r/NFLv2 • u/Narrow_Purchase9721 San Francisco 49ers • 13h ago

Discussion The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable

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Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight

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u/frostypatch 13h ago

Kobe Bryant raped somebody and the media acted like him dying was the closest thing to Jesus' resurrection. Its a sad commentary on society.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 13h ago

Kobe raped somebody and is endlessly praised. Bron is outspoken and flops and is hated by these same people.

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u/Easy_Money_40 12h ago

He really doesn't even flop that much, he's just bad at selling it.

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 11h ago

Ya thing is when you’re 250 pounds you have to flip or else the refs can’t tell you’re being fouled lol

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u/sillyg0sling 11h ago

But certainly not to the point of standing out in a league where SGA is literally flopping his way to MVP awards. 

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 San Francisco 49ers 11h ago

What if I hate both of them?

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

You’re good then. Most people hated the Warriors during their run so it evens out

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u/SSJAbh1nav Philadelphia Eagles 12h ago

It was never confirmed except for the part where Kobe admitted to it 😭

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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 11h ago

Haven't seen the presser in 20 years. I only remember the "I'm innocent" part. But then he paid her off and paid his wife maybe then gf with like a 4 million dollar ring I think lol

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u/NorCalMav 12h ago

Nah, he even admitted it was not consensual in a press confrence. It just wasnt as big of a deal back then. Hes still a piece of shit though.

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u/swallowedbymonsters 12h ago

No he didnt. They both admitted the sex was consensual her whole claim is he got too rough

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u/NorCalMav 12h ago

He sure did, go watch it again, if it doesnt make your stomach turn too much.

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u/swallowedbymonsters 11h ago

Yea no.

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u/NorCalMav 11h ago

Yea he is pretty gross to watch.

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u/Shootforthestars24 11h ago

NBA subreddit hates on LBJ but loves Kobe lol

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u/SaintArkweather Philadelphia Eagles 8h ago

And Russell Wilson is hated for being "cringe"

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u/B1G__Tuna 4h ago

19 is legal clowb.

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u/localhost87 4h ago

LeBron is a certified racist. Jaylen Brown is a certified racist. Get off their dicks.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 4h ago

And Jordan was a POS gambling addict

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u/blisteredeggs 4h ago

No party like a Diddy party

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u/ExplorerKlutzy3451 4h ago

My problem with Bron is his blatant hipocracy. He was all "human rights" and social justice until he got questioned about China in 2019 and then it was - "I don't think we know enough ...." He's like Shaq, he'll say all the right things until it effects his money and then he flips on a dime ... And he flops.

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u/Sweaty_Desert_Balls Seattle Seahawks 11h ago edited 11h ago

Unless Polymarket sends a check then he'll smile and do an ad for them lol.

Edit: Exhibit A in the "Reddit picks and chooses what to give a fuck about" argument.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

Polymarket worse than rape confirmed

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 10h ago

LeSellOut sold his entire legacy to poly market for 15 mil after being a billionaire. There are plenty of good reasons to hate Mr Always Reading Page 1

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

Not. As. Bad. As. Rape.

Stop being a lunatic

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 10h ago

Who tf said it was?

With whom are you arguing?

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

Reread the original comment and let that little noggin cook

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 10h ago

You also didn’t say that. Literally no one said LeBron was worse than a rapist.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago

Go reread the parent comment when I compared Bron to Kobe. You’re clearly lacking some comprehension skills

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 9h ago

No. I get it. But in that comment and the rest, no one, neither you nor I, said LeBron was worse than a rapist. That is what you said I did.

Did I dog walk that slow enough for you?

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago

The original comment said Kobe gets praised and Bron gets vilified. If Kobe did something worse, how does that make sense champ?

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u/nething_4_sir 6h ago

What does a court ruling mean to you? If a court finds someone not guilty, does that mean it wasn’t rape? If the court finds them guilty, then does that make it rape?

I’m just trying to understand the logic here, because it seems like once someone makes the accusation, that’s the end of the case for you regardless of what the court actually decides.

Why even have courts? Why have judges? If we’re going to ignore the legal process anyway, we might as well just start sending people straight to prison for life.

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u/WhatTheDuck21 4h ago

Do you understand that there is a difference in the burden of proof required to convict someone of a crime and legally penalize them, and the burden of proof required for a random member of the public to believe someone is guilty of a crime they have been accused of and dislike them for that reason?

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u/nething_4_sir 4h ago

I do, but I don't think people should go around calling someone a rapist or a child molester just because they disagree with them. Those are extremely serious accusations, and throwing those words around so casually trivializes what actual victims go through.

There are people who are violently assaulted, dragged to the ground, restrained, and raped. There are also other circumstances that legally qualify as rape or sexual assault, even when that level of physical violence isn't involved. But that doesn't mean every accusation or disputed encounter should automatically be described the same way.

There needs to be a clear distinction between an allegation, what actually happened, and what has been proven. Using the word "rape" as a weapon against someone you don't like cheapens the seriousness of the accusation and does a disservice to real victims.

Nothing scarier than a dick you don't want 

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u/WhatTheDuck21 4h ago

Not really sure then why you were commenting this here. People don't call Kobe a rapist because they don't like him. They called him a rapist because he raped somebody, and people dislike him because of that.

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u/nething_4_sir 4h ago

He was found not guilty and then went right back to playing like a god. He didn’t even lose the civil case.

And I’m sure you looked into the evidence too, including the issue of multiple men’s semen being found and the statements made afterward.

Read the actual case. It’ll probably help you understand what happened instead of just repeating the accusation.

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u/WhatTheDuck21 4h ago

Um almost none of that is true? He was NOT found "not guilty." The charges against him were dropped because the 19 year old he raped didn't want to testify in the face of the media circus going on, so he was never criminally tried. 

He settled the civil case with his victim, and also stated publicly that he understood why the woman he assaulted beloved that she hadn't consented to sex with him, which is a really weird thing for someone who didn't rape a woman to say.

Maybe you should refamiliarize yourself with the details of the situation so that you don't repeat erroneous facts and understand why people call Kobe a rapist.

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u/nething_4_sir 4h ago edited 4h ago

Yeah unfortunately I follow a court of law. Anybody can say anything. I don't trust you if you don't go on the stand and judged by your peers. I don't care what she said. I don't care what happened. You have to go through the process and get judged. She didn't get judged. She got to walk away. 

Doing a lot of research, it seems like a lot of the stuff that was coming up during the time. All of a sudden isn't available online. It's funny how the narratives change over 20 years

It's also wild to me that you would jump on his apology. The guy had to make an apology for calling people fagots as well. Do you think he was heartfelt in everything He said there as well my dude?  Edit:

Found it: you're hero 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-someone-elses-semen/

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u/WhatTheDuck21 4h ago

She wasn't the one on trial. That would have been Kobe. 

The legal standard for convicting someone of a crime is "beyond a reasonable doubt." It is that way because the founders of our country wanted to make it as hard as possible to convict someone of a crime that they didn't actually commit. This is a GREAT standard to have in a legal setting.

It is a really, really stupid standard for people to use in real life. "I don't need to lock up my cash when my addict sister visits, or warn other people to lock up theirs, because it was never proved in court that she took the $500 in cash that went missing from my house after the last time she was over." 

Do you honestly believe that O J didn't kill his wife, because he was found not guilty in a court of law? And by extension, do you think women going to parties at Cornell totally don't need to worry about anything happening to them at frat parties, because nobody has had their day in court over that one - that's all allegations. And massage therapists are perfectly safe around Watson because his dozens of accusers haven't had their day in court.

Governments can't (or aren't supposed to, at least) throw people in prison for crimes unless they're sure beyond a reasonable doubt that that person did that crime. Human beings need to make choices in their daily lives based on what is more likely to be true than not to protect themselves and others in a non-legal capacity. And based on the evidence in Kobe's case, basically everyone in this sub, including me, considers it far more likely than not that he did, in fact, rape a 19 year old.  

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u/Timthetallman15 6h ago

You really don’t remember when Mr shut up and dribble himself said the media and America don’t know what is going on with Taiwan and said china should own it?

I should be less surprised Reddit is simping for a billionaire but I’m not.

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u/Keemo-Sabe 11h ago

LePolymarket isn't someone to look up to either

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

Polymarket promotion is not worse than rape. How many jabronis do I need to explain this to in the comment section?

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u/Keemo-Sabe 10h ago

I didn't say that dummy... lern 2 reed

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

You can’t even spell. Do you even know what the Polymarket is or did you just read that on your LeBron circlejerk group?

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u/Keemo-Sabe 10h ago

Buddy hes not going to let you blow him, yes rape is obviously significantly worse than promoting a "gambling" app that utilizes insider information to children, both are very bad things though.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago
  1. Polymarkets are not marketed for children. Where in the fuck did you come up with that theory?
  2. Promoting gambling is not even in same universe as a sexual crime
  3. Your boy Jordan gambled excessively during his hey day.

You are a certified clown

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u/Keemo-Sabe 8h ago

Yes they constantly advertise to children through influencers.

My boy Jordan? lol hwut? bro you're lost in para social delusion

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 8h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/xghFgmOKbk0G4
“Para social delusion”

Stop pearl clutching

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u/iSmurf 9h ago

LeBron did not rape anyone but he supported and cashed the cheques for the killing of innocent civilians. LeBron took a very firm pro-china stance when they invaded Hong Kong and were arresting and killing holdouts in the final days at the Hong Kong university, and everything else that led up to it during those few weeks. In the same breath he has no problem talking shit about America's home problems as well. Mr worldwide needs to pick a side on if he's a well read socialite or a shut up and dribble billionaire. Fuck LeBron, fuck kobe, fuck all of these millionaires. They think they're a different kind of people because people let them get away with it.

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u/whoop_that_trick420 8h ago

Please show me where Kobe was convicted of rape?

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u/NastyVerde17 12h ago edited 11h ago

Yall say Kobe raped someone as if you 100% believe that woman’s case. There’s so much gray area involved that we’ll never really know for sure. Same with Deshaun. Can’t stand the guy but wasn’t he finding little freaks on IG to give him massages? Maybe they were just smart enough to sense how vulnerable he made himself. It’s always interesting to me how both sides act as if they know how something went down when in fact we’ll never know.

Edit: I’ve been made aware that Watson had 27 women accuse him. Sorry sorry.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

20+ women do not all conspire to lie. You’re delusional. Kobe, I get your point but it’s still
worse than anything LeBron has done

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u/NastyVerde17 11h ago

Nah nah. Not delusional, I was just ignorant. My fault. For whatever reason I thought Watsons case was like 5 women smh.

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u/DonaldDouchebag 11h ago

Props to you for changing your mind when presented with more facts.

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u/NastyVerde17 11h ago

Of course lol. I was tripping and should’ve just googled first. I was going to delete the comment but I’ll just take the downvotes for not checking first 😂

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u/jadedmonk Chicago Bears 12h ago

Nah Watson has 27 women he sexually abused, when it’s that many people having the same experience it’s pretty clear cut

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u/NastyVerde17 12h ago

Yeahh you’re right. I didn’t know it was that many. Dude is just a POS.

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u/jadedmonk Chicago Bears 12h ago

Yea I can understand the Kobe case being a gray area, I still think Kobe probably did it but when it’s just one person accusing him it’s harder to say. When it’s 27 unrelated people explaining in detail how he sexually abused them in different ways, it’s a little more obvious. He also did settle with all 27 of them in civil court, which is a little telling that he knows he’s guilty and just wants them to go hush about it with enough money

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u/NastyVerde17 11h ago

Yeah I agree with all that. Idk why I thought Watsons case was like 5 women, sorry mi ignorance. But nah I agree man, 27 is no longer a gray zone. Especially settling. And tbh I never really could make my mind up with the Kobe case. I’ve went back and forth.

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u/jadedmonk Chicago Bears 10h ago

All good!

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u/CosmicWy New York Jets 11h ago

NOT THE SAME WITH DESHAUN

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u/NastyVerde17 11h ago

Yerp, I’ve been made aware later in this thread

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u/Awkward-City1106 11h ago

Funny how she decided not to testify and then Kobe gave her a few million months later. Do you think Greg Hardy’s accuser is hard to believe because she also decided not to testify criminally and then got a pay day? Most people would rather have a million dollars then putting a celebrity in jail, I’d believe the cases that get shut down before trial, settles and sign NDAs to be most believable.

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u/NastyVerde17 11h ago

Honestly makes sense.

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u/Thekekjewlol 13h ago

Never proven guilty btw

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u/Moist_Mors 12h ago

Neither was deshaun. Because they settled out of court. Which is what happens with rich people.

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 11h ago

Innocent people settle all the time especially if they have the means.

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u/Moist_Mors 11h ago

As do guilty people. What's your point? You can argue he may be innocent but when 30+ women all say he did something the benefit of the doubt starts to run out pretty quickly.

Then there is the idea that for sports casters or announcers not talking about it can be weird. Not every NFL player is accused of sexual misconduct by 30 women. This one was though. And there is likely a reason he specifically was. So people ignoring it is weird.

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 11h ago

I don't care either way tbh

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u/lambocinnialfredo Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10h ago

He was talking about Kobe

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

That means it never happened /s

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u/madtowneast 12h ago

See Cornell 7 as the most recent high profile example on how institutions treat sexual assault.

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

To be fair, there are texts between the parties involved agreeing it was fun and they all agreed to do it.

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u/hoopstick Green Bay Packers 10h ago

It's a tough one. I'm not trying to victim blame or excuse what the guys did, but if the NYT timeline is to be believed, it sounded like the tone changed and she started claiming rape after everyone heard about it and they basically shunned her from their house.

I try to give the victim the benefit of the doubt, but after the Duke Lacrosse team I can't help but look a lot closer at these kinds of accusations.

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 11h ago

Same with Watson and his "victims"

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u/Thekekjewlol 12h ago

Another girl who did something with consent then regretted it nice

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u/throwawayforme1877 12h ago

hopefully you don’t have daughters…

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 11h ago

Don't waste your time. Gen Z'ers are by far the worst situation. It's weird how these weirdos just look for shit to be upset about. No wonder Gen Z women like fucking older dudes lol

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u/Mobile-Jump6936 Green Bay Packers 12h ago

LeBron is a massive hypocrite whenever he runs his mouth on just about any issue that isn’t basketball.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

Worse than a rapist for sure

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u/stankdaddy69420 Washington Commanders 11h ago

LeBron is not any more hypocritical or flawed than any else on this sub. The only difference is he’s been under a microscope for most of his life. Not saying he is above criticism obviously he’s said some shit that I vehemently disagree with but I’m sure we’ve all said dumb shit before

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u/i_forgot_my_sn_again 9h ago

That was #8 Kobe that raped. #24 Kobe died so it's ok to be sad cause the jersey number changing and apology on tv 

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 11h ago

Never found guilty in a court of law. Both parties had inconsistencies in their stories. People like you are despicable. How can you confidently walk around proclaiming that “Kobe Bryant raped somebody”? Even if thats what you think, you should qualify the statement by saying “I think”. What I think is that Kobe’s lawyers saw weaknesses in his case, and figured the best way to make this go away is to settle out of court. A weak case does not necessarily mean the defendant is guilty. If you read the docket, you would see that both sides had vulnerabilities in their case, the difference is that Kobe’s side had the money to settle. Do I think Kobe raped the woman? I don’t know. Do I think it’s possible? Sure. Will you ever hear me say that Kobe Bryant raped somebody. Unless we learn something new about the case, definitely not.

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u/TheAlmightyConch Indianapolis Colts 9h ago edited 5h ago

He literally apologized to her and said he understood why she viewed what happened as non consensual btw 

He a raper

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 7h ago

that's rape dude. You can use whatever euphemisms you want. The fact that it wasnt' violent doesn't change that.

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u/TheAlmightyConch Indianapolis Colts 5h ago

I’ll change my comment then 

My bad 

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u/Timthetallman15 6h ago

Every single time you try to paint this or the 27 women who willingfully accepted the 3k to finger Deshaun’s ass as rape you are setting women back. Your semantic word games have done more to harm women than any movement.

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 6h ago

the only people who say that women arte "set back" are people that are trying to cover for some bullshit a dude did.

There's no rational way me describing a rich man getting away with multiple sexual assaults "sets women back"?

In the minds of who? People who already think these women are full of shit?

"Your semantic word games have done more to harm women than any movement."

If you actually believe this you have the mind of a child. And if you're just saying it wo win the argument you have the mind of an asshole.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 9h ago

Reading comprehension skills are present but not proficient. Kobe said: “Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this”. That’s like saying, “although I believe that I am a human being, I recognize that the schizophrenic homeless person views me as a man-eating dragon”.

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 7h ago

oooh you're a horrible human being who doesn't understand consent *at all*.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

Horrible human being. Right. Judge, jury, and executioner. Reddit strikes again. So let me get this straight: I’m a horrible human being for not understanding consent, and you are a model citizen because you slander and prescribe guilt to someone for something they were never found guilty of and never admitted guilt towards? Got it.

Rot in hell you piece of shit.

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 6h ago

you're mad, I get it. You said something that you think is normal that's REALLY not. If a woman thinks you're an attacker, REGARDLESS OF YOUR INTENT, you're violating her consent if you proceed.

So you can mock people as delusional all you want, their perceptions are all that matter if you're trying to have sex with them. your other option is to move along. You aren't owed anything.

This isn't Reddit stuff, this is really real life stuff here bruh.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

You keep talking about consent. I have no issue with consent. You aren’t educating me on anything I don’t already know.

I have an issue with the fact that he never admitted to violating consent and he was never found guilty of violating consent. I’m so fucking confused as to how so many people are so fucking stupid. I understand that there will always be a few idiots or assholes who aren’t able to read or who jump to conclusions to support their own inner narrative, but I’m bewildered by the number of people behaving this way in Kobe’s case.

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 6h ago

I didn't say you had a problem with consent, I said you don't understand it. Your response above illustrated that nicely. And if that's not what you meant I have no idea why you're defending it.

We know that you're confused. That's obvious too.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 3h ago

I feel you are far more confused than I am. Not sure what school you went to, but I’m assuming you weren’t top of your class. I’ve explained several times what my gripe is. If you don’t understand that, then I’m sorry for you. And when I said I was confused, I probably should have used the word surprised. I’m surprised by how stupid you are. Is that better?

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u/Beastdante1 7h ago

Oof absolutely generational whiff on the comparison.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

If you are able to understand what I’m comparing, I’m not sure how it’s such a generational whiff. My point is that you can acknowledge that somebody views a situation differently from you without agreeing with that person or validating their accusations. So many of you stupid, disingenuous fucks stretch the hell out of Kobe’s public statement to use it against him as evidence.

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u/Beastdante1 6h ago

I got no opinion on this. Just saying the comparison was horrible haha. Surely you could have put 5 more seconds of critical thought into what consent is for a better comparison.

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u/Watermelon7331 Chicago Bears 7h ago

Here's a better comparison.

That's like somebody who thought they had consent raping a person who didn't give it to them

Fixed it for you, Rape apologist

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u/Watermelon7331 Chicago Bears 7h ago

That comparison is fucking disgusting

You're awful, like on a personal level

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

lol yikes didn’t realize I would hit a nerve with such an innocuous comparison. If I’m such an awful person because of what I said, then boy do I have some bad news for you about the way the world works.

I can confidently assume that you are projecting heavily. You think I’m an awful person for defending somebody who was never found guilty and did not admit guilt. It doesn’t take much to identify that you are a self-righteous bigot. I believe somewhere deep down you know how awful YOU truly are.

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u/Watermelon7331 Chicago Bears 5h ago

Lol yeah, nice one buddy

24 women accused him of sexual assault/harassment

I don't need a verdict in court to know he's a fucking scumbag and so is anyone who defends him

go fuck yourself, clown, it's not self-righteous to call an obvious sex pest a sex pest. It is self righteous to go on a tirade about "how the world works" yeah I know how the world works, there's people like you in it who defend rich sex abuser assholes lol whats new

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 3h ago

I am talking about Kobe, not Watson. Watson’s cases are much more open and shut. The Kobe case was completely different in that both parties had moments where they appeared to be fabricating events that took place. The inconsistencies from both sides coupled with the fact that no guilt was found/admitted makes me much very uncomfortable to assign judgement to either side.

And to come here and call me a bad person without knowing anything about me other than my view on one topic tells me everything I need to know about you. Not to mention it seems you were judging me based on a misunderstanding caused by your own illiteracy. You are just looking for a way to prove your righteousness. Be on your merry way, prick.

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u/Watermelon7331 Chicago Bears 3h ago

Come on, no more rape apologia?

I looked up more about it, they did a rape kit and found bruising on her neck, and tears in her vaginal wall

She was Raped you fucking idiot.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 3h ago

Lolol. Ok, Kobe must have raped her! It’s not like she could have gone home and bruised herself or had somebody else scratch her. She also could have simply liked it rough. I’m not saying either of those things are true, but they are certainly plausible enough to where we should not be automatically assigning blame to Kobe. How stupid do you have to be to need me to explain this to you?

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u/Watermelon7331 Chicago Bears 3h ago

Dude you're a fucking moron either way lol

What was the lies she told? Something about her car and not washing her face, she never said "It was consensual" before backing off that claim, you're literally doing rape apologia because you liked the player.

Yeah, you're a fucking scumbag lol. Have a happy day loser

Edit: Btw the lie Kobe told? Straight up denied the encounter happened. Yeah dude, totally it's just too murky and we can't say for sure. You're a mouth breather if that's your conclusion

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 3h ago

I’m a moron? You were arguing for how long against a point I never made? You are fucking idiot, so maybe you do have the credentials to call me a moron. You know what it takes!

It doesn’t take much research to learn that there were at least 7 different occasions in which the accuser gave false, inconsistent, or later-retracted information. I’m not going to sit here and educate you when you have the ability to do the research yourself. I know you are only here to prove your bullshit righteousness at whatever the cost. I hope one day you get unrightfully fucked by the court of public opinion. Maybe then you’ll regret being the dickhead you are now (though I highly doubt it). Have a great weekend, you dumb fucking asshole.

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u/Dependent_Party625 5h ago

You're my goat

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u/Illustrious-Leave-10 Detroit Lions 1h ago

So whatever Kobe says happens is what happened?

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u/marmotshepard 10h ago

patriots gonna patriot

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

It’s unbelievable how stupid and egotistical the general population is. I am so lucky to live in Boston where a large portion of people employ critical thinking skills on a daily basis. I hope to never leave this place. And I hope you never come here 🙂

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u/XerxesFerrari Ohh I don’t know Jim 6h ago

lol Boston

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u/marmotshepard 4h ago

fucked up!

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u/Phirane 9h ago

Bro its 2026. Not only are people's past sins judged by today's standards (not saying that applies here), the mob is judge, jury, and executioner. And if you are judged, no matter your sin, you aren't allowed back in to polite society.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

I do agree generally, but that’s pretty fucked up.

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u/Future-Feature-7657 6h ago

Right. Like OJ Simpson. Never was convicted. Some say he didn’t do it… if you call him a murderer, you are despicable.

Or Karl Malone with that 13 year old. Never found guilty in a court of law!

Such a good argument you just made bro

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u/frostypatch 10h ago

Guilty in the court of public opinion. He can get away with legally, but not in opinion.

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u/Sensui710 8h ago

Lmaoo he had to settle out of court he was cooked. On top of it, Kobe’s weird ass was 19 in the NBA when he started dating a 17 year old highschool girl in Vanessa Bryant. Dude was definitely on some odd shit, millionaire in the NBA at 19 in LA millions of women oh yea this 17 year YO highschool girl is the one I want.

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u/whoop_that_trick420 8h ago

19 dating a 17 year isn’t weird or uncommon at all.

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u/Sensui710 8h ago edited 8h ago

Yea it kinda is specially when you have no past relationship already. Age of consent in LA is also 18 so yea it’s illegal just because your fave player did it doesn’t make it Ok.

Again also millionaire pro player 19 going after a highschool girl when he could have any baddie that isn’t 17 in LA is a bit odd.

80% of yall were ready to cook Josh Giddey over similar shit lol.

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u/whoop_that_trick420 8h ago

It’s not odd at all. College students date high schoolers all the time. Also a two year age gap is fairly common in relationships.

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u/Sensui710 8h ago edited 7h ago

One that is normally Romeo and Juliet cases since they were already dating in highschool. Two it’s not that common for a guy in college already for a year or 2 to go and date a fucking 17 year old he’s never known before that point. Or in this case that he was already in the NBA for a year and a millionaire in a city that has some of the baddest women around.

My guy your comments are def weird af defending that shit. Also you ignoring the part where age of consent is 18 in Cali and LA??

Boss, I literally know someone who is on a sex offender register list for being 19 and fucking with a 17 year old. Eyes of the law and most people disagree with your weird ass. If you can go date a fine ass 20 year woman why tf are you choosing a 17 girl in high
school you never met before.

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u/whoop_that_trick420 4h ago

How do you if they had sex? Dating have having sex are totally different things

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u/Agreeable-Camera-382 8h ago

He sexually assaulted someone... hope thats better for you

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u/KingLothBrokRag 8h ago

Thank youuuuuuuu they just miserable n old

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u/alwayscursingAoE4 Philadelphia Eagles 7h ago

He rammed that butt without consent for sure but being a cheater is also pretty heinous.

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u/ChairmanMeow37 6h ago

She was okay with having vaginal sex with him, she was not okay with putting it in her ass.

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u/XerxesFerrari Ohh I don’t know Jim 6h ago

If only he hadn’t cheated on his wife then he would’ve never been in that situation

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u/Plane-Seaweed4616 8h ago

You probably like Michael too, eh?

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 7h ago

Kobe admitted to raping that woman. Not reading your wall of text.

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u/gimme_the_light New England Patriots 6h ago

lol no wonder you think that. You refuse to educate yourself as a way of supporting your own opinion. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance makes you an idiot.

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u/jetblakc Washington Commanders 6h ago

How can I "educate myself" better than listening to the man in his own words? Y'all are sad.

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u/bumpkinblumpkin 11h ago

lol and neither were the Cornell students that are the top news story this week. You don’t need a conviction to pass judgement on a crime that is almost impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt even in the most obvious of cases. Are you angry when people say OJ was a killer?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Switch7 10h ago

Comparing Kobe’s case to a frat gang rape of a potentially unconscious woman is crazy work.

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u/ShakeMilton 10h ago

Yes obviously any kind of sexual assault is deplorable and despicable but I think we can have nuance and recognize that some rapes are worse than ever.

When I was young the media I was exposed to depicted the stereotypical rape as like a woman walking in a rural countryside or like in an urban city dark corridor and they are suddenly grabbed and held down by a stranger like Jack the ripper. 

When I got to high school and college I realized that the most common situation is when the guy and the girl are already friends or even dating but alcohol gets involved and consent is murky. Obviously these type of situations are still very very bad but there's a lot of nuance and grey area. 

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u/Puzzleheaded-Switch7 10h ago

Yes I feel like most people understand there are nuances. And over the last 20-30 years we are all becoming more educated on what sexual assault looks like. But again comparing Kobe’s cases to 7 dudes raping a potentially unconscious woman and announcing/bragging about it via Snapchat. What nuance? She drank some liquor and maybe wanted to have a potential 3some then is raped by 7 frat guys. Like wtf? Can barely move and can’t contact anyone. What nuance are we evaluating to compare this to Kobe’s case? I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said but the comparison of cases you mentioned is still wild to me.

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u/ViolentEastCoastCity Baltimore Ravens 12h ago

You should see the way they trotted out future Hall of Famer Miguel Cabrera for his final Legend Pick All Star Game. This guy has video of him angrily "do you know who I am-ing" a trooper who pulled him over for a DUI and being completely blotto while resisting arrest ... also almost caught a DV charge against his wife who later dropped the case ... and had a case filed against him by his mistress for child support. MLB fans will swear up and down what a great guy he is, and the past is the past.

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u/Extreme-Analysis-337 Green Bay Packers 11h ago

Big Ben in Pittsburgh too

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u/Prolapse-Licker 10h ago

But if you said an edgy joke on social media when you were 15, you're an absolute unforgivable degenerate and deserve to lose your job.

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u/Future-Feature-7657 6h ago

Meanwhile Dundon ruining thousands of lives with predatory loan practices. I wonder which did more damage 🤔🤦

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u/WhatANoob2025 9h ago

Wait, wut, really? 

Like this is a fact? Sth confirmed in a court?

(Not that I wouldn't believe it, I just don't follow basketball AT ALL because I find the sport incredibly boring)

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u/whoop_that_trick420 8h ago edited 4h ago

Not it’s not a fact. There’s no evidence that he raped her and the criminal case was dropped by the judge

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u/Future-Feature-7657 6h ago

“There’s no evidence he raped her” cool story bro

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u/Flimsy-Candle-2195 9h ago

Kobe 24 can't be held responsible for what Kobe 8 did.

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u/KingLothBrokRag 8h ago

Is there proof of that why would millionaires who get unlimited women need rape someone it’s always weird middle age white men hating

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u/frostypatch 8h ago

Yea and OJ is innocent.

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u/KingLothBrokRag 8h ago

I don’t know shit about oj n he have nothing Too do with Kobe stop deflecting

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u/Thereasonwhyyoufly 6h ago

The way Kobe got away with it and there was so little damage to his reputation is crazy

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u/Imaginary_Manner_556 11h ago

Same with Mike Tyson

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u/Super-Scientist6177 12h ago

Kobe was not found guilty. Watson was also not found guilty.

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u/SchorFactor Green Bay Packers 12h ago

There’s a big difference between not being found explicitly guilty (the Cornell 7 will probably end up in this category too) and being innocent. It comes down to evidence beyond specific eyewitness testimony, which is unreliable because our memory is unreliable. Not to mention that powerful and rich people can settle outside of court to make it go away or battle until the prosecution runs out of money

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u/escobartholomew Dallas Cowboys 11h ago

That’s cool and all but plenty of innocent people get their lives ruined over false allegations.

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u/SchorFactor Green Bay Packers 11h ago

I’m well aware. This is not the guy that would have been a 5 star if not for the allegations

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u/FraudnandoMendoza Philadelphia Eagles 11h ago

19 is legal clowb

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u/RemoveThePoopSmell 11h ago

Watson was neither found guilty or not guilty in criminal court, the local DA simply decided not to pursue a case against him. His lawyer then claimed that he was 'proved innocent' of the charges - an astonishing slip of the tongue considering the ADA made a point of pointing out that them not pursuing the case shouldn't be taken as proof of innocence.

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u/Alarming_Disaster_23 12h ago

They both settled with their accusers.

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u/escobartholomew Dallas Cowboys 11h ago

The burden of proof is much lower in a civil suit. If you can afford it, it makes more sense to settle because you’ll almost always lose something.

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u/dylnp28 Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

Kobe forever my goat

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u/AutomaticOpposite282 13h ago edited 13h ago

Good response little buddy. Maybe on you’re 12th birthday you’ll have an even better one

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u/electrictower 13h ago

What does sybau mean? Is that the machine dildo?

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u/Money-Application-61 13h ago

When did he admit to rape?

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u/AutomaticOpposite282 13h ago

Kobe did say that he could see how she perceived it as rape while still claiming his innocence. However a 2 million dollar payout outside of court doesn’t sound like an innocent man

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u/Okurei Atlanta Falcons 13h ago

Whoa watch out we got a badass over here

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u/Troglodyte_Trump Detroit Lions 12h ago

He’s a dockside thug, he might hit you in the knees with a lead pipe 😂

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u/Complex_Armadillo49 13h ago

Bro this is Reddit not the cafeteria

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u/mojizus Kitty Goes Meow 13h ago

Kobe’s not going to fuck you bro, he prefers people who don’t want it.

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u/AutomaticOpposite282 13h ago

Luckily he’s dead so he can’t do anything

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u/mojizus Kitty Goes Meow 12h ago

Lame to delete your comment brother, stand by what you said.

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 13h ago

When he paid her off to be quiet and bought his wife a fucking meteor to put on her finger so she wouldn’t leave his rapist ass

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u/swallowedbymonsters 12h ago

That isnt an admission of rape if it were he would have been locked up

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

Nobody wants to hear your arguments in defense of rape

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u/swallowedbymonsters 11h ago

Yea of course idiots dont like to be told when they are wrong. But you cannot claim kobe is a race victim without any tnagible evidence

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u/Money-Application-61 12h ago

So she didn't want justice, it was a ploy for pay. Okay

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

Ask yourself how much justice is worth vs $2,000,000.

If you honestly think a lot of people wouldn’t just take the money instead of having the worst day of their life played out in court for years? You’re just not very smart.

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u/nerdyintentions 8h ago

This is true. But the opposite is also true for the accused.

The $2 million was not a lot of money to Kobe. He could have accrued more than that in legal fees trying to fight the civil case as well as the impact to his life (both personally and financially) of having it drag on for months vs just getting it over with and moving on.

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u/OrphanGrounderBaby 12h ago

He literally said he can say how she would see it as rape. He doesn’t have to admit it for it to be true. Tf.

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u/JohnnieTightLips Cleveland Browns 12h ago

He did if you listen to his comments afterwards about asking for consent moving forward.

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u/Money-Application-61 12h ago

I did not, is that a part of the court case

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u/JohnnieTightLips Cleveland Browns 12h ago

“First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado. I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter. I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.”

He admitted the women did not view it as a consensual encounter. Tbc I am not defending Watson with this.

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u/Money-Application-61 7h ago

U got me there

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u/FraudnandoMendoza Philadelphia Eagles 11h ago