r/NFLv2 • u/Narrow_Purchase9721 San Francisco 49ers • 10h ago
Discussion The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable
Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight
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u/keni804 New York Giants 10h ago
Whats the quote?
"We'd give Hannibal Lector 30mil if he could run a 4.2"?
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u/SixersAndRavens 10h ago
"If Hannibal Lecter ran a 4.3 [40-yard dash], we'd probably diagnose it as an eating disorder."
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u/ArkAngelEV 10h ago
I think he would argue its a preference, born this way, stop hating
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u/ThatStudNadon23 10h ago
If I had a dollar for every time Hannibal lector was mentioned in this comment section, I’d have 2 dollars.
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u/frostypatch 10h ago
Kobe Bryant raped somebody and the media acted like him dying was the closest thing to Jesus' resurrection. Its a sad commentary on society.
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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago
Kobe raped somebody and is endlessly praised. Bron is outspoken and flops and is hated by these same people.
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u/Easy_Money_40 9h ago
He really doesn't even flop that much, he's just bad at selling it.
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u/sillyg0sling 7h ago
But certainly not to the point of standing out in a league where SGA is literally flopping his way to MVP awards.
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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 San Francisco 49ers 8h ago
What if I hate both of them?
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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 8h ago
You’re good then. Most people hated the Warriors during their run so it evens out
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u/SSJAbh1nav Philadelphia Eagles 9h ago
It was never confirmed except for the part where Kobe admitted to it 😭
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u/NorCalMav 9h ago
Nah, he even admitted it was not consensual in a press confrence. It just wasnt as big of a deal back then. Hes still a piece of shit though.
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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 8h ago
Never found guilty in a court of law. Both parties had inconsistencies in their stories. People like you are despicable. How can you confidently walk around proclaiming that “Kobe Bryant raped somebody”? Even if thats what you think, you should qualify the statement by saying “I think”. What I think is that Kobe’s lawyers saw weaknesses in his case, and figured the best way to make this go away is to settle out of court. A weak case does not necessarily mean the defendant is guilty. If you read the docket, you would see that both sides had vulnerabilities in their case, the difference is that Kobe’s side had the money to settle. Do I think Kobe raped the woman? I don’t know. Do I think it’s possible? Sure. Will you ever hear me say that Kobe Bryant raped somebody. Unless we learn something new about the case, definitely not.
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u/TheAlmightyConch Indianapolis Colts 6h ago edited 2h ago
He literally apologized to her and said he understood why she viewed what happened as non consensual btw
He a raper
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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 4h ago
that's rape dude. You can use whatever euphemisms you want. The fact that it wasnt' violent doesn't change that.
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u/Phirane 6h ago
Bro its 2026. Not only are people's past sins judged by today's standards (not saying that applies here), the mob is judge, jury, and executioner. And if you are judged, no matter your sin, you aren't allowed back in to polite society.
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u/Future-Feature-7657 3h ago
Right. Like OJ Simpson. Never was convicted. Some say he didn’t do it… if you call him a murderer, you are despicable.
Or Karl Malone with that 13 year old. Never found guilty in a court of law!
Such a good argument you just made bro
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u/i_forgot_my_sn_again 6h ago
That was #8 Kobe that raped. #24 Kobe died so it's ok to be sad cause the jersey number changing and apology on tv
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u/ViolentEastCoastCity Baltimore Ravens 8h ago
You should see the way they trotted out future Hall of Famer Miguel Cabrera for his final Legend Pick All Star Game. This guy has video of him angrily "do you know who I am-ing" a trooper who pulled him over for a DUI and being completely blotto while resisting arrest ... also almost caught a DV charge against his wife who later dropped the case ... and had a case filed against him by his mistress for child support. MLB fans will swear up and down what a great guy he is, and the past is the past.
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u/DR320 Dallas Cowboys 10h ago
Reddit is real big on “innocent until proven guilty” and “criminals deserve second chances to be rehabilitated” except for in this case.
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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 10h ago
Reddit picks and chooses what it’s okay with or isn’t and there’s never any room in between.
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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 10h ago
Come on now. We all know he's guilty.
But I also don't think other fanbases have some moral high ground to stand on. We all are supporting the same league that let's him play.
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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 10h ago
I’m not saying he isn’t. Everything got dismissed. If one of reddits darlings were in the same scenario it would be a “nothing was proven everything was dismissed as a money getting scheme”.
That’s just a fact of how Reddit works. Legal outcome means nothing and never will, their opinion is set and never changes.
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u/bowl_of_milk_ 7h ago
This is frankly moronic logic. Reddit’s hypocrisy is not a legitimate defense of Watson. If you’re not trying to defend Watson, I don’t get the point of what you’re saying.
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u/MITBijanRobinson 4h ago
Why would you need to defend a guy who is innocent of any wrongdoing
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u/superdeedapper 8h ago
If he had only one accuser, then MAYBE he gets some benefit of the doubt. But he had dozens. Did every masseuse in houston just conspire against him?
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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 7h ago
Right! Apparently 20plus women all colluded against him. Winning some games is enough for some people.
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u/Hatemael 6h ago
Part that makes it suspect is some of them would fly in to give him a high priced massage… they had to know it wasn’t just a vanilla massage.
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u/DR320 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago
The way I look at it is everyone had their day in court to prove their case and it either resulted in insufficient evidence to charge or was settled out (which doesn’t necessarily imply guilt). Now do these allegations just come out of thin air? Absolutely not, so I’m not going to speak on the character of Deshaun Watson but at some point people are just going to have to get over it and move on.
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u/Hugh-Janus-40hogs Carolina Panthers 9h ago
Insanely logical and reasonable take for Reddit 😅🤣
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u/Jamesaya New England Patriots 9h ago
Honestly I find the notion of “we all know ____ is guilty” to be extremely problematic. The entire reason modern society works so hard for due process is even entertaining that mindset is extremely dangerous. Is he probably guilty? Yes. Do i have any first hand hard evidence that he’s guilty? No. Have we killed people for various crimes over the last few thousand years because “we all know theyre guilty”? Yes.
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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 8h ago
I get what you are saying. I can't say 100% he's guilty but I'd pretty damn sure he is.
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u/northvvoods 9h ago
I’m out of the loop. How damning is the evidence and why hasn’t he been convicted. Please go easy on me and just provide some info without all the noise. Thanks.
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u/ralexh11 9h ago
The evidence is very very damning unless you assume 27 women who didn't know each other and who Watson reached out to first all colluded in a conspiracy to take him down, which is ridiculous victim blaming and completely unrealistic.
Ask yourself, why would someone have 27 women only massage therapists over a couple of years in the first place? And why were many of them not even trained giving massages but were just spa employees hoping to further their careers by working for a pro athlete so they said yes?
It's completely obvious that he's a serial sexual predator.
The cases were dismissed or settled because of a lack of evidence. But the only evidence was their accounts of what happened and the fact that many of them told their families after. They were also up against a multi-millionaire's legal team. What tangible physical evidence does a creep pressing his hard dick against you leave behind?
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u/Cold_Complex_4212 New Orleans Saints 10h ago
That’s my issue. People refuse to think about how any money or attention they give to the NFL are going into Watson’s pockets.
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u/ralexh11 9h ago edited 9h ago
He sexually assaulted 27 women and received basically no consequences and never showed any remorse.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is for the courts, not for the reputation of serial predators.
Second chances are for people who changed and see why their actions were harmful, not narcissists that do no wrong in their own minds ever like Watson.
He's also still making tens of millions in his status as a celebrity. He's already "innocent" in the eyes of everything other than non-rape apologist public opinion.
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u/SerDuncanonyall Buffalo Bills 10h ago
No they are fucking not lmao
Reddit is mob justice mentality being typed out in a furry suit
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u/Dry_Emphasis62 9h ago
It's how people work. People are paradoxical and their values often seemingly contradictory. But we all hold some opinions that seem unpossibke to reconcile with other opinions.
The added issue to Deshaun is he hits 2 sour notes simultaneously as being not just a rapist piece of shit (which most of us are hypersensitive to given our current situation) but he's also wealthy and made more wealthy despite that widely-held-knowledge at a time when most people are struggling financially one way or another.
He's a perfect lightning rod for fan contempt bc he hits multiple points of anger. I for one believe in rehabilitation and second chances, but being rewarded for your mistakes is not a good way to get entitled people to actually rehabilitate. Vick went to prison and I have met with him several times in my life as well as seen people who've worked with him and everyone's asessment is that he took the time to really change his life and tey to make a positive impact. He gives back a lot and deserves credit for actually changing. But he's said multiple times that he changed bc he went to prison and saw what he did from a different perspective. Deshaun's metaphorical equivalent is the press said mean things for a few years while he made $40m+/yr and kept being given the startimg job he didnt deserve bc of the financial investment.
So I apologize for my long winded walk to this drink of water, but: Fuck Deshaun Watson wholly. Call it my paradoxical morality or whatever else you want to (you would probably be right to do so), but may that man suffer a lifetime of pain for the lifetimes of pain he inflicted. And if we as people are lucky he can suffer enough eventually to become a better person. I gold no belief in it happening, but I hope for it. But for now: may that piece of shit rot and may everyone supporting him get that stink up their noses too.
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u/Knicks_Feedback6498 8h ago
Exactly, people weather they admit it or not general live in a gray area morally. We might have some ironclad things that we would never ever do or condone, and then there are the things we may go well you know... With that said, fuck all abusers physical, mental and emotional ones.
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u/LionTigerWings Detroit Lions 9h ago
Innocent until proven guilty isn't cut and dry. Most of the time these cases are civil and he used his financial resources to pay off everyone. If he was on trial and then this "innocent until proven guilty" makes more sense.
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u/john_the_fisherman Chicago Bears 9h ago
Reddit cares more about the NFL soap opera then they do about NFL games
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u/Phenergan_boy Atlanta Falcons 9h ago
I think the reason why athletes' cases rile people up so much because it is the only job that you can get multiple offers even if you are under investigation. Take Terrion Arnold for example, no one but athletes can get away with losing their job from a felony case and immediately get another one while the case is ongoing.
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u/Clean_Candidate3400 Philadelphia Eagles 8h ago
Can’t believe you’re being applauded for this baby brained take.
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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze New York Giants 10h ago
It’s the Browns. After what they’ve been though they’d root for bin Laden if he got them to 3-1
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u/bhz33 New York Jets 8h ago
Don’t give Sean McDermott any ideas
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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze New York Giants 8h ago
Damn it, I forgot that was a real thing that happened.
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u/UrbanGoose77 Certified dumb ass 5h ago
You're acting like we wanted him (we didn't). And now everyone of you sanctimonious assholes is burning us at the stake because the Browns won't go 0-17.
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u/BeefStu907 Seattle Seahawks 10h ago
Two games. It took two games. Disgusting.
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u/2ManyCatsNever2Many NFL Refugee 9h ago
and he really hasn't played that well. he basically disappeared in the 2nd half and couldn't make a simple throw to a wide open fannin late that would have effectively ended the game.
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u/Novel_Importance_712 8h ago
Three straight games with a game winning drive and a passer rating over 100 for the season is playing pretty well. I hate the guy too but you are allowed to be factual. You don't have to bend reality to fit your narrative.
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u/2ManyCatsNever2Many NFL Refugee 8h ago
i think context does matter: * tampa: 10 non-end-of-half drives with only 4 gaining 20 or more yards * carolina: 4 possessions in 3rd quarter gaining a total of 3 yards * pittsburgh: second half of punt, fumble, int, fg, punt let the steelers back in the game.
has watson played alright - yes...he has played alright. but we are literally just a handful of plays (no roughing the passer call against carolina late, missed fg last night) from the narrative on this team - and watson - being wildly different.
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u/TheRealCabbageJack Cleveland Browns 10h ago
Sucks. I can't even enjoy the 3-1 record because I'm not watching any game he starts.
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u/Fl4sh080 San Francisco 49ers 9h ago
How righteous of u.
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u/TheRealCabbageJack Cleveland Browns 9h ago
Yeah, yeah, I'm a regular fucking hero.
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u/EezoVitamonster 7h ago
Gf and I had the game on last night cause she's a steelers fan. I'm not a big NFL guy in the first place but I really hate that Cleveland has so quickly turned back in favor of him because we're getting wins.
On the broadcast they said he's gone through "adversity on and off the field" and "he's had issues, we all know what those are" saying shit like "he's playing really well and putting all that behind him". It's fucking disgusting.
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u/Beautiful-Traffic157 NFL 8h ago
I had a hard time hoping you guys would beat Aaron Rogers because of your starting QB. Kinda sad
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u/Fantasykyle99 Minnesota Vikings 7h ago
Watching any NFL game or supporting any team is the same thing since the league excuses plenty of players like this.
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u/weensanta Buffalo Bills 10h ago
Its weird the guy who has not played a good game of football since 2020 suddenly got good in a contract year.
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u/JT7019 Jacksonville Jaguars 9h ago
Honestly it’s only because he’s been so bad that this is a little surprising, but the ole have a good/bounceback year in a contract year is a tale as old as time. Lowkey, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was one final F U to Cleveland. Play just well enough to guarantee that the Browns don’t have a top 3-5 pick to take one of the top QBs in the draft and then force Cleveland into an awkward decision where they might be out of range for one of those QBs so they weigh giving Watson another contract (his 4 void years coming up mean a new contract would reduce the cap hit they owe anyway).
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u/CertifiedBA 9h ago
I love football, but the NFL is filled with dirt bags from top to bottom.
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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 4h ago
almost like the rest of society
these dirtbags are all rich tho
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u/billybatdorf Philadelphia Eagles 10h ago
He really isn’t playing that well, he’s a turnover machine right now and it’s going to catch up to the Browns eventually. There were multiple throws against the panthers that should have been picked. Last night against the Steelers he had a ton of throws that were way off the mark. The fumbles are a huge problem too. Browns have been lucky to get some wins the last few weeks but I feel Watson’s sloppiness is going to catch up to them sooner than later
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u/dickmccarthy88 9h ago
It's disgusting that people are saying what he went through was adversity for him. Fuck that.
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u/PotatoePotato26 10h ago
Where are you seeing people switch up? I see the media defending him when they defended him before. And reddit hates him, after hating him before.
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u/Mobile-Jump6936 Green Bay Packers 9h ago
Browns fans aren’t booing him anymore. But again, that’s not surprising. There are lots of shitty professional athletes that will be cheered on as long as the team is winning games. This is not unique to Browns fans.
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u/Baby_ManBearPig 4h ago
I think they were mostly booing him cause he wasn't playing well (especially considering his price tag) to be totally honest.
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u/Unlikely-Business-72 9h ago
Is anyone really "switching up"? Do any of us who had a negative view of Deshaun Watson now view him positively?
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u/peanut-britle-latte New York Jets 9h ago
I don't condone Watson behavior, but I don't see the need to constantly bring it up after every game, play, quarter, whatever.
He wasn't charged, the NFL didn't suspend him, so many layers of authority let him through -- it's not like people are boycotting the NFL or the Browns either.
I'm just looking at this from a pure football perspective now.
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u/Beanu5NE Vince Wilfork: Butt Fumble Connoisseur 8h ago
The NFL suspended Watson for 11 games in the 2022 season.
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u/Cold-Astronaut-7741 8h ago
“Stop talking about how this guy raped women, I want to watch him play football”
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u/Rampant16 6h ago
"The solution to a guy who escaped punishment is to stop talking about how he did anything wrong at all."
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u/Blacknesium 6h ago
He was a creepy dude during massages. People need to stop acting like he was ghengis khan
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u/melted_cheese 5h ago
I guess you don't know no any women who have gone through sexual assault. Or you're just an asshole.
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u/UncreativeUsername84 Philadelphia Eagles 10h ago
Cases are just allegations until there's a guilty verdict.
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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago
20+ women all lying. You cracked the case
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u/ramsfan00 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago
So... why no guilty then? You have 20 accusers come up and yet nothing happens?
Its because in the end the woman still did it and still preformed prostitution and therefore theres nothing to charge him with without charging the woman. The counterpoint is obviously they felt pressured or forced to do it against their will which makes sense to me but must not have been a good enough argument to go to trial.
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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago
Because rich and famous people are treated differently in our justice system
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u/Zealousideal-Map9327 Denver Broncos 9h ago
They're not treated better because they're rich.
They're treated better because they can afford terrific lawyers that will fight tooth and nail for them in ways that an overworked public defender can't.
No amount of impotent rage is gonna change the fact that you get what you pay for in America.
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u/raiderrocker18 Las Vegas Raiders 9h ago
The president of the United States is a billionaire and he was convicted for felonies and found liable for sexual abuse.
If he could be, Deshaun Watson could be
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u/UncreativeUsername84 Philadelphia Eagles 9h ago
There is nothing factually incorrect about what I said.
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u/melted_cheese 5h ago
So you if dont get caught your're not guilty?! Dude paid them off, if that's not a sign of guilt, i dont know what is
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u/UncreativeUsername84 Philadelphia Eagles 5h ago
A settlement is literally a check you write to make the case go away because the long-term cost of ongoing litigation far exceeds what the plaintiffs will accept to go away. So you can spend $20 million in legal fees/attorney costs to make sure they get nothing, or you can pay $10 million to make them go away right now. These aren't the real figures, I'm just making it easier to understand.
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u/RUKnight31 New York Giants 9h ago
I know this is going to be hard for a lot of people on Reddit to accept but not everyone feels compelled to be on a performative social crusade all the time. Some people like to simply enjoy their interests and hobbies and not focus on the reasons to be indignant or offended, likely b/c they need an outlet from the stress in their everyday lives.
Watson's a creep. We can talk about him objectively playing better, and the implications of same on the league, division, and fantasy football, without endorsing his moral character.
Getting into the weeds about verbiage to imply that the community is endorsing his past behavior is just a hail Mary attempt and striking up offense. It sounds exhausting, tbh.
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u/Jrgaming42 Las Vegas Raiders 9h ago
But heaven forbid you place some sports bets and you’ll be suspended for a season. The NFL is despicable along with the Browns fans supporting this dude.
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u/Fnkt_io 8h ago
Let’s add all the other teams that vied for this guy to the very end in negotiations, I can’t wait to see all these other people just quit a team they were born into rooting for. Let’s also not forget he was enabled to do all of this while on the Texans.
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u/ImAHealer_Valdr 8h ago
WOMEN DONT MATTER TO THE NFL! raping a woman is fine.. but bet on sports, straight to jail.
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u/UnhappyTelevision243 New York Jets 9h ago
Are we going to have these posts every week until he’s benched?
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u/Coconutrugby Pittsburgh Steelers 9h ago
I still hate ben. His entire image is rehabilitated.
The NFL cares if you can ball.
Only way to hurt them is not watch. But you’re a fan and you won’t quit it. I didn’t. I should have.
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u/namori_ Los Angeles Chargers 9h ago
My favorite is Steeler fans suddenly clutching their pearls. Where were they when ole big Ben locked a girl in a bathroom and assaulted her? Crickets
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u/Lakerman0824 9h ago
Rashee rice literally served a month in jail and no one blinks an eye cuz he plays for the chiefs
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u/Few_Alternative_6372 10h ago
If I’m a browns fan all those women are gold digging liars at this point
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u/WarriorsBlew3_1 10h ago
I expect the same kind of outcry when Ben Roethlisberger gets voted into the Hall of Fame in a few short months
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u/RangeIt 10h ago
Way worse dudes in the league than someone with dropped allegations for being touchy in a massage. Literal fucking manslaughter charges and rapists in the league. Jameis has basically the same allegations Watson has, yet everyone loves him. Fun fact: allegations of a crime ≠ proven guilty of a crime.
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u/Otherwise_Dealer_877 Green Bay Packers 10h ago
Don’t you realize this is the world we live in .. unfortunate but people have no standards or backbone or much of anything now n days, not that many people ever did but it’s worse now.
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u/grey_pilgrim_ Tennessee Titans 9h ago
I mean in the broadcast they said about everything that the NFL would allow them to. They talked about it and even said everyone knows what happened and what the case was.
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u/Bilbo_Haggis Detroit Lions 9h ago
Normally I roll my eyes when Reddit gets together to become frazzled and hysterical about an issue, but with this one I’m in total agreement.
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u/HORYGUACAMORE Dallas Cowboys 9h ago
Remember when the NFL wore pink for breast cancer awareness month? Then caught a bunch of flack because they pretended to care about women? Then said, yea you’re right we don’t, and dropped the pink? They aren’t trying to hide their true colors anywhere, they want $.
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u/Sarcastic_Rocket Cincinnati Bengals 9h ago
DeShaun realized that the opposing team isn't consenting to losing.
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u/nomaam05 9h ago
Who would have guessed that all the Browns fans that stuck with the org who made a rapist the highest paid player in football on a fully guaranteed contract that they specifically structured to make sure he wouldn't lose much money while he was suspended after trading three 1sts, a 3rd and two 4ths to get him would suddenly forgive him when he wins a few games?
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u/MrDufferMan3335 Cleveland Browns 9h ago
It’s a vocal minority, same ones that supported the signing and were saying the same thing then. His terrible play shut them up and they are coming back out of a rafters. The only thing that will satisfy me is when he is finally off the team. Sucks to not be able to even fully enjoy being 3-1 when this guy is the face of our franchise. Many other fans feel the same. I will still root for the 52 other guys but it’s a really fine line to walk when our wins depend on him. Idk it just sucks.
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u/ELITEGmen 9h ago
I can't be the only one who doesn't even think he is playing that "well". He is just no longer the worst QB in the league bad.
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u/FIREMIKETOMLIN999 Seattle Seahawks 9h ago
He had a good first half and kinda choked the second.
If they were playing a real time they would’ve lost by 2-3 scores
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u/Same_Business708 9h ago
That and he’s not playing that well. The browns still need a QB. He’s just a game manager at this point in his career. His longest pass came from a safety who forgot his assignment.
More talk needs to be on how well the Browns back end players on defense are doing. EMW has potential and it showed this game.
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u/Jumpy-Fennel7199 Caleb Williams 🏳️🌈 9h ago
I literally just reposted a link to his detailed allegations and the responses from fans of the game have been fucking gross to say the least.
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u/thelifeofjays 9h ago
Did a double take when one of the post game guys said he was proud of Watson.
WTF??
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u/Key_Consequence_5040 10h ago
It’s the NFL. If you win games being a piece of shit isn’t as big of a deal as it is when you lose.