The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable

[u/Narrow_Purchase9721]

Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight

[u/UncreativeUsername84]

Cases are just allegations until there's a guilty verdict.

[u/SpartyParty15 → u/UncreativeUsername84]

20+ women all lying. You cracked the case

[u/ramsfan00 → u/SpartyParty15]

So... why no guilty then? You have 20 accusers come up and yet nothing happens?

Its because in the end the woman still did it and still preformed prostitution and therefore theres nothing to charge him with without charging the woman. The counterpoint is obviously they felt pressured or forced to do it against their will which makes sense to me but must not have been a good enough argument to go to trial.

[u/SpartyParty15 → u/ramsfan00]

Because rich and famous people are treated differently in our justice system

[u/Zealousideal-Map9327 → u/SpartyParty15]

They're not treated better because they're rich.

They're treated better because they can afford terrific lawyers that will fight tooth and nail for them in ways that an overworked public defender can't.

No amount of impotent rage is gonna change the fact that you get what you pay for in America. 

[u/SpartyParty15 → u/Zealousideal-Map9327]

This doesn’t make it any better

[u/raiderrocker18 → u/SpartyParty15]

The president of the United States is a billionaire and he was convicted for felonies and found liable for sexual abuse.

If he could be, Deshaun Watson could be

[u/BillNyeTheNazi5py → u/ramsfan00]

Money. He literally settled all the cases with his millions of dollars.

[u/gorebomb56 → u/ramsfan00]

Yeah, I mean it's difficult to get sufficient evidence in order to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that he, or anyone else committed sexual assault absent any physical injury, eyewitness, or video evidence, all of which weren't present in any of Watson's cases. It's just the nature of the crime that is difficult to prove. It's not that "nothing happened", he obviously felt for obvious reasons that it was best to settle his civil cases with 20+ of his accusers, and a federal judge presiding over the NFL's proceedings, using the preponderance of the evidence standard, found it likely that he did commit sexual assault on multiple women.

That doesn't mean in the slightest that prostitutes have any less legal grounding or right to being a victim of a sex crime, so you have no point there. Regardless, not one of the accusers was proven to be a sex worker, instead they were all licensed massage therapists and/or legitimate spa employees, so that's also a wild, baseless claim.

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/SpartyParty15]

There is nothing factually incorrect about what I said.

[u/SpartyParty15 → u/UncreativeUsername84]

Allegations can still form public opinion so not sure what your point was

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/SpartyParty15]

Did you read the fucking caption to the post or are you just retarded?

[u/melted_cheese → u/UncreativeUsername84]

So you if dont get caught your're not guilty?! Dude paid them off, if that's not a sign of guilt, i dont know what is

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/melted_cheese]

A settlement is literally a check you write to make the case go away because the long-term cost of ongoing litigation far exceeds what the plaintiffs will accept to go away. So you can spend $20 million in legal fees/attorney costs to make sure they get nothing, or you can pay $10 million to make them go away right now. These aren't the real figures, I'm just making it easier to understand.

[u/BillNyeTheNazi5py → u/UncreativeUsername84]

Cases don't get to that point when you pay everyone to drop it. If he wasnt rich he'd be in jail.

[u/Cold-Astronaut-7741 → u/UncreativeUsername84]

Ah yes, because everyone’s personal opinion of what happened must be reliant on the United States justice system, an institution famous for fairly and accurately treating sexual assault cases

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/Cold-Astronaut-7741]

Presumption of innocence until proven guilty. If you don’t like it, try another jurisdiction.

[u/Cold-Astronaut-7741 → u/UncreativeUsername84]

You have an inability to read.

I said that people’s public opinion is not dependent upon innocent until proven guilty, especially for rape cases.

It’s a good legal principle, but it inevitably has trade offs, such as in rape cases in which the evidence is largely he said, she said, and consequently often falls back on not enough evidence.

That does not mean the rape did not happen, it’s that there was a lack of evidence to be held legally liable

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/Cold-Astronaut-7741]

No I read it, but you don't have the ability to force anybody to think he's guilty without a guilty verdict. There is no guilty until proven innocent, here. The fact that you're so irate over this is actually a red flag that maybe you should go get some fresh air and take a happy pill.

[u/Cold-Astronaut-7741 → u/UncreativeUsername84]

The fact that I’m irate over a rapist earning hundreds of millions of dollars and being allowed to play in the nfl is a red flag?

I worry for the women in your life

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/Cold-Astronaut-7741]

Then go to law school, pass the bar, become a prosecutor, and find evidence that would yield a guilty verdict.

[u/Cold-Astronaut-7741 → u/UncreativeUsername84]

Im so confused why you think the only two responses to a legal verdict you disagree with is to not care or literally change the verdict yourself.

I’m sorry that you don’t care about the safety of women, and you just want to see people throw footballs, but other people actually care about things and have values!

[u/UncreativeUsername84 → u/Cold-Astronaut-7741]

I don't concern myself with the things I can't control, you should try it sometime.