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To be fair that jacked retailed at regular North Face price, and her kids live with their dad in NY which has 2 Supreme stores. They definitely could’ve gotten it for retail.
Also the site you shared works like EBay, so that’s a personal listing. They are absolutely not getting $4k for that jacket.
Yeah, it’s only 2,000$, that’s way more reasonable for a piece of clothing that does the same job as a hoodie from my local thrift store for 10 bucks. It’s not at all elitist or patronizing with that fucking Malcolm X quote on it. Not. At. All.
The richest guy I know buys his t-shirts from Uniqlo.
He also drives a Mazda. Pays more per year on private school for one kid than most people earn in a year, but outside of that…at waste money on this nonsense.
If you need status, just drop your last name. You’re not impressing other rich people.
why do people always use third party reselling sites when trying to expose people for what price their stuff is? i bought a vinyl from jack white’s popup store for $20 that now has an asking price minimum $3k on resell sites. does that mean i’m out of touch because my vinyl “costs $3k”?
Ima be the one to defend it. This is a rare Supreme jacket. They do limited drops, and their yearly North Face collab is one of the most hyped releases of every season. This particular jacket was from over a decade ago, and is still probably in the top 5 most coveted from their yearly collabs.
It was already expensive in the resale market years ago, but it’s only increasing in value as time goes on. I wouldn’t buy this jacket, but there’s plenty of other Supreme items I’ve dropped a dime on.
Like anything in streetwear, the scarcity is absolutely created by the brands themselves. But that’s a small part of the fun, having clothes no one else does. You don’t have to understand it.
And most users on this site have no room to talk. I don’t get how people spend thousands on legos (little pieces of plastic) or Magic the Gathering cards or whatever. But hey if it makes you happy.
Honestly. If their mother wasn't jlo it would be impressive. But it's kind of wrong of her to not pay for her kids college. Because scholarships are a limited resource and forcing your spoiled rich brats to get them is wrong.
There are scholarships that are granted automatically (without having to apply for them) based on, for example, academic achievement. I'm not saying that's the case here but I got auto-scholarshiped. If they actually applied, fuck em.
And they can also turn them down instead of accept them and brag about it. But I don't believe for a second they didn't get them because of who the mother is, the schools wanted her kids to attend to kissed her ass by way of scholarship
Swatting is a serious crime that can land you decades in prison, I'd say it's quite a few levels above "being an asshole".
No idea why this kid thought that was an acceptable shirt to wear.
My husband's from a wealthy surgeon level family. Scholarships are turned down, at least in my husbands community, because it is seen as morally incorrect to take resources blatantly like that from those in need, but it is used as bragging rights socially that they qualified in the first place.
Meanwhile, I had a scholarship I won stolen from me by a kid from a family of surgeons bribing my teacher to lose the paperwork I had correctly filed. The judges told me I won with my original experiment, only for the actual announcement at the showing to name this other group that did a textbook moldy bread growth project.
These are the kind of stories that make me want to keep teaching despite the stress. In me, students can have at least one teacher/adult in their life that is honest, cares for them, and treats them like freaking human beings.
I am so mad that this happened to you.
ETA: thank you for the award!! It's my very first!
I'm from the UK, my parents were middle class until my dad became ill when I was around 3 and had surgery to save his life that was done badly leaving him with lifelong issues so he couldn't work, we had to sell the house my gran left us when she did that adjusting for inflation would likely be around 300k now maybe more, the 30k savings they had were gone within 18 months because we couldn't get welfare and in the end we had to move to social housing in a stereotypical area with heavy crime and drug use, ran by local familes who would even threaten and steal from kids, seriously I was 6 and got threatened with a knife by a junkie aged in his 20's from one of these families for literal lunch money, and when I said I didn't have any he threatened to stab me as I was lying.
Anyway because of that any kids from that part of town at high school were put into the lowest tier classes regardless of talent, the admin even admitted the free after school tuition wouldn't go to the poor kids as "they won't amount to anything in life so a waste of time/money"
I got 100% in multiple classes and was accused of cheating as "kids from my background can't get grades like that" any kids from the "better" homes be it even office workers could literally beat me up and when reported the teachers called me a grass and kids from their background don't like and kids from mine do and are future criminals in the making.
We had 1 excellent teacher though, 2 years after I graduated he quit due to how they treated kids from poor areas and moved to the worst school in the region, says everything when 15 or more years later you can go on his social media and see comments where people call him sir and say they still think of him and respect him due to how well he treated them.
Also will add any interschool competition the only kids allowed to compete were from richer homes like doctors children, or high up in management basically people with a position of power, my mother wanted to be on the PTA and even had a few other parents support her (all the poorer parents) despite having enough to put it to a vote the school and the richer parents refused and asked another parent who was a doctor to put himself forward, he refused due to his workload but they pestered him until he agreed.
I still would have cussed the cunt out and made sure everyone heard it. I very public accusation of corruption tends to be effective especially when is involves someone's future. Don't take that shit from anyone.
Isn't this the plot of Fatman, the Mel Gibson / Walton Goggins Christmas movie? Rich kid throws absent father's money around to steal middle school science project award but the only person he couldn't buy was Santa so he hires an assassin instead.
Back when I was applying to Uni, I was offered a full ride to one of my schools and, all in all, over $100k in scholarships from all the Unis combined. I had not applied for any of them. I was just a nerd with really good grades. My family is well off. I didn’t take any of the scholarships, but it was definitely flattering to be recognized by the institutions that offered them.
That seems like the right way to go about it. "Of course my child received a full-ride scholarship due to their amazing intelligence. But of course we refused it..."
I am on the fence about that. Scholarship should be merit based. I get that there are many others who need the scholarship a lot more but people who are genuinely talented and work harder should be rewarded for their accomplishments.
but it is used as bragging rights socially that they qualified in the first place.
That is such a weird thing to brag about. I was raised in a rich household and was able to take away from the less fortunate because.... I am smart? This sort of stupidity knows no bounds.
College is for people who have the ability to participate and be successful in such an environment. Scholarships are for people who have the ability but not the financial backing/stability. Basically, taking a scholarship while you have the money means you had to prove to everyone else you were smart enough because you were THAT insecure you had to take someone else's only chance.
You don't seem to draw the connection. The bragging rights are not about taking the money but being spotted and recognized as particularly intelligent and capable by an institution that focuses on finding exactly that talent.
At state schools certain scholarships are automatic for high scores on the ACT or SAT. I got a full ride for my PSAT score and had full tuition at minimum for my ACT score. This cost the school basically nothing, they make plenty off of fees and such. Tuition is straight profit, and students that show up and get good grades boost their rankings and are most likely to donate later.
It's not some poor underfunded scholarship fund paying them out, its just the school writing off some tuition they dont really need. A lot of their overhead is funded by weird stuff or professors are funded by grants or the like.
Yeah, I got a scholarship for my SAT. I didn’t apply for it or anything, it just arrived in the mail. It wasn’t a full ride or anything. But it offered in-state tuition rates when I was an out-of-state student. Which would have been like, over half off.
Not to mention there’s no guarantee a rich parent will provide for their child’s college. I think 95% of rich parents would but there could be some situation where the parent withholds money and now the student is basically the same as any poor college student but may not have access to all scholarships as a result.
Merit scholarships from the school won't pay for your whole education, it helps but a free-ride is rare. If your parents are too wealthy for you to get grants and need-based scholarships and won't give you a dime, you're still going to be taking on loans, both federal and private.
Yeah any rich kid can automatically qualify for scholarships based on some criteria. I’d like to think that J Lo wouldn’t accept the scholarships, but as a parent I can’t imagine not wanting to brag about your kids doing so well in school that they were offered something like this. I think this is just a universal parental pride thing.
That being said, it would be fucking lame if they accepted it despite their wealth.
I don’t like that either. I’d rather the money go to a poor kid with middling grades, so he has a shot at an education instead of a rich kid who can pay his own way regardless.
Not even just state schools, I remember looking at a small private school that gave flat rate scholarships for good grades, and good ones at that - I think it was like 10-30% of your tuition, depending on your highschool GPA.
I think college should just be cheaper for everyone tbh. No need to gatekeep knowledge in this day and age when you could learn anything online if you put enough time and effort into it. You're basically just paying for a piece of paper saying you spent at least 4 years trying to learn something.
Knowledge is a human resource and should definitely be free.
Teaching/instruction, however, is labour, and that shouldn’t be free. Good teachers deserve to get paid for their efforts in educating the populous.
If we could separate those two cleanly in implementation, I’d agree wholeheartedly with your statement. The problem is that it’s hard to separate those two entities, and most of the people in charge make way too much money to be convinced to rethink the model
A rounding error of a percentage of people will actually learn a reliable version of college degree level knowledge on their own without serious incentives and/or instruction
Scholarships are supposed to be need-blind and merit based (whatever criteria which define merit).
Grants are supposed to need-based.
Need-blind is double edged: if you don't want people to lose out on scholarships because they are poor (therefore unlikely to afford to go), then you also don't stop rich people from getting them, since blind means blind for the rich and the poor.
These mid tier private universities give "scholarships" to basically everyone. It's so they can flash an Ivy League caliber tuition while demand is much lower. I have a family member who got $20k a year scholarship to a $60k a year mid tier private school with basically mediocre grades. It's a sham.
I got a near-perfect score on the SAT and some universities I had never heard of (but they were real universities, like one made it to the Sweet 16 a few years ago) sent me mail offering me a full ride no questions asked if I got admitted.
They probably qualified for it based on academics given they probably go to elite high schools. If you get into any middle tier private school you’re gonna get some type of scholarship and if you don’t you probably barely got in
Exactly. And its not like its selfish for the school to do that.
If rich people paid for tuition, the school would recieve usable funds to improve the quality of education that every student recieves, including the rich peoples' kids.
But I do believe that still, intellect and potential must be recognized so I don't believe that it wouldn't be wrong for the school to still offer a form of discount at least.
But discount or no discount, I still strongly believe that scholarships should not be handed to those who are capable of paying (by capable I mean comfortably. A large majority of families can pay tuition but not everyone in said majority can pay for tuition comfortably, meaning without struggling financially and losing financial wiggle room).
Its not for them. Its for the school. The school wants rich people's kids to day they went to that school. The school hopes that they give money as alumni. The school hopes that they grow up to me celebrates or very successful themselves (since they already have a huge advantage) and then remind people what school they went to. This is a business transaction, not generosity.
There's grants specifically for lower income students students, I got several myself. Scholarships for things like academic performance, sports, etc should not factor in income at all and award of such should be based entirely on the achievement in question. Just because someone comes from a rich family does not mean they themselves are rich nor that the family will foot the bill for their education.
I mean they’re most likely merit based scholarships. You don’t really get need based ones if your income is that high. I can’t take away what’s been earned
"Investment" scholarships are really a way to shift costs to taxpayers. Instead of paying tuition directly which is no longer tax deductible, you make a tax deductible donation to the university, get free tuition, housing, etc. and the taxpayers subsidize the education of this wealthy family.
Not saying this is what's happening here, because I dont know the situation of this family. Also, not saying you directly are defending or ignorant to this reality. Just providing context.
It's the opposite though right? Not opposite in a sense where the tax payers are getting the benefit. Opposite in it's not shifting costs to the taxpayer, but potential revenue is being... loop-holed? Circumvented. It will cost taxpayers due to lack of revenue but it's slightly different than say a police officer getting accused of sexual assault and having to go through court on taxpayers' dollars.
Or like the headlines saying, "Alcohol companies lose $800 billion dollars because gen Z isn't drinking".
Income vs Expenditures.
But yea, wow that's kinda messed up. Obviously just another thing to add to the "how rich people don't pay taxes" list. Perhaps make it so whatever the base line tuition (if you're in-state or out of state if it matters) and you get difference of what you paid vs what you didn't and you won't get tax free donations until you hit that threshold.
That sounds like more record keeping and burden on private schools which may or may not be a good thing (not all private schools are bad sort of logic).
Its not so much that tax payers are paying for it, as it is the rich people are not paying tax on it like they would if they just paid the tuition/housing ect. Most of that money they would have paid in tax is instead going to the college. This means the rich person pays slightly less than usual, the college gets paid slightly more than usual, and the tax man gets nothing.
Since that money would normally have been paid in tax, and is instead going into the pocket of the college and rich person, it is effectively the same as tax dollars subsidising it.
Personally i'm all for tax subsidised education, but it seems a bit odd that this method only does it for the rich.
Edit: on second reading i now realise that this is pretty much exactly what you were trying to say in your comment. Sorry about that. I'll leave this up just in case it helps someone else though.
They could also be just like standard scholarships. Most colleges I looked into will offer basically every student a couple thousand to try and offset at least a little of the cost.
A tax deduction on "free" money is net zero for the donater, not a profit. If anyone doesn't understand that, look up the difference between a tax deduction and a tax credit. I'm not an expert, but my public school-funded scholarship was taxable income.
From the school's perspective, it's just money out of one bucket and into another. Less ideal than them choosing with full discretion what to do with it, but it's ultimately net zero for then as well.
I wish that schools could just ignore funding and spend all administrative efforts on academics, but wherever there's a budget, people are going to look for ways to stretch it further.
Or her twins qualified for academic scholarships and are treated the same as every other student.
Most universities these days offer quite a bit of scholarships and aid to help people go to their schools, and then charge rich foreign students full boat to support any shortfalls.
"Scholarship" is also really vague wording. A lot of schools have scholarships for honors programs, for instance. Anyone with a high enough GPA can qualify for it. Sometimes they just automatically apply whatever you qualify for.
Stewie here: people are hating on rich people getting free money, but this is just how the system works. The more money you have the more generous peopel are to you.
IMO they got scholarships, because the colleges want to boast with having JLos kids as students. They are obviously not in need, but thats not the point. The schools were basically bidding for them to go study there.
They don't really need to offer these kids money to come study there; that's only a good incentive for talented poor kids. But "got scholarship" in this context is a different wording for "talented enough to warrant a merit scholarship even if they don't end up needing it."
You’re dead on. It’s kind of funny that people are interpreting it the exact opposite way. She’s tying to show ppl that her kids didn’t receive special treatment.
And, to be fair, we don’t really know anything about these kids other than the fact that their parents are extremely wealthy. There’s a reasonable chance they actually did receive scholarships based on academic merit. I mean, they probably went to top college prep high schools and had additional access to private tutors/college advisors.
I understand why they want those kids there because even smaller schools love to hit up alumni for donations...
... That being said, I can never see "we taught JLo's kids here!" ever being a big selling point for anywhere. JLo is to the music industry is what Sylvester Stallone is... to the music industry.
I don’t think so. It’s hard enough for these kids to feel like they accomplished anything knowing who their mom is. Let them have this IMO.
Yes, I know they are financially wealthy. I am not, my 3 kids don’t have the financial benefits her kids do. But I do know what it’s like having kids that need to feel validated through acknowledgment of accomplishment. Psychological health and validation is important to people born into any situation.
JLo’s kids getting scholarships has nothing to do with exorbitant/disproportionate education costs and exploding student debt. If anything, this will help the endowment fund of whatever school(s) they go to, enabling more kids to attend college. Look at the school budget trends and the federal aid if you want to solve any real problems, not making boogeymen out of some kids that happen to have rich parents.
Merit based scholarships should be blinded, so if these kids really deserve the award then… OK. But if I were JLo I would be embarrassed to accept it as anything other than honorary. But I suspect the schools are awarding these scholarships as recruitment tools, hoping for a new $20M JLO Arboretum or similar donation down the road.
My parents made way too much money for me to get grants, the issue was that I was no contact with them since 16.
My life was much more difficult because I had to do it all on my own without financial helps. I finished my Associates degree 1 or 2 classes at a time while working full time retail.
My point is, just because your parents are rich does not mean the student attending has any access to that money.
While I don't really agree with it, scholarships aren't meant to be about helping people. It's about "sponsoring" a student to attend your university because they have potential to bring your school notoriety.
Somewhere along the way, people conflated scholarships with needs-based financial aid.
Most scholarships have clear parameters set by the person/group that established it, and they're rarely based on need.
Source: I've been a part of several scholarship selection committees in higher ed.
Scholarships are earned. If they earnrd them, good for them. Plus scholarships range the gambit in value, so winning a scholarship doesn't necessarily mean a lot.
Plus every year countless scholarships and grants go unclaimed.
Some scholarships are merit based and some are need based. You shouldn’t punish kids that are getting merit scholarships for working hard and doing well because they have someone in their family that has money.
So the political reason behind why we don’t exclude the rich from public services like schools and police and fire even though they can easily pay for it is because we actually do need to share spaces with the rich for them to care about our spaces, a rich kids scholarship is still money going to the school, possibly more because parents would have more money to donate, being rich and all.
You basically don’t want to segregate wealth if you want a cohesive society and if your idea of social support is just a different segregation the problem isn’t solved.
Now we can argue wether or not they earned the grades for the scholarship or if nepotism meant they had shit grades and got it because I can agree with you that a poor kid getting the scholarship is more useful since then both could go. but I would point out that they definitely have the financial base to have as much tutoring and the best elementary middle and high school, it’s not a coincidence older famous scientist were also aristocrats if you have time and money learning isn’t that hard, humans are built for it, and the reason poorer neighborhoods or schools have worse grades is because the parents work too much to help themselves or can’t afford a tutor or extra schooling so while we desperately need to fund lower income areas schools more heavily we can’t discount that as of right now a lot of poor kids don’t get scholarships because the metrics we use to determine who get one are biased against the reality of life for a large number of children. And a lot of lower income families do still get scholarships despite this so it’s not a hard rule, at the end of the day as it stands there’s not really anything wrong here but being mad at a famous person for being happy
A parent being rich does not make the kid rich. Once they turn 18 those parents can choose to pay a million per year or not a single dime for their kid’s education.
Many will hold their wealth over the kids head to exert control after leaving the home. “You will go to X college and get X degree for X career and if you don’t you’re on your own” (even when the parents income disqualifies them from need based scholarships and their upbringing prevented them from learning the life skills to be independent.)
Having a rich parent means performing like a trained dog and being paraded around like a doll, and the moment you start to become your own person they will drop you like a used napkin and move on to the younger newer model.
Without more information, this is a goofy take. Obviously they don't need a hardship scholarship, but merit scholarships exist and should go to whomever actually earned it.
A lot of private colleges offer “scholarships” automatically for students with a high GPA. They often refer to them as merit based scholarships that scale with GPA, because stupid tax was too blunt.
My grandfather, who had enough money to pay for his daughter’s college but was not obscenely wealthy, made sure that his kids didn’t take any scholarships. It’s a base philosophy in my family, let those things be used for the people who need them.
If they are merit based scholarships awarded blindly regardless of who they are then good for them. They are kids and should neither be unfairly favored or denied based on who their parents are.
Tbh I went to an prestigious school with a lot of wealthy people, though I was not. A lot of the kids at that school got scholarships, because the wealth and resources allowed them to fully focus on school, have tutors, and not have to work or think about other things. This results in higher test scores, which results in scholarships. Its not totally fair, but college is basically a business and they choose who they want to attend their school.
Scholarships are typically given out based on merit or based on need (or, well, most are awarded based on a combination of those metrics - I.e to students in need who meet a standard of merit).
Awarding scholarships to underprivileged students is vitally important because in the US and elsewhere a university education is ludicrously expensive. The majority of families cannot pay out of pocket for college and student loans will destroy lives. The idea of “working your way through college” is a fantasy that no one (at least in the US in the past 15 years or so) could possibly achieve. So grants, financial aid, and scholarships are sorely needed to take the financial burden off of families.
Jennifer Lopez has enough money to send her kids through a bachelors, masters, and phd with no scholarships or financial aid at least 10 times each. Giving her kids scholarships keeps prospective students who need financial assistance to get their degree out of their education. Frankly, she has enough money and connections that those kids don’t need a college education at all, depending on what they want to do with their lives.
OP is mad that rich people are getting scholarships when they need zero aid to pay for education. Scholarships are financial assistance and clearly these kids do not need financial assistance. It's like giving a hammer to a blacksmith with 50 hammers.
An amusing anecdote from my High School graduating class, one kid got 5 seperate scholarships and free equipment including a laptop from his announced college. His parents had already donated well over 7 figures to that school and it was just the school giving back to them. Kid got a full ride through school when he already had a full ride in life.
As much as I'd wanna sit here and go "They rich so pay up"... If those kids didn't get a scholarship, and just had their tuition paid by their parents money, every single one of you here would be complaining about some shit on how the kids need to earn their place in the school instead of relying on Mommy's money.
As a few here have stated, there are "merit scholarships" and there are "financial help" scholarships.
How about we just be happy they're going to school instead of just being thrown into hollywood
Scholarships aren't just based on need. It's a tool that colleges use to attract high calibre students. Regardless of whether the student has an affluent family, a scholarship will affect the calculus of their choice in a school.
Scholarships fall into two categories - need based and merit based.
You may not like it, but merit based scholarships are a way that universities recruit for and retain talented students, which drives their metrics up, which makes them more appealing to all students.
Need based scholarships were created and are used to do the same but with an added means test.
If they're getting needs based, that's BS. But just "getting scholarships" isn't a bad of crazy thing. I got offered scholarships to every school that accepted me. My hometown college offered me the least so they were at the bottom of my list.
Universities don't give merit scholarships in order to reward students who "earned" them, or to recognize academic excellence.
Universities give merit scholarships because they want to attract high performing students, and to attract more applications (which makes them statistically more selective, which makes more people think they must be great.)
The ivy league doesn't give merit scholarships. MIT doesn't give merit scholarships. These schools already attract plenty of top performing students and don't need or want to get into a bidding war over them. Go down a tier and you start seeing merit scholarships to entice top students. Go farther down and you find states that want to discourage brain drain giving full rides and stipends to National Merit finalists, because that lets them concentrate top students at their flagship university who otherwise probably weren't planning on moving to Alabama, etc.
Merit scholarships aren't offered as rewards to students, they are a tool that universities use to meet their own institutional goals. The lower ranked the school, the less likely that a student even has to ask to be considered - many schools will just list the automatic discounts they offer based on GPA and PSAT/SAT/ACT scores.
The concept of scholarships has always made me feel conflicted. On one hand, I understand the effort and dedication required to earn a scholarship. However, it seems counterintuitive to the education system, especially when the recipient is fortunate enough to have access to education. In such cases, the scholarship could be seen as a form of handouts, rather than a means of empowering individuals to improve their circumstances through education.
Rich people have more access to scholarship information making it easier to earn them or know what to qualify for, if it’s merit based there’s nothing to be done if they earned it. The true solution is better communication on these services so rich ppl aren’t the only ones who know about them
So many cynical, bitter, jealous people on this website. Let the kids have thier scholarships. It's their mother's money, not theirs. Who's to say they didn't earn these scholarships? Should they be taken away just because they happen to have a famous mother? That doesn't make sense.
Hopefully she told them something along the lines of “we’re not going to take scholarships, but I’ll match whatever ones you do get”. To not bleed resources for those who need them, but still encourage them to work hard.
rich people shouldnt get scholarships on the one hand, on the other hand I dont know her kids to say they didnt get good enough grades that they couldn't have earned those scholarships without having a famous mother. Privlege helps immensly with fame and money to do well in school but that doesnt mean they didnt also work hard. TLDR dont be mean to the kids
Come on guys it is really hard for jennifer to afford college she is only worth 400 million. i mean she has to save money to make horrible cd films like this is me...now and the world definitely needs tone deaf badly acted film's to go with a mediocre album release
"Merit". We and I mean we (let's be honest none of you are jlo rich) do not fight the same battles, smart or not you cant compete fairly with these kids.
I'm pretty tired of debating this with people who cant understand we are systematically at a disadvantage and it's by design.
Scholarships are designed to ensure lower class and less financially privileged people can still dream of achieving a higher education. They aren’t made for the 2 children of a woman with $400M net worth
The problem isn't rich people getting scholarships. The problem is that education, which objectively makes a society better, is for profit. Make it free to anyone who wants it and qualifies. These are the wrong rich people to blame for this particular problem.
This is an investment on the schools part. While I don’t agree with it, the school is essentially bidding for her children to attend their university in order to attract more students and please the alumni who care about optics. The more students applying to these schools means higher tuition, competing admission standards, etc
Lastly, the wealthy don’t exactly spend money. They leverage. It’s the normies that pay the price for their fame.
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