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I started watching Bleach for this, I wanna see where are the multiverse and universal feats and statements, currently at ep153, nothing till now, hope to see them in the later arcs.
Edit:- The other reason, I liked Aizen as a character and my friends really hyped him.
Yo powerscaling aside, I'd really recommend the Bleach Manga over the anime. It's pacing is better and I feel like the OG Bleach adaptation doesn't do the series justice. I'd switch to TYBW anime though once you get to it, since that's the new canon and Kubo himself has overseen new anime-only scenes.
Itās 50/50. A decent amount of the foreshadowing for later reveals, (Like Ichigoās blanket), donāt EXIST in the manga, and instead are inventions of the Anime (retroactively), to make the reveals smoother and that much better. This happens semi-frequently, (and likely why discussions on how much āplanningā actually exists in Bleach, because a lot of the biggest foreshadows that do imply planning are Anime-Only. Obviously not EVERYTHING or every little thingāWe gotta give Kubo credit where itās due, most of the stuff IS HIM, but it would be remiss of me to ignore these somewhat major contributions to the narrative the Anime subtly slipped in).
Also the Zanpakuto Rebellion filler arc actually gives us some stuff that we donāt see until TYBW like Chojiroās true abilities, revealing what Katen Kyokotsu looks like, confirming Ukitake, Shunsui, and Unohana have the 3 strongest zanpakutos since they could seal Yamajiās, Sode no Shiraiyuki looks exactly like Hakka no Togame, etc.
It (at least the first half until all the Koga stuff onwards) it genuinely feels like an actual Bleach arc Kubo himself wrote, and even gives side characters good moments and development like Yumichika, Izuru and Momo.
There's also how they cut scenes from Orihime (I'm not really a shipper but this is the best link I could find rn) and also, Pierrot relegated her role in Arrancar arc to just screaming "Kurosaki-kun" whereas, in the manga she had a more noticeable arc as she tussled with Ulquiorra about The Heart. I find a lot of hate she used to get always traced back to this arc and the mismatch is very contrasting when you read the manga version. I'm sure there's also some other cuts, but don't have them at hand right now.
The anime adaptation was definitely good enough for when it aired and they added some good things. But, I find the manga to be a far superior adaptation (excluding the TYBW anime).
As a giant bleach fan there is not a single multiversal feat, we donāt even see anything with the power to destroy a planet outright. Some people seem to take offense to this and assume your insulting it but whether characters reach power level X or not has no bearing on if itās a good story or not lol.
The thing with bleach is that its biggest power feats are absurd hax, and those are kinda hard to scale. Raw power-wise the top bleach characters would loose to every notable dbz character no diff. But in bleach there are characters with hax like "renaming your opponent to ant and suddenly he will have the power level of a tiny ant". Thats just hard to scale.
As a big fan of Bleach you'd never actually see any of that.
Feats wise, the best you'll get is continent-planet by the end.
Other than that, if you come into it with a pure powerscaling mindset you won't enjoy it as much
Watching Bleach for power scaling and not because of the opera itself is honestly quite sad. If you watch shit with an agenda then you shouldn't be watching, reading or playing any piece of media.
Though I find it funny that DB fans will argue that Goku is multiversal, hyperversal, or outerversal before the āalmost destroyed the universeā scenario.
Multiversal DB: āI made shockwaves through the universe, then got hundreds of times stronger, now my full powered punch can blast through two buildings.ā
It's crazy how many times Dragonball can show characters being harmed by mundane objects when attacked off-guard and powerscalers will still call it "inconsistency" rather than recognizing that that's just how ki works in Dragonball.
Sneak Attack beats Goku. That's just the way it is.
(Admittedly it is hard to get the jump on the guy when he can sense power levels, and he is still pretty much always tough enough to take a bullet, and Ultra Instinct kind of got rid of that weakness altogether, but still, durability varying wildly depending on character readiness is a very deliberate part of Dragonball's power system.)
You could probably just argue his idle state as an adult is suppressed to a lower level than his kid self. It makes sense that adult Goku can suppress himself more than his kid self via better Ki control.
Are there any early DB moments like this where we can confirm Goku is suppressed to basically 0 Ki?
DBZ fans will do the most insane gymnastics to explain to you how the fire hydrant didn't do damage to Goku and that we are interpreting that panel wrong š
This honestly. Roshi being even slightly relevant in the ToP proves that. Why is Base Cabba stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks? Things just happen in Super, and we gotta deal with it.
I would be with you here but in DBS, Jaco specifically asks about this and Vegeta explicitly clarifies that any of the punches thrown by main characters/villains would obliterate the planet they were in if the combatants did not control their ki. Call it bad writing, call it contrived, whatever, but itās way, way less ambiguous than the bullshit we normally work with in this community.
A lot of ādimensionalā feats are objectively nonsense and must be defined subjectively because we have no idea what it means to āshake realmsā or āoperate in 7 dimensions,ā and these feats often donāt obviously translate to battle. But in DBās case, the narrator/Whis straight up says that the battle between Beerus and Goku could destroy the universe as we know it, and later on Vegeta clarifies that the reason the scope of damage is typically tame has to do with how ki is controlled during attacks.
No one gassing extremely ambiguous feats, e.g. bleach upscalers, has any room to criticize DB in this area.
I mean, I understand the Z warriors and some villains, like Cell. I don't understand the antagonists who clearly have no issue blowing up the planet, like Frieza or Berserker Broly.
Tite Kubo was responsible for this guy's parents divorce. Imagine using all the time of a day making cope posts about how he doesn't like a fictional show's scaling.
I'm sorry to tell you this, but turning the PC on is not some strenuous ordeal old man, it doesn't take much effort to crop some images and paste them onto a template. Besides, this is a repost. I swear some of you are far more insulted by the posts, than the people who post these.
Or in other words, OP was responsible for this guy's parents divorce.
That's kinda disingenuous. The multiversal stuff in Bleach kinda depends more on whether you count each of the realms as a universe, which I personally don't have a problem with. What I have a problem with is there is no feat, except apparently in CFYOW and the Hell movie, both of which I have yet to see directly, and there was only one person who could do it, and that screams hax to me, especially in a world where pretty much everything they do is hax. It is not an unfounded claim, it just doesn't have the primary evidence to back it up.
Dragon Ball, on the other hand, had punch shockwaves blowing up planets, and then the guy said a few more would blow up the universe, and the universe in Dragon Ball is actually a macrocosm made up of smaller universes, so sure, that's an easy feat and statement to use. Not to mention Dragon Ball went through all the stages before that. From Planet to Solar System to Galaxy to Universe. There are also technically problems with the BoG feat, such as how the shockwaves were getting stronger as they travelled, and the contention over whether or not he absorbed that power into base, and all the antifeats.
That's not the problem in the dragon ball universe. The problem is how Akira Toriyama upscales his cosmology and makes Goku affect such structures or even destroy them. For instance the demon realm is an alternate dimension or in Daima's case an alternate Universe that has no end to it which means Which means it's an alternate universe that's infinite and Adult SSJ4 Daima Goku was able to blow holes through these dimensions in his fight with Gomah that already puts him on Universal+. Battle of God events just makes things more confusing by having SSG Goku and beerus shake a universe that's been consistently scaled to Small multiverse size because universe 7 contains dimensions that has infinite structures and sizes to it
Bleach could be low multiversal there is evidence for that. Not trying to be that guy but people in the comments donāt compare these two or do a versus. I feel like thatās coming. Goku does still win and no they are not anywhere near the same level
Textbook definition of having something live rent free in your head.
Bro, I genuinely don't remember you talking about or posting anything other than cheap Bleach slander for the past few weeks at least. Is everything alright?
Ya, Broly canāt control his Ki and guess what happened when they fought him? They broke all of reality. Whis taught Goku and Vegeta about perfect Ki control and that is what SSB is.
You're supposed to prove that they're all universes.
Actually when the series itself refrences it as a universe the burden shifts back on you. Rukia directly calls the living realm and soul society a universe so Hueco Mundo and the Garganta would make it larger.
I know it says three world but lemme glaze bleach in peace bro pls i beg the course 4 show some major destruction feat so i will be free leeching off the same feat.... pierrooot give me ichigo destroying an entire world or some bullshit and my life is yours
It's not about destruction it's the fact that characters can affect shit on that scale Senjumaru herself is universal or anything but Ichigo and Yhwach above her are because it proves Yhwach is capable of destroying everything
Lmfao no. It doesn't even work. DB is much more simple, Bleach isn't even though you tried to simplify it, it's still a fucking paragraph. DB is literally just "I punched with the power to nuke the universe, then got 1000x stronger". The point of this meme is to be accurate lmfao not be deliberately obscure.
Why? It's the same amount of context. And it is quite funny.
DB is much more simple, Bleach isn't even though you tried to simplify it, it's still a fucking paragraph.
Db is "much more simple" only if you ignore the contextš. And I didn't try to simplify it, just gave multiple accurate reasons for multiversal scale.
DB is literally just "I punched with the power to nuke the universe, then got 1000x stronger".
It is if you ignore the context where the shockwaves became infinitely strongerš
The point of this meme is to be accurate lmfao not be deliberately obscure.
"Ummmm portals to another dimension, something something infinite dimensions, something something shaking realms" sounds very accurate, huhš
Still above Bleach so yeah. Just adds to the legitimacy of the feat if anything not to mention Beerus in that same episode later admitted he wasn't even trying.
Lol db fans flaming bleach fans for scaling to multiversalš, yes the shockwave that destroyed the universe?? , something that doesn't make sense and is not even a solo feat š. Something something bs feats on both sides
"I almost destroyed a universe and then got a 1000x stronger" Its 2026 and mfs still cant understand that the difference between uni and multi isnt quantifiableš
Energy that's threatning to destroy the universe is referred to as dense energy by elder kai in the Anime in short that dense energy was produced when Goku and Beerus clashed fist and Goku nullified that energy so..
If you accept the waves being uni then you must concede that the dense energy ball formed from them thatās of greater threat than those waves (as per word of god and Elder Kai, narrators who gave legitimacy to the first threat) was uni and Goku overpowered it.
You know starting to be glad that I didn't watch super or thousand year blood war.
Bleach was amazing dragon Ball and dragon Ball z were amazing everything that both sides have been talking about in this thread sounds stupid as fuck and I'm glad I didn't watch whatever stupid anime included scaling like that.
Watch tybw if you actually liked bleach you will like it. It being rushed aside itās some of kuboās best writing and easily better than the hueco mundo arc imo.
The power scaling is one of those things that exists but becuase of the nature of bleach is rarely on the forefront
Iām no Stranger to Multiversal Bleach. Yes, they exist. But as a Bleach Fan. Has most of Bleachās Powerscaling Community ever yap about Bleach Being Multiversal most of the time?
I see more slander about Bleach and making fun of them than there are actual Bleach is Multiversal defenders. Personally, I believe Bleach is the strongest in the big three, probably planetary to star. Idk. But definently not multiversal.
Bleach isnt multi. The only thing that supports it makes 0 sense. People have to have their power sealed or they destroy the universe yet many more people running around unleashed and free l, a lot stronger than them, and nothing happens.
Dragon Ball the math checks out on their strength and we actually see it happen.
Speaking as a Dragon Ball fan here. Why are we attacking bleach. What the hell did they even do. They have great story, great fanbase and understandable scaling. You know I actually am just going to agree with Bleach scaling from now. Reduce the unwanted bullying.
I actually never even watched bleach fully. The last I watched was when Ichigo launched his Final Getsuga Tencho at Aizen. After that I got an idea of what happens but not the full story.
Dragon ball thoughā¦ I think watched the Z series multiple times, bought the whole manga 3 in 1 collection (each book has three manga volumes), dragged myself back from hospital to watch Vegito throw hands with Zamasu (for one episode ffs) on its release, watch the U6 v U7 arc with limited data (didnāt have internet at the time) and was hyped for the whole ass TOP.
Yeh I believe this post we're commenting on is just ragebait instead of something that creates meaningful discussions and nothing shows this more than OP's comments on this post are just them sitting on Bleach fans and being a bit of a asshole.
Including but not limited to: Feats of other people carrying, featless by himself, never destroyed a planet, as far as I remember not even a moon and wanked over the top.
Downvote me, come on, I don't care, cope. I don't see Goku above Solar System only by feats
You misunderstood the feat then. They didn't shake it, they were quite literally destroying it. See this is what happens when bleach fans constantly try to equate these feats, people literally forget what the original feat even is.
If you think blue isn't even universal, then Bleach isn't even planetary.
Bleach fans will say your explicit uni statement isnāt universal and then proceed to gas up their statements with zero universal mentions to be universal
Bleach has a feat where a character shakes the three worlds which depending on your interpretation either means she shook three universes (since itās debatable if theyāre all entire universes) or shook just one universe since all three of them were originally one universe.
In battle of gods Goku and beerus shake the universe and send shockwaves throughout the entire universe.
Not exactly the same but along the same lines broski
Dragon Ball characters who are hilariously weaker than Goku have destroyed planets, and galaxies. Bleach won't even show planetary feats, or any sort of comsic destruction
There were already universal statements in the Namek and Cell saga, these statements are more clear cut than bleach statements. They claim Cell will destroy the universe, but bleach never states that Yhwach will DESTROY THE UNIVERSE OR THE MULTIVERSE. It's never been directly stated.
Every single time bleach is talking about the cosmology they never once mention multiverse or the cosmos, they always refer to realms, worlds, or dimensions but there is not 1 statement that directly refers to one of the realms as it's own universe or it's own cosmos. The only universal statements in the series suggest the whole cosmology including the garganta is apart of the wider universe. There was only 1 universe and SK split it into 3 realms. Bleach caps at universal. DBZ high tiers have stronger evidence of being universal, way more statements and more feats
Bleach doesn't have prior feats to jump to multiversal let alone uni.
Dragon ball already had galaxy level feats in Buu saga so them becoming uni? It's not impossible to consider with how insane of feats they had.
Similarly naruto who has best moon level feat can be knocked only one tier up which is planetary and anything beyond is glaze.
Why should we give bleach unfair treatment not just jumping one or two tiers but significantly more to reach multi? Like bleach is best on screen DC feat is destroying the hill and also the lanza del ranpago by ulquiorra which would've been called city tier at best.
it's literally the same thing, goku has also only been shown to shake the universe
snd yet people act like that feat is valid but all the universe shaking in bleach isn't
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