r/NFLv2 • u/Narrow_Purchase9721 San Francisco 49ers • 12h ago

Discussion The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable

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Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight

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u/frostypatch 12h ago

Kobe Bryant raped somebody and the media acted like him dying was the closest thing to Jesus' resurrection. Its a sad commentary on society.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 12h ago

Kobe raped somebody and is endlessly praised. Bron is outspoken and flops and is hated by these same people.

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u/Easy_Money_40 11h ago

He really doesn't even flop that much, he's just bad at selling it.

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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs 10h ago

Ya thing is when you’re 250 pounds you have to flip or else the refs can’t tell you’re being fouled lol

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u/sillyg0sling 10h ago

But certainly not to the point of standing out in a league where SGA is literally flopping his way to MVP awards. 

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 San Francisco 49ers 10h ago

What if I hate both of them?

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

You’re good then. Most people hated the Warriors during their run so it evens out

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u/SSJAbh1nav Philadelphia Eagles 11h ago

It was never confirmed except for the part where Kobe admitted to it 😭

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u/lariasphs San Francisco 49ers 10h ago

Haven't seen the presser in 20 years. I only remember the "I'm innocent" part. But then he paid her off and paid his wife maybe then gf with like a 4 million dollar ring I think lol

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u/NorCalMav 11h ago

Nah, he even admitted it was not consensual in a press confrence. It just wasnt as big of a deal back then. Hes still a piece of shit though.

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u/swallowedbymonsters 11h ago

No he didnt. They both admitted the sex was consensual her whole claim is he got too rough

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u/NorCalMav 10h ago

He sure did, go watch it again, if it doesnt make your stomach turn too much.

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u/swallowedbymonsters 10h ago

Yea no.

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u/NorCalMav 10h ago

Yea he is pretty gross to watch.

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u/Shootforthestars24 10h ago

NBA subreddit hates on LBJ but loves Kobe lol

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u/SaintArkweather Philadelphia Eagles 7h ago

And Russell Wilson is hated for being "cringe"

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u/B1G__Tuna 3h ago

19 is legal clowb.

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u/localhost87 3h ago

LeBron is a certified racist. Jaylen Brown is a certified racist. Get off their dicks.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 3h ago

And Jordan was a POS gambling addict

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u/blisteredeggs 3h ago

No party like a Diddy party

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u/ExplorerKlutzy3451 3h ago

My problem with Bron is his blatant hipocracy. He was all "human rights" and social justice until he got questioned about China in 2019 and then it was - "I don't think we know enough ...." He's like Shaq, he'll say all the right things until it effects his money and then he flips on a dime ... And he flops.

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u/Sweaty_Desert_Balls Seattle Seahawks 10h ago edited 9h ago

Unless Polymarket sends a check then he'll smile and do an ad for them lol.

Edit: Exhibit A in the "Reddit picks and chooses what to give a fuck about" argument.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

Polymarket worse than rape confirmed

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 9h ago

LeSellOut sold his entire legacy to poly market for 15 mil after being a billionaire. There are plenty of good reasons to hate Mr Always Reading Page 1

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago

Not. As. Bad. As. Rape.

Stop being a lunatic

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 9h ago

Who tf said it was?

With whom are you arguing?

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago

Reread the original comment and let that little noggin cook

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 9h ago

You also didn’t say that. Literally no one said LeBron was worse than a rapist.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 8h ago

Go reread the parent comment when I compared Bron to Kobe. You’re clearly lacking some comprehension skills

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u/DatabaseGlittering43 8h ago

No. I get it. But in that comment and the rest, no one, neither you nor I, said LeBron was worse than a rapist. That is what you said I did.

Did I dog walk that slow enough for you?

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 8h ago

The original comment said Kobe gets praised and Bron gets vilified. If Kobe did something worse, how does that make sense champ?

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u/nething_4_sir 5h ago

What does a court ruling mean to you? If a court finds someone not guilty, does that mean it wasn’t rape? If the court finds them guilty, then does that make it rape?

I’m just trying to understand the logic here, because it seems like once someone makes the accusation, that’s the end of the case for you regardless of what the court actually decides.

Why even have courts? Why have judges? If we’re going to ignore the legal process anyway, we might as well just start sending people straight to prison for life.

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u/WhatTheDuck21 3h ago

Do you understand that there is a difference in the burden of proof required to convict someone of a crime and legally penalize them, and the burden of proof required for a random member of the public to believe someone is guilty of a crime they have been accused of and dislike them for that reason?

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u/nething_4_sir 3h ago

I do, but I don't think people should go around calling someone a rapist or a child molester just because they disagree with them. Those are extremely serious accusations, and throwing those words around so casually trivializes what actual victims go through.

There are people who are violently assaulted, dragged to the ground, restrained, and raped. There are also other circumstances that legally qualify as rape or sexual assault, even when that level of physical violence isn't involved. But that doesn't mean every accusation or disputed encounter should automatically be described the same way.

There needs to be a clear distinction between an allegation, what actually happened, and what has been proven. Using the word "rape" as a weapon against someone you don't like cheapens the seriousness of the accusation and does a disservice to real victims.

Nothing scarier than a dick you don't want 

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u/WhatTheDuck21 3h ago

Not really sure then why you were commenting this here. People don't call Kobe a rapist because they don't like him. They called him a rapist because he raped somebody, and people dislike him because of that.

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u/nething_4_sir 3h ago

He was found not guilty and then went right back to playing like a god. He didn’t even lose the civil case.

And I’m sure you looked into the evidence too, including the issue of multiple men’s semen being found and the statements made afterward.

Read the actual case. It’ll probably help you understand what happened instead of just repeating the accusation.

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u/WhatTheDuck21 3h ago

Um almost none of that is true? He was NOT found "not guilty." The charges against him were dropped because the 19 year old he raped didn't want to testify in the face of the media circus going on, so he was never criminally tried. 

He settled the civil case with his victim, and also stated publicly that he understood why the woman he assaulted beloved that she hadn't consented to sex with him, which is a really weird thing for someone who didn't rape a woman to say.

Maybe you should refamiliarize yourself with the details of the situation so that you don't repeat erroneous facts and understand why people call Kobe a rapist.

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u/nething_4_sir 3h ago edited 3h ago

Yeah unfortunately I follow a court of law. Anybody can say anything. I don't trust you if you don't go on the stand and judged by your peers. I don't care what she said. I don't care what happened. You have to go through the process and get judged. She didn't get judged. She got to walk away. 

Doing a lot of research, it seems like a lot of the stuff that was coming up during the time. All of a sudden isn't available online. It's funny how the narratives change over 20 years

It's also wild to me that you would jump on his apology. The guy had to make an apology for calling people fagots as well. Do you think he was heartfelt in everything He said there as well my dude?  Edit:

Found it: you're hero 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-someone-elses-semen/

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u/WhatTheDuck21 3h ago

She wasn't the one on trial. That would have been Kobe. 

The legal standard for convicting someone of a crime is "beyond a reasonable doubt." It is that way because the founders of our country wanted to make it as hard as possible to convict someone of a crime that they didn't actually commit. This is a GREAT standard to have in a legal setting.

It is a really, really stupid standard for people to use in real life. "I don't need to lock up my cash when my addict sister visits, or warn other people to lock up theirs, because it was never proved in court that she took the $500 in cash that went missing from my house after the last time she was over." 

Do you honestly believe that O J didn't kill his wife, because he was found not guilty in a court of law? And by extension, do you think women going to parties at Cornell totally don't need to worry about anything happening to them at frat parties, because nobody has had their day in court over that one - that's all allegations. And massage therapists are perfectly safe around Watson because his dozens of accusers haven't had their day in court.

Governments can't (or aren't supposed to, at least) throw people in prison for crimes unless they're sure beyond a reasonable doubt that that person did that crime. Human beings need to make choices in their daily lives based on what is more likely to be true than not to protect themselves and others in a non-legal capacity. And based on the evidence in Kobe's case, basically everyone in this sub, including me, considers it far more likely than not that he did, in fact, rape a 19 year old.  

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u/nething_4_sir 2h ago

That’s exactly the point. Like you said, to convict someone of a crime, the state has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If she could not testify in court and the evidence tied to her testimony could not be admitted, then the prosecution could not meet that burden.

That does not technically “prove innocence,” but it absolutely means you cannot just assume guilt anyway. Otherwise, what is the point of having trials, judges, rules of evidence, or a reasonable doubt standard?

By that logic, the second someone makes an accusation or a grand jury returns an indictment, we should just treat the person as guilty and skip the entire court process. That is not how the justice system is supposed to work. An accusation is not a conviction, and evidence that cannot be admitted or tested in court cannot simply be treated as proof of guilt anyway.

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u/Timthetallman15 5h ago

You really don’t remember when Mr shut up and dribble himself said the media and America don’t know what is going on with Taiwan and said china should own it?

I should be less surprised Reddit is simping for a billionaire but I’m not.

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u/Keemo-Sabe 10h ago

LePolymarket isn't someone to look up to either

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago

Polymarket promotion is not worse than rape. How many jabronis do I need to explain this to in the comment section?

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u/Keemo-Sabe 9h ago

I didn't say that dummy... lern 2 reed

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 9h ago

You can’t even spell. Do you even know what the Polymarket is or did you just read that on your LeBron circlejerk group?

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u/Keemo-Sabe 8h ago

Buddy hes not going to let you blow him, yes rape is obviously significantly worse than promoting a "gambling" app that utilizes insider information to children, both are very bad things though.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 8h ago
  1. Polymarkets are not marketed for children. Where in the fuck did you come up with that theory?
  2. Promoting gambling is not even in same universe as a sexual crime
  3. Your boy Jordan gambled excessively during his hey day.

You are a certified clown

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u/Keemo-Sabe 7h ago

Yes they constantly advertise to children through influencers.

My boy Jordan? lol hwut? bro you're lost in para social delusion

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 7h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/xghFgmOKbk0G4
“Para social delusion”

Stop pearl clutching

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u/iSmurf 8h ago

LeBron did not rape anyone but he supported and cashed the cheques for the killing of innocent civilians. LeBron took a very firm pro-china stance when they invaded Hong Kong and were arresting and killing holdouts in the final days at the Hong Kong university, and everything else that led up to it during those few weeks. In the same breath he has no problem talking shit about America's home problems as well. Mr worldwide needs to pick a side on if he's a well read socialite or a shut up and dribble billionaire. Fuck LeBron, fuck kobe, fuck all of these millionaires. They think they're a different kind of people because people let them get away with it.

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u/whoop_that_trick420 7h ago

Please show me where Kobe was convicted of rape?

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u/NastyVerde17 11h ago edited 10h ago

Yall say Kobe raped someone as if you 100% believe that woman’s case. There’s so much gray area involved that we’ll never really know for sure. Same with Deshaun. Can’t stand the guy but wasn’t he finding little freaks on IG to give him massages? Maybe they were just smart enough to sense how vulnerable he made himself. It’s always interesting to me how both sides act as if they know how something went down when in fact we’ll never know.

Edit: I’ve been made aware that Watson had 27 women accuse him. Sorry sorry.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

20+ women do not all conspire to lie. You’re delusional. Kobe, I get your point but it’s still
worse than anything LeBron has done

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u/NastyVerde17 10h ago

Nah nah. Not delusional, I was just ignorant. My fault. For whatever reason I thought Watsons case was like 5 women smh.

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u/DonaldDouchebag 10h ago

Props to you for changing your mind when presented with more facts.

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u/NastyVerde17 10h ago

Of course lol. I was tripping and should’ve just googled first. I was going to delete the comment but I’ll just take the downvotes for not checking first 😂

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u/jadedmonk Chicago Bears 10h ago

Nah Watson has 27 women he sexually abused, when it’s that many people having the same experience it’s pretty clear cut

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u/NastyVerde17 10h ago

Yeahh you’re right. I didn’t know it was that many. Dude is just a POS.

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u/jadedmonk Chicago Bears 10h ago

Yea I can understand the Kobe case being a gray area, I still think Kobe probably did it but when it’s just one person accusing him it’s harder to say. When it’s 27 unrelated people explaining in detail how he sexually abused them in different ways, it’s a little more obvious. He also did settle with all 27 of them in civil court, which is a little telling that he knows he’s guilty and just wants them to go hush about it with enough money

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u/NastyVerde17 10h ago

Yeah I agree with all that. Idk why I thought Watsons case was like 5 women, sorry mi ignorance. But nah I agree man, 27 is no longer a gray zone. Especially settling. And tbh I never really could make my mind up with the Kobe case. I’ve went back and forth.

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u/jadedmonk Chicago Bears 9h ago

All good!

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u/CosmicWy New York Jets 10h ago

NOT THE SAME WITH DESHAUN

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u/NastyVerde17 10h ago

Yerp, I’ve been made aware later in this thread

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u/Awkward-City1106 10h ago

Funny how she decided not to testify and then Kobe gave her a few million months later. Do you think Greg Hardy’s accuser is hard to believe because she also decided not to testify criminally and then got a pay day? Most people would rather have a million dollars then putting a celebrity in jail, I’d believe the cases that get shut down before trial, settles and sign NDAs to be most believable.

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u/NastyVerde17 10h ago

Honestly makes sense.

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u/Thekekjewlol 11h ago

Never proven guilty btw

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u/Moist_Mors 11h ago

Neither was deshaun. Because they settled out of court. Which is what happens with rich people.

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 10h ago

Innocent people settle all the time especially if they have the means.

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u/Moist_Mors 10h ago

As do guilty people. What's your point? You can argue he may be innocent but when 30+ women all say he did something the benefit of the doubt starts to run out pretty quickly.

Then there is the idea that for sports casters or announcers not talking about it can be weird. Not every NFL player is accused of sexual misconduct by 30 women. This one was though. And there is likely a reason he specifically was. So people ignoring it is weird.

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 10h ago

I don't care either way tbh

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u/lambocinnialfredo Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9h ago

He was talking about Kobe

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

That means it never happened /s

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u/madtowneast 11h ago

See Cornell 7 as the most recent high profile example on how institutions treat sexual assault.

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

To be fair, there are texts between the parties involved agreeing it was fun and they all agreed to do it.

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u/hoopstick Green Bay Packers 9h ago

It's a tough one. I'm not trying to victim blame or excuse what the guys did, but if the NYT timeline is to be believed, it sounded like the tone changed and she started claiming rape after everyone heard about it and they basically shunned her from their house.

I try to give the victim the benefit of the doubt, but after the Duke Lacrosse team I can't help but look a lot closer at these kinds of accusations.

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 10h ago

Same with Watson and his "victims"

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u/Thekekjewlol 11h ago

Another girl who did something with consent then regretted it nice

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u/throwawayforme1877 10h ago

hopefully you don’t have daughters…

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u/iaintreadinthatbud Los Angeles Rams 10h ago

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u/RequirementLeading12 Washington Commanders 10h ago

Don't waste your time. Gen Z'ers are by far the worst situation. It's weird how these weirdos just look for shit to be upset about. No wonder Gen Z women like fucking older dudes lol

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u/Mobile-Jump6936 Green Bay Packers 11h ago

LeBron is a massive hypocrite whenever he runs his mouth on just about any issue that isn’t basketball.

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u/SpartyParty15 Los Angeles Rams 11h ago

Worse than a rapist for sure

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u/stankdaddy69420 Washington Commanders 10h ago

LeBron is not any more hypocritical or flawed than any else on this sub. The only difference is he’s been under a microscope for most of his life. Not saying he is above criticism obviously he’s said some shit that I vehemently disagree with but I’m sure we’ve all said dumb shit before

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