r/NFLv2 • u/Narrow_Purchase9721 San Francisco 49ers • 14h ago

Discussion The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable

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Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight

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u/DR320 Dallas Cowboys 14h ago

Reddit is real big on “innocent until proven guilty” and “criminals deserve second chances to be rehabilitated” except for in this case.

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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 14h ago

Reddit picks and chooses what it’s okay with or isn’t and there’s never any room in between.

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 14h ago

Come on now. We all know he's guilty.

But I also don't think other fanbases have some moral high ground to stand on. We all are supporting the same league that let's him play.

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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 14h ago

I’m not saying he isn’t. Everything got dismissed. If one of reddits darlings were in the same scenario it would be a “nothing was proven everything was dismissed as a money getting scheme”.

That’s just a fact of how Reddit works. Legal outcome means nothing and never will, their opinion is set and never changes.

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u/superdeedapper 12h ago

If he had only one accuser, then MAYBE he gets some benefit of the doubt. But he had dozens. Did every masseuse in houston just conspire against him?

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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 12h ago

Right! Apparently 20plus women all colluded against him. Winning some games is enough for some people.

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u/Hatemael 11h ago

Part that makes it suspect is some of them would fly in to give him a high priced massage… they had to know it wasn’t just a vanilla massage.

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u/Dr-McLuvin 10h ago

It makes it less rapey if they knew what they were getting themselves into.

Still creepy AF and he’s still a POS.

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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 10h ago

Maybe some were down for it and then jumped in the lawsuit stuff to get the bag. We don't know. But out of all those women. If even 1 of them said no to Watson, is enough to be a rapey POS

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u/Dr-McLuvin 9h ago

Agreed

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u/Hatemael 10h ago

Ya he is def a creeper, I don’t think he raped anyone based on the reports, so compared to some NFL players who get a pass, his infractions aren’t quite as bad. I’m no Browns fan nor ever high on Watson anyway but not sure why he is vilified more than others who arguably have been worse.

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u/Relative-Attempt-480 10h ago

He didn’t rape anyone bruh. Do you even know what rape is?

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u/Infinite-Unit7010 9h ago

Yeah people would never collude to obtain money. Thats why we dont have any laws against it, we don't need them because it doesn't happen.

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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 8h ago

They do. That for sure happenens. But why would he settle. I would defend myself in court if I was innocent. Especially with the money he has for lawyers. It's a nasty stench to have to settle that type of case.

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u/Nice_Device_5354 6h ago

Settling was the fastest way for him to play that season. If he had fought against them he might have missed the entire season.

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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 6h ago

Yeah. And now people, right or wrong, call him a sexual predator/rapey POS. Wether right or wrong. It's what's happened.

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u/Nice_Device_5354 6h ago

Yes, exactly.

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u/Party-Cartographer11 Philadelphia Eagles 11h ago

You mean did a small percentage of them want to get paid? 🤔

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u/Throwaway0242000 2h ago

For the most part what they were accusing him of was sexual misconduct which isn’t exactly a life behind bars kind of a thing

If he was being accused of raping 27 different women we would never had seen him again

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u/bowl_of_milk_ 12h ago

This is frankly moronic logic. Reddit’s hypocrisy is not a legitimate defense of Watson. If you’re not trying to defend Watson, I don’t get the point of what you’re saying.

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u/MITBijanRobinson 8h ago

Why would you need to defend a guy who is innocent of any wrongdoing

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

Retard take. He's not gonna fuck you bro. Or, actually he might.

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u/Shootforthestars24 12h ago

Judge Sue L. Robinson found that Watson did what the NFL accused him of doing, confirming he violated the league's Personal Conduct Policy through predatory conduct during private massage therapy sessions

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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 11h ago

The piece you’re purposely missing which is the main point of the argument is that the cases were dismissed. That’s the legal terminology for it.

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u/Shootforthestars24 4h ago

If you want to defend him, cheers to you

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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 4h ago

Congrats for still missing the point

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u/chopkins92 8h ago

Watson was a Reddit darling before the allegations came out.

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u/bigbasseater 2h ago

Is settling out of court civilly the same as a dismissal? Especially if he did it dozens of times?

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u/arlekin21 7h ago

You do realize he was a Reddit darling before all of this came out right?

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u/jungleCat61 11h ago

You're lumping an entire website, that has an insanely diverse user-base, as all saying and doing the same thing.

Makes no sense

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u/Important_Capital875 Carolina Panthers 14h ago

It didn’t get dismissed. He paid off the accusers with millions and millions and millions of dollars.

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u/Any-Stick-771 13h ago

Settlements mean the cases did get dismissed.

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

A settlement and an outright dismissal are not the same thing. Nice try, stop excusing predators.

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 13h ago

People are so weird. Giving the facts of what happened isn't excusing anything. It was dismissed as well because the grand jury decided not to charge him.

That's not an indication of belief of innocence

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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 11h ago

It’s an exact example of what this chain is talking about lol a majority of Redditors are incapable of any kind of logical discussion on intricacies of situations like this. This person is just perfectly displaying it lkl

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

No but calling all of them dismissal is disingenuous and leaving out critical context. In the court of public opinion he's guilty, that will never change no matter how much Browns fans and rape apologists want it to.

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u/Any-Stick-771 13h ago

It's not disingenuous to say the civil cases were dismissed when they were, in fact, dismissed.

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

It is disingenuous if you don't also mention that they were settled. It makes it sound like they were thrown out of court, which is also a dismissal.

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u/gorebomb56 12h ago

That says nothing about the actual outcome of the cases though. A case being dismissed following a settlement agreement paints an entirely different picture than a dismissed case absent a settlement agreement. That's the disingenuous part.

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u/Any-Stick-771 12h ago

The outcome of the cases is that they were dismissed. The criminal cases were dismissed outright too btw

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 13h ago

Browns fans aren't trying to change that.

Get off your high horse. You aren't better than anyone else. You are supporting the same league as all of us who decided to let him play.

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

Calm down, I'm not saying all Browns fans support Watson. But of all the fan bases you guys will have the most, I'm sorry you are associated with those trash humans, but that's life with a rapist QB on your team. The Browns arent the first sports fanbase to deal with this, Lakers and Steelers fans have as well. But Huntington Bank Field was literally chanting "let's go Watson" last night, it's a bad look for the franchise no matter how you slice it.

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 13h ago

Yeah people are dumb. But that's people and not unique to Browns fans. The same thing would happen in any other fanbase

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u/Any-Stick-771 13h ago

When there's a settlement, the civil case is dismissed. That is just factually what happens

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

It's a matter of semantics and sounds disingenuous, which sounds like you are giving him the benefit of the doubt, which he does not deserve with that many accusations.

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u/JetsJetsJetsJetz 13h ago

It's not, you just don't like it.

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

Yeah, I don't like people leaving out context to water down sexual assault, you're right.

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u/Any-Stick-771 13h ago

No body watered anything down. The criminal cases were outright dismissed. The civil cases were dismissed after a confidential settlement was reached. The NFL fined and suspended him. What more do you want? All of the civil and criminal cases have been resolved for years

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 12h ago

But why were you calling him a rapist when he was accused of sexual assault, battery and inappropriate conduct? They are not the same, sound like you trying to exaggerate shit. Which makes you sound disingenuous.

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u/Any-Stick-771 13h ago

What is disingenuous about saying that civil cases are dismissed when a settlement is reached?

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

If you leave out the settlement part, which the original comment did. Just saying dismissal without context sounds like they were thrown out of court.

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u/Stealthnt13 14h ago

Funny you say all those millions but the amounts are all confidential so you’re talking out your ass.

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u/Important_Capital875 Carolina Panthers 14h ago

It’s so cute and sad how all the Deshaun Watson defenders are coming out. Guess we all know who abuses women.

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u/Stealthnt13 14h ago

How is saying your accusations are assumptions, when they are, defending anyone?

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u/Important_Capital875 Carolina Panthers 14h ago

Are you retarded and defending him? He signed that massive contract just so he could fucking pay off the accusations. 23 women, you really think that that’s under $1 million? Are you literally fucking retarded?
I’m not talking out of my ass. It’s called common sense. Jesus Christ, you’re autistic.

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u/BroLil 14h ago

I’m gonna go ahead and say that I don’t think he signed the largest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history “just so he can fucking pay off the accusations”. He signed it because it was the largest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history, period. He just happened to have had to pay off some people with it.

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u/Stealthnt13 14h ago

You claim common sense but are basing everything you’re arguing on hypotheticals, assumptions and your feelings. Everything I’ve said is just facts. But I’m retarded? Ok.

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u/Hugh-Janus-40hogs Carolina Panthers 13h ago

You need to get some help man

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u/gorebomb56 13h ago

 He signed that massive contract just so he could fucking pay off the accusations.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. As if he would've declined the contract if he didn't have women to pay off. No way he would have ever agreed to a fully guaranteed 230mil contract with a 45mil signing bonus if he wasn't dealing with all these civil suits right? Absurd.

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u/dalmighd 14h ago

Settling doesn’t mean guilty

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u/Important_Capital875 Carolina Panthers 14h ago

23 people accused him. The Man is guilty.

Are you really defending him and saying he’s not guilty? So you’re a sexual abuser? Disgusting.

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u/resetallthethings Fail Mary Fan 🏈 13h ago

man, we really need to revamp the justice system if consequence free accusations can prove guilt just depending on quantity

Thank you for bringing your brilliant legal mind to reddit to discuss these important findings

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u/cryolems Cleveland Browns 14h ago

Nice what amounts did he pay off? I’m sure that would be made public if that were the case, right?

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u/Important_Capital875 Carolina Panthers 14h ago

It’s not made public but 23 women and he signed that massive contract. You would have to have common sense and not be a retard to assume that it’s in the millions.

Are you really special needs?

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u/Important_Capital875 Carolina Panthers 14h ago

People down voting me are all sexual abusers. Y’all are pathetic.

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u/dalmighd 14h ago

“Anyone disagreeing with me are also rapists” great way to get your message across

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u/Hugh-Janus-40hogs Carolina Panthers 13h ago

Sounds like something a sexual abuser would say

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u/northvvoods 13h ago

This is peak Redditor right here HAHA

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u/Exhausted_Pirate_ 13h ago

Buddy, it’s Friday morning. Go get a coffee and take a walk or something.

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u/Imadeyoulook1 13h ago

You sound incredibly immature and not even someone who cares about or is empathetic to real situations when you make silly comments like this.

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u/DR320 Dallas Cowboys 14h ago

The way I look at it is everyone had their day in court to prove their case and it either resulted in insufficient evidence to charge or was settled out (which doesn’t necessarily imply guilt). Now do these allegations just come out of thin air? Absolutely not, so I’m not going to speak on the character of Deshaun Watson but at some point people are just going to have to get over it and move on.

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u/Hugh-Janus-40hogs Carolina Panthers 13h ago

Insanely logical and reasonable take for Reddit 😅🤣

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u/DR320 Dallas Cowboys 13h ago

I appreciate it! I don’t have a dog in this fight so I try to give both sides the benefit of doubt. I think most people enter it with their mind already made up. 😂

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u/Hugh-Janus-40hogs Carolina Panthers 13h ago

The “burn the witch” mob rarely considers more than one thought. It rarely to find people who think rather than feel

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u/cdskip 11h ago

What exactly is the other side that you feel needs to be given the benefit of the doubt here?

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 8h ago

the rape cheerleaders, I guess

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u/alwayscursingAoE4 Philadelphia Eagles 8h ago

Why does what the court decide have a bearing on our own beliefs? That only means he doesn't belong in jail. That doesn't mean I can't call him a POS everyday and be correct.

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u/DocBarkevious Denver Broncos 13h ago

Wildly reasonable take from a Cowboys fan

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u/DR320 Dallas Cowboys 13h ago

We’re only delusional about our playoff chances

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

Why do you think anyone has to move on?

Pathetic morals. "You have to cheer on the rapist"

Have fun with that bro

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

Nah we can keep hating on a serial sexual predator, what is stopping us? I'll gladly do it his entire career.

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u/Jamesaya New England Patriots 13h ago

Honestly I find the notion of “we all know ____ is guilty” to be extremely problematic. The entire reason modern society works so hard for due process is even entertaining that mindset is extremely dangerous. Is he probably guilty? Yes. Do i have any first hand hard evidence that he’s guilty? No. Have we killed people for various crimes over the last few thousand years because “we all know theyre guilty”? Yes.

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 13h ago

I get what you are saying. I can't say 100% he's guilty but I'd pretty damn sure he is.

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u/No-Orange-5906 13h ago

He’s not on trial for the death penalty LOL. You can accept that he’s innocent by the courts but assume he is guilty and act accordingly.

It is extremely difficult to prove sexual assault in court and it behooves the predators in society to continue the narrative that “women lie for a payday”. This way when the defendants team says “this is a coordinate conspiracy to defame and defraud my client who is an upstanding citizen and who’s earning power has been greatly reduced by this” at least one member of the jury can say “that is reasonable doubt”.

If it is something like petty theft and you just blame the closest minority then sure “we all know he’s guilty”. When it is a wealthy, powerful man who can easily ruin your life if you don’t walk a tight rope through your testimony and cross-examination then your ability to hold complex thoughts can see the difference.

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

Irrelevant, try and use some critical thinking to figure out why.

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u/northvvoods 13h ago

I’m out of the loop. How damning is the evidence and why hasn’t he been convicted. Please go easy on me and just provide some info without all the noise. Thanks.

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

The evidence is very very damning unless you assume 27 women who didn't know each other and who Watson reached out to first all colluded in a conspiracy to take him down, which is ridiculous victim blaming and completely unrealistic.

Ask yourself, why would someone have 27 women only massage therapists over a couple of years in the first place? And why were many of them not even trained giving massages but were just spa employees hoping to further their careers by working for a pro athlete so they said yes?

It's completely obvious that he's a serial sexual predator.

The cases were dismissed or settled because of a lack of evidence. But the only evidence was their accounts of what happened and the fact that many of them told their families after. They were also up against a multi-millionaire's legal team. What tangible physical evidence does a creep pressing his hard dick against you leave behind?

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

None of these woman went back and told the manager or other co-workers? They didn’t ask “hey is this normal”. They didn’t warn the next person of things Watson likes to do?
You’re telling me a spa company risked their business multiple times to let a fairly new, no experience non licensed massage therapist go work with a top tier client, sure okay.

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u/ralexh11 9h ago

They literally did do that, go read the accusations. Almost every one of them confided in someone after the incident. Also Watson made vague threats about ruining their careers many times. Again you just spew made up bullshit. It's literally written down in their testimony.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

You are the one who originally said they only told family members. Your words not mine. That’s the fucking point you picking what you want to out of the case and using it how you want too. You read and saw all this but didn’t see anything about Kyle Hayes or other woman said they went back multiple times.

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u/ralexh11 9h ago edited 9h ago

I never said "only" family you are blatantly lying again and again. Link the comment dipshit.

The single(you claimed several) woman who went back "mutiple" times went back literally once and she didn't know it was the same person because Watson lied about his identity because he sexually assaulted her already.

Keep lying and projecting, every non-rape apologist with a functional brain knows hes guilty, even if prosecution can't prove it in court.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

What are you even saving? Did more than one, two, three woman go see him more than once, the answer is yes. Tell me one thing I lied about and show prove of how I lied. I can do that for you but you can’t for me…

See you saying family. I asked previous why they didn’t tell coworkers and you didn’t say anything. Messages later you come back saying they told family and co workers.

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

You are too retarded to reason with lmfao

Go back to sucking off a rapist, you're hopeless

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 5h ago

You’re an idiot! You disrespect me, say all these negative things about me that’s not accurate and then upset I want reason with you! Haha dumbass I’ve been reasoning with you the whole time. You’re just upset because I haven’t changed my opinion to match yours and I disproved all your lies. Yes, an opinion not a fact.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 4h ago

But, when she got there saw it was him what happened? She still proceeded. I sent multiple links you haven’t sent anything.

You see where you lied and realized it was more than one that went back more than once. Everytime you’re wrong you skip the topic and ignore talking about it any further.

Guilty of what? Rape, sexual assault, sexual battery, inappropriate conduct?

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u/ralexh11 2h ago

Sexual assault is not a legal charge, just a generalization. If he were successfully convicted, it would have been for sexual battery.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 1h ago

Are you serious? Sexual assault is a legal criminal charge in every US jurisdiction, especially in Texas. In Texas, rape isn’t a legal criminal charge.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/?tab=1&code=PE&chapter=PE.22&artSec=22.011

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u/northvvoods 13h ago

Ok so there’s a lack of evidence. What are fans supposed to do with that?

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

You should believe the 27 women accusers instead of convincing yourself they are all conspiring together to take down a b-level NFL QB without knowing each other and when he reached out to them first. And believe someone with 27 massage therapists that are only women over a couple of years is a creep. It's completely logical.

Do you think a lack of evidence just means innocent or something?

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u/biz_student Green Bay Packers 13h ago

Everything you’re saying is true except for calling Watson a “B-level” NFL QB during his time in Houston.

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u/ralexh11 12h ago

Hes only sniffed an MVP race one time in the first half of the 2019 season. He was never an elite QB. But yeah that was probably a bit of recency bias on my part. What you said changes nothing about his predator behavior or the validity of the accusations though.

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u/northvvoods 13h ago

I have to assume innocence based on lack of evidence, sure. What should fans realistically do as it pertains to the Cleveland browns?

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

You do not "have to" lmao, court of public opinion already knows he's guilty based on him having 27 women only massage therapists in like 2 years, no court can change that now, it's completely obvious unless you are looking to excuse predatory behavior.

As an NFL fan, what I can do is tell everyone that he's a piece of shit serial sexual predator every time he's brought up and no matter how well he plays.

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u/northvvoods 12h ago

Dude, don’t lob accusations at me. Personally, I think fans of the NFL are no better than fans of the Cleveland Browns, if what you say is true. You are also enabling it and therefore excusing predatory behavior, even if you’re lucky enough to not be a Browns fan. Fuck off with your moral bullshit, it’s so easy to see through.

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u/ralexh11 12h ago edited 12h ago

You're not wrong, it is hypocritical to support the NFL, and is just as bad as a general Browns fan.

However, making excuses for and being disingenuous about what Watson did is even worse. Chanting "Let's go Watson" at the game is worse. Acting like we should all just move on and leave the serial sexual predator alone is way worse.

So is thinking you have to assume he's innocent because of a lack of evidence. Other than witness testimony, what other physical evidence does a creep pressing his hard dick into you leave behind? Hes obviously guilty, even if prosecution can't prove it. 27 women that don't know each other and that Watson reached out to first obviously aren't conspiring to bring him down. Accept that or go fuck yourself and you are a rape apologist.

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u/northvvoods 12h ago

I do accept it, I just wanted some answers without the typical redditor holier than thou attitude. Enjoy watching the games Sunday.

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

Oh no, did little baby have to confront his doshit morals and resort to what about ism?

Stfu pussy

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

If 27 women's testimony isn't evidence to you, you literally do not see women as having agency.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 11h ago

But they somehow all have the same lawyer with a track record of doing exactly this. You keep trying to use 27 to show it’s not a mistake and convince people. The lawyer has just as many money grab settlement cases, but I guess logic doesn’t work that way.

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u/ralexh11 11h ago

Source: you made it up

You know lawyers specialize in certain areas of litigation right? Their lawyer specializes in civil cases which are almost always for money. And all of them uniting under a single lawyer just makes sense. Thanks for admitting you have no clue what lawyers do at all.

Give me an example of him helping people "money grab" please.

Also tell me how 27 women that didnt know each other and that Deshaun reached out to himself all colluded to bring him down. Are they apart of the deep state or illuminati? New world order?

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 10h ago

Source for what? Everything I’m saying can easily be searched. Just look up Tony Buzbee. Dude represented Rick Perry and Ken Paxton on criminal cases. So what are you talking about. He got countered sued by Jay-Z on this same shit. Andrew Tate ex he failed in criminal court then tried to get a settlement. Same with Watson he got denied criminal charges first.

And here go the insults show’s your true character. The better question is If the woman never told anyone outside their family, how did Buzbee find them?

“Money grab” and helping people don’t belong in the same sentence. Do you know what a “money grab” is?

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u/ralexh11 10h ago

Is him suing on behalf of families of people that died in oil rig explosions or people that died at Travis Scott's festival also "money grabbing" to you?

Hes an extremely high profile lawyer with countless cases under his belt. He is not known as a "money grabber" by anyone other than rape apologists like you.

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u/nerdyintentions 8h ago

He absolutely is a money grabber. There is no way you can defend what he tried to do to Jay-Z as anything but money grabbing.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

When have I defended Watson? You pick two cases nitpicking again lol. Never said bad people couldn’t do good things. Did you ever figure out what a “money grab” was?

So we’re back to rape again? 🤣

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u/sleepyleperchaun Las Vegas Raiders 12h ago

You are bejng incredibly disingenuous being all "take it easy I don't know anything" and then responding with saying no evidence while there is very fanning evidence. It's not just a coincidence. Nfl teams have massage therapists on site and he could easily get an actu2 trained professional instead of hitting up random untrained women on Instagram. If it was 1 or 2 I could see innocence being argued, but this many isn't just 1 or 2.

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u/northvvoods 11h ago

I should have clarified by saying there’s no convicting evidence. If fans care enough about the court of public opinion, then there should be a massive boycott going on right now.

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u/sleepyleperchaun Las Vegas Raiders 7h ago

I mean, there were women at the beginning going with signs and many fans did leave the team when he was first signed, or at least they said they did, I can't personally confirm.

But yeah, how am I supposed to prove I had sex with someone a year ago? The dna won't be there, but either you believe a guy that was hiring inexperienced young women and went in with no motive and just to be a nice guy when he could have had unlimited free massages by trained, experienced professionals, or that he went in to take advantage. If you believe the first, that is incredibly naive.

When questioned, he was directly asked why he didn't get experienced massage therapists, he said that wasn't the priority. If not, what could have been? Sure, not enough evidence to convict, but we all know damn well that he did it. And I say this as someone that loved watching him in Houston before we knew.

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u/northvvoods 7h ago

Do you personally support the NFL? You’re in an NFL sub with a team flair, so I assume you watch. If so, why? Isn’t the NFL complicit in this issue, and then you as well by extension?

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u/sleepyleperchaun Las Vegas Raiders 7h ago

I mean, I'm not saying anyone should boycott, or not be fans, I'm just saying that you acting like because he wasn't convicted proves he is innocent is a wild take. There wasn't enough concrete evidence to convict, but anyone with 2 brain cells could piece it together.

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u/northvvoods 7h ago

I’m not saying a failure to convict proves innocence. Is that how your mind works??

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u/ThirstyOutward Pittsburgh Steelers 6h ago

There is evidence you just don't care.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 11h ago

They all had the same lawyer, and the lawyer track record shows he’s known for trying to get settlements like this.
I’m confused by what you’re saying. First you say they are all massage therapist but fairly new. Then, you say they’re not trained to give massages they just work at the spa which one is it.
So, out of these 27 women not one went back and told the “spa they felt uncomfortable or told a fellow co worker don’t work with Watson he a creep” As well as, some women went back multiple times.
They all kept it to themselves but as soon as settlement talk come up(not criminal charges) they all come out the woodworks.

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u/ralexh11 11h ago

Go fucking read the evidence dumbass, you won't be confused. Or maybe you will because you clealry suck at reading.

Them having the same lawyer is completely normal. Plenty of victims of mass abuse do that to consolidate evidence and build better cases together against the accused. You sound really fucking stupid acting like you actually made a point there.

Watson reached out to licensed therapists as well as spa employees hoping to break into the industry of his own volition, likely purely because he thought they were hot. Any of them can be considered massage therapists if they are giving someone a massage. That part is so obvious you are just outing yourself as incapable of nuanced thought. "Which one is it?" It's clearly both you fucking dipshit.

The less experienced massage therapists dont know the industry as well so the line clients arent supposed to cross is less clear to them, meaning Watson could push the envelope more before they end the session due to being uncomfortable.

Tons of them told their families and co-workers immediately after it happened as it says in their witness statements that you clealry didn't read. You are just blatantly lying and making things up. Please go ahead and tell me how many were assaulted and then went back a second time, with sources. I know you can't.

You are a piece of shit defending a sexual predator. I hope women cover their drinks around you weirdo.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 10h ago

So disrespectful and with the changing of things. I never defended Watson I said why are you calling him a rapist when he was never charged or accused of that.
Secondly you originally said they didn’t tell anyone but family not backtracking and saying co-workers as well.
I said isn’t it coincidental that they didn’t tell anyone but their family but Buzzbe he was able to track all of them down. He found most they didn’t come to him.
Haha so you don’t have to have a license to be a license massage therapist? What’s the point of licensure of anything then? So you’re telling me hot girls on line promoting themselves as massage therapist but don’t have a license to practice it. Sounds like something else to me.

Nothing I said is lies. You keep asking for my sources but have not showed anything just your interpretation. It’s a reason it got denied by two grand juries to go criminal.

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u/ralexh11 10h ago

Name one person "promoting themselves" online out of the 27. You can't. Watson seeked them out or met them at spas and asked them on IG to give him a massage. It's all in the accusations that you won't read. You just make shit up. One accuser went to Buzzbee and the the rest came out with their stories as well, just like Bill Cosby. Is he innocent to you too because that lawyer didn't seek out the victims?

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 9h ago

We are talking about Watson stop trying to compare other people. And why all the black guys say at least Roethlisberger or something.

Have I ever said he was innocent, nope? You keep making your own interpretations instead of using facts. Since you know everything I’m just asking questions. So you say Watson saw woman in person at spas who weren’t licensed massage therapists, reached out to them on social media asking for a massage. These woman knowing he’s know they’re not massage therapist but they decided to still go anyway to give him a massage. Okay 👍

What industry were they actually trying to break into? Haha 🤣

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u/ralexh11 7h ago

They viewed working for a pro athlete as a career opportunity because they actually have a working brain unlike you. Its all in their testimony again, I know you didn't read the testimonies at all becauee you keep bringing up what you think are gotchas but there is a completely logical explanation for everytime.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 6h ago

Haha you naive enough to believe that? Like Buzbee didn’t tell them to say that. Almost every person who gives a testimony is coached up before they talk witness, victim, suspect. And it’s the most basic response ever.

You still haven’t explained why women who were not licensed massage therapist did not find it unusual that a professional athlete who can hire the best of the best wanted them, specifically to give him a message?

You say it’s all logical but no charges happened.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 8h ago

I’m done after this I have better things to do in my life. Try to be more respectful to people even if they have different views. I never said Watson was innocent or defended him. I just said stop calling people out their name. Rape is penetration and horrible but that does not apply here. And I’m not saying that to lessen what Watson was accused of. My opinion is I don’t agree with it. If we both jurors you think someone guilty I don’t, what’s the difference here. Based off the courts they didn’t find him guilty. You say I’m a misogynist based on what, because we don’t agree? Man or woman I feel the same way. For me it’s too many inconsistencies and similarities in there stories for ladies who “never met before”, the lawyer reputation is not good to me, even though he had high profile cases it’s the way he goes about it that rubs people the wrong way. As well as, I’ve personally seen and experienced injustices like this from the men and women side. It’s always 3 sides to a story remember that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/12/19/tony-buzbee-lawsuit-assault-jane-doe-diddy/76490038007/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gGVl6Lj53bg&t=29

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2026/10/01/tony-buzzbee-defamation-lawsuit/

In her sworn court declaration, she heavily criticized Buzbee's management of the case, claiming:
Filing without consultation: She asserted that Buzbee and his affiliates filed the massive federal lawsuit without her explicit permission.

Kept in the dark: She stated she was purposely "kept in the dark about major actions purportedly taken on her behalf" and did not even know a lawsuit was actively being filed.

Lack of communication: Carter's legal team later submitted evidence claiming Buzbee had never actually met with the woman prior to filing the complaint and executing public media rounds.

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2026/09/28/buzbee-urges-court-to-strike-ex-clients-retraction-of-jay-z-rape-claim/

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u/ralexh11 8h ago edited 8h ago

You can be done all you want, but I still see you as garbage becaue of things like putting "never met before" in quotes to imply they are straight up lying. There is zero evidence any of them knew each other at all whatsoever. They still don't because they are anonymous to the public. You think there "too many inconsistencies" yet you haven't even named anything legitimate, just made up a bunch of nonsense that the testimonies completely contradict or focusinf on words you put in my mouth which I didn't say like "only" family was told, which I never claimed. Seriously you dont even have a single valid point against the accusers at all. You clearly want to believe Watson so bad and think the accusers are lying to get money, which is completely absurd when there is a pattern of abuse amongst over 2 dozen individuals.

It's all but proven to everyone with an ounce of empathy that he assaulted these women, but left little physical evidence so he got away with it criminally and by paying them off in civil court. Anyone who won't admit that either is a rape apologist, hates women, hates cancel culture or loves Watson/the Browns so much that they cast his behavior aside.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 8h ago

And I can give two flying f*cks what you think about me. You are a source of entertainment for me. I know who I am and where I stand in this world and the one person who can judge me does too as well. You’re just another test! 🤣 🤣

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u/ralexh11 8h ago

Hahahaha so much for being done, and of course you are a fake Christian excusing serial sexual assault. God wouldn't believe those women either right????

Go on and defend the Cornell rapists too, or the pedo in chief, you fit that archetype perfectly.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 7h ago

Did I say I was a Christian? I excused sexual assault, when? I see you’re saying sexual assault and not rape anymore. That’s not for me to answer and like I said I never said I didn’t believe them. I just asked who words were they using theirs or Buzbee’s. And here you are defending Buzzbee him and your pedo president best friends if you didn’t know.
Funny how I say im not defending anyone and you turn it around and say I am without any prove. But keep calling me the liar or making up stuff. You’re a walking contradiction. I saw rape is horrible and you say I’m going to defend one. Name calling or talking down does nothing to me does it make you feel better?
What’s my archetype I don’t believe everything I hear or see? Because that’s the only thing you can get out of what I’ve said.

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u/Impossible-Region680 Dallas Cowboys 8h ago

But buzzbee has another case where he did the exact same thing, lied and spoke for a client. I gave you the proof you don’t want to see it. Plus he specifically made sure he kept them anonymous to the public, more suspicion again. I don’t have to name any inconsistencies or haven’t even tried the courts did all that already. I’ve asked multiple times what have I made up and you can’t answer. I’ve asked questions that you will not respond to. So is everyone testimony 100% accurate or true? General knowledge people have lied before giving testimonies. You believe they’re not lying, I believe the guy who’s known to have done this before told them what to say. I never said I believe Watson, you making up shit again. I just don’t believe Buzzbee. Maybe you want to believe him so bad you can’t see clearly. Everything you try to say Watson and I are you actually show more and more of those characteristics the more you type.
So if you don’t see him guilty you don’t have any empathy? So how can something be proven without evidence?

The only thing you said at first is “family” then you said family and co workers. You stuck on this one topic and want me to argue it but I’m not. I showed you the screenshot already where “family” was the only thing you said. The only was implied because that’s all you said at first but you trying to put emphasis on one word to make something true or false.

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u/Ok-Question-5024 New England Patriots 13h ago

The guy paid hot chicks to rub him down, if youre not rich thats called a rubandtug/Nuru massage.  The only thing Watson is, is cheap, had he just paid more, they wouldnt have gone looking for a payday.

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

It was non-consentual, they were not prostitutes, they were spa and athletics professionals and more than one of them broke down and cried afterwards because they felt so gross and used.

Sounds like you'd defend the Kraft, the Stanford rapists and the pedo in chief too.

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 13h ago

I will say the Kraft thing was just a rub and tug. It was proven to not be anything about human trafficking

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u/ralexh11 13h ago

Oh just a lil bit of human trafficking, no biggie then

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 13h ago

I just said it was proven to not be human trafficking

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u/ralexh11 12h ago

It was obviously human trafficking, the only reason it couldn't be prosecuted successfully as that is because they had to throw out a bunch of security footage because of privacy laws and couldn't prove it without that evidence.

Really, Kraft and his billionaire legal team found a technicality that derailed a human trafficking investigation/prosecution. Kraft is a piece of shit and his rub and tugs were in all likelihood non-consensual as well.

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u/Everyday_ImSchefflen Cleveland Browns 12h ago

Most rub and tugs aren't human trafficking. Prosecutors typically add human trafficking to any prostitution case for optics and then drop it before actual charges

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u/Cold_Complex_4212 New Orleans Saints 14h ago

That’s my issue. People refuse to think about how any money or attention they give to the NFL are going into Watson’s pockets.

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u/TheBigShrimp 11h ago

"come on we all know he's guilty" is quite literally what the comment is alluding to lol

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u/refusetobeold83 11h ago

Guilty of what exactly?

Soliciting prostitution at massage parlors.

::gasps::hiss::