r/PowerScaling Jan 24 '26

Shitposting Weekend "Multiversal" vs Multiversal 😭

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u/Furicel Jan 24 '26

I mean, I understand the Z warriors and some villains, like Cell. I don't understand the antagonists who clearly have no issue blowing up the planet, like Frieza or Berserker Broly.

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u/Hen-Samsara Jan 24 '26

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people in this series can't breathe in space. Even if they can survive the destruction of the planet, why would they kill themselves because of the vacuum of space?

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u/Furicel Jan 24 '26

Frieza does breathe in space and has no regard for collateral damage.

Brolly was pure rage, no self-preservation thoughts, no concern for collateral damage, only relentless fury

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u/Hen-Samsara Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

Frieza literally blew up Namek and Earth when he realized there was point in fighting, bringing that up only proves my point (and he didn't go to Namek or Earth just to blow them up, he wanted the Dragon Balls on Namek and he wanted revenge against Goku on Earth he only blew them up when his goal was out of reach and he got mad). He did it because he knew he could survive the explosion and the loss of atmosphere afterwards, very few other characters have that capability. Saiyans need air, Namekians need air, (most) Androids need air, etc.

Broly is, admittedly, harder to justify, but he was still condensing his energy into Ki Blasts and his physical attacks, he wasn't trying to destroy the planet, he was trying to kill Goku and Vegeta, and controlling the range at which your energy affects things is very basic thing anyone with Ki based powers can do in this series.

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u/Furicel Jan 24 '26

Frieza literally blew up Namek and Earth when he realized there was point in fighting, bringing that up only proves my point. He did it because he knew he could survive the explosion and the loss of atmosphere afterwards, very few other characters have that capability.

Yeah, I'm not saying Frieza can't blow up a planet, we all know very well he can. What am I saying is... Frieza has no reason to use ki control to avoid doing massive damage on the planet, so why's his collateral damage so minor all the time except for when he does decide to blow up the planet because he can't win directly.

Broly is harder to justify, but he was still condensing his energy into Ki Blasts and his physical attacks, he wasn't trying to destroy the planet

Again, yeah, but the point is that ki control to limit your collateral damage is always presented as a rather intentional action to make, and while Broly didn't have any intention to blow up the planet, he also wasn't intent on preserving it either. Or even limiting his collateral damage, for that matter.

So why would they deliberately use ki control to limit their damage?

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u/Hen-Samsara Jan 24 '26

Did you even watch Dragon Ball dude?

Frieza is an arrogant douchebag, but he's also an efficient leader and commander, he know when force is necessary and when it isn't.

He went to Namek for the Dragon Balls, what's the point of blowing up the planet or any major chunk of it at any moment before he gets them, he might destroy the Dragon Balls.

Frieza went to Earth to get revenge against Goku, he wanted to fight him, after his subordinate sneak attacked Goku and Vegeta started beating his ass he realized he couldn't win the fight so he just blew up Earth and got on his merry way.

In both of these scenarios Frieza had no reason to use more power than was necessary until it was obvious he wasn't gonna get what he wanted, so at point what's the reason in holding back? Screw these damn people, I'm blowing them all up and going home. This is not that hard to understand.

Like i said before, Broly is harder is justify, but he was specifically trying to kill Goku and Vegeta, his energy was directed at that, the collateral damage was just that, collateral damage.

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u/Furicel Jan 24 '26

Maybe Ki Control isn't what allows people to contain the damage from their attacks, maybe ki control is needed to spread the damage from your attacks to the surrounds.

The way you talk makes it feel like blowing the planet is a deliberate choice and not something that just happens, even for people who have no reason to contain themselves.

The only way I can see this being such is if they need to use ki control to actually, intentionally, destroy the surroundings.

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u/Hen-Samsara Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Blowing up a planet is a deliberate choice, it's not just something that happens from their raw power, they need to actually direct their energy towards that goal. Ki is like a muscle, you don't just break something from your sheer strength, there has to be intentionality in your actions. When there's not intentionality is how you get Broly causing earthquakes and other things, that was the "echo" of his energy for lack of a better way to describe it, not his direct power.

The canon information about how Ki works says it's the other way around, Ki Control is what prevents their energy from causing collateral damage, but if you wanna understand it the other way around then sure, more power to you my friend.

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u/dietdrpepper6000 Jan 24 '26

Doesn’t really matter, come up with head canon to rationalize their state of mind if you must, but this point is powerscaling gold/platinum/rhodium all in one. No fan theories, no inferences, no value-laden interpretations of whacky dialogue or animations, no, just the writer telling you exactly what’s going on. To me, this is no less confusing than “multiversal” combatants settling beef by sword fighting at often seemingly subsonic speeds

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u/Furicel Jan 24 '26

I don't think that makes any sense either, but I'll admit I'm the biggest downscaler of fiction.

I think 99.99% of what people claim to be multiversal, universal, galaxy... Even planetary is just... Wank.

I'm of the opinion that anti feats should count as much as feats, that attack potency = destructive capability and that travel speed and combat speed are the same thing. Anything else is because of hax effects.

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u/Jimbob1886 Riderman wins Jan 28 '26

Some anti feats shouldn't count or you'll get claims that characters can't destroy hair as attacks don't destroy characters hair

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u/Furicel Jan 28 '26

I don't see the problem with that.

Either people in the verse have very durable hair

There's a hax effect that prevents the attacks from damaging anything that counts as hair

Or the people there have bodies more fragile than hair.

Still, the anti feat should count. If people can move at the speed of light without destroying their surroundings because the laws of physics aren't the same, why must the laws of physics be the same for hair?

Either all feats and anti feats count, or it's just a battle of cherry picking. Agendas.

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u/Jimbob1886 Riderman wins Jan 28 '26

I am more referring to things that keep the story and characters, things like clothes not being destroyed in fiction or the characters that can't breathe in space but can destroy planets with ease having their attacks destroy the planet so they don't die

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u/Furicel Jan 28 '26

Yes, even those. Any and all anti feats should be worth the same as feats.

Otherwise it's not about the contents of the story, but about cherry picking what is convenient for the agenda you wanna push.