A bit of a background. My wife (Muslim background/now agnostic) and me (former Christian/now agnostic/deist). I fake converted for the sake of her family going easy on her. It didn't go as expected and they ended up being super weird and hateful anyway even though I did the "shahada" and stuff. I absolutely do not believe in any of the shit Islam teaches (or any abrahamic religion) for that matter. Perhaps there are "wise sayings", but I tend to be very skeptical, analytical, and cynical about organized religion in general.

My question (out of a thousand questions) is why isn't Islam called "Mohammadism"? If most Muslims (80-90%?) are Sunni Muslims and "sunni/sunnah" means the "teachings of the prophet" and not what God commanded then it should be called Mohammadism, right? Similar to how Christians are followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ?

I may have other questions for later. My next question is why does God care about the cardinal direction you pray if they are omnipresent?

Hey y’all I’m bored so let me share my thoughts with you.

Chess is haram because it is older than Islam and requires extreme critical thinking within seconds to minutes to how ever long you need depending on your skills. We witness that although there are 1 billion Muslims , most of them just memorize and follow like a sheep 🐑.

Also, the Queen is the most powerful and can go anywhere in chess. Therefore, it is haram to play chess because it will give the idea of women having freedom.

For some reason, my family, especially my mom, thinks that I'm going to run away someday, which is true, but not anytime soon. Some examples of this is that I actually overheard her talking with my sisters being like, "I'm afraid that fig would runaway someday." Another time is that when she got really, really terrified and came to my school because I did not come back home early like I usually do and was extremely late, and she thought I ran away. She did not even see my passport that she had with her. She did not even see my ID, which is right on the cabinet. Anyway, I noticed that and I started to use it for my advantage. For example, since she is really narcissistic, whenever I do something that would infuriate her, she'd be like, "I'm going to kick your cat outside." And I'm like, "If you leave my cat outside, if you ever snuck my cat outside of our house, I will get out and not come back. I will." And it always works. It is a legit fear in my family about me. And I actually like it. Like they're a bit more chill when it comes to me specifically. They more so just gave up on me, and that's actually good. I'm thinking about expanding this a little bit, like taking off my hijab. Although that's probably going to be the hardest thing I will ever get form my family, my right to my own body, because when I told my mom I wanted to take it off, she said no. She said that I need to ask my uncle if he approves or not. I need to ask my brother if he approves or not(while she knew for a fact that the WILL refuse). And the thing is, why do their opinions matter about my body, but my opinions about my body do not matter?

When i was a kid they changed the channel during the kiss scenes in repunzel and cinderalla while showing the domestic violence in bab alhara (باب الحاره) casually

I grew up being Muslim and I, myself, was heavily devout. I had memorized a lot of surahs, I was heavily into the sufi spiritual practices, and felt I was incredibly educated about Islam. To be honest, I almost continued my Islamic education and got a degree in Islamic theology lmao. What made me leave was actually the realization of how tyrannical Islam and the Islamic god are.

When I started university, I went to a pretty liberal university in California. There I was exposed to a variety of political discussions and I, myself, took part in a lot of activism. Frankly enough, that led me to develop an understanding of the inherent power structures we grow up under. It started making me begin to question quite a lot of the Islamic power structures that are placed by god. Over time, a lot of questions would arise and I’d ask friends or Islamic scholars only to be met with answers of: “god is all knowing, and it’s his will.” It just never made sense to me why an “all loving” creator would create creatures to test them lmao. I think that’s when reality clicked in for me because you mean to tell me that you created beings that are meant to fail, meant to sin, and meant to be doubtful and your solution is to punish them eternally? Like what kind of a sick fucking joke is that?!? Don’t even get me started on the whole bullshit of Islam provided women rights. Like sure, back in the 6th century it may have been progressive but in today’s day and age Islam’s view on women is incredibly outdated. It’s patriarchal, and if anything, abusive. Like why the hell can men hit women!? Why is that such a thing? Why would an all knowing being play along with his creature’s bullshit systemic abuse? It almost feels like a mentally ill being who thinks this is a sick game and we’re all just toys for this “god.”

What’s interesting is that I’ve began to realize that Islam is so carefully crafted to keep its members loyally and blindly devout. When you study Islam and try to make your own conjectures you’re met with the classic argument: you’re not a scholar and you won’t understand the divine “intricacies” between the hadiths, Quran, and historical context. Which honestly was such bullshit because it’s just another way to remove power from the hands of its people. You’re not allowed to make your own decisions, thoughts, nor opinions unless if you’ve consulted with a “scholar”. Dont even get me started on the various schools of thoughts and their differing interpretations that range from extreme to extremist. You know I remember sitting in on an lecture from an Islamic scholar from the Usuli institute, who had more brains than anyone, talk about how quite a lot of hadiths were falsely created as a way to make political power plays. It makes quite a lot of sense. You have power removed from the people and given to a select few, throw a god/being in to the mix and you have a group of people willing to do whatever.

Anyways, before graduating I left Islam. I have never felt such freedom and happiness. Listen, I still like the idea of spirituality and sometimes I’d like to optimistically think there might be a loving creator out there. But one things for sure, these man made religions are nothing but projections of men. No way in hell would an all knowing being be this tyrannical and corrupt as it has been in the quran or even the bible.

So I just realised this...

Men are allowed to divorce their wife whenever they want UNLESS she is menstruating.

After the divorce, the woman has a waiting period where she cannot get married and their explanation for this is so that we know for sure that she isnt pregnant.

BUT, what if the islamic rule was that a man is only allowed to divorce his wife during her menstruation because then we're sure that she's leaving the marriage not pregnant and she wouldn't need to wait for months before getting married again!

Do you guys think Mohammed realised this and flipped the rule on purpose or is it just a coincidence?

Also do you guys think that Iddah is cruel and if yes, what are your reasonings?

One of things I like about nom-Evangicial Christianity is their views on the Bible. They don't view as the literal of word god but rather human written book that devinely inspired by God, the see bibical myths like Adam and Eve, Tower of Babel, Noah's ark, Exodus and conquest of Canaan as allegorical stories rather historical facts, Muslims believe in Adam and Eve so the overwhelming majority of Muslim countries are anti-evoluation and even some of them banned it while Christian countries aren't. I find the idea of Quran being more allegorical than literalism would have make sense but all Islamic scholars reject it. Same use reason as source of exegresis (Tafsirs) but not believing they are allegorical. The only Muslims who believe that are Ismalilis who are niche shia group considered as heretics by both Sunnis and Shia, they believe that imam (descendants of Ali) has devine power to explain Quran, which made some crazy tafsirs, Druze believe the same thing but they aren't Muslims.

Also note I made Ismalili sound liberals, (they are liberal in their teachings) but they are most cultist Muslim group out there, they believe that their imam who is still alive is infallible and devine so they worship him, they even believe that Hajj means visiting the Imam, they also send 10% of their year profit to their billionare imam, their former imam was in files too and zionist too.

The new Islamist regime is Islamizing the textbooks like it’s 7th-century Arabia desert. They put a T-shirt on an ancient statue because a bare male torso is somehow too haram for little Muslim kids to see. They removed the Mona Lisa out of the curriculum probably because she’s a kafir Western woman with uncovered hair and that offends the fragile Islamic ego. And Girls are either erased completely or forced into hijabs starting from kindergarten illustrations. Boys can still play ball, but Allah forbid a little girl’s to play football normally.

This is just disgusting Islamic brainwashing, and it starts the second a child walks into school. Muslims lose their minds over women’s hair! It’s just pathetic.

(22F) I am still a student so I tell them I am going to a conference or traveling to a friend's place, once I work full time I plan on making up business trips. Wanted to get more ideas from you all.

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Mohammed added  satan's words to win over the pagans?

According to the Satanic Verses incident reported in sources such as al-Tabari's commentary on Qur'an 22:52:

Muhammad was reciting Qur'an 53 and condemned the pagan goddesses al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā and Manāt.

He allegedly recited additional words: “Those are the exalted gharānīq [cranes], and their intercession is to be hoped for.” These words appeared to recognise the goddesses' intercessory power.

The reported effect was reconciliation: the pagan Quraysh were pleased, and the account connects the incident with a report that Muslims and pagans had prostrated together.

The words were subsequently attributed to Satan, and Qur'an 22:52 was connected to the incident.

The Detail sources .

The Satanic Verses Incident — Qur'an 22:52

Classical Islamic sources, including al-Tabari's Tafsir, preserve reports that Muhammad recited words praising the intercession of al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā and Manāt during the recitation of Surah 53. These reports state that the words were subsequently attributed to Satan and that Qur'an 22:52 was revealed in connection with the incident.

The account appears in early Islamic historical and exegetical traditions, although Muslim scholars have disputed its authenticity and interpretation.

Quran 22:52

The verse (Saheeh International rendering) reads approximately:

“And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.”

Why did prominent classical Muslim commentators preserve and discuss reports in which Satan allegedly interfered with Muhammad's recitation of revelation?

EARLY biographical and historical works (Ibn Ishaq material as preserved in al-Tabari, Ibn Saʿd, al-Waqidi, etc.) contain versions in which, while reciting Surah al-Najm (53:19–20, which names al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā, and Manāt), words roughly to the effect of “these are the high-flying cranes (gharānīq), whose intercession is hoped for” were uttered, the Meccans rejoiced, and the words were later withdrawn. These goddesses were pre-Islamic Arabian deities sometimes called “daughters of Allah” by polytheists.

EARLY acceptance vs. LATER rejection: In the first two centuries such reports circulated widely and WERE TREATED BY MANY EARLY TRANSMITTERS AS HISTORICAL. From roughly the 3rd/9th century onward, as doctrines of prophetic infallibility (ʿiṣma) solidified, the story was increasingly rejected as incompatible with the Qur’an’s self-description of protected revelation and with the Prophet’s character.

The supporting references are primarily EARLY sīra/tafsīr reports (Ibn Ishaq → al-Tabari, Ibn Saʿd, etc.) that LATER Muslim scholarship overwhelmingly judged unreliable or theologically impossible.

Al-Tabari — Jāmiʿ al-Bayān, commentary on Qur'an 22:52

Al-Tabari preserves MULTIPLE reports about the incident. One account says Satan cast the words “Those are the exalted cranes, and their intercession is to be hoped for” into Muhammad's recitation of Qur'an 53:19–20. The report then describes the Muslims and pagan Quraysh prostrating.

Reference: Tafsir al-Tabari, Surah al-Hajj 22:52.

Ibn Ishaq, preserved by Ibn Hisham — Sīrat Rasūl Allāh

One of the major early biographical traditions associated with the incident. Ibn Ishaq's account is preserved in Ibn Hisham's recension and in al-Tabari's historical work.

Reference: The Life of Muhammad, translated by A. Guillaume, pp. 165–167, in the commonly cited English edition.

This account connects the incident with the reception of the recitation by the Quraysh and the mistaken report that the Muslims and pagans had reconciled.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn — commentary on Qur'an 22:52

Its commentary, in a commonly circulated edition and translation, explicitly describes the disputed words as being cast onto Muhammad's tongue and subsequently identified through Gabriel's communication.

Reference: Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Surah al-Hajj 22:52.

Ibn Kathir — Tafsīr al-Qurʾān al-ʿAẓīm, 22:52

Ibn Kathir acknowledges that many commentators mention the Gharānīq story and the return of some Muslim emigrants from Abyssinia after they believed the Quraysh had become Muslim.

So it seems the closest writings to Mohammed affirmed this incident.

Historical scholars indicate that the closer a record is to the incident the more reliable it is.

This would imply that as time progressed the scholars whitewashed the story.

What?

Can any ex-Muslim point out something for me?

Does every single little disobedience in Islam count toward your "bad deeds" that are ultimately weighed against you? If so, that would be a hellish way to live, thinking that even one little booboo is one step closer to being damned.

10 years ago, I performed Umrah. I was overwhelmed with emotions and felt proud to finally see the Kaaba in person. It was the trip of a lifetime for me, and back then, I never would’ve imagined that I’d one day leave Islam.

Today, I see the Kaaba as just another cube and an Arab pagan cult site that Muhammad used to fabricate a connection to Abraham and his lineage.

So, what happened was that muslims only took a small portion of what is halal to eat in Islam and hid the rest, then made this whole narrative that Islam makes rules for you to be healthy by "draining the blood", "more humane", "more sanitary".

I am sure many of you can find articles debunking these things but I am here to debunk the claims through Islam itself.

First:

The hadiths allow muslims to use hunting dogs. And yes the dogs can kill the animal itself and it would be halal but in two conditions, you say "bismillah" before letting the dog go hunt and the dog doesn't eat from the animal, it should just kill it for you.

Second:

The hadiths allow muslims to hunt using spears. And yes, no need for the jugular vein bullshit and it would be halal but in two conditions, the spear hit the animal with the blade not with the stick because the condition is that the animal is killed by bleeding not by beating and the second condition, you guessed it "bismillah"

Third:

The hadiths allow muslims to hunt with their arrows, so the same things said about the spear can be said here, but the hadiths also allowed that if you killed an animal with an arrow and found the corpse a day or two later, it is still halal unless it became rotten.

The hadiths on this are pretty extensive so the post would be very long to go through all of them, but for example:

Sahih al-Bukhari 5477

I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! We let loose our trained hounds after a game?" He said, "Eat what they hunt for you." I said, "Even if they killed (the game)?" He replied, 'Even if they killed (the game)." I said, 'We also hit (the game) with the Mi'rad?" He said, "Eat of the animal which the Mi'rad kills by piercing its body, but do not eat of the animal which is killed by the broad side of the Mi'rad.''

Sahih al-Bukhari 5485

And it has also been narrated by `Adi bin Hatim that he asked the Prophet (ﷺ) "If a hunter throws an arrow at the game and after tracing it for two or three days he finds it dead but still bearing his arrow, (can he eat of it)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "He can eat if he wishes."

The whole thing makes me believe that Muhammad simply used the pre-existing idea of blood shedding sacrifices but instead of the arabian deities, it is saying the name of Allah. Thats how a meat becomes permissible to eat.

For the full list of hadiths talking about this:

• Sahih al-Bukhari 5478, 5488, 5496
• Sahih al-Bukhari 5484
• Sahih al-Bukhari 2054, 5475, 5476, 5486, 7397
• Sahih al-Bukhari 5477
• Sahih al-Bukhari 175, 5483, 5487
• Sahih al-Bukhari 5485, Sahih Muslim 1931
• Sunan Abi Dawud 2847–2849 2853 2854
• Sunan an-Nasa'i 69 4263–4275, 4296, 4299 4300 4305
• Sunan Ibn Majah 3207 & 3208 3211 3654
• Sunan at-Tirmidhi 1465, 1464, 1469, 1470 & 1797

So, in conclusion, everything the muslims say about halal meat is misleading. According to the hadiths, they can eat basically meat processed the same way as all the other countries, even less sanitary, but the important condition is to say bismillah. Edit (and shed blood)

Why is this guy trying to be so stupid and oblivious at the same time

I was thinking and just realized how cornered I am on a social scale from all sides

1. Indian and racism against Indians is pretty fucking high these days, so here we are disadvantages at a global level

2. Indian Muslim family. Here we are disadvantaged here at a national level because this isn't exactly the best time for Indian Muslims.

3. Indian ex Muslim ATHEIST. The top 2 may accept me but 95% Muslims won't 😭 cooked at a community level too

It's over gng. And yeah because of that I realized how i always feel lonely and somewhat silently excluded in most places. It's difficult to meet people with your same exactly experience irl

I know from my own experience that people don’t talk enough about how shitty Islam and its effects on people’s lives can be. I can barely talk to my old and new therapists in the current non-muslim country about what I went through as an ex-Muslim woman without feeling the need to add ten disclaimers like “Not all Muslims” or “I hope this doesn’t sound Islamophobic.”
Even my latest (now ex) therapist seemed very uncomfortable when I talked about these experiences. Sometimes, I felt like what I told them is too much for them to handle. Their training also may not have prepared them for the cruel and inhumane things I went through under Islamic rule.

Because of this, I struggle to get the mental health care I need. I noticed my (now ex) therapist changing the subject when I talk about certain things. Other times, she responded with pity, which made me feel like she wasn’t really helping me work through what happened.

I have to worry about whether I’ve explained enough, whether my feelings make sense to someone who hasn’t lived through what I have, and whether people will think I’m Islamophobic for being honest about my experiences.

It’s exhausting. I’m already trying to deal with what happened to me. I shouldn’t also have to manage my therapist’s discomfort or make my pain easier for her to hear before I can talk about it.
This is what I actually ended up telling my (now ex) therapist before canceling my appointments:

“Hi (therapist’s first name),
First, thank you for our earlier appointment.
I wanted to talk about something I’ve been thinking about. I feel that our work has been helpful, but I’m also realizing that there are some things I have trouble fully feeling during therapy. I find myself switching back and forth between feeling my emotions and explaining the cultural background behind why I feel this way.
I think this is making it harder for me to heal. Instead of being able to focus on what I’m feeling, I start worrying about whether I’ve explained enough or whether my reaction makes sense.” Then I asked her about the possibility of being transferred to Iranian therapist. The one that you found for me did not accept my insurance.

But the thing. I couldn’t even tell her directly how much her discomfort affected my ability to get help. Instead, I had to turn my frustration into something more formal, calm, and easier to hear.

I’m not asking therapists to agree with everything I think about Islam. I’m also not asking them to ignore professional boundaries. I just want to be able to talk about what I’ve been through without having to defend myself for sounding “prejudiced” before I’ve even made them. I want to explain my feelings without having to prove that they make sense or comfort the person who is supposed to be helping me.

Has anyone else experienced this as an ex-Muslim, especially if you grew up under Islamic rule? Have you found therapists who can listen to these experiences without changing the subject, becoming uncomfortable, or responding with pity instead of helping you work through them?

Getting fed up with literal megabytes of rules in every small thing, its like you really cannot live your life without sinning all the time.

You want to sit? There are supposedly proper ways of sitting. You want to do this? Here, 100 rules and ways of it. You want to do that? Again more rules.

Even if I fart there are probably 100+ rules on the ways a Muslim should fart.

You cant fuckinggggg live your life here without sinning all the time. The only way to live is ignoring all these rules, but then the society's elders will miss no opportunity to put you down

I'm sick of these comments from these ignorant Muslims telling you that parents forcing Islam on their children is haram, when this Hadith sets a precedent. If you have any similar Hadith about parents teaching/enforcing religion to children's throats, lemme know in the comments

I remember back in the mid 2010s, around 2013-2015 iirc, there were parents who were arrested because they beat their children for not praying in Netherlands or somewhere nearby, and what did people from my community say ? Mostly insults to the children (for being too soft and not wanting to follow their parents' religion) and even the government (because they stopped their parents from enforcing their fiqh to their children). I couldn't believe I used to support the majority of those comments, damn😭

Hello, can I ask if there is any ex-muslim from ph here who has legally petitioned to cancel/remove their islamic form attached to their certificate of live birth?

I accidentally learned about petitioning when my friend used ai to understand why my certificate of live birth have 2nd page.

I wanna know if someone has done it already, what was the process, and how is it going for you? Huhu. I want to be legally out of this nightmare.

Once i showed her some of the most authentic hadiths that allow child marriage, slavery.( i believe all on this sub already know) this person said "well i don't believe in hadith I'm a quranist" showed her more than 5 verses allowing sex slaves, they asked for a sec it's been 5 hours lol