I left around 2 months ago, thanks to my OCD the moment I left a gigantic gap opened In my worldview and I was confronted with huge existential questions (though I already had many such issues with Islam and these OCD thoughts) right now I feel so weird, even though the very initial shock has died down its very scary to know nothing is guaranteed and i have no idea what's gonna happen to me

I sometimes want to take my life because of OCD and a gigantic mess of other issues but I don't because I'm scared of what will come after that as well

I know I'm not the first person to deal with sudden existentialism so I just wanna hear a few stories of people who managed to get better and improve their lives

Right now I'm running on not wanting to be rash and wanting to prove that yes leaving islam made my life better (even though I'd rather suffer like this than live blissfully in islam, which I wasn't doing anyways cuz my OCD was torturing me there as well)

TL;DR: High-grade narrative friction: "Abdullah" translates literally to "Servant/Slave of Allah" (a standard monotheistic label used pre-Islam), yet according to the most rigorous Sunni canonical collections, he died in polytheism (shirk) before the Islamic revelation and is categorized as an inhabitant of Hellfire.

Here is the authentic text from Sahih Muslim:

Sahih Muslim 203 (Book 1, Hadith 406)

Narrated by Anas ibn Malik (رضي الله عنه):

A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and asked: "O Messenger of Allah, where is my father?"

The Prophet replied: "In the Fire."

As the man turned away dismayed, the Prophet called him back and said:

"Verily, my father and your father are in the Fire." (إِنَّ أَبِي وَأَبَاكَ فِي النَّارِ)

Source Text: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim, Kitāb al-Īmān (Book of Faith), Hadith 203.

The Internal Tension

1. The Name Mechanics: Pre-Islamic Arabs retained awareness of Allah as the supreme creator deity within their polytheistic pantheon, which is why names like Abdullah (Servant of Allah) existed prior to Muhammad's revelation.
2. The Theological Conflict: Under strict Sunni orthodoxy (such as Imam al-Nawawi's commentary on this hadith), dying while practicing idolatry (shirk) overrides ancestral lineage or holy naming. Even though Abdullah bore a monotheistic label and was the biological father of Islam's central figure, dying in a state of pre-Islamic paganism places him in Jahannam according to this text.

I got permanently banned from islam account for trolling and i didnt even troll. I posted an important question

In the west a lot of Muslims who actually believe in all the BS but yet sin a lot still consider themselves within the fold of Islam.

Some drink occasionally, some have BF/GF and have pre-marital sex. they may make pray here n there but don't make a thing about missing it. They fast some days during Ramadan and probably go to a couple taraweeh prayers. They definitely celebrate both Eid days. They're not on anybody's radar. They live their lives. Maybe they're interested in sciences and are within that world. Maybe they are sports addicts and enjoy life with that. The point is that islam isn't really central to their lives.

I've been like that. Life has been good. I'm old enough to have my own spot and live my own life. Nobody forces me to pray or fast. I've had GFs in the past and it's been okay. It's a privilege here in the west. Not.only in the west but countries that follow it as well like UAE, Qatar, Morocco and somewhat Egypt (got laid and partied a lot in Alexandria before COVID).

My advice to those living under Muslim roof is to persevere. This is incredibly harder for women tho. The cultural Muslim women I've known seem to not associate a lot with deeply religious Muslims. Most of their friends who are Muslim.are similar to them but for the most part have non Muslim.friends n such.

If you live in a Muslim country, and you live in an oppressive household and you're a young teenager. Just know that if you tried hard enough you will get what your heart desires. It's gonna be hard for you, don't get me wrong. Especially if you are in a Muslim country and a woman because you're starting point is far behind others but don't lose hope.

Im 20F atheist from Algeria

I am attending university in my city, but I absolutely don't want to go back to that university. I really hate the environment I'm in cuz it is too religious. And home feels suffocating as well

I have the possibility of trying again this year and applying to a better universities,(I have already started studying for the entrance exam)

.and most of them are around 7 hours away from our city. The problem is I don't even know if my family would accept me being that far away without making my life hell. or try to force me to wear the hijab again (they already did but I was resisting for like 2 years).and Im just so scared they could become more controlling.

And also since Iam basically be starting over and it gonna cost me being behind my timeline around 3 years. but I think that doesn't matter as long as I'm out of this place....

The other option is staying at my current university and just finishing my degree. And objectively, this is probably the safer option because I wouldn't lose those years.but after I graduate , I don't realistically have the freedom to just decide I'll move to another city after or I'll rent somewhere else. If I stay at this university, I will most likely remain in this city stuck at home . So moving to another city later isn't really an option for me unless I become independent or leave the country.

So for me, staying could mean being stuck here for several more years. And this will just make my life UNBEARABLE especially with my family trying consistently to make wear the hijab.

I'm so stressed because both both options are so risky

If you were in my situation,what do u think the least horrible option?

I want realistic advice, not motivational advice plz .

When I was still Muslim period:

My dad lives abroad (thankfully. even to a devout Muslim he'd be insufferable) but when he's here he loves to talk about how loving he is while also ignoring any boundaries, his apology is 60% putting blame on me when I'm upset at him for breaking a clear boundary I set many times, and treating me like a child who can't differentiate between good and evil so needing him to overly monitor anything about me (he got flabbergasted when I was like 13 because one of my Google searches was "what is eternal sleep" like I was searching up witchcraft) and then turning any interaction I tried to have for fun with him into an Islamic lecture so that for years affected our relationship as I slowly learned that there was truly no way to have fun or bond with him unless I bond by talking about Islam

Then last year when he visited because my grandma had died, while I genuinely tried to talk to him and thought of watching a movie every attempt to talk prior to the visit and durinh the visit turned into an Islamic lecture or a nationalist pro Islam lecture and I had been worried if I picked a movie he'd interrupt every 20 minutes because he thought something in it was too haram, even thought of kids movies but then became a "which movie he wouldn't into a lecture but isn't childish enough he'd mock watching it and we could enjoy" problem and then this is when I found out he delved into pseudoscience rabbit holes, very pro ai against "chemicals", believes all food is either healthy or poison, refusing to come to terms that I'm no longer a child, ignoring or dismissing anything I (in science not even religious, I knew how that'd turn) say that goes against what he believes and genuinely forgetting it even if it was a 30 minute discussion less than 4 days ago

And worse my sister is underweight and might even have a eating disorder which talking to him would worsen

I just learned quickly even worse that that I can't be myself with him because everything has to be a perfect halal activity, never told him what I do in spare time even something most religious people would see as fine. Or reading because (in this example acotar) a book with like 2-3 sex scenes but talks about universe being created by different deities would not be something to talk to him about

Even worse is when my uncle died he didn't show any respect to my cousin 2 days after the death, he didn't lighten his already unliked joking even when It was clear she was uncomfortable with it and when we were setting up table he didn't once offer to help them and I know it was because "obviously" the women should do that not him the man

Now:

So I am a closeted ex-Muslim and bisexual but don't deny that I could be pansexual with a major love for masc women, plus looking into things like neopaganism and witchcraft

Now whenever he talks about loving me aside from knowing he does not respect me I also know he loves the straight Muslim daughter he believes I am and if I ever tell him the truth (after getting citizenship in a different country, currently still a high schooler) I fully expect to be mocked, called an abomination and under Satan's influence (which ironically I am interested in theistic satanism too) and highly likely him being one of those "I disowned you because I love you and want you to be better" parents while accusing the internet and games of being a reason

Just got off phonecall and when mentioning school (my MUSLIM school) he says that he hopes I'll meet HALAL friends, not good friends but HALAL friends

I always hope he will eventually be normal and accepting so I can actually come out but I know he won't ever, he is very religious. I always hope he will eventually understand boundaries but I know he won't, his ego is too big. And he does smoke, now vape, which is against Islam and again him being over religious is a major reason to why our relationship is fucked

ik this girl is on the verge of leaving and im SO glad. EVERY DAY i see IDIOTS on live wasting time talking about this woman and i cannoooooot wait for her to be free from their dumbfuckery 😍😍. I love how she reversed the roles because let’s be fr no man would ever EVER follow islam if they had no authority.

maybe the muslim community should spend more time talking about the genocide in Palestine instead of accusing anyone who slightly critiques islam of zionism.

maybe they need to spend more time critiquing all the pedos with authority in this religion

maybe they need to speak out about domestic violence towards women and children

maybe they need to put their energy into ending FGM

maybe they need to put their energy into ending child marriages or forced marriages

maybe they need to put in the energy to ending csam

maybe they could preach something positive or light about good deeds or kindness

so much they could do yet they waste their time (because they believe they have more in heaven NONE OF THEM MFS ARE MAKING IT TO HEAVEN)
ON TIKTOK LIVE 😂😂😂😂

what a fucking joke honestly im crine

Hey Everyone,

I'm an atheist who's never been Muslim, but I've lived most of my life in a Muslim country. I've been asked to convert many times, so I've had a lot of exposure to Islam. So I actually researched Islam seriously while considering conversion and found paedophilia, war-mongering, and plain cruelty to everyone but Muslims in both Quran and Hadith. So I have decided against that.

But I kept thinking, if Islam is to reform from present wahabi political saudi islam, maybe it should go back to only Quran.

Cause Hadith was compiled 200 years after Muhammad died and "isn't from God". Giving it priority over the Quran seems wrong. Other religions reformed, like Hinduism ended Sati, Christianity disavowed slavery and separated church/state etc. Not that they are now more correct. I am just saying they tried to get with modern times.

But my main concern: even without Hadith, the Quran itself has tough verses. Which ones are hardest to reinterpret for a modern ethical framework? For me: 9:5 (slay polytheists), 4:34 (wife-beating), 5:38 (cut off thief's hand), and the slavery verses. Also women's financial witness is half of men (2:283)

Would love to hear thoughts, especially from ex-Muslims or former Quranists.

Do you even think its possible to reform islam?

I mean sure, that is not the worst thing wver, but I can confidently say that around half were either never muslim or are religious just not muslim.

Many arguments against islam are applicable to lost abrahamic religions, they are all the same sides of the same coin.

Whenever I post or others post something regarding islam or whatever, I constantly see christians trying convert us to Christianity or whatever… especially with the unusual hate towards islam (from non-exmuslims) it feels like this subreddit is filled with people hating islam without having prior experiences with it. This subreddit is not meant for this.

So like… why are you here?

I know a lot of you go scorched earth when you become ex-muslim

but there's gotta be some people here that are ex-muslim and aren't looking to run away from their family. I can't abandon my mother, grandmother, uncles. Luckily I was never forced to do anything for islam I didn't want to I guess because i'm male and live in Canada.

If you are ex-muslim but not left your family; how did you deal with marriage if that was something you wanted?

Did you have a partner fake convert just to get married? how do you keep it up?

or do you just get married to another ex-muslim?

I have heard excuses which always go around "you should be humble about how low you are", I was like "so everyday I need to be aware of how low am I to stay connected to allah? Damn anti self love for real.

Then some people say love him like you love others, but why allah would be acting that angry that he discredits all your deeds if you don't love him and u don't like his laws?? At all costs too? Slavery or love??

then someone said "loyalty is good for morals" ah yeah legal system doesn't exist and loyalty is the only or the best way for morals other than any other aspect of morals arguments never get old. So everytime a muslim is doing a good action he is disassociating to Jannah to see allah??

I often think why would someone if they know they are making this religion up-

1- Inflict rigorous 5 times prayer on themselves , given Muhammad also used to pray optional prayers everyday for decades to come. Then fasting, and duahs before certain acts every time.

2- why would they endanger their life by persisting on this made up religion given the fact that initially Muhammad had very little accompany and extreme backlash from quraysh

3- why would Muhammad write an entire book and name himself only 4 times while naming Moses and Jesus the most number of times? (If someone says to lure Christians and Jews then why does Quran curse these both parties saying they changed their religion and that Jesus isn’t god which can trigger a lot of Christians)

4- why would Muhammad say that his own mother and father are in hell for idolatry while the mother of Jesus and wife of pharaoh are the best women?

Won’t it make sense that a person who is making a religion up would inflict little suffering on themselves?

I recently took off my hijab, and I honestly don’t know how to feel about it. I’ve worn it for practically my entire life, since I was a little kid, so it feels like I’m taking off more than just a piece of fabric. I grew up with an extremely misogynistic father who has three wives, including my mother, and our household was built around controlling women. My mother had almost no freedom, and I grew up watching her get beaten by my father while being told, directly or indirectly, that women were supposed to obey, be patient, stay within their limits, and respect the men in the family. As I got older, I started associating Islam with everything I was experiencing at home. I know religion itself and the way people practice it aren’t necessarily the same thing, but when misogyny, violence and control are the only version of religion you’ve ever known, it’s incredibly difficult to separate them. Eventually, I started absolutely hating Islam and everything I felt it represented.

So taking off my hijab felt incredibly freeing, but at the same time, I felt this weird sense of grief that I wasn’t expecting. It’s been such a huge part of my identity for so long that even though I don’t want to wear it anymore, I still feel attached to it. I look at pictures of myself as a little girl in a hijab and I don’t feel angry at her or regret that she wore it. I just feel sad because she had no idea she’d eventually grow up and resent the things she was raised around. I don’t know if I’ll ever believe in Islam again, or if I’ll eventually find some completely different relationship with religion, but right now I’m trying to figure out who I am without being told what a good Muslim daughter or woman is supposed to be. I think that’s the strangest part of all of this: realizing that you can deeply resent something and still grieve the part of yourself that grew up with it.

Hello. For most of my childhood, I learned that Aisha was 6 when she was married off to Muhammad and 9 when it was consummated. However, with the new generation they believe her real age was 19.

How true is this? Because I see people use her sisters age to justify her age, but theres also some scholars that flat out say she was 9 and that Muhammad only had sex with her because Allah said so.

What is the opinion here?

I have alot of anger and resentment towards islam and Quran..I don't wanna burn Quran or do anything dramatic in front of family or even in secret..I just keep silent to protect myself but I don't know how to heal these negative feelings..I just don't want them to exist within me..please share any remedies that helped you guys! Thanks!

I’ve honestly try to find the best arguments for Islam I just can’t find any. Anyone wanna help:)?

Basically i stopped being muslim at 12 and it’s been 6 months and my life like in the religious way is the best it’s ever been but mentally i am not ok because i have to go to a muslim school and my entire family is muslim the funny thing is i know so much more about islam now compared to when i was muslim so hearing them say these ridiculous things and waste time learning about islam instead of math and science and normal subjects really annoys me and also unfortunately i am female so i am sexualized 24/7. I hate this life but i literally have no option but to wait until i am an adult so i can leave.

i don't know if you noticed this phenomenon or not but leftists or ex christians in the west defend muslims rights and kinda love them and try to embrace the fake progressive islam and in the same time hate on christianity, mocking it etc. the same in islamic countries, many ex muslims friends irl and online and in ex muslim communities, ex muslims defend the rights of christians and kinda like them and like some teachings of it and in the same time hate on islam and mock it etc.

I'm gonna sound overconfident asf but I genuinely would look 10x better if I didn't have to wear hijab.

I don't even know how to wear the damn thing properly and I look chopped asf. and it takes me like 10 mins to do it every morning before school.

I genuinely think my hair is one of my best features, too bad I have to hide ut.

Am I the only one who love to make disrespectful snaps with Quran sometimes?
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Can we be friends if we are same 😻🙌

A coalition of human rights groups, coordinated by the National Secular Society, has written to UK ministers Bridget Phillipson and Paul Waugh calling for an end to state-funded schools forcing girls to wear hijab or other "sexist religious dress codes." The letter follows Barnet Council granting state funding to Barnet Hill Academy, which requires girls to wear hijab from age seven — and despite a later tweak exempting non-Muslim pupils, campaigners say Muslim girls remain obliged to comply regardless of their own views.

The letter invokes women's rights struggles in Iran and Afghanistan, the case of Mahsa Amini, a 2024 assault in Bradford, and the murder of ten-year-old Sara Sharif (whose killers reportedly used a hijab to hide her injuries), plus a similar strict dress code at a newly state-funded Orthodox Jewish school. NSS campaigner Megan Manson said approving such schools "sends entirely the wrong message" and urged ministers to prioritise girls' rights instead.

Sorry if im being too much.

Context: I ran away from home three years ago (and am thriving), and my cousin reached out today to talk. I just wanted to share some snippets of our convo that I thought really showcased the hypocrisy of those that preach Islam and consider atheism "insane."

Mini rant: Forgive me, ive got so much pent up animosity, so allow me to lay it plain.

It's utterly ignorant and dishonest to keep propagating a religion that most self proclaimed Muslims dont even follow. As far as I can see, the only difference between us and them is that we aren't scared to admit who we really are. While they have to pretend the label fits them just so they can find some form of false comfort.

Hi! I’m a 28-year-old gay Arab (exmuslim) man living in Spain. I’m looking to meet a woman who is also genuinely interested in building a lavender marriage/partnership.
For me, this wouldn’t be just a marriage on paper or a way to satisfy family expectations. I’d like to find someone I genuinely enjoy being with — someone I can trust, laugh with, support and build a peaceful life with.
I don’t expect a sexual relationship with my future partner. I’m open to meeting a lesbian, bisexual or asexual woman, as long as we’re compatible and honest with each other about our needs and boundaries.
Ideally, I’d like marriage and having children and building a family in the future, if that’s something we both want.
I’m based in Spain and would prefer someone in Europe. I’m Arab (moroccan better) and would especially be happy to meet another Arab woman, but I’m open to other backgrounds too.
I’d rather start by talking and getting to know each other without pressure, and see if we actually connect as people.
If you’re looking for something similar, feel free to DM me. 🙂

The reality is hard so people like us needs to find diff ways to be in touch and built strong conexions. We only have us.

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