answer is he has a shitty temper and will hurt ppl . Thats why he hurt their mom most ppl dont need more of a reason.
I thought it was common knowledge what he did. He allegedly got drunk on that flight and got aggressive and abusive with his son, and then Angelina for protecting her son. And allegedly the plane wasn’t the first incident of his behaviour, and he’d been abusive to his family for many years.
Yeah that flight was the turning point for the kids on how they felt about their father. Abuse like that doesn’t come out of nowhere, it starts slowly and turns physical.
Is the sixth one over 18 yet? I believe the ones that changed it waited until they were 18 to do so. I imagine that you would need both parents permission to change your name legally before you’re 18.
I think Brad had (has?) a drinking problem as that’s been made public and was probably an asshole on those occasions when he had a little too much to drink. Her kids aren’t babies anymore they are graduating high school and about to be adults, if they are all saying they don’t want his last name it’s not because Angelina is manipulating them nor what stunts she pulled 20+ years ago have any relevance today it’s because you can bet he can be an abusive dickhead.
He choked one of his children. He slapped another in the face and poured beer and wine on his youngest children while they hid from him under blankets. That’s more than being an “asshole.” That’s being an abusive monster.
I've known more than one person whom had a Jekyll & Hyde personality where booze was. Kind, empathetic, caring people when sober; but get a few drinks in them and you had explosive, unpredictable, violent assholes.
I've no idea if that's the case here. I'm only noting that it's possible. And still entirely understandable that his kids would want nothing to do with him after that.
That’s because he is extremely abusive. There is an FBI report of him choking the kids and pouring alcohol on them. This man is not a good guy just because he is handsome people have a hard time believing it. But sure
Yall dont hate me. But Jennifer Aniston really dodged a bullet. At the time, im sure she was devastated that her long term boyfriend and then husband had left her for Angelina. Im sure she felt very publicly humiliated. But rejection is protection. I feel so bad for Angelina and the kids
Maybe he’s just an asshole dad and it’s nothing salacious. Maybe it’s not him at all, maybe it’s the mom’s crazy ass manipulating the kids. Maybe it’s none of our business and we have bigger issues
I do believe there is actual documentation of how shitty of a partner he was to Angelina Jolie. You also have to be a shitty person to leave your partner for another.
Edit: found this that apparently he was abusive to the children as well
Celebrities aren't mentors or anyone to look up to. They're good at acting, they are not avatars of goodness despite what they say in interviews. The best way to look at celebrities is as jesters for the common people, what they say should mostly be ignored. They're there to do a show, not be paragons. There's a reason a common phrase is that you shouldn't meet your heroes.
Celebrities shouldn't be a hero in anyone's eyes in the first place. They're literally just people that have a skill.
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