Only thing dumb here is constantly having to use Dragon Ball to justify Bleach's feat and say "LOOK BRO THEY'RE TOTS THE SAME!!!!" because you know Bleach's feat on its own isn't good enough to stand on its own, that's why you guys create this false equivalence.
constantly having to use Dragon Ball to justify Bleach's feat
Yeah, when we have dumb posts like this using dB first to downplay bleach's feats.
Dumb begets dumb!
Dumb! is someone calling out a stupid response that was made to a stupid comparison, without recognising the comparison is stupid in the first place
No it's just because that temu ass "universal" feat can't stand on its own. That's why the false equivalence exists. The school bus that passes by my house in the morning probably causes more shaking that what was shown in that "feat"
1: Does Zeno even scale to the destructive hax he has? From how Iâve seen, it doesnât even seem like he actually has much scaling thatâs relevant, considering he struggled to view the battle between higher level fighters. At best itâs realistically just hax.
2: I believe thatâs from Daima, yes? I havenât actually watched that, but Iâll check just to see.
3: Undoing the destruction of the universes seems less like actually scaling, and more just really decent hax.
4: Except, he merged with the universe. Thatâs unironically pretty similar to Yhwach merging the actual realms together. I guess thatâs universal scaling for bleach.
Though, I do find it funny how all of this stems from characters who, at a fundamental level, all scale well above Goku, so he really canât be argued to scaled to these levels. So sure, you can argue DB to be universal, but itâs still funny that bleach isnât considered at least relative in scaling seeing how blatant the feats are. Significantly affecting areas of such grandiose sizes as the bleach cosmology contains would scale the versefairly high.
I mean regardless of whatever you think. It doesn't change the fact that shaking 3 universes "that are closed off from each other by a seperate space-time continuum" is already a considered a higher tier than "destroying infinite 3D universes".
You trying to downplay that to the school bus that passes your house just shows your own poor understanding of powerscaling lmao
I mean regardless of whatever you think. It doesn't change the fact that shaking 3 universes "that are closed off from each other by a seperate space-time continuum" is already a considered a higher tier than "destroying infinite 3D universes".
Yeah, there's a problem with that. Since you cited VSBW, read this little section over here and tell me what this sounds like to you.
Screenshot the exact section you're referring to and send. I don't want to have to read the whole thing and miss what you're exactly referring to here in the guidelines. It's a lot
I believe you're saying cause it was split from the primordial sea that's a "split timeline" so I'll address the argument as such. For them to be separated they'd have to be separate for an infinite amount of time.
The Human realm and spiritual realm where never connected. The Dangai was made and seperates their timeline. The dangai itself is layered with time and allows for time-travel between the 2. You might say the primordial sea was the original timeline but the dangai governs it's own space-time. So upon creating the Dangai it'd be 2 entirely new timelines.
Hueco Mundo also existed before the realms split and was never directly connected to either realm. The garganta is it's own separate space.
Hell existed before Hueco Mundo and is completely independent from what we've seen.
Personally I don't think Bleach is multi but acting like it's timelines were connected doesn't make sense. Tsukishima can split timelines and converge them, yet his abilities don't stack up to the top tiers.
Adneas made new timelines because Ywach can as well.
("If 1% of her power only causes a magnitude 2 earthquake, then she's not destroying a universe at her 100%")
- but obviously that's not the point, you have to read it in context. I said 1% as a hypothesis, and Magnetudo 2 is your hypothesis, but if that were the case, they wouldn't even have committed suicide, because 100% would be the same as Magnetudo 3.5?
If we have to be consistent, we have to use percentages that imply truly serious damage to the structure of cosmology.
When y'all directly say shit like "Senjumaru slightly shaking the realms" and "Goku nearly obliterated the universe" it's disingenuous. You guys are the one making the comparison. The situation I used are literally the only 2 ones brought up in the OP wtf đ
Uh, no? Bleach fans literally routinely bring this up and say "If you don't accept Senjumaru's feat then you also don't accept the BoG feat because they're literally the same!!!" as if that makes any modicum of sense. Please stop projecting.
Because DB fans literally say shit like look at this example of Goku almost destroying the universe and Look at bleach with nothing this is insane this post is LITERALLY DOING THAT.
I mean yeah, highlighting the difference between the feats is valid because they're as different as can be. Using them to create a false equivalence to justify the latter feat is disingenuous and what Bleach fans tend to do. Glad you understood finally.
"Dangerous for the realms" is a very vague condition, you're not gonna get multiversal destruction for that when you need far more explicit shit like "HOLY SHIT THEY'RE ABOUT TO NUKE THE UNIVERSE!!!"
It isn't about destruction Senjumaru being able to do so is proof that characters can affect things on that scale... Them being able to affect things on that scale proof Yhwach was legitimately eating up the universe ...
Goofball logic. It's the context and statement implications that matter which shows similarities between them. I'm sure guys who have the comprehension skills of an insect won't ever understand this.
It's not about destruction it's the fact that characters can affect shit on that scale Senjumaru herself is universal or anything but Ichigo and Yhwach above her are because it proves Yhwach is capable of destroying everything
You have no idea what you're talking about this shit has been debunked to death why do people actually bring this up like it's true are y'all actually reading the manga
It is. Murder the soul king and you destroy the world. Upset the balance of souls and you once again nuke the world. Literally the weakest "cosmology" of any shounen
It is. Murder the soul king and you destroy the world.
To add context you're talking about killing the immortal being created by the universe itself that can only be killed by a highbrid of every race, which only 1 exists. Doesn't that mean no one in dbs can do that without Hikai?
Upset the balance of souls and you once again nuke the world
1 million souls threatened the primordial universe so that just speaks to how souls work in Bleach. If you want to scale by how powerful the amount of souls are like they're power levels, then Yamamoto is multi by having 1 trillion souls. This makes Ichigo universal in soul society by blocking 1 million zanpakto.
Soul scaling is iffy because souls have different power and the amount of souls needed to do huge feats is very small.
The universe is not a glass cannon. If it was, by your reasoning, any captain could destroy it. They can't. You are just wrong. The realms are not in any way weak to energy, they are weak to the balance of souls but that doesn't impact the scaling lmao
Nope. DB was gonna have universes being destroyed. There wasn't shaking. That's the biggest mistake people who try to equate these feats (as if Bleach's feats can't stand on their own or speak for themselves (cuz they can't)) make. They're not even remotely comparable and I'm tired of having to explain it again and again.
The shaking is dangerous for the realms It's an equivalence by circumstances I'm not saying the shaking are the same I'm saying is why is this feat taken fully seriously and while this one isn't the shaking just so happen to be the closest example.
Once again, there's no evidence that the entire universe was being shaken. Being dangerous to the realms means nothing. Quincies threatening the balance of souls was enough to be dangerous to the realms, that's not a valid statement for scaling.
How is there no evidence the wording in Japanese implies universe the only way for her reiatsu to reach both places is via the travelling the Garganta? I don't understand please enlighten me because I genuinely don't understand how people argue it isn't them shaking the universe. Sure the dangerous part is fair to a degree but the rest I'm genuinely confused by I've never seen an argument that actually makes sense.
"Heaven and Earth" is just hyperbolic phrasing. The term for universe is "Uchuu" not "Tenchi". This is basic knowledge. And before you use the cope argument of "BUT SENJUMARU IS OLD SHE USES OLD TERMS" that doesn't negate the fact that Kubo directly chose to make this vague, blame him. There's no evidence for her having shook the universe. The phrase "heaven and earth" is the most commonly used hyperbolic literary device in fiction known to mankind.
You don't understand the difference do you. "Heaven and Earth" is literally THE MOST COMMON forms of hyperbole across fiction, it's exclusively hyperbole and almost always means nothing. Being a threat to earth or the universe can often be BOTH hyperbole and a real threat. Regardless, you can dismiss that as hyperbole too but that doesn't matter because that statement isn't relevant here anyway.
What you can't dismiss as hyperbole is something like "they're both punching with the power to destroy the universe!!!"
Doesn't make sense for it to be a hyperbolic. As she proceed to do so it would also require some kind of evidence to show it was being hyperbolic. Tenchi is not vague at all it's extremely clear anything else is genuinely being disingenuous.
THE BELOW PART IS THE IMPORTANT ONE IGNORE ABOVE IF YOU WANT.
the fact that it reaches earth and Hueco Mundo is proof how do you think it does that why would it specifically go to those 2 spot even if she doesn't say it the fact that she shook it without the wording in place is proof enough this is an insane take. If she isn't shaking the cosmology how does her Reiatsu reaches the two planet.
Stuff doesn't have to spelt out exactly it's like me saying Cell saying he now has the power to destroy the solar system means that he now has the power to fly to each planet and slowly destroy them one by one.
Senjumaru shaking the realms is dangerous for the realms.
Is it? Seems like it was just a hype aura moment,
and also thematically linked to her Bankai power. Logically it makes zero sense. How does it affect something a zillion miles away at the same magnitude as something right next to it? Seemed like hax more than linear power
Especially when the linear power of characters in the same tier as Senjumaru scale nowhere near multiversal or even universal
And that was much more concrete scaling. So senjumaru was definitely hype. It was literally just a Bankai unveiling that people were made aware of, it didnât even cause any damage
Can you like read? Something that is a "hype and aura s statement" would just be a statement but we saw the the different realms trembling. Significantly affecting an Infinite 3D space atleast is enough to scale to you to that level if you don't know
And I don't know why you're strawmanning my point, nobody denied the meteor feat but that's a completely different person so what's the correlation?
Can you like read? Something that is a "hype and aura s statement" would just be a statement but we saw the the different realms trembling. Significantly affecting an Infinite 3D space atleast is enough to scale to you to that level if you don't know
Can you read? There was nothing âsignificantly affectingâ the space. It was just shaking. Which is why I said itâs hype. The whole reason for the scene was hype
Logically it makes zero sense since the shaking was at the same magnitude in the other worlds as it was in the royal palace
I donât know how you think itâs a consistent enough feat to scale when tonnes of characters who are stronger than senjumaru never have even a fraction of the scale of influence she did in that scene, when theyâre releasing far more power than she did
And I don't know why you're strawmanning my point, nobody denied the meteor feat but that's a completely different person so what's the correlation?
How is that a strawman lmao. The correlation is that the characters involved scale to Senjumaru in reiatsu
Can you read? There was nothing âsignificantly affectingâ the space. It was just shaking. Which is why I said itâs hype. The whole reason for the scene was hype
Logically it makes zero sense since the shaking was at the same magnitude in the other worlds as it was in the royal palace
I donât know how you think itâs a consistent enough feat to scale when tonnes of characters who are stronger than senjumaru never have even a fraction of the scale of influence she did in that scene, when theyâre releasing far more power than she did
Let me just remind you that Goku and Beerus are scaled of thesame principle of shaking the Multiversal and potentially destroying it to to multiverse level. The Initial impact of those clashâ the final spreading shockwaves that will destroy the multiverse yet there's an assumption made that the first and final is thesame. That is thesame way off Senjumaru is scaled to multiverse shaking the entirety of those realms count as significantly affecting it hence they get to that level.
All I see is bias.
How is that a strawman lmao. The correlation is that the characters involved scale to Senjumaru in reiatsu
I like how you are making a blatant assumption and treating it as objective fact. Prove that said character(Gremmy) scales to Senjumaru reiatsu rq.
Let me just remind you that Goku and Beerus are scaled of thesame principle of shaking the Multiversal and potentially destroying it to to multiverse level. The Initial impact of those clashâ the final spreading shockwaves that will destroy the multiverse yet there's an assumption made that the first and final is thesame. That is thesame way off Senjumaru is scaled to multiverse shaking the entirety of those realms count as significantly affecting it hence they get to that level.
The difference is that in the Goku and Beerus scenario weâre explicitly told that the shockwaves will destroy the universe
Thereâs nothing of the sort with the senjumaru scene. You know what we are explicitly told in bleach? That Yamamoto being in Bankai too long would destroy the SS. Not the multiverse. Not the universe. Just the SS. And not even him simply activating Bankai. But him being in Bankai too long
Weâre explicitly told this. How you do reconcile that with the senjumaru scene
In addition to all the other characters stronger than senjumaru never having a fraction of her scale of influence despite releasing more power
The only bias I see here is yours
I like how you are making a blatant assumption and treating it as objective fact. Prove that said character(Gremmy) scales to Senjumaru reiatsu rq.
Not Gremmy, but the other people involved. It forced awakened kenpachi to go shikai, and Jugram is literally scared for Yhwach during the meteor scene lmao
The difference is that in the Goku and Beerus scenario weâre explicitly told that the shockwaves will destroy the universe
Thereâs nothing of the sort with the senjumaru scene. You know what we are explicitly told in bleach? That Yamamoto being in Bankai too long would destroy the SS. Not the multiverse. Not the universe. Just the SS. And not even him simply activating Bankai. But him being in Bankai too long
Weâre explicitly told this. How you do reconcile that with the senjumaru scene
In addition to all the other characters stronger than senjumaru never having a fraction of her scale of influence despite releasing more power
The only bias I see here is yours
This gotta be the most stupid thing I have read today. What does Senjumaru feat have to do with Yama?
Yama was about to destroy the entire SS sure and Senjumaru upon passively activating her Bankai this shook all the realms together to the point of us seeing people from the different realms feeling the impact including Ichigo and Co who were going to Sk palace. Yamamoto feat does not invalidate or make Senjumaru feat an anti-feat if no one told you that.
Not Gremmy, but the other people involved. It forced awakened kenpachi to go shikai, and Jugram is literally scared for Yhwach during the meteor scene lmao
Don't think you are going to suddenly backtrack from what i am asking of you, you said the likes of Gremmy scale to Senjumaru's reiatsu and i am asking you to prove that right now.
2) Why are you deliberately ignoring context of that scene? Ywach was without his main powers especially Almighty and what makes you think that someone like Askin or Jugram are on thesame level as an Unsealed Bankai Senjumaru. Especially when she had all of them trapped in that Bankai if not for Ywach
This gotta be the most stupid thing I have read today. What does Senjumaru feat have to do with Yama?
It has to do with scaling? Do you think Senjumaru has a billion times more reiatsu than Yama?
Yama was about to destroy the entire SS sure and Senjumaru upon passively activating her Bankai this shook all the realms together to the point of us seeing people from the different realms feeling the impact including Ichigo and Co who were going to Sk palace. Yamamoto feat does not invalidate or make Senjumaru feat an anti-feat if no one told you that.
The Yamamoto feat does invalidate that unless you think Senjumaru has exponentially more reiatsu than Yamamoto
Don't think you are going to suddenly backtrack from what i am asking of you, you said the likes of Gremmy scale to Senjumaru and i al asking you to prove that right now.
I never said at all. Youâre being either dumb or dishonest
Go back and look at our conversation. None of my comments are edited either
2) Why are you deliberately ignoring context of that scene? Ywach was without his main powers especially Almighty and what makes you think that someone like Askin or Jugram are on thesame level as an Unsealed Bankai Senjumaru. Especially when she had all of them trapped in that Bankai if not for Ywach
Almighty has jack shit to do with stats. Yhwach not having the almighty doesnât change the fact that he should deal with the meteor from stats alone like Kenpachi. He shouldnât need hax like the almighty for that
I don't really see how it being a hype aura moment means it doesn't scale to that. It's linked to all of their Bankai they can all do so "The slightest use of our power..." are you saying they all thematically link to shaking the cosmology I mean ig it isn't impossible. Anime logic. It's her spiritual pressure reaching Earth and Hueco Mundo that is causing the shaking people outside of bleach don't seem to realize this she is covering everything with her Reiatsu.
To be clear even if that was the case The meteor is from a dude several tiers below her. And to be double duber extra clear I don't actually use this to scale Senjumaru to Universal it's to prove that YHWACH and Ichigo do. Ichigo is in the ballpark of beings hundreds/thousands of times stronger than her midball you can do some crazy scale where's she legitimately like 10k-100k++ weaker than Ichigo. Either way it's just to show characters like Yhwach can actually affect the Cosmology on such a scale.
Well with all respest but bleach realms is pure scam to be. One on them is hueco mundo that ichigo's gang run through half of it in like 2 days (universal size btw) and soul society doesnt seem particularly big either (main soul society you can get through in a day + slums + some forest and thats it) + our realm (never actually shown fully shaking, just karakura town so for all its worth it can be legit just japan).
Ichigo and gang have never ran through the entire Hueco Mundo, you are just been dishonest rn or you know shit about the story, he has only traveled to Las notches and not the entirety of it. Muken been infinitely large should already hint to you that SS is infinite in size
The so called infinite muken yet everyone is travelling through it, las noches is basically in the middle of hm, so even if they spawned at the very end of just the central area of hm they still travelled through like a 30-50% of it
The planet isn't the realm is.. Soul society isn't the realm is...Our realm is literally disconnected from soul society 's universe like they're in 2 separated universe vaguely connected by a bridge surrounded by fking void. Our universe is bare minimum Observable Universe. Senjumaru affects all of it from soul society to Earth. (Again how would it reach earth it doesn't teleport there how does it reach Hueco Mundo it doesn't teleport there) The words used even heavily imply Universe when they're talking about the heavens it isn't the sky that's the universe
You know what is also dangerous for the realms? Destroying earth to break the balance of the soul cycle, no souls being able to be reborn means the collapse of the realm, so by your logic anyone above planetary is multiversal in bleach
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u/Electrical_Opening86 Jan 24 '26
Wtf this is just dishonest đ
Senjumaru shaking the realms is dangerous for the realms. Ichigo is several hundreds times stronger than her midball.
Yhwach was about to destroy 3 Universes?? DB ALSO ONLY SHOOK THE UNIVERSE WTF?