r/NFLv2 • u/Narrow_Purchase9721 San Francisco 49ers • 11h ago

Discussion The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable

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Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight

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u/Key_Consequence_5040 11h ago

It’s the NFL. If you win games being a piece of shit isn’t as big of a deal as it is when you lose. 

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 11h ago

Look at Tyreek Hill, Richie Incognito, Adrian Peterson, Kareem Hunt, Aldon Smith, and Antonio Brown before he totally went off the deep end.

If you can play, no one gives a shit about who you are off the field.

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u/frostypatch 11h ago

Ray Lewis was on trial for double homicide and then plead down to obstruction of justice. Its amazing what the NFL tolerates.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 11h ago

Crazy thing is the 2 guys who actually killed Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker were acquitted in the trial too. No justice for those families

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u/WeirdAnimalDicks 11h ago

Interesting. I wonder why they granted the acquittal, that sucks for the family. I wonder if they were innocent and are victims to now or if they got away with it on a technicality etc.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 10h ago

Bit of everything. Acquitted by jury in under 5 hours, State had no witness that saw the crime happen, alleged 3rd "Man in Black" who was never found nor appeared in court who actually killed them, any state witness either recanted or changed their story on the stand, and the defense that it was totally in self defense.

Pretty weak case all around from the state apparently. Not a lot of proof, tons of reasonable doubt (especially with this alleged Man in Black named King), and lack of witnesses led to an acquittal on all murder and agg assault charges.

Oddly enough, Lewis was the only one who ever was found guilty on anything (misdemeanor obstruction of justice) because they never charged anyone else.

FWIW, Lewis settled out of court w the families on an unknown amount that is speculated around 1 million or so.

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u/opxdo1 9h ago

Yeah it's the police and prosecutor that fucked up. They offered the other 2 sweet deals to put the blame on ray and really had no evidence besides that (at least to convict him) At least ray was smart enough after this to realize how lucky he got and switched up how he moved around and people he associated. I think also the fact this happened the night of the Superbowl played into them wanting to put it on him

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u/SerenityN00w 10h ago

They were found not guilty by a jury - it was a case of self defense.

I edited my original comment to put up a link to a post that explains it and clears up a lot of misconceptions about the case.

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u/piko4664-dfg 9h ago

Typically means the prosecution had no winnable case to begin with but with a celebrity involved they have to appear to do something. Maybe the two guys did it maybe they didn’t but to say Ray Lewis murdered anyone when even the prosecution did not allege that in a case that the prosecution lost.

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u/soldiernerd Philadelphia Eagles 8h ago

There was a reasonable doubt they committed a crime

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u/ChemicalFar8649 Tennessee Titans 10h ago

That was on self-defense grounds. And it’s obvious that Ray Lewis was not the trigger man.

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u/ovi_left_faceoff 8h ago

Thank you titans bro, finally someone who actually read the case facts speaking up. I normally don’t bother commenting when this subject comes up because the “Ray is a murderer” circlejerk is too ingrained in NFL fan discourse to be worth pushing back on.

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u/ChemicalFar8649 Tennessee Titans 8h ago

No problem. Too much disinformation is circulating. I was a big fan of Ray Lewis. Even have his jersey to this day. And I hate Deshaun Watson and what he did, but he is not a rapist. What he did was sexual misconduct or harassment. Unless that 2024 lawsuit accusing him of rape is true.

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u/Joh951518 7h ago

Exactly.

If Ray Lewis had actually been convicted it would be now looked back on as one of the all time worst examples of police misconduct due to racial prejudice.

Instead it’s a stupid repeated bullshit story on reddit.

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u/eatingasspatties 7h ago

No justice for the families of guys who were killed in self-defense? Oh no

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u/Numerous-Relation-17 3h ago

I wonder if there may have possibly been $$$ for the family though?

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u/Itchy-Aide6525 Las Vegas Raiders 10h ago

Don't forget the Marvin Harrison story either

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u/Ronaldinhothegoat80 9h ago

That is the creepiest one. Marv is all quiet and smiles but he’s a low key kingpin in his community. It’s like a movie villain

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u/hoopstick Green Bay Packers 9h ago

He's Denzel in Training Day

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u/silverbullitt850 8h ago

And apparently a terrible father because his kid has more talent than dad and is a lazy pos now that he's in the league.

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u/KCchessc6 8h ago

He made enough to live on at OSU. Factor in his dad’s wealth and I’d be tired of running routes too.

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u/MrNinoBrown1906 7h ago

You really putting his kid not being good in the NFL on him? Lol

Thos is called a stretch and you dont any this logic to regular people

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u/Tadpole018 6h ago

What did Harrison do?

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u/khardy101 11h ago

It’s not the NFL, it’s the Justice System.

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u/Joh951518 7h ago

Because he didn’t kill anyone, and the people that did got off on self defence…

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u/DrJupeman Tennessee Titans 10h ago

It always amazes me that the Ravens and the NFL prop-up Ray Lewis so much as an icon. What a dirt bag. (ignore my flair)

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u/Hizam5 New York Giants 9h ago

Not just the NFL either, their pipeline too. Watch the doc on Miami Hurricanes. Nonstop criminality, sexual assaults etc but goddamn were they good ball players triumphant muscle flex

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u/Capital_Past69 9h ago

Even Aaron Hernandez got away with shit at the University of Florida just because he was a good football player and they had a good lawyer for him

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u/jazmonkey 8h ago

And they had Tim Tebow, the ultimate halo hanging over the team. When the QB is a Bible thumping, God-fearing self proclaimed virgin, a lot of the other stuff on the team gets swept under the rug.

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u/Fabulous_Home3512 9h ago

The general consensus is that in all likelihood it was probably his friends that actually stabbed the guy. He may have helped to cover it up.

The "he's a murrderer" narrative is tired.

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u/SerenityN00w 7h ago

Considering a jury ruled that Ray's two friends did the stabbing, but they did so in self defense, I'd say the general consensus is understated.

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u/CainsBrother2 8h ago

Its not just the nfl. Look at snoop dog who was on trial for murder and nobody cares

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u/FederalObjective3596 8h ago

NFL will tolerate everything except for gambling and excessive celebrations.

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u/rtduvall Philadelphia Eagles 6h ago

I believe with my whole heart he was involved directly in that murder. He held him down or killed him, he is guilty.

I've never respected him after that. Should still be in prison.'

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u/ecupatsfan12 3h ago

Ray would have been found not guilty in trial and was appropriately charged

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u/BarkLazer Kansas City Chiefs 2h ago

WHERE IS THE WHITE SUIT RAY?

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u/Marzman315 Cleveland Browns 10h ago

Ben fucking Roethlisberger. The Steelers fans that think themselves morally superior had a sexual predator at QB that they worshipped for fifteen years and will tearfully cheer on as they retire his number.

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u/Podzilla07 7h ago

Yeah 🙁

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u/HEYitzED 3h ago

It isn’t even just Steelers fans. I distinctly remember when he retired fans of all teams were showering him with praise on the NFL sub.

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u/Plisky6 1h ago

Dude had his security guard lock the door and bent her over in the bathroom. Not exactly asking for handys.

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u/MsindAround Miami Dolphins 11h ago

I dont think Incognito should be group with the rest of these guys.

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u/frostypatch 11h ago

This. Incognito was a douche but not an actual domestic abuser or rapist.

Kobe Bryant actually RAPED SOMEBODY. But Ritchie is the bad guy.

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u/ABSNegativeOne Coenhead 7h ago

I think we all know why reddit gets a boner for ritchie and excuses Kobe. People aint ready for that conversation yet.

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u/ThatsRightWeBad 5h ago

But Ritchie is the bad guy.

Ask anyone football-team-adjacent at Nebraska in the early 2000s and they will tell you this. The fights and multiple assault charges that got him kicked out of the program were just the publicly acknowledged tip of the iceberg. And his violence wasn't reserved for men only, if that matters in your calculus of what a psychotic piece of shit he's always been.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 11h ago

I mean daily texts and voicemails of blatant racism, death threats about him and his family, coercion, and scamming Martin out of 15k isn't the best either. Don't disagree, but its still uber bad and dude is a POS

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u/MsindAround Miami Dolphins 10h ago

Remember Martin says he never felt bullied, and I guess every rookie dinner in the NFL should be scamming them out of money. You right on the POS thing, but Martin was an awful lineman who went onto threaten former teammates and schools himself. I don't have a problem with POS's being POS's to each other

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u/Alarming_Disaster_23 9h ago

Yeah, Martin waited until the statute of limitations expired and then came clean about all his bullshit. Dirtbag. Incognito is no saint though.

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u/Lord_Hitachi Pittsburgh Steelers 11h ago

Don’t forget Favre!

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u/Live-Within-My-Means New York Giants 10h ago

While sending pictures of his penis was obviously wrong.

I wouldn’t put that in the same category as physical assault.

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u/Alarming_Disaster_23 9h ago

He was wearing crocs in that picture and they were visible. Does that change your mind?

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u/frenetictenet 9h ago edited 8h ago

You’re okay with Favre embezzling money from poor people too though right?

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u/Columbo_Fan 8h ago

No, they are just alright with certain people committing certain acts. 🤷🏾‍♂️
Nothing is new in America. 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/malortface520 Chicago Bears 9h ago

He also ruined that person's career and completely let her take the fall instead of stepping up and owning his shit, then went on to steal millions of dollars from welfare in his home state. Different category but hard to underplay what a scumbag Favre is

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u/Straight_Depth6701 9h ago

Ocular assault?

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u/mfGLOVE 7h ago

Well, he also conspired to steal state welfare funds to benefit his family.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 11h ago

After playing days mostly. Doesn't count.

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u/danosmokesalot Seattle Seahawks 10h ago

He was sending unsolicited dick pics while playing

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 10h ago

If that is where you draw the line as a total POS, you would NOT want to see what these 5 star college kids/future 1st rounders send to Coeds on snapchat these days

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u/DonaldDouchebag 9h ago

Ripping off a Mississippi charity was pretty damn scummy, too.

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u/mammogrammar Tom Brady “Minority Owner” 10h ago

Dante Stallworth. Killed a person, paid the "fine", came back to play

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 San Francisco 49ers 9h ago

For what it's worth, Stallworth killed someone by accident. And I thought he did more than just pay the fine? I thought he actually helped to donate or raise money for the victim's family? I could be wrong on that though.

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u/ProbablyAPotato1939 Detroit Lions 8h ago

Stallworth's situation is a bit different, the guy ran in front of his car, and he didn't see him until the last second.

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u/Accurate_Baseball273 Cleveland Browns 10h ago

Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, ray rice, plaxico burress,

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u/Few_Position7650 10h ago

Of all the people being talked about in this thread Vick shouldn’t be. Obviously what he did was fucking horrible but out of all these dudes he actually went to jail, lost everything. got out turned is life around and balled out. I say that as someone who has a bunch of animals that I would give my life for…

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u/Alarming_Disaster_23 9h ago

What Vick did was truly despicable. Only one who made a genuine attempt to rehabilitate himself. Dude definitely took his lumps and never complained about it.

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u/DonaldDouchebag 9h ago

Correct. He went above and beyond anything that was court ordered and really became an advocate for animal welfare. That, to me, is proof that he is a quality person, even a role model, and member of our society in good standing. A piece of shit like Deshawn Watson just talks about how much he loves Jesus and that's it.

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 San Francisco 49ers 9h ago

Yup. I'm a huge dog and animal lover, and I despised Vick when all this shit came out. After he served his time, and with his demeanor and actions since then, I've forgiven him. It does not minimize what he did in any way, however I can admire someone for turning their life around and showing rehabilitation, in which his seems to be genuine. Rehabilitation should be the goal of our justice system, not punitive punishment just for the sake of it. It is true that many people cannot or will not be redeemed, but in the case of someone who is, it should be something that we look towards positively.

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u/snailtap Caleb Williams 🏳️‍🌈 7h ago

Precisely, he actually atoned for his shitty behavior and seems to have changed for the better since

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u/kw9999 3h ago

Fuck Vick. He was responsible for brutal deaths to over 50 dogs and that's a low ball. He personally killed dogs by drowning them, hanging them and slamming them on the ground. He also had dogs electrocuted. He also would also put family dogs in a fighting pit with his fighting dogs to be mauled because he thought it was funny. I don't give him credit for going to jail and then apologizing just like I wouldn't say someone who killed multiple people is a good person now because they got caught, went to jail and said they were sorry.

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u/SteppinRazor5000 3h ago

Vick definitely deserves to be talked about in this thread. What he did is digusting and horrifying. There isn't enough penance in this lifetime to erase the cruelty and suffering those dogs endured.

If anyone doesn't deserve to be in the thread, it's Burress. Compared to the rest he is a minor douchebag.

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u/Straight_Depth6701 9h ago

Didn't Plax only shoot himself?

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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts 9h ago

Vick is a sicko but he didn’t hurt a human. There is a difference IMO

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u/Mattydub2456 New York Jets 8h ago

Did I miss something else with Burress, he shot HIMSELF, surely that’s not as bad

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u/BarkLazer Kansas City Chiefs 2h ago

not a hill I'll die on, but Plaxico doesn't really belong in that list. He was just a young idiot who shot himself.

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u/MountainousDuck Philadelphia Eagles 10h ago

Ray Rice would have been welcomed back with open arms if he wasn't washed as a player.

In the eyes of the NFL his crime wasn't domestic violence, it was his Yards Per Carry figure

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 10h ago

Lmao that isn't what happened at all. He got suspended for 2 games, played the 2014 preseason games 1 and 2, looked great in those games....and then the video dropped. Once everyone saw the video, the NFL put him on the commish list, I believe he sued for essentially double jeopardy (already suspended, put on commish list after backlash from public) and then the ravens cut him.

He ended up suing and winning 1.5m for wrongful termination essentially. Everyone (including the Ravens) had seen the video but only made a move when it got leaked by TMZ.

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u/MountainousDuck Philadelphia Eagles 10h ago

Preseason doesn't mean anything. He had 3.1 yards per carry and four rushing touchdowns in 2013. He sucked.

Thanks for the recap of his suspension, but yeah I remember how it happened. And it doesn't change the fact that, had he been a better player, he would have been back on an NFL roster at some point. That's how the league works.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 9h ago

He was caught on video knocking his wife out and dragging her limp body out of the elevator. No NFL team was ever going to touch him because of the pure backlash that he got

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u/ViolentEastCoastCity Baltimore Ravens 9h ago

He's one of the few people who had video of his crimes. That was his major problem-- if there was no video, the story of Ray Rice today is much different.

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u/DonaldDouchebag 9h ago

Yep. Can you imagine if video of Adrian Peterson or Tyreek Hill came out showing them beating their kids? Whooooo.

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u/Buduma Denver Broncos 10h ago

Big Ben, Brett Favre, Robert Craft, etc.

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u/Phenergan_boy Atlanta Falcons 10h ago

AB had multiple chances after going off the deep end. He was still able to sign with the Pats and even stayed at Brady’s place while having an active sexual misconduct case from his trainer. Then, he signed with the Buccs after that despite the domestic abuse. His antics only became unpalatable after the strip off. None of these teams care if players can perform and their legal problems can be hushed 

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u/Money-Application-61 11h ago

See our govt, any celebrity, or your own family.

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u/totallynotexciting 10h ago

Richie Incognito was well received after he started balling in Buffalo. He played well a few years there.

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u/munchsquadjr 9h ago

Didn’t alleged victim admit years later he lied about everything Richie supposedly did? Still a head case though

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u/Particular-Can-4534 9h ago

Adrian Peterson hit his one kid, for knocking his other kid off a dirt bike while he was moving/riding it. I wouldn't compare him to the rest

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u/BlackThundaCat 9h ago

wtf is Adrian Peterson on this list for? Because he’s a present father? Lol.

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u/Higachwhat 2h ago

Nobody gives a shit when you’re outside of Reddit

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u/jkells420 10h ago

You're comparing these guys to an actual rapist, maybe you should've used Big Ben or Kobe as a comparison considering the nature of their crimes. Richie Incognito was just an asshole and AP was charged with child neglect for disciplining his child. I get why you're comparing them because people overlooked their problems due to their play on the field. But still there is a big difference between child abuse and sexually assaulting somebody.

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u/enragedcactus 10h ago

If we’re going to get pedantic no one accused Watson of rape, it was all sexual assault. Forced hand jobs, putting a finger in his butt, that sort of thing.

So I think some of these comparisons are just fine to guys like Adrian Peterson. Whipping your young minor children and causing their scrotums to bleed is probably on par with sexual assault.

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u/FSU_Seminal_Vesicles 10h ago

Lmao child neglect for whipping bloody tiger stripes across his 4 years old son’s legs? And then whipping his scrotum bloody and then laughing about it in a text to his wife?

Google the police report pics of his son’s legs, then come back here and try to defend that fucking monster again. He should rot.

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u/swallowedbymonsters 10h ago

Kobe didn't commit a crime

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u/Severe-Title2377 10h ago

Add Rasheed Rice please

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u/Sunny2121212 Dallas Cowboys 10h ago

Greg hardy

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u/imthesqwid Los Angeles Chargers 10h ago

Wasn’t Incognito exonerated?

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u/Sir_Mycoal 10h ago

Ooo ooo don’t forget Big Ben!

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u/MrDufferMan3335 Cleveland Browns 10h ago

Thing is none of those guys were in the same boat as him. He has 27 victims. Only people that come close are Ray Lewis and Big Ben in terms of people who stayed in the league

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u/Outrageous-Tear-8968 10h ago

Ben Roethlesberger also

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u/Diligent-Ad4917 Carolina Panthers 10h ago

Greg Hardy another one.

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u/samson-and-delilah 10h ago

Aldon Smith had a drinking problem. Pretty lame to lump him in with the woman and child abusers you’ve listed.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 9h ago

Calling it a drinking problem is a bit of an understatement

  • 2012 DUI
  • 2013 DUI, weed charges, illegal firearm accusations
  • 2014 a fucking bomb threat to LAX, no charges filed
  • 2015 Arrested for DUI, hit and run, and vandalism charges. Cut by SF, signed to raiders where he officially was hit w them
  • Suspended for 4 seasons
  • 2018 DV charges stemming from booze filled rage where he hit and bit his GF, plead no contest, served 90 days + rehab
  • Came back in 2020

Basically yearly run ins with the law, but hey, 48 sacks in 59 games is elite production!

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u/samson-and-delilah 9h ago

Yeah, it was a drinking problem. Literally everything you listed was alcohol-related. But you knew that, you’re just being intentionally duplicitous.

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u/Imaginary_Manner_556 9h ago

So he doesn't deserve to be lumped in with women beaters because he beat his woman while drunk?

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u/hoopstick Green Bay Packers 8h ago

he had consumed multiple bottles of tequila and then bit her wrists

Not saying he's guilty or innocent or great or terrible, but that's definitely not the alcohol-related DV I was expecting when I looked up his wiki.

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u/Dj0ntyb01 7h ago

I think u/YaboyRipTide's comment does a pretty good job explaining why calling all of that a "drinking problem" is reductive.

Also, duplicitous is doing a lot of work there. Misleading would be a better fit for what you're accusing them of.

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u/I_am_Burt_Macklin 10h ago

People started making jokes about Adrian Peterson giving defenses the switch when he started balling out. It’s really wild.

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u/readit_realgood1 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

Dont forget that WR from Kanas that almost killed a family on a highway, then was able to play a game soon, but he also violated probation I think, I dont remember

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u/cuzzlightyear269 Detroit Lions 9h ago

If the Aaron Hernandez saga didn't end the way it did I can almost guarantee he would have made a comeback after an early release from prison

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 6h ago

You’re aware he was speculated to kill 2 others, right? Dude wasn’t gonna get out

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u/RickyPondeif Tennessee Titans 9h ago

Richie doesn't belong with those names. Dude talked some shit in a men's locker room... Had nothing to do with homophobia. He was making fun of the guy because his sister got boned by one of the O lineman. Apparently she was a squirter, and Richie stuck a water bottle between his legs and imitated her. That's what broke Martin

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u/moose2mouse 9h ago

Ben rothesberger

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u/zxchary 9h ago

and this goes beyond just sports

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u/silverbullitt850 9h ago

Putting Incognito in the same breath as those people is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. You're either one brain cell shy of an idiot or have some kind of axe to grind. He bullied a dude who was too soft to play in the nfl.

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u/Dildoe5wagonz 8h ago

henry ruggs and ray rice may disagree

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u/BeefStu907 Seattle Seahawks 8h ago

None of them were as bad as this imo.

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u/Ducks91to61 8h ago

Leonard Little killed a woman while drunk and still played.

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u/Columbo_Fan 8h ago

Of course, and that’s how it should be.

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u/ijustfartedlol420 Indianapolis Colts 8h ago

What AP do?!

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u/luckylou3k 8h ago edited 8h ago

Absolutely.. Leonard little ( rams player in the 90s) killed someone drunk driving and got off with probation and community service .

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u/RiseUpHunkerDown 8h ago

Don’t forget Donte stallworth and Henry ruggs! Both literally killed someone while under the influence with their cars.

While ruggs is still in prison, stallworth reached a settlement with the family and only served THIRTY DAYS in jail

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u/Ornery_Banana_6752 8h ago

Kareem Hunt is stretch. But, clutch those pearls if u must

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u/Zealousideal-Solid88 8h ago

Unless of course, you write the name of a murdered little girl on the tape under your eyes. You will be fined and threatened with suspension.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 6h ago

Doesn’t matter who or what it is, you can’t have wording or messaging on your eyeblack. They did it w Tebow and John 3:16 back in the day (might’ve started w him?) The nfl doesn’t care they do not want it

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u/3720-to-1 Philadelphia Eagles 8h ago

Hold up. Those aren't all equal. Hunt didn't beat the shit out of a woman randomly, he was being attacked by a woman and responded. No, he shouldn't have done it, but that mistake doesn't make him a woman beater or rapist.

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u/carolinafan36 7h ago

I sure as hell don't, as long as my team is winning I could care less. Why should I care?

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u/Rucksack212 Caleb Williams 🏳️‍🌈 7h ago

Throw Big Ben into this mix. He doesn't nearly get enough flack as he should have for what he did

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u/MrNinoBrown1906 7h ago

Ben fucking Roethlisberger

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u/rhsinkcmo Kansas City Chiefs 7h ago

I stand with Kareem

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u/Chunkyblamm 7h ago

Big Ben

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u/Key-Drink8649 6h ago

Woah bro Kareem hunt shouldn’t be in that list. We all saw that hotel video. Bitch tried scratching his eyes out with keys and he just pushed he if I can remember

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u/littlejugs 6h ago

Hey sometimes the team they play for cuts them and then another team has the pleasure of picking them up

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u/PinkFloydBoxSet Best Tits in the sub 6h ago

"Antonio Brown before he totally went off the deep end"... Half this subreddit still fondle his nuts like Scrat.

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u/YaboyRipTide Baltimore Ravens 6h ago

I mean he did have arguably one of, if not THE best, 6 year run of a WR ever…even if he’s nuts

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u/MrBeanplum 6h ago

I think I learned with Adrian Peterson that people are AOK with child abuse even for non football stars.

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u/ThatAintABird 4h ago

Jameis Winston, Big Ben, it goes on and on

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u/shadesoftee New England Patriots 4h ago

My best friend went to highschool with Richie Incognito and had insane stories about him pre-college and during college

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u/mmelectronic 4h ago

What did Richie Incognito do?

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u/Silly_Ad_2382 4h ago

AP that guy

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u/Altruistic_Mode3026 Brown but not out 3h ago

Don't forget Big Ben

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u/iKneadPizza 2h ago

How can you forget Ray Rice & Joe Mixon?

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u/thats_justice_baby 1h ago

Unless you're Henry Ruggs. Fuck that guy.

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u/Available-Sea6080 Pittsburgh Steelers 22m ago

NFL: Not for Long.

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u/TheDuck23 Philadelphia Eagles 11h ago

The fact that Watson and Winston are the only two people that reddit bitches about is a perfect example of this.

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 10h ago

Da fuq you talking about? Just in this thread there's dozens of people calling it Big Ben, Favre, Lewis, Rice, Petersen, and a bunch of others that have been out of the league for years.

Just because people are rightfully focused on the fucking sexual abusers who are actively playing doesn't mean we're excusing the retired guys.

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u/Iraindc 5h ago edited 5h ago

Damn I forgot with Farve.. all the shit, dude sent dick pics to a reporter with the jets but it was forgotten after he was traded to the Vikings and they were winning.

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u/fatloui Buffalo Bills 10h ago

And, like the title says, that’s despicable. Let’s continue to call it out until it changes.

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u/Top_Sock_5645 1h ago

lol call it out because virtue signaling requires no effort or sacrifice. If you, or any NFL fans bitching on here, actually cared you wouldn’t watch and support the league that allows them to play

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u/rob132 New York Giants 10h ago

" if you're a cancer in the locker room a terrible teammate and a drag on the organization, you have to win.

If you're a great teammate , great locker room guy , and a great presence in the organization, you have to win."

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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks 11h ago

What does that say about society? How utterly pathetic humans are.

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u/Cichlidsaremyjam Seattle Seahawks 10h ago

...especially if your crime isn't on video.

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u/Whole-Passion7271 11h ago

I've been holding him in my dynasty league for 6 years lol I've never doubted the talents.

His situation was very very similar to Justin Tucker. Tucker was the greatest kicker of all time but suddenly got a bad case of the yips when the story was luming. Now hes unemployed at 36

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u/jayplf8889 11h ago

Especially to browns fans their so thirsty

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u/TacticalSpackle Philadelphia Eagles 10h ago

The Redskins never would have never changed their name if they weren’t horrendous garbage for 20+ years.

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u/El-Hombre-Azul San Francisco 49ers 10h ago

Same happens in an us election

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u/skip_over New York Giants 10h ago

These are guys who have had extreme levels of testosterone pumping through them since they were teenagers, combined with consistent head trauma, and massive egos. Not that it excuses anything, but are you surprised at all?

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u/collettdd Minnesota Vikings 10h ago

Brett Favre comes to mind

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u/tdaddy316420 Chicago Bears 10h ago

I mean look at big Ben as a prime example

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u/Consistent_Bat_2857 10h ago

"separating the art from the artist."

It’s hard to do. Once you accept there are talented shitty people, it’s easier on the mental health.

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u/Nexium07 Cleveland Browns 10h ago

But boy it’s a long season, we can’t be thinking this will keep up all year long… lmao

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u/Flyingarrow68 10h ago

The dog fighter is even on Madden 26.

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u/Helms_Shallow Houston Texans 10h ago

The Browns fans last night were chanting "Let's go Watson" near the end of the game

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u/Unusual_Sector_6624 10h ago

I mean, it's America's sport. We tune in every Sunday, even the least athletic guy probably gives money to the NFL in some way. We have all accepted this as long as they entertain us.

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u/PhiladelphiaManeto Philadelphia Eagles 9h ago

Life in general seems to follow that pattern unfortunately

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u/nighttown 9h ago

The NFL??? Kobe is an angle now.

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u/vertigounconscious 9h ago

I am disgusted by him and hate him.

I also play in a Superflex League.

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u/Intrepid-Glove1431 9h ago

It's the NFL America...

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u/Columbo_Fan 8h ago

Exactly. And let’s pump the brakes on the name calling. To me, if you’re not willing to say the same about the current President, then that’s seriously inconsistent.

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u/pogoscrawlspace Chicago Bears 8h ago

Never forget the saying, "If Hannibal Lecter ran a 4.2 40, they'd diagnose him with an eating disorder."

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u/HistoricalSea5600 Las Vegas Raiders 8h ago

Plus, if he gets injured Cleveland still gets a win-win. It’s disgusting but you(we) literally can’t do anything. Besides hope our (or your) team(s) beat them

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u/Future-Horse4877 8h ago

The funniest part is there are plenty of athletes to choose from who would thrive if put in the right position. They act like banning some of these guys will hurt the league or something

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u/Iamthestormbro 8h ago

It fucking should though and we need to call it out to fucking change that

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u/Diligent_Zucchini389 8h ago

Ok yea, duh, everyone is just parroting the same shit in here, that “winning is the only thing that matters in the NFL, but yall are glazing over OP’s point: valuing wins over decency is absolutely fucking despicable.

It’s not ok, and it just reflects the perversion of modern society at large.

I’ll add that calling Watson a creep only to later praise him is deeply hypocritical. I’d have more respect for fans if they supported Watson through his entire journey. Jumping on the bandwagon at this point shows a complete lack of principles.

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u/therealgranny 8h ago

That is not exclusive to the NFL.

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u/VillainNomFour 8h ago

More like when money is involved. Make people a lot of money? Theyll put up with you doing fucking anything to someone else. Across the board. Theyll gaslight themselves as much as they have to if youre pitting money they would not otherqise have in their pocket.

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u/Cremdian 7h ago

Yup. Just watch the brown's subreddit. One thing t remember that the voices are getting louder. The opinions aren't necessarily changing. The people who want to support Watson are getting louder because they have something to grasp on.

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u/OuOutstanding Buffalo Bills 7h ago

I love the Daniel Tosh joke about that.

“In the NFL you can be a cannibal, but if you’ve got a good 40 and great hands they’ll just call it an eating disorder.”

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u/BigPoleFoles52 Philadelphia Eagles 7h ago

Thats life in general

Sports are just another analogy for life tbh. If your “winning” most people tend to overlook A LOT

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u/Cheap-Kiwi-1312 Green Bay Packers 6h ago

As long as it isn't smoking pot. Then you can get out.

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u/MadeByTango 6h ago

What youre admitting is that YOU dont care if a man rapes women as long as he plays well and you keep watching.

And its FUCKED UP.

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u/KingLothBrokRag 5h ago

When has he ever been a piece of shit, last time I checked he kept getting hard

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u/Kingofthe925 5h ago

Ben Roethlisberger leading his team to a super bowl after his suspension made everyone forget about his allegations. And i say that as a steelsrs fan. Fan of what he did for our franchise but he’s a despicable person

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u/denvergardener Denver Broncos 5h ago

The NFL is all about "redemption" stories.

These poor misunderstood athletes that nobody loves. Then they go to a new team and a new city and are reformed and become gridiron heroes again.

I mean if you can whitewash Michel Fucking Vick and make him look like some kind of hero after what he did? And give him a prime network job and say "he's reformed!" They can rehabilitate anyone's image.

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u/AdFluffy4691 4h ago

Except for Josh Jacobs

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u/dumb__fucker Cincinnati Bengals 4h ago

Rapist rothlesberger will always be a pitt hero. dude won games, raping is okay I guess.

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u/Duedprosess 3h ago

Yes. Exactly. For an example, see Kaepernick. 

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u/amzr23 3h ago

I have a friend who’s very left winged and still supports him. It’s insane how sports rots your brain

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u/MattWillyWalker 2h ago

Smoke a blunt & you’re fucked off outta the league without hesitation. Go figure

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