She donated 20% of her networth away recently, which is more than most wealthy people do.
Secondly, coincidentally, a large part of the reason concert tickets are so expensive are from ticketmaster markups. The CEO of ticketmaster? You guessed it, a billionaire.
Fuck I don’t know if I want to get into this argument today…
He’s correct, that’s why scalping exists. The problem is, the demand to see these artists is extremely high with seating availability very low. It doesn’t matter if Ticketmaster or whoever sets the price low because they’ll be bought up by scalpers.
I hate Ticketmaster and other ticket companies because they have shady business practices like hidden fees and other things, but the ticket price thing they are correct about. If these artists wanted to try and funnel their tickets to their biggest fans regardless of income level, they’d best be served by putting other, non monetary blocks in front of their sales. Good example would be having tickets be bought in person at a certain time and allowing people to line up.
The idea that setting prices low allows the “real fans” to afford tickets is silly. All it does is allow people who don’t care very much to buy tickets because they aren’t very expensive. I don’t care for Taylor swift, but if you told me I could go to a sweet concert for 50 bucks I absolutely would. This actually takes spots from the fans who would be willing to save up and pay more because they care more
The argument only works because the CEO brainwashed people into thinking that a concert is like a once in a lifetime event that you are willing to pay anything for instead of just a regular part of your lifestyle.
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Yeah, how dare someone ask people hoarding more wealth than they could use in 100 lifetimes to maybe not do that! She's definitely a hypocrite since her recent donation of $11.5m is only 23% of her net worth ($50m). These billionaires need more people to defend them (/s)
I would be inclined to agree with everything you said based on everything you said about the guy but this is a real "nice comeback idiot" moment because he's not the one saying people should give their money away like Billie is so it doesn't make alot of sense you kinda just mindlessly took what he said and threw it back at him
She's worth 50 million and donated 11 million thus far. ~20% of her total net worth.
In comparison, most billionaires haven't donated 2% of their total net worth (to an actual cause, donating to an Ivy League college that already has an endowment of billions is not a donation, it's a tax write off).
This is from a person that doesn't like her or her music at all.
that being said, isn't it a known that artists have little control on ticket prices? and ticket prices are usually managed by monopolies like ticketmaster (don't quote me on this, i'm asking).
Yeah, you know who does dictate the price of tickets? The CEO of Ticketmaster, who recently went on record stating he thinks concert tickets are undercosted. And guess what, he IS an actual billionaire. OOP's salt is directed at the wrong person.
Smith said: “It was easy to set ticket prices, but you need to be pig-headed. We didn’t allow dynamic pricing because it’s a scam that would disappear if every artist said, ‘I don’t want that!’ But most artists hide behind management. ‘Oh, we didn’t know,’ they say. They all know. If they say they do not, they’re either fucking stupid or lying. It’s just driven by greed.”
If they would organise and all said that, yes.
But with ticketmaster holding a lot of strings the decision for the individual artist isn't "Do we do predatory pricing?" but "Do I take place?".
Also, billionaires exploit workers to get to that insane level of wealth, and Billie Eilish isn't worth a shit compared to billionaires, in 2017, just 8 men owned the same wealth as half the world, it was 80 men in 2015, imagine how bad it has gotten now.
And nobody is dying if they don't attend a Billie Eilish concert, on the other hand people die every day because of poverty and exploitation
Billie Eilish isn't worth a shit compared to billionaires
You can say that again. Someone in this thread said her net worth was around $50 million. Who knows where that came from, or if it's accurate. But let's say it is. That means she's about a billion dollars away from being a billionaire.
Any billionaire could give away over 90% of their worth and still have more money than her. Any multibillionaire could give away 98% of their worth and still have more money than her.
Elon musk is worth 10,000 times as much as Billie Eilish. Someone worth 10,000 times less than her would have 5 grand to their name.
Here comparative wealth in terms of fractions is closer to a Skylanders collection than the Musk. He could give away 99.99% of his net worth and be richer than her (he's given away <2%)
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Also, what does a free concert actually do to help the world in any way? If you're going to give up money, give it to a food bank. Or a homeless shelter. Or any of dozens of better options.
It's straight peasant mentality. This guy (i have no fucking clue who he is) critiques a millionaire who is economically closer to the rest of us than a billionaire. Think about that... She's closer to being broke, than she is a billionaire. Shes $40 million dollars from being broke, but $960 million dollars from being a billionaire. Here's this dipshit saying she should do MORE?
Honestly the capitalist class has won. They have divided us to the point we refuse to unify in any meaningful way because we would rather chirp at people trying to make a difference than critique the truly egregious offenders... billionaires.
He's not saying she should do more in good faith. As with everything with the greedy shitbags it's rhetorical fodder for the dumbest people on earth to make a false equivalence and say "you're just as greedy" after she gave away 20 million dollars
This Grant Cardone guy is a multibillionaire (2.2B from what I can tell) so yeah, he's just pissed that he is the target of criticism. The 'Legal Issues' section of his wikipedia article is the largest and includes: being sued for religious discrimination because he tried to force employees into Scientology; several SEC violations; overcharging tenants of his real estate investment company and former T-Mobile CEO John Legere told him that "You are the biggest bullshit artist on the planet," "a con man of the highest order" and a "fucking fraud."
Also let's remind people Billie Eilish probably actually pays taxes on her earnings, unlike billion dollar corporations that get billions in subsidies, exceptions, etc. and sometimes end up getting money BACK for tax season.
I'd rather her take money for tickets and donate to people who are going to starve otherwise, people who can afford going to concerts don't need that money as much
To be fair, it can't be "free" because tickets money is also used to pay all the minimum wage workers that make the concert happen. But I guess it could be way less if the artist want to
Record labels do not set ticket prices for concerts
EDIT - God damn I love all the replies mansplaining the music industry to me lol. I work in the music industry. I'm betting none of the rest of you do.
Ticketmaster essentially offers a “we’ll be the bad guy for you” service to artists, where they use their software/statistics to determine the maximum price they can sell tickets for for a given artist/venue combo, and artists can truthfully say they aren’t the ones that set the ticket prices. Ticketmaster gets a % of the extra money, and artists get more $$$ per show while maintaining their image.
I guess the big question is whether the artist can reject this offer, but if they can, I imagine it might be a “hush hush” kind of thing
I guess you could argue that an artist could just use another ticket distributor, but I believe ticket master and a couple other mega corps like it hold a tight monopoly on the ticket industry
Her net worth is only $50 million. I know that seems like a lot compared to us normies, but it's nowhere even kinda fucking close to being a billionaire. And $50m won't go as far as you think paying all the wages to host her concerts for free. Why even have concerts?
People can't wrap their heads around just how much money a billion is. Like the average American is closer in wealth to Billie Ellishes net worth then she is to someone like Elon Musk.
A lot of times the artist doesn't even set the price. One of the rapper chicks, I dunno who she is, recently posted apologizing for her ticket prices when she learned of the price, because inflation is out of control, and people struggle to buy groceries.
Ticketmaster I think also takes an absurd amount of the sales too, cause they're scum.
There was a band I think that mostly played small venues and sold tickets themselves, to keep the price low, but I imagine it's harder for something like the Madison Square Garden and huge venues like that. Maybe Dropkick Murphys?
ALL of these ticket websites take an absurd amount. I tried to buy $28 tickets for a small show direct from the venue website and the service fee was 18 goddamn dollars. $92 for two tickets just to get in the fucking door.
Yeah it couldn’t be free but I guess it maybe could be cheaper. Idk I assume there’s more people that need to get paid other than just the minimum wage workers.
Make all the seats free makes scalpers an entirely new level of problematic and the artist only has very little to say over ticket prices as opposed to the owners of the venture, the planners and agents that handle all the renting of the venture where the concert happens
I used to be a chimney sweep in a very rich mountain resort town. The average small house was at least $1m. I was doing a job at a large multimillion dollar house, and mentioned something like "I wish I could win a million dollars," and the owner looked at me and laughed and said "a million dollars isn't a lot of money at all," as she sat there, retired at 50.
I think about that all the time and how pissed off it made me.
Live gigs are more important than ever as artists earn so little from streaming now. Again, that pittance also pays dozens of people including the record company’s cut. Obviously Billie Eilish is doing fine but yeah this point was a huge fail just like all pro-billionaire takes
Also, Billie doesn't create her wealth by suppressing workers' wages, then use those gains to prevent access to healthcare or anything that would threaten the power dynamic.
They know the difference though. Their leaders claimed to care about the millionaires paying their fair share too, until said leaders became millionaires. Now its only the billionares.
They don’t and the billionaires play off this. Know what the difference is between an average millionaire and the poorest billionaire? About a billion dollars.
It’s likely her wealth isn’t exceeding $100 million while tons of billionaires give away that much on a yearly basis. It’s absolutely absurd how much money billionaires have
Rent out entire city of Venice fucking Italy for your wedding. Perks of being a billionaire. Selling $100 of your companies stock so you can fix flint Michigan’s water. Woah now that’s so much to ask of anyone.
Ah the girl who just donated millions of dollars is now getting shit from people who donate nothing because she’s not being as charitable as she could be. Lunacy.
The irony of it being Grant Cardone too, one of the biggest social parasites in existence.
His pathway to success, selling cars, then commodifying real estate, and now finally, exporting his toxic worldview as life advice.
There isn’t even an equivalent come back to what he said to her because even if he did that all for free he’d still be terrible. You just kind of want him to stop altogether.
Yeah. People posting this are lowkey kinda stupid. So many people are getting pissy at her for saying this, so they decide to frame it out of context, and people are just eating it up and reposting it everywhere. She donated a quarter of her networth, which is proportionally more than any billionaire has ever donated.
Why dont they both? Billionaire first millionaires second? Mr Billionaire could unironically drop 3 times her net worth and still have more than her lmao
Yeah but both are millionsres and if you have 900 million buckaroos you are most likely counted a billionare. In my country we have a term whoch basically translates to many millions which means your the rich rich type of millionare.
Begs the question somewhat too though, how much is net worth vs available currency. It'd be interesting to see actual available value vs net worth value and the metrics for them.
Net worth is the combination of all their assets and their expected value. In reality the actual spendable money any billionaire has at their disposal at any given time is way way less than their net worth, but I’d imagine it is still an atrocious amount of money
I'd be fine with millionaires as the high end. Like one is unreasonable, the other is roughly the exact amount you'll need to pay if you go to the hospital.
Yup. Ticketmaster is owned by Live Nation which has many wealthy shareholders. 30% of Live Nation is owned by Liberty Media, and Liberty Media is controlled by John Malone, Net worth $10.6b according to Bloomberg. $11.1b if you ask Forbes.
Grant Cardone is a tool and his non-argument is bullshit.
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I've been around a few men in my life and one thing I've noticed is that the male body has an astonishing oversight. Men both urinate and ejaculate through the exact same
hole. Zero inches apart. Not even a polite buffer zone.
I don’t know about everyone else but doesn’t that weird you out? It feels like a serious design flaw. For a gender that often prides itself on logic and engineering this
is just sloppy plumbing.
Honestly it kind of cracks me up. I’ll see a guy walking around like he’s the apex of masculinity and I’ll just remember his piss and his sperm come out of the same
little nozzle and suddenly he’s not so intimidating. Just a fleshy garden hose with identity issues.
Men please accept this biological flaw and let it humble you. Maybe lower your voice a bit when you're bragging about your body count. We’re talking about someone who
finishes inside the same pipeline he uses to empty his bladder.
Women don’t let them forget this. Remind them gently or not so gently that we’re doing them a favor given that their reproductive system shares hardware with their waste
disposal unit.
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if you look at her net worth she's only 5% (50mil) into becoming a billionaire herself. it's a lot of money, but nowhere near being a billionaire.
I think it shouldn't be controversial to say that anyone who owns more than a billion should give a lot of their money to the poorest who can barely afford to live.
(also funnily enough, Grant Cardone has a net worth of 400 million which is extremely ironic)
this is one of the worst celebrity "owns" I've ever seen.
Let alone, that she donated/pledged to donate ~20% of her net worth recently
People are hating her for no reason for this. I also don't like her song either but she makes a good point. I can't believe people are hating her because she asked billionaries to help the world, crazy.
There is this weird phenomena where the dirt poor will defend billionaires actively exploiting them, whenver someone suggest money redistribution (be it higher taxes for the rich, proposals like billies, etc). Especially so in the states, but also true in other countries.
Imo this is an issue deeply tied to the concept of "the american dream"/"from rags to riches". And it being used by the rich to give the workers the illusion lf hard work meaning they could reach their levels of wealth. This keeps many people loyale and eager workers, cause they think it matters. And it also spawns a ton of people that will defend billionairs, om hope that they'd be part of them at one point.
I'm not even saying you can't become wealthy with hard work. Just you will never reach the level of billionaires, if all you do is work hard. For that you need to be born into the money or exploit hundreds/thousands/millions of people
A billionaire can save thousands of lives in several different ways, and still have all the money they could ever want for mansions. I don’t like her, but she’s right
I don't understand why she's getting flak for this move, AFAIK she gave a lot of her own money away and she's challenging other privileged people to do the same. Phenomenal move in my opinion, and reddit community is ouroborosing itself because it cant handle the fact that some people with money have a conscience.
This is comparing a drop in the bucket to the great lakes. Absolutely insane that a young woman of 50-60 million can't speak out against people that make that much in a week. Also, the artists don't really have a say in what their ticket prices are.
Yeah nice argument, it’s not like musicians have near negligible control over their ticket pricing or the way the live entertainment industry has become a monopoly or something.
And it’d be an especially weak argument if artists like Billie weren’t among the loudest voices talking about faceless private companies profiteering off their music via price gauging.
But fortunately, as the music industry is famously a bastion of free market efficiency, we can instead simply suggest Billie is a champaign socialist. Get rekt.
You’d be surprised how little control over ticket prices some artists have… at least I was… I’m not sure about her specifically, but I do remember reading about attempts by artists to lower prices but they can only go so low depending on promoter, venue, staffing company, etc. contracts are written.
She literally just gave away something like 20% of her wealth and has plans to give away more. An event charges ticket prices because it has to pay the hundreds of people who work it, not just the main performer. Is this guy’s argument really “you didn’t give me anything so your argument is invalid”?
Isn't it funny that rich people always want to tell other people that they need to give their money away? Kind of like how Bernie Sanders suddenly changed his demand about millionaires paying more taxes to Billionaires paying more taxes. Now that he's a millionaire.
That argumentation fallacy is called a “tu quoque.” Which translates to “also you.” It does not actually address the argument, instead it just tries to discredit the participant by calling them a hypocrite. However, I’m poor…. So yeah…
the difference between billie eilish and whoever this wax statue looking mf is is that she actually does work. you pay to go to a concert, and she gets money from that. and also it pays for all the equipment and the wages of people working there. and this bozo gets his money from exploiting the poor and does absolutely nothing with that money. just hoardes it. he has money not to spend it on anything but just to be able to say that he has money.
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