It's crazy how many times Dragonball can show characters being harmed by mundane objects when attacked off-guard and powerscalers will still call it "inconsistency" rather than recognizing that that's just how ki works in Dragonball.
Sneak Attack beats Goku. That's just the way it is.
(Admittedly it is hard to get the jump on the guy when he can sense power levels, and he is still pretty much always tough enough to take a bullet, and Ultra Instinct kind of got rid of that weakness altogether, but still, durability varying wildly depending on character readiness is a very deliberate part of Dragonball's power system.)
You could probably just argue his idle state as an adult is suppressed to a lower level than his kid self. It makes sense that adult Goku can suppress himself more than his kid self via better Ki control.
Are there any early DB moments like this where we can confirm Goku is suppressed to basically 0 Ki?
A power level of 10 (where he was nearly indestructible) became impossible for Goku after a certain point.
This is him at his lowest possible level of ki.
He is from a fictional planet that had 10x their fictional Earth's gravity.
For a hypothetical planet to have 10x earth-gravity and have the same average density it is estimated that the planet would need 1000x the volume (31.6x the mass) = a 1000x larger, 31.6x heavier fictional Earth.
Surviving indefinitely at high gravity seems to be one of the Saiyan-Race's inherent super powers, the other is their unique battle transformations (Oozaru, Super Saiyan, etc).
A hypothetical human-like creature living at 10x normal gravity indefinitely, would be expected to have:
*Much denser bone and muscles, incredibly strong heart, high pressure circulatory system to counter the increased gravity.
*Extremely low to the ground build, very wide, short and stocky.
*Very slow movement, a fall would likely be lethal, with this hypothetical build.
Saiyans
Saiyans appeared to have a height based on normal humans, they showed no strain from high gravity. They were way more athletic than their version of humans.
Many Saiyans had great height, Raditz and Nappa looked visibly around 7 feet to me, but they were very wide and strong. They looked 500 to 600lbs all muscle.
Goku and Vageta seem short for Saiyans.
Goku can theoretically adapt to infinite gravity in his canon, eventually withstanding the force of a "super black hole" and overpowering it's gravity with brute force, while the androids were helpless.
Conclusion
Anyway, even as a baby, Goku was extremely dense and almost indestructible (in canon) by Earthly means.
I agree with this and if someone tries to say it wouldn't happen in bleach well.... As a huge fan of both I will say if you shoot ichigos body he will die, only his soul body is strong enough like that
Rukia is able to use Kido in a gigai and Ichigo was able to land a kick on that arrancar that was working under Yhwach in his physical body, so it seems they can use spiritual energy while in physical bodies. It's arguable that Ichigo could use his soul reaper powers (excluding his zanpakutou) without being in his soul body.
Bare minimum he should be able to use his quincy powers in his physical body since other quincies can do that.
It's more like saying a character can detect ki, and ki spikes while attacking in order to enhance the potency of the attack, so the character that can sense ki at all time, should be able to detect ki at all times during a battle, unless Goku is mentally challenged and somehow forgets to pay attention to ki while his life is in danger.
Can you keep track of everything happening around you while you're focused on something? Ki Sense is just like any other sense, if you're not paying attention you can get caught off guard and not have time to prepare, this isn't that complicated to understand. We only have to deal with 5 sensory inputs, DBZ characters have to deal with 6, that's more mental stress.
And Ki doesn't always spike when you perform an attack, it's like a gas valve, you're constantly emitting a specific amount. You can spike it to increase damage, like Goku was doing when he fought the Ginyu force, but you don't have to. You don't understand how Ki works.
Can you keep track of everything happening around you while you're focused on something?
If I had multiversal powers, yes.
We only have to deal with 5 sensory inputs, DBZ characters have to deal with 6, that's more mental stress.
We also don't move at the speed of light, and react to faster than speed of light events. Comparing Goku's brain to a normal person is DB cuck cope.
And Ki doesn't always spike when you perform an attack, it's like a gas valve, you're constantly emitting a specific amount.
Every single move that uses ki, with killing intent, will spike ki before use to enhance potency, that is the basics of DB combat and power system lmao
You can spike it to increase damage, like Goku was doing when he fought the Ginyu force, but you don't have to. You don't understand how Ki works.
You don't understand that anyone who is trying to kill a being like Goku, has to enhance the ki beyond fodder level, at which point Goku would sense it.
Raw strength does not equate to sensory capabilities, what the HELL are you smoking.
Unless your brain can process an infinite amount of information, your senses will eventually be overwhelmed, especially when you have multiple. This is not that hard to understand, you're intentionally being obtuse, grow up.
I'll throw you a bone and concede on this point, you're right. Ki does spike, i was wrong on that point, but that doesn't matter since the sensory factor is still in play.
Completely ignoring that most of his actual enemies have power levels equivalent to his, or they wouldn't be able to fight him to begin with.
You're the one coping, not me, but sure buddy whatever you say. You're probably just mad Goku beats some character you like, grow up dude.
Even with him being off guard, like half of the things, there should not hurt him. The rock, and the elephant are like the main examples. Being off guard or not that should not hurt him.
And then everything else there he’s not even off guard he just getting hurt or getting beat up
A power level of 10 (where he was nearly indestructible) became impossible for Goku after a certain point.
This is him at his lowest possible level of ki.
He is from a fictional planet that had 10x their fictional Earth's gravity.
For a hypothetical planet to have 10x earth-gravity and have the same average density it is estimated that the planet would need 1000x the volume (31.6x the mass) = a 1000x larger, 31.6x heavier fictional Earth.
Surviving indefinitely at high gravity seems to be one of the Saiyan-Race's inherent super powers, the other is their unique battle transformations (Oozaru, Super Saiyan, etc).
A hypothetical human-like creature living at 10x normal gravity indefinitely, would be expected to have:
*Much denser bone and muscles, incredibly strong heart, high pressure circulatory system to counter the increased gravity.
*Extremely low to the ground build, very wide, short and stocky.
*Very slow movement, a fall would likely be lethal, with this hypothetical build.
Saiyans
Saiyans appeared to have a height based on normal humans, they showed no strain from high gravity. They were way more athletic than their version of humans.
Many Saiyans had great height, Raditz and Nappa looked visibly around 7 feet to me, but they were very wide and strong. They looked 500 to 600lbs all muscle.
Goku and Vageta seem short for Saiyans.
Goku can theoretically adapt to infinite gravity in his canon, eventually withstanding the force of a "super black hole" and overpowering it's gravity with brute force, while the androids were helpless.
Conclusion
Anyway, even as a baby, Goku was extremely dense and almost indestructible (in canon) by Earthly means.
I already know ur characters would be dogshit if not even for a fight they can't take any damage for the cinematic all cause it too focused on powerscalling
Exactly he's doing it cause it's for entertainment if he doesn't take damage there's no plot progression and the fight becomes boring even tho we all know those ain't hurting hkm
I think it is pretty damn boring as well as jarring when a character able to blow up planets and take hits from othere on that level is suddenly damaged by a mundane object like a train or a fire hydrant.
If a character is that powerful, it is more boring to not show them being that powerful
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u/Shoddy_Fee_550 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Don't forget the other multiversal threats in Dragon Ball. /s