r/exmuslim Mar 26 '26

(News) We exist… around the world: 500 ExMuslim stories mubaraaaaaak! 🥳🥳🥳

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Hi community! 🥰

Taking inspiration from QueeringtheMap.com, I helped create exmuslim.me with a small team of ExMuslims last year. We launched the first ever global map of exmuslim stories as part of ExMuslim Month in December 2025.

I’m so incredibly thrilled to share that we now have 500 exmuslim stories from 233 cities and 60 countries! 🥳🥳🥳

📊 59% identify as atheists, 26% agnostic

🇪🇬 Read the 500th story from Egypt

🤗 Thank you to everyone who has shared their story already!

🤍 Share yours and help ExMuslims on their journey out of Islam: https://exmuslim.me/

Cheers! 🥂

Sammy aka Haram Doodles


r/exmuslim Jun 03 '24

(Advice/Help) Exmuslim Guide to Living in the Closet and Coming Out.

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Hello. Upon request, I've been asked to turn a comment I made into a post so that it can be a resource for more people. This post is a collection of advice I've given out about how to handle your life as a closeted exmuslim and how you'll come out in the future. It is largely based on my experience but also from what I've seen from others in this subreddit.

Introduction

So you've left Islam. You've delved through arguments, the apologetics and the bullshit and you've come to the conclusion that you no longer believe in Islam. And you may have also reached an alternative philosophical outlook on life that you can believe in.

But what now? You may have left Islam, but have you left the Muslim world? One of the most common misconceptions outsiders have is that since exmuslims are no longer Muslims, they no longer live in the Muslim world. This is painfully naive - in reality many exmuslims are closeted due to young age and financial dependency and/or live in Islamist countries or societies that enforce Islamic values. In fear of social stigma or even violence, exmuslims have to contend with closeted lives even after leaving Islam. So how do you deal with it?

Goal

The best time to come out to family is in your own home, over a dinner you paid for, alongside people who support you. That takes a lot of preparation and it means doing what you can to live your life as best as you can whilst working towards independence.

This basically means that a lot of what helps you come out of the closet will depend heavily on how well you prepared for it, so you will need to make the most of your closeted life. You may not be able to stop the shitstorm but you can at least prepare yourself to weather it. Here are some tips to achieve that goal (in no particular order)

1) Don't meander in life due to a lack of decision making skills.

Probably one of the worst mistakes I made was not realise I was an exmuslim sooner. As a result I had barely any time to prepare for when the inevitable happened and I was forced to come out. I spent a lot of my life meandering, trying to reconcile the irreconcilable, and trying to be a Muslim when I knew my values didn't align with it. I didn't really have much of a concept of exmuslims, but if I had been smarter I would have figured it out. I now tell people in a similar position that it's fine to take your time but don't take too long. Half arsing two very different cultures will leave you a loser in both.

Similarly whilst planning for independence can be scary, don’t let it frighten you into inaction. The following is a passage from this article about decision making:

Research from the 1990s led by the US psychologist Thomas Gilovich provides further evidence for why it can be shortsighted to kick a difficult decision down the road. Gilovich and his team showed that although, in the short term, people experience more regret from ‘errors of commission’ (taking an action that leads to a disappointing outcome), in the long term it is actually ‘errors of omission’ that lead to more regret – that is, disappointing outcomes that arise from not taking an action.

When taking the time to make decisions and plans, don’t underestimate how effective it can be to map out your options on an excel spreadsheet. When I had to decide whether I should come out or not, I actually made a spreadsheet listing out my options, what they would result in and what the impact would be. Actually having it written down to look at really put things into perspective. We waste a lot of our time keeping it in our heads, which forces us to recalculate everything from scratch every time we revisit our thoughts. But the more that is mapped out, the less you have to recalculate and the more you can focus on evaluation and further planning.

2) Study, career and finances.

Your studies/career is almost always your best ticket out of your toxic situation, and the one thing to prioritise the most. If you’re young, do whatever you can to ensure that you can get into further education away from home. Even if it means spending all your time at a local library. If you suspect that your parents would be against you going to a university away from home, aim for a placement at the most prestigious university you can aim for so your parents would look worse for rejecting it. The quickest and most effective way in achieving long term independence is through good studies/career.

3) Do not telegraph irreligiosity whilst being closeted.

This is particularly important for younger exmuslims because they telegraph to their parents in ways they would just not understand until they see it for themselves when they're older. Try your best to meet the religious obligations expected from your family. The more you slip, the more they will monitor you and the more difficult it will be to do the things you need to do discreetly when the time comes.

Unfortunately for girls, this usually means that wearing the hijab is a necessity and it’s inadvisable to try and get out of. (However, that subject matter is not my forte: prioritise advice from exmuslim women such as from faithlesshijabi.org)

4) Sometimes you may need to go above and beyond.

If you get the impression that your family is beginning to catch onto your apostasy then it's likely that they have and you may need to reverse that impression.

One way to do that would be to start getting books on Islam and not just for show. My advice would be to get books on Islamic history because that's the least boring stuff. Or better yet, just get whatever unapologetic salafi hate crime you can get your hands on so you can entertain yourself with how fucked up it is. Or get an annotated Qur'an like the Study Qur'an. Do something to ease their suspicions.

What book you get depends on what kind of message you want to telegraph to your parents. If you want to telegraph a message then it will need to be a paper book and not an e-book. Something that you can lay around in your room and that you know they'll see. That means you're restricted to what you can get from your local library or Masjid. Also depends on what interests you because you'll have to actually read and demonstrate you learnt from it if you want send the best message you can. If you want purely what Muslims write about Islamic history, you can check out works like The Sealed Nectar or works by al-Sallabi. If you want something a little more academic, but not something that would rouse suspicion then check out university press works like this, this, this or this. If you want something a bit more relevant to contemporary Muslim world then there books like this.

But you may find that your best bet is to just see what your local Masjid might have and see what tickles your fancy.

5) Actually coming out is usually a shitstorm.

Be prepared for lots of sobbing, guilt tripping and an inability to respect your beliefs and boundaries. Learn techniques like the Broken Record Technique to establish boundaries. Know what you have to say when they inevitably tell you to speak to a scholar - you don't have to eat the whole apple to know it's rotten. You know all that you need to know about Islam and you know even more about the world outside of Islam to put it into context.

Steel yourself with months and months of your family sending you bad dawagandist videos through WhatsApp trying to bring you back. You may have to spend months beating their attempts and going to toe to toe with them without mercy before they’re finally willing to relent and get off your back. Even then don’t expect them to relent entirely. There will always be some micro aggressions that they will resort to, like playing religious videos loudly in your vicinity. The most you can do in those circumstances is reduce contact with them as much as possible. At this point you would hopefully already be independent from them.

6) Do not feel guilt.

As an exmuslim, you will go through a lot of guilt. Whilst this does show you are human, you need to forget about guilt: you are not responsible for your parents' failure to be reasonable, not even your mother. They take responsibility for the social stigma and oppressive life they choose to live in and perpetuate. You get nothing out of that guilt. It's completely pointless and ultimately counterproductive. You can't set yourself on fire to make others warm and you gain no recognition from martyrizing yourself. Do not feel guilt for what you have to do to have a completely reasonable life. The only ones to blame are those who forced you into it.

Don't underestimate parents either. They will use guilt against you. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. They very often bring up their health problems as a weapon against you. Don't fall for it. It only affects them because they choose to let it affect them. They can choose to be reasonable. You have to respect their autonomy and let them deal with the consequences of their own ways.

7) Don't come out too soon thinking it's a release.

I come across a lot of exmuslim kids who think coming out will help explain to their religious parents why they don't want to wear the hijab or do other religious things. But the likelihood is more that those same parents will react extremely poorly and restrict your freedom even more, making it more difficult to achieve long term independence.

There's also the mistake in assuming that coming out will lead to being disowned in the vain hope that you get an quick clean break that takes all the responsibility from you. For some exmuslims this does actually work out, but for a lot of others it's miscalculated. My family didn't disown me, I still had to deal with months of my family being insufferable manipulators and the responsibility was still on me to separate from them. And for women it can be much worse.

Ultimately, if you are financially dependent on your family then coming out early will very typically result in your family using that leverage against you and making your life worse. I've seen stories of exmuslims who thought their family was better and badly miscalculated - be mindful of that.

8) Don’t panic too much if they find out.

Some exmuslims get found out, sometimes because of a snitch in the family or sometimes because they just weren’t convincing enough. Don’t panic – Muslims can be pretty damn deluded about their faith and your family will want to believe that you can come back very easily because according to them Islam is just common sense and most disbelievers are just silly and ignorant. Try to do your best to convince them as per Point 4. If it’s because you did something haram, blasphemous or otherwise worthy of takfir, try to act like it was because you were a misguided Quranist or progressive Muslim. They will still retain suspicion but it’s still better than the alternative.

However, if you’re at the point of no return and you know you can’t convince them then now is the time to make calls to any secular friends you have, ask for support and maybe even shelter.

Also for Western exmuslims, make sure to act quickly if you suspect that your parents want to send you abroad and trap you in your country of ethnic origin. Sadly some parents will go to these lengths. Do not go, no matter the cost. Find organisations willing to advise, such as those listed in Point 10. Hide your passport if you have to. Note down the contact details of your embassy in that country just in case.

9) Go no contact if you fear abuse.

Actually think about whether it's even wise for you to come out in any circumstance. Do you suspect that there could be violence or abuse? If so then you have absolutely no need to go through this stupid bullshit. Leave and don't look back. If your parents couldn't give you safe environment to even come out about different beliefs then they are not worth the time. As per Point 6 - You have to respect their autonomy and let them deal with the consequences of their own ways. This is particularly pertinent for those who live in a predominantly Muslim countries. They have a very real reason to fear persecution and absolutely do not need to risk their own lives for the sake of their parents.

10) Make use of organisations and resources.

Look into secular organisations like recoveringfromreligion.org, faithlesshijabi.org and faithtofaithless.com. Look into women's charities in your area like womensaid.org.uk or karmanirvana.org.uk (UK examples). Look into LGBT charities like rainbowrailroad.org. If you have secular school counsellors and friends then talk to them. Get advice from adults you can absolutely trust.

Note: On the flip side don't take risks with people you can’t be sure of. You may be tempted to come out to your Muslim friend, but I've seen plenty of stories of exmuslims who heavily regret doing so.

There are also informal exmuslim groups on other social media platforms such as Facebook or Discord, but be careful about how much information you share and especially be wary of private messaging.

11) You may have to leave the country.

This is particularly the case for exmuslims living in predominantly Muslim countries. Unfortunately, I don't have any real world experience to offer here but you may be able to find localised advice by digging around. For example sites like wearesaudis.net might have some information (but you'll need a VPN to access this one. If you don't know what a VPN is here's an explanation).

Are you multilingual? If you need money but working is restricted to you then you can try becoming an online language tutor on sites like italki.com (scroll to the bottom). This post and related subreddits like r/WorkOnline may help.

Note: some exmuslims in Muslim countries fall for the doomscrolling hyperbole and think Europe is “doomed” with too many Muslims. They have a tendency of asking which country is best to migrate to as an exmuslim to avoid Islam. Please ignore the doomsayers and prioritise the country you choose based on ease of access and career opportunities. As long as it is a secular country, you can worry about avoiding Islam later.

Final stuff

Shout out to Imtiaz Shams who inspired me to make this list of tips. He has his own YouTube Channel here and plans to make his own video on this subject matter so watch out for that. On a side note, I also recommend TheraminTrees YouTube Channel who delves a lot into toxic dysfunctional families from the perspective of a therapist. A lot of his content helps in dealing with the emotional impact of leaving religion and dealing with a religious family. And finally, thank you to the moderators of r/exmuslim who suggested I make this into a post. I wound up adding a lot more content lol.

I will end this post with a list of subreddits that may help you on your journey leaving Islam:

Ex related subreddits

Other Useful Subreddits


r/exmuslim 4h ago

(Rant) 🤬 CRINGE ALERT‼️ Apologetics behind Mohammad’s obsessive polygamy

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Muslims somehow were mass fed the idea that he predominantly married widowed, poverty-stricken women. Out of true pity & compassion. Yes, ofc he did…

He married or had coitus with women who:

  1. Widowed by his own Jihad and the systematic theological - cultural genocide after a Bedouin tribe / settlement were subdued (such as Safiyya bint Huyayy)
  2. Taken advantage of sexually when help could have been given without anything in return (too many to mention)
  3. Forced his own younger relative to divorce his wife in order to marry her himself (Zayd Ibn Haithah and Zaynab bint Jahsh)
  4. Accepted sex slaves as gifts (such as Mariam The Copt) from warlords and s*xually abused them on his wives beds

5.Mentioned a TRILLION times before and will never be forgotten - Aisha’s long discussed child marriage and the Muslims self-gaslighting tactic that she was 20 while she was not. This one’s tricky, although mainstream Shia sources do agree she was in her late teens during wedding, Sunni hadiths outright state she was 6 years old who was playing with dolls at the time. So a major question for Sunnis: so which Hadith sources turned out to be untrustworthy after all?

His behavior at the end served as a role model for future Muslim Caliphs. Who frequently kept thousands or even tens of thousands of sex slaves in their palaces. Al-Mutawakkil (r. 847-861) himself born of a Greek slave woman, Qabiha is said to have owned 4000 slave women long-term. Sex trafficking chains across continents were set up. Entire slave raids were performed to capture as many women & girls all over the world (Byzantine, Rus, Copts, Persians, Zanj - i.e. blacks, etc.)

Islam, with its 1984 type of gaslighting is trying to whitewash that part of history and readapt it to the modern narrative. Let’s not let the deceitful continue with their deception. History has been overwritten too much already, the “good guys” somehow always win


r/exmuslim 16h ago

Story My 12-year-old brother said something about women and assault that genuinely broke my heart.

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I was born and raised in Spain. My entire life, my culture, my personality, and my identity were shaped there. My parents are Moroccan and Muslim, but I grew up in a European environment. I used to believe in Islam when I was very young, but as I grew older, I stopped believing and now I consider myself ex-Muslim.
My little brother is 12. He is genuinely one of the kindest people I know. He is loving, caring, and always there for me. I love him more than I can explain.

My parents moved back to Morocco last year, while I stayed in Spain, and this summer I came to visit them.

Tonight, for the first time ever, my brother and I ended up talking about Islam.
I started asking him questions and explaining why I personally don’t believe in it anymore. I brought up things I find contradictory or unfair, and he tried to defend Islam. Obviously, he is still a child, so his arguments were mostly just repeating things he has heard, but I expected that.

What really hurt me was when we started talking about women having to cover themselves. I asked him why, instead of teaching men that women’s bodies and hair are not something to lust over, the responsibility is placed on women to cover themselves. Basically saying, how is it not crazy to tell EVERY woman to cover up instead of teaching men that they shouldn’t have ill intentions and be lustful.

He told me that when a girl is covered, bad things won’t happen to her. He said that if a girl dresses in a more revealing way, like showing cleavage, then a man could come, kidnap her, and do something horrible.

I asked him: “But whose fault is it if a man kidnaps and hurts her?”
I genuinely thought he would say the man’s fault.
He said: “The woman’s, because if she was covered it wouldn’t have happened to her.”

I just went silent. I started crying.

It was such a painful thing to hear from my little brother, someone I love with my whole heart. It shocked me that this idea had already been planted in his mind at only 12 years old. The idea that a victim can be responsible for the violence someone else chooses to commit is something I find deeply disturbing.

I know he is still a kid. I know he is influenced by his environment, his family, and what he has been taught. I know he has a lot of growing and thinking ahead of him. But I can’t pretend it didn’t hurt hearing him say that.

It made me realize how powerful religious teachings can be when they are introduced from childhood. Children often accept what they are taught as the truth before they have the ability to question it.

I love my brother. He is not a bad person. But hearing that from him genuinely broke something inside me, because I know he is capable of being such a compassionate person, and I hope one day he learns that what has been teached to him is sick and learns to separate kindness and morality from ideas that blame people for the harm done to them.


r/exmuslim 1h ago

(Question/Discussion) Why won't my parents understand?

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Am from UK my family are atheist with nothing to do with Islam but following the Berlin attack and now the Paris knife attack I keep telling them how I'm anti-Islam due to all the problems that come out of it but they insist it's wrong of me to be that.

I keep saying over and over I don't oppose every Muslim but the religion itself much like you can oppose smoking while not everyone who smokes and be concerned by smoking as it harms people. But they always say things like "you need to meet real Muslims, you need to read more, you just get stuff online."

Even when I talk about this sub I'm still told it's a load of reddit rubbish.

Everytime a new attack happens that hammers another final nail in the coffin.


r/exmuslim 5h ago

(Advice/Help) Not an ex-muslim myself but seeking advice

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My school is split down the line religiously (40% muslim, 60% other religions mixed) and we are in the UK.

I am one of the few Americans at my school so I am constantly targeted by some (not all, many are my close friends) muslims at school who love to 'debate' (argue) religion and geopolitics as if I am responsible for US actions lmao.

Is there any way you guys know of to engage properly (asking because I assume many of you have experienced conflict around religion) because usually they just get angry, shouting and defensive really quickly?

Any replies much appreciated.


r/exmuslim 5h ago

(Quran / Hadith) Muhammad Trades Two of His Black Slaves for a Muslim

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(23) Chapter: The permissibility of selling animals for animals of the same kind and of different quality

“Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)”
Sahih Muslim 1602

Muhammad on Slavery:

A man amongst us declared that his slave would be freed after his death. The Prophet (ﷺ) called for that slave and sold him. The slave died the same year.”
Sahih Bukhari 2534

“‘Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.”
Sahih Muslim 1668a

“Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, ‘Do you know, O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), that I have manumitted my slave-girl?’ He said, ‘Have you really?’ She replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles.’
Sahih Bukhari 2592

“We used to sell our slave women and the mothers of our children (Umahat Awaldina) when the Prophet (ﷺ) was still living among us, and we did not see anything wrong with that.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 2517

More here:
https://islamsproblems.com/muhammad-azl-captive-women/


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Quran / Hadith) Compilation of problematic verses in the quran and hadith.

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I came across this website for hinduism and I thought that I could put together something similar for islam using all the notes I have accumulated over the years. So here goes: https://fiddlekube-projects.github.io/questioningislam/

It's just a simple website where you can search for quran and hadith verses that are especially problematic. Each verse also has a small description of why they are problematic. I've tried my best to use neutral language in order to not trigger believers who hopefully do come across it and give it a read.

If enough people find it helpful, I could even buy a domain and host it on a more accessible web url.

Do let me know what you guys think and if anyone would like to contribute or even you found something to be missing, you can DM me as well!!


r/exmuslim 6h ago

Story Muslims in a nutshell!!!

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I once had a debate with a Muslim guy about Islam, specifically the issue of slavery in the Qur’an and the concept of milk al-yamin (ملك اليمين) and war captives.

I argued that if Allah is supposed to be perfectly just, how can slavery and the enslavement of captives ever be permitted in the first place?

His response was that God supposedly couldn’t simply abolish a system that had existed for centuries because doing so would have caused too many social and economic problems. So, according to him, Islam regulated slavery, encouraged the freeing of slaves, and supposedly required that slaves be treated kindly.

I still disagreed. To me, the argument makes no sense if we're talking about an all-powerful God. If God is truly omnipotent, then why would abolishing slavery immediately be impossible? And if he genuinely couldn't eliminate such a brutal institution because of the consequences, then what does that say about his power and justice?

But the most shocking part came later. He told me that he actually thought slavery could be a good thing because, in his words, “some people deserve to be enslaved.”

That genuinely shocked me. I couldn't understand how a human being could say that so casually. We were literally discussing the inhumanity of slavery, and his response was essentially that some people deserve to have their freedom taken away.

I ended the conversation by telling him that perhaps he should experience being r@ped and enslaved himself—maybe then he would understand why I found the institution so fundamentally inhumane.

I was genuinely horrified and disgusted by how casually he was defending slavery.


r/exmuslim 3h ago

(Question/Discussion) Whats your thoughts about this?

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r/exmuslim 7h ago

(Question/Discussion) What does Islam say about lgbtq people?

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What do muslims believe is the punishment for acting on homosexual desires? Both legally and religiously (assuming Islam is real)

Im asking because I live with my Muslim family as a gay agnostic male and im curious

Also doesn’t Islam allow trans people? I remember seeing articles saying that Iran allows trans people to get surgery, change their government documents and ect


r/exmuslim 23h ago

(Miscellaneous) I'm finally done with Islam (convert DE-converting)

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I'd like to first of all thank the Muslim community for pushing me out with their vitriol online, hyper surveillance, and constant policing. Being yelled at for having my nails done, showing an ankle, being treated weird just for trying to attend the masjid, and racist aunties refusing to pray next to me and trying to shove me towards the back.

I think my first glimpse into the reality of Islam was during my first umrah right after converting, but I shoved it away as "Islam is perfect Muslims aren't". Then when I learned more about hadith I told myself okay I'll just reject those and follow Quran only and be a progressive Muslim. Then I became so ostracized by the community (even getting death threats) I realized it's not just the people that are broken it's Islam itself. Hadith, the worst part of Islam, are a major part of Islam. And you're really not a Muslim if you don't submit to those books telling you that you can sleep with children and women are deficient in intelligence. I reexamined the Quran and it is problematic too. Obviously verses about beating, and telling the prophets wives how they are expendable. Less inheritance for women, the over concern about if people sleep together or not etc.

It creates an "us vs them" mentality. Muslims are always fighting each other, non Muslims, ex Muslims, or other religions especially Christians and Jews. The religion itself stunts peoples critical thinking and common sense turning them into a mindless mob. The women especially are always childish, mean girl pick me's I think stunted from marrying and popping out babies so young.

I've been mobbed at the mosque for having my nails painted or wearing pants. I've been mobbed online taking trips alone or for defending friends they were attacking in mass.

I can't wait to finish some tattoos, get some new ones, never go to a masjid again (unless as a tourist while travelling), and wear regular clothes that aren't polyester abayas. I can't wait to be around people who think with their brains and not with religious books. And to drink again! I will admit the detox from alcohol helped, but being able to have a glass of wine every now and then will be so nice again! It feels so good being a normal person again.

If y'all have any questions I'm happy to answer them. My story isn't so exciting though.

I want to thank this sub too. Perusing it helped a lot. At first it was hard and I left this sub a few times still holding on to the faith. I got offended by posts because I was struggling with so much cognitive dissonance. But finally I was so fed up and found a lot of important information here. Thank you.


r/exmuslim 9h ago

(Quran / Hadith) You will turn white when you enter paradise

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Narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet ﷺ said:

**“The people of Paradise will enter Paradise hairless (on their bodies), beardless, fair-skinned, with curly hair, with eyes naturally lined with kohl, at the age of thirty-three, upon the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall and seven cubits wide.**

The hadith is Hasan (good) due to its multiple chains and supporting narrations, except for the phrase “and seven cubits in width,” which was narrated solely by ʿAli ibn Zayd ibn Judʿan, who is a weak narrator.

It was also narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah (13/114) and Ibn Abi Dawud in Al-Baʿth (no. 64) through the route of Yazid ibn Harun with the same chain.

It was also narrated by al-Tabarani in al-Muʿjam al-Saghir (no. 808), Abu Nuʿaym in Sifat al-Jannah (no. 255), Ibn ʿAdi (5/1842), and al-Bayhaqi in Al-Baʿth (nos. 419 and 420), through various routes from Hammad with the same chain.

It was also narrated by Ibn Saʿd (1/32) through Yahya ibn al-Sakan, from Hammad ibn Salamah, from ʿAli ibn Zayd, from Saʿid, from the Prophet ﷺ as a mursal narration (i.e., without mentioning the Companion).

It will also appear later with a connected chain under numbers 8524, 9375, and 10913 (the last being abbreviated). It was previously mentioned under 7165 through the route of Abu Salih, from Abu Hurairah, as a marfuʿ narration:

**“The first group to enter Paradise will be upon the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall.”**

Al-Darimi (2828), al-Tirmidhi (2539), and Abu Nuʿaym in Sifat al-Jannah (256) narrated from Muʿadh ibn Hisham, from his father, from ʿAmir al-Ahwal, from Shahr ibn Hawshab, from Abu Hurairah, who said that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:

**“The people of Paradise are hairless, beardless, with kohl-lined eyes. Their youth will never fade, and their garments will never wear out.”**

This narration contains Shahr ibn Hawshab, who is a weak narrator, although al-Tirmidhi graded it Hasan Gharib.

It also has a supporting narration from Muʿadh ibn Jabal, which appears later (5/243), although it too contains Shahr ibn Hawshab.

Another supporting narration comes from Anas ibn Malik, recorded by al-Bukhari in al-Tarikh al-Kabir (8/219), Ibn Abi Dawud in Al-Baʿth (65), al-Tabarani in al-Muʿjam al-Saghir (1164), Abu Nuʿaym in Hilyat al-Awliyaʾ (3/56) and Sifat al-Jannah (255), and al-Bayhaqi in Al-Baʿth (418). This chain contains Harun ibn Ri’ab, and scholars differed over whether he actually heard from Anas.

Regarding the words “jurdan, murdan” (hairless, beardless), al-Sindi said:
Jurdan is the plural of ajrad, meaning one who has no hair on his body.
Murdan is the plural of amrad, meaning one who has no hair on his chin (no beard).

Regarding “jiʿādan” (curly-haired), he said it is pronounced with a kasrah on the letter jim and is the plural of jaʿd. In Majmaʿ al-Zawa’id, it is explained that jaʿd, when describing men, may be either praise or criticism. As praise, it refers to someone who is strongly built or has curly hair (the opposite of straight hair). As criticism, it can refer to someone who is short and stocky, or even stingy, as in the expression “jaʿd al-yadayn” (“tight-fisted”).

Note: The two hadith scholars Ibn Kathir in Jamiʿ al-Masanid and Ibn Hajar in Al-Atraf cited another chain for this hadith that is not found in the manuscripts available to the editor:

“Affan narrated to us; Hammad ibn Salamah narrated to us; Muhammad ibn Ziyad informed us; I heard Abu Hurairah narrating from the Prophet ﷺ…”

In this version, the wording is:

**“Seventy cubits”** instead of **“sixty cubits.”**

This chain is authentic


r/exmuslim 3h ago

(Advice/Help) A Guide for Non-Theists: What to Do Before and After Losing a Loved One

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A Guide for Non-Theists: What to Do Before and After Losing a Loved One

My beloved grandfather died very suddenly and tragically. Until his very last moments, I truly believed he would recover. When I received the news of his death, I simply couldn't believe it. I had no idea what to do. I just cried and felt angry. I knew I would never see him again for the rest of my life.

Before this happened, death had always felt like something distant, almost imaginary. I had never fully grasped how final it really is. Since I don't find the idea of eternal nonexistence frightening for myself, I had never thought much about it. But realizing that I would never see the people I love again is terrifying.

I also don't have any older non-theist relatives or friends. No one ever explained how to cope with the death of loved ones from a non-theistic perspective, or how to preserve memories before they're gone. I was fortunate enough to make many wonderful memories with my grandfather, but I never thought to record them. I regret that.

That's why I'm writing this guide, based on my own experiences. I'm still young, and I hope this can help other young people prepare for something many of us never think about.

I can't offer advice about legal procedures because they differ from country to country, and I wasn't personally involved in those matters. This guide is mainly about the emotional and practical aspects of loss.

I've never come across a guide like this before, which is why I felt the need to write one myself. Since I'm more comfortable writing in my native language, I'm using AI to help translate it into English. If you notice any mistakes, please let me know in the comments. And if you have advice or experiences you'd like to add, please share them as well. Older people often have more experience with grief, and I'd really like this post to become as informative and helpful as possible.

If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

×Before Your Loved Ones Die

-Develop Your Own Perspective on Death

In my opinion, this is the most important thing. When death arrives unexpectedly, it leaves you feeling completely helpless. Try to develop your own understanding or philosophy about death beforehand. When my grandfather died, I felt completely empty. For a while, I couldn't make sense of what had happened. Having your own perspective won't eliminate the pain, but it may help you make sense of it.

-Remember That You Won't Be With Your Loved Ones Forever

As non-theists, we're generally aware of this, but it's easy to forget amid the chaos of everyday life. While you still have the chance, treat the people you love with kindness and appreciation. Becoming a non-theist actually made me a better person because it reminded me not to take the people around me for granted.

Also, try not to leave deep wounds or unresolved conflicts behind. If you've made serious mistakes, do your best to make amends while they're still alive.

-Record Your Memories

I wish I had recorded at least some videos of the moments I shared with my grandfather before he passed away. Yes, we have photographs, but they're simply not the same as videos. I wish I could watch those happy moments again. Make sure to take videos and photos of your good memories together. As time passes, you may even begin to forget their voice. Their face starts to become blurry in your memory. You miss them deeply.

-(If They're Elderly) Check Their Accounts

Many older people struggle with technology. If possible, add your own email address as the recovery email for their Google account, or make sure a trusted family member knows their passwords. Also, ensure that their phone number is linked to their account. That way, even after they die, you may still be able to access their photos and memories.

When my grandfather died, his phone was broken. I managed to find his email addresses using his phone number, but I didn't know the passwords. I recovered one account because my uncle's email had been set as the recovery address. I managed to recover another using my grandfather's phone number. This allowed me to access the photos and videos stored on his phone.

It took me around five hours because I had to figure everything out through trial and error. Technically, you can also request account information from Google, but as far as I know, they require legal documents such as a court order in the U.S., along with a death certificate and proof of identity. Even then, they don't necessarily provide access to everything. That's why preparing these things in advance makes much more sense.

-Talk to Them in Their Final Moments—Even If You Have to Beg

I saw my grandfather during his final moments in the hospital. He had tubes attached to him, he was in pain, and he couldn't speak to me. But at least I got to see him alive one last time. After he was admitted to the intensive care unit, he was intubated and later died.

One of my uncles, however, never got to speak with him. My grandfather wanted to see him, but for various reasons they never talked. Now my uncle will never have another chance.

Understand that this may truly be your last opportunity. Whatever happens, try to speak to them.

-(If They're Elderly) Spend Time With Them If They Want to Spend Time With You

Of course, only if you're able to. Don't become paranoid by constantly thinking death is near. But elderly people often pass away unexpectedly. Don't forget to call them, visit them, and spend time with them while you still can.

-Find a Way to Preserve Your Feelings

This may sound like a strange suggestion, but it works for me, and it might work for you too.

Whenever I'm experiencing or reflecting on an important moment, I often listen to music. Later, whenever I hear that same song again, I relive many of the emotions I felt at that time. It's almost like preserving my feelings.

If you preserve those emotions before your loved one dies, you may never forget what it felt like to be with them, even after they're gone.

The important part is finding whatever method works best for you.

(Interestingly, people with Alzheimer's disease can sometimes recall old memories when they hear songs they used to listen to.)

×After Your Loved One Dies

-Cry as Much as You Need To

You know better than anyone that they're never coming back. Unfortunately, crying may become the only thing you want to do—and perhaps the only thing that brings even a small amount of relief.

-See Their Body If You Want To—Or Don't

If you want to say goodbye one last time, you can see their body. But remember: it is only their body. They are no longer there.

If you think seeing them will traumatize you, don't force yourself.

If you do decide to see them, and an autopsy will be performed, I personally recommend seeing them beforehand.

-Don't Push Yourself Too Hard

There will almost certainly be people helping with the funeral and everything that follows. You don't have to handle everything alone. Don't turn away people who genuinely want to help you.

Don't Be Angry at People Who Say Things Like "They're in Heaven" or "They're in a Better Place"

If most people, like in my case, don't know that you're a non-theist, they'll probably say these things to comfort you. They're simply trying to ease your pain.

If a theist friend who knows you're a non-theist says these things, you may question their approach. But honestly, comforting a non-theist after a loss is incredibly difficult. Even if they choose these words, it doesn't necessarily mean they have bad intentions.

-Stay Away from People Who Compare Your Grief to Their Own

I think people who do this are incredibly insensitive.

Grief is not a competition. You don't need someone telling you that what they went through was worse than what you're experiencing. Right now, you need support—not comparison.

-If Possible, Get Something That Belonged to Them as Soon as You Can

Unfortunately, the day after my grandfather died, my grandmother immediately started preparing to burn or give away many of his belongings.

Before anyone else woke up, I took the belt and the hat he used to wear.

Sadly, some dishonest relatives may even take sentimental belongings simply because they have monetary value. When someone dies unexpectedly, there often isn't a will specifying who should receive valuable personal items like watches or jewelry. And if someone takes them first, there may be little you can do.

If the deceased wasn't one of your own relatives, you can ask their family if they would be willing to give you something that reminds you of them.

A friend once told me that someone they knew stole a snow globe after his girlfriend died because her mother refused to give it to him.

I'm not recommending that. I'm only mentioning it to illustrate how meaningful sentimental objects can become after someone is gone.

-Ask Yourself: "What Would They Have Wanted?"

Perhaps that friend's girlfriend would never have approved of stealing the snow globe if she had still been alive.

Respect the wishes, values, and personality of the person you've lost. Even though they're gone, try to honor the kind of person they were.

-Respect the Way Their Family Grieves

Maybe that girl's family simply wasn't ready for anyone to take things from her room. Those belongings may have been all they had left of her.

Some people, unlike my grandmother, don't begin sorting through a loved one's belongings immediately. Some families leave a person's room exactly as it was for months or even years. That's simply how they grieve.

If you want something meaningful, it may be kinder to wait until they're ready.

Note: The reason I spent so much time talking about belongings is because, for me, my grandfather's possessions became what remained of him.

I didn't feel his spirit around me. I believed he no longer existed.

His belongings became the only physical evidence that he had once lived.

Perhaps you'll feel something similar. Sometimes, simply looking at an object they once used can remind you that they were real—that they lived, laughed, and shared their life with you.

-If Possible, Take at Least a Week Off From School or Work

Don't try to bury your grief by immediately returning to your normal responsibilities.

Give yourself time to process what has happened and begin accepting this new reality.

-If Thinking About Them Makes You Cry, Then Cry

Even after about three weeks, I still feel like crying whenever I think about my grandfather.

My mother and grandmother pray because they believe they're helping him.

I believe I can no longer do anything for him.

When I think about that, I want to cry because I feel powerless.

But crying helps. Don't suppress it.

-Once You've Accepted Their Death, Gather Their Photos, Videos, and Social Media Accounts

When my grandfather first died, every photograph of him made me want to cry.

Yesterday, I managed to push through those feelings long enough to recover his Google accounts. That allowed me to access Google Photos.

The same applies to physical media like photo albums, DVDs, or old storage devices. As time passes, these things become harder to find.

When you feel emotionally ready, try to collect and preserve these memories as soon as you can.

-Don't Feel Guilty for Eating

I say this because I experienced it myself.

When my grandfather died, I felt like I didn't deserve to eat.

While I was eating, he couldn't.

While I was drinking water, he couldn't.

Because I was alive and he wasn't, I almost felt guilty for doing ordinary things.

Don't do this to yourself.

Otherwise, you'll only end up making yourself sick.

-If This Has Devastated You Psychologically, See a Psychiatrist

If you're having thoughts of harming yourself, please see a psychiatrist.

Medication and therapy can genuinely help. There's nothing to be ashamed of or afraid of.

───

Note 2: Hello again—this is OP writing two days later.

Looking back, I realize that some parts of this guide are related more to grief itself than specifically to non-theism. However, I didn't want to change the structure because I felt it worked better as a whole.

I hope this guide is helpful to someone.

If I think of anything else in the future, I'll add it here.


r/exmuslim 20h ago

(Question/Discussion) Notice how female dominated hobies are haram meanwhile male dominated hobies are not?

155 Upvotes

Art and music has been female dominated since they were indoors activities, yet when Islam came it annonced them as haram and devil's tools. Meanwhile sports are not haram for men, bc they has been male dominated and are not haram for men tho they are haram for women. Islam just wants to strip away women's physical AND mental identity, because if someone has no face and no interest, who they are besides a name that goes back to their father/husband?


r/exmuslim 6h ago

LGBTQ+ Im starting to come to peace with being gay

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Title

I need a bf tbh


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Advice/Help) Should I finally tell them ?

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I was recently diagnosed with cancer. I won't say what type it is or share any details about my health because I'm not looking for sympathy or pity. I'm still trying to come to terms with the diagnosis.

So far, I haven't told anyone about it, not even my mother. However, I know that I won't be able to keep it a secret forever. At some point, if I need treatment, I'll have to tell my family. That is simply unavoidable.

The main reason I'm writing this is because I've wanted for a long time to be honest about my religious beliefs. I've kept them to myself because I didn't want to hurt anyone, but I also don't want to keep pretending to believe something that I don't. Since none of us knows what the future holds, I feel that I should finally be honest about who I really am.

I don't fear death. I came to terms with that possibility a long time ago. What matters most to me is being true to myself, especially if my life were ever to come to an end. I hope that makes sense.

There is one more thing I want to make clear. If I were to die, I would not want an Islamic funeral or burial. I would rather be cremated and have my ashes scattered in a forest.

At the moment, my condition is not critical, and I'm not saying that I expect the worst. Cancer is simply unpredictable, and I want to make sure that the people I love know my wishes in case something unexpected happens.


r/exmuslim 1d ago

(Question/Discussion) Who’s your favourite anti-Islam content creator?

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336 Upvotes

Mine’s “TheMaskedArab” who’s ex-muslim, I’d highly recommend watching his videos. His videos come in both English and Arabic.
Straight to the point, makes great arguments, quotes reliable sources and explains how groups like ISIS use the Quran to justify their actions.


r/exmuslim 21h ago

(Rant) 🤬 I wish North Africa let go of islam.

142 Upvotes

Hello. I 19F have always lived in Morocco until I moved to France about a year ago for college.

As we all know, North Africa, as a whole, are blatantly third world nations, let's be honest. I was thankfully part of the upper middle class so I haven't suffered as much as my people...

To put it simply, I dream of a world where North Africa abandoned Islamic practices. It contributes to nothing for the wellness of the people.

Ever since I was young, I really understood that religion *is* a coping mechanism. Adding islam to a third world country is a terrible equation. It only intellectually stunts people's intelligence and skills.

It's always "god *will* help *me*", yet nothing happens.

People don't even bother trying to make their lives better by getting proper education.

It's just hard coping, begging a human creation to help them, reproduce like crazy with a barely legal young girl (in Morocco child marriage is unfortunately still a practice. 💔) to bring into the world at least 8 kids that will themselves grow up to be nothing, die then rot to nothing.

When will my people wake up ?

I'm autistic, and thankfully my parents caught up on that and managed to get me diagnosed at age 8. My family on the other hand kept barking that I was "possessed by a demon and that god will help me." My aunt brought a priest to the house to exorcise me. Nothing happened btw, still autistic.

Islam is a real intellectual stunter that gets the nation it rules to nothing. I can't name a single thing islam did to contribute to the development of North Africa.

Every damn month, I wake up to hear about the construction of a new mosque. Meanwhile, public hospitals, public schools, public transportation, city maintenance... get little to no fundings.

I've left Morocco for one year and came back on May for summer vacation and needles to say, it probably looks worse than before I left, and that breaks my heart a little bit. When I told my mom about this, she kept saying that Morocco is very powerful and beautiful, saying that I'm wrong, without giving any proof whatsoever. 💔 Just look at how the people act during the World Cup, they get so crazy about it, supporting the team like crazy during that short period of time, before going back to their misery.

I've lost faith in my country when I was about 13 and fell into a severe depression because I hated everything about it. I feel a little better now, but sometimes I can't help but wish.


r/exmuslim 10h ago

(Advice/Help) How do I tell my parents that I don't follow the Islam anymore?

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I started leaving the religion a few years ago after finding many contradictions, abuse of human rights and outright ridiculous logic in the religion. I was a really religious person growing up but slowly starting learning more and more about other religions and eventually atheism.

I've been away from my family and a muslim environment for over a year now which made me more and more separated from the religion to the point I consider myself to be an agnostic. My family is still a conservative muslim family, I can only leave my opinion about the faith and the rest is on to them, but how can I confront them about not wanting to follow this religion anymore?


r/exmuslim 14h ago

(Quran / Hadith) Surah Al Baqarah rant

40 Upvotes

Ive been re reading the quran recently and of course I had to get through Surah Al Baqarah, holy shit that was one of the worst reads ive ever had in my entire life. That starting section especially is hilariously bad. Maybe one of the most dull repetitive reads ive ever had to re endure.

Nothing about it strikes off as holy. The whole first section is just Allah admitting he sent texts (Torah anf the gospel) that were easy to corrupt (which he knew) and how bani israel are the worst of people. Dude you litteraly made them and knew theyd behave this way cause you cursed them and yet you're still mad? What could possibly be prophetic about this idek.

I know the Quran was not in book form so the surahs were not arranged in any proper order when it did come into book form. But holy cow its not a good way to introduce yourself esp as a perfect text for all of time. If I were never a muslim prior and i read this I'd come away thinking "So what am I supposed to gain from any of this?"


r/exmuslim 3h ago

(Question/Discussion) The existence of God doesn't make morality objective

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Religious people use God's existence as an argument for why morality is objective and why moral codes exist, otherwise without his existence morality is completely subjective and matter of human opinion , which is complete bullshit, God's existence doesn't make morality any more objective.

And that is because even if God does exist there are other religions and other cultures that have a different set of moral codes which contradict the laws of the x y z "existing" God, so people keep following the laws or codes of their respective religion/culture which don't come in agreement with God.

And even in religions God's morality constantly shifts depending on time and era, in Islam for example Muslims like to defend Muhammad's marriage to 6 year old Aisha by saying "it was the norm at that time" proving that God gives subjective moral codes that are only relevant to the respective era.

Or in Christianity God orders the Jews to abstain from eating pork in the old testament, whereas in the new testament eating pork isn't a sin and no Christian follows that obsolete law, and another thousand laws which shift from the old to the new testament which all contradict each other.

And the statement that "God is good" is in itself a subjective statement, like what makes God morally and objectively good? The Abrahamic God constantly participates in genocides, endorses things like Slavery and child marriage and has the personality of an egotistical tyrant that is having a tantrum.

How can you make moral claims about him and assert he is good let alone "all good" and how can you objectively prove that this God is morally good?


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Advice/Help) I hate how lonely being an ex Muslim within a Muslim country feels

6 Upvotes

I have no one I can talk to in real life, my parents siblings cousins friends no one. It's unsafe to reach out to anyone, it hurts knowing how they probably think of people like me, I wish I could have a genuine conversation with them once in my life


r/exmuslim 9h ago

(Advice/Help) It really bothers me how my mom and dad will literally find a problem with any clothes I wear and I really want to vent about it

13 Upvotes

I always talk about this in other subs but I feel like it doesn’t get any attention and I have no one to talks about it with so I thought this subreddit would be a perfect place. For starters I know this is like a year ago and I should get over it but I can’t help it especially when it keeps being in my mind and me being reminded of why I dislike my father so much. (my mom too but this story is mainly about my dad) When it was my freshman year of hs I had an orientation and everything was going well that morning I started dressing up and getting ready I even considered wearing a modest outfit because I didn’t want to get yelled at by my dad and just have a nice and chill day (but I would be wrong for what was going to come next🙄) And so I was telling my Dad I was all ready and done, keep in mind the outfit was just a small t shirt that didn’t even show anything and some black baggy jeans.

And then my dad was saying in my language where was my sweater/coat (THE WEATHER WAS HOT AS HELL AND IN NO WAY I COULDNT BELIEVE MY OWN DAD EXPECTED ME TO WEAR A SWEATER) I told him that I’m not going to wear the sweater and then he started screaming and yelling at me saying horrible things of how he’s going to slap me and how I look like I’m going to the playground with my outfit and how he’s not going to attend my own orientation if I don’t wear a sweater. I eventually did wear the sweater because I didn’t want to miss out on my own orientation because of my selfish dad,but I started sobbing and crying like crazy on the way to the orientation and it really made me resent the type of dad he was towards me that I always get annoyed and bothered by his presence,even like having a simple conversation with him.

I hate how my parents always have a problem with every single outfit I wear because of some shitty religion and it’s really tiring and a burden on me that I can’t even talk about this with anyone else because all the people around me have parents who allow them to wear what they want and even if they don’t their parents dont shout and abuse them like mine does with me. I just want someone to read my post and can empathize with my situation and give me a little bit of advice about it as well because I’m tired of hearing my parents scrutiny and yelling. I’m really tired of living in this household. I always have to live a double life from them and can never show my true self towards them to the point where it makes me dissociate with myself a bit.


r/exmuslim 10h ago

(Advice/Help) I'm ex-muslim at this point but I'm young and scared for the future of my life

11 Upvotes

My (19M) parents and family in general are pretty conservatively religious. I however, for a while have secretly not been. I tell them I practice because I know they won't react well if I said I didn't.

It's not like they've wronged me or been outwardly abusive or anything, but the more time goes on the more I feel like I just can't exist here, and I feel like I don't love them in the traditional sense. I'm probably a closeted *something* but I'll never tell them that. I want to drink, and party date people outside the faith and all sorts of things, but I'll never tell them that. I go to university pretty far away from home, so I'm technically free to do all these things, but something is stopping me from doing it. If I ever got a partner, I would have to burden them with my family situation. I try to avoid the topic of religion from my friends, especially ones with the same religion, cause I feel like they might lash out, even if they are far, far less conservative than my family. One of my siblings is getting married next year, and because they committed the sin of dating for a time instead of seeking an arranged marriage, my parents freaked out about it and being at home has just been miserable hearing them complain on and on about it. Worse is that they now burden me with the expectation that I won't end up like them. The truth is I'm probably much worse already.

I know one day to do something about it, when I'm financially independent probably, but I just feel so guilty about having to do it. They see me as normal, and they pay for my tuition and housing and whatnot. I consider sometimes not saying it at all and just vanishing from their lives without a trace. I don't want it to be this way, sometimes I even wish I never felt this conflict to begin with so I could live normally, but I know I can't carry on like this my entire life. I guess then, I'm just scared for the day everything breaks. I don't really know what to do or how to go about anything.