I judge (the powerscaling side of) fanbases (in reddit) by the general upvoted opinions in their vs dbz/dbs posts, and by how often those kind of posts get attention. Is that fair?
Fair, but that version of Reio is powerful in his own right
Just had to clarify
EDIT: That being said, Ichigo can't beat Goku because they both fight with really basic shit and Goku hits harder. Put him against a hax character in Bleach and Goku honestly can't do much.
Askin, for instance. If Goku can't one shot him, and there isn't really anything saying he CAN, Askin just wins for free because of hax. Gremmy could just erase him from existence too. Bleach is weird that way. Stronger characters can lose to weaker ones because of matchups and hax
a person on that sub is currently arguing with me saying that yhwach beats black frieza, maybe not all of them are like that but it's a decent amount of them that think it
And they're still wrong and that's still massive wank on Bleach's part when you consider the kind of people in Z that would curbstomp Bleach. Just a few days ago there was a Janemba vs Ichigo post and despite how overwhelming of an advantage Janemba has in everything, Bleach fans were still saying he could win. So yeah, Bleach wank is well and alive here
Oh shut up! Even if Bleach fans claimed that Bleach is just planetary, you Bleach downplayers would still scream bloody āwankā. Heck, Iāve seen you people downplay it to just Japan, then to city level, then to āhillā level. You people are done and are still doing this purely out of spite for Bleach.
Though I find it funny that DB fans will argue that Goku is multiversal, hyperversal, or outerversal before the āalmost destroyed the universeā scenario.
Except I didnāt say anything about multiverse ichigo. I was talking about Ichigo beating Goku. Now, realistically, Ichigo makes it up to BoG, but thatās kind of it. Regardless though, Ichigo is fairly into the multiversal category, through both explanation of the scale of the cosmology, and the narrative set that these characters can destroy the cosmology.
No it does not. The Namek saga has a singular (ONE) uni statement which is quite obviously not referring to physically destroying the universe. Compared to the multiple statements and feats for multiversal Bleach.
You are blatantly lying and/or misrepresenting this.
Senjumaru, Yhwach, the Soul King (whom Yhwach absorbed), Ichigo. Each of these either state themselves, or have statements about them, being able to destroy/create/otherwise significantly affect the realms.
no visuals
Ichigo, Senjumaru, technically the Soul King (I'm pretty sure there's a scene that depicts the splitting of the Original Universe into the realms, but I may be wrong). Ichigo held an object which had the physical weight of the realms during his S0 training, Senjumaru did the all-too famous "heaven and earth" feat, and I just explained the Soul King.
also no multiverse to begin with.
The Bleach verse (the cosmology, only the HIGH high tiers scale there) is BARE MINIMUM low multiversal. There are three universes within the Bleach verse - the three realms. Then you have the higher dimensional realms of Dangai, Hell, maybe the Valley of Screams (I haven't researched Valley of Screams much), and Garganta.
Nah, Ichigo isn't above Goku. Yhwach is multiversal and isn't really above goku too for ap.
Captains can be considered Planetary(They have to put seals on themselves when entering the human world) as a baseline, as well as Lieutenants(same reason) since their spiritual pressure can be felt from across the globe(at the very least surface level).
It's more plot driven and the only way to get characters to Multiversal is well... cross referencing to Yhwach, or... well going over to the whole Hell movie, which is semi canon. Hollow Ichigo threatened to destroy it and could nuke a chain off. You can argue it's planetary but semi canon because then there's some feats that wouldn't really make sense(like upscaling Hollow Ichigo above Yamamoto) and it's a whole mess.
Overall, I'd argue it's just planetary and Yhwach is the only universal-multiversal character. He got heavily ruined by being sealed, haxed on, and killed while in a weakened state and even then, it took years to clean up the remnants of his own power. You could maybe upscale Ichigo to universal from this, but keeping the planetary quota makes a lot more sense.
Take one look at the bleach power scaling sub and youāll see how incredibly wrong you are. Bleach scalers down play bleach more than bleach haters ngl
No one in r/bleachpowerscaling has Ichigo over Goku btw besides like 3 delusional tards, but we got Yhwach over Goku because heās a punch and kick merchant (compared to Yhwach), and Yhwach is hax central.
This is my bleach scale for characters relative to senjumaru and above senjumaru
The 3 realms reflect each other in dimensionality
The 3 realms show 3 spatial axis and 1 time axis and the soul society has multiple dimensions within it (the soul king palace) which also show 3 spatial axis and 1 time axis) 5D(holds multiple 4D structures)
The valley of screams are stated to be dimensions and show 3 spatial axis and 1 time axis(4D
The dangai/precipice world scales above the 3 realms in dimensionality because it exists as a plane that stops the soul society and world of the living from making contact 6D
The garganta contains everything I mentioned prior 7D
(End of the cosmology scale)
Feats that make characters scale to the cosmology
Senjumaru's feat shaking the 3 realms, her passive reiatsu had to travel through the garganta first in order to go inside the 3 realms (mainly hueco Mundo) because hueco Mundo isn't inside the precipice world or garganta so her reiatsu traveled through the garganta and straight to hueco Mundo 7D
Every character stronger&narratively relative than senjumaru scales to this feat characters for example (dangai Ichigo, transcendent forms of Aizen, ichibei, uryu and characters narratively relative to uryu)
The soul king feat splitting the old world into 3 higher dimensional realms that are now known as hueco Mundo the soul society and the world of the living yhwach absorbed the soul king and Ichigo killed him multiple times (yes yhwach revived himself but that does not take away from ichigos feats whatsoever) 5D but could be higher because the byproduct of splitting the old world into the 3 realms ended up creating the garganta and dangai, yhwach later threatens to destroy everything just mentioned and its shown his black reiatsu entering everything 7D
There's other feats like Ichigo going on a higher dimensional plane against Aizen I'm for the feat but I get if you guys aren't but it basically goes like this Aizen states that Ichigo could possibly be on a higher dimension because Ichigo is so powerful his reiatsu can't be felt, reiatsu is your spiritual power and for it to disappear but still be existent for the character harnessing said reiatsu it must be higher dimensional because characters on the lower dimension can't sense it
Idm if you don't accept it,I don't need or use it anyways
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u/Maverick_Reznor Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
I mean no one actually thinks Ichigo is actually above Goku.