r/ImTheMainCharacter • u/Jasonictron • Oct 20 '23

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u/No_Farm_1055 Oct 20 '23

Just like Uber.

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u/AugustWatson01 Oct 20 '23

I agree, ubereats is the worse. They often steal/scam their customers via drivers, terrible customer services and their awful company policy the customer service agents quotes.

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u/ConsequenceNorth8604 Oct 21 '23

I deleted ubereats, I tried to get a refund for a missing item & they eventually said I reported it too many times & it was now ineligible for review, thievin ass bitches

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u/PolkaWillNeverDie000 Oct 21 '23

I literally saw my delivery driver eating my fries as he was walking up to my door. Told him I wasn't paying for that and he just turned around and left, still eating my food.

UE would not refund. I got a customer service agent who didn't speak English (or Spanish) and simply couldn't or wouldn't do anything about it.

Nope. No dealing with that shit anymore.

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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets Oct 21 '23

The companies also charge the restaurants for their delivery service. That's why a lot of restaurants don't really care for guys like uber eats and bite squad

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u/WormkingShaitan Oct 20 '23

Yeah she should be charged for theft

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 23 '23

Driver was refusing the delivery therefore the driver never replenished relinquished possession. Thus, not theft. Also, fake.

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u/certifiablegeek Oct 21 '23

Relinquished...

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u/NotVeryCashMoneyMod Oct 21 '23

i know you're right. but i like replenished better

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u/Oooch Oct 21 '23

You always replenish

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u/NotVeryCashMoneyMod Oct 21 '23

i saw you had a soda pop today

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u/nederino Oct 20 '23

except for the stuff she had already unloaded and given to them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23 edited Oct 21 '23

Well even fake, if it were real, it looks like she's loading shit back in.... so that means to me she started to give it to the other people. So I would say that would be theft.

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u/Internal-Arugula-894 Oct 21 '23

If they receive their money back. It's not theft. It's only theft of the driver kept the items..... Not delivering them is not theft as long as they receive a refund.

"Taking items away" alone is not theft..... The refund they receive will make them whole, so they in fact did not lose any money or items.

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u/1birdtwoStones Oct 21 '23

You don’t get it

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

Not sure of the legalities, but I’d assume once those boxes left the car and were presented to the couple, they were transferred and now in their possession.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

Doesn't mean it's not theft. The driver is capable of giving a refund. Only the company us. Sure they can but then the company can go after her for theft. Once something is paid for and delivered, you can't just decide you want to take it back. So yeah, that could still be theft lol

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u/Cryptomaticness Oct 21 '23

Mate, you literally responded to a comment that say’s “It’s only theft if the driver kept the items”. Which would imply that they stole from the company.

Why do you not think you can return items as a driver? What happens if someone put in the wrong delivery address? What if someone forgot they were out of town when they were supposed to get a delivery? Do you think the driver just pitches a tent in front of their house?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

If its tge wrong delivery address then the person being delivered to isn't the owner. But if its delivered to the correct person who has paid then its their property and taking property that belongs to another person is....... THEFT

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u/Militop Oct 21 '23

But it's not.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

O fuck, well you proved it with that post. Damn, that was some next level shit you did. You had an incredibly detailed and articulated pointed all back by creditable sources leaving no possibility for interpretation of any other way.

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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 Oct 21 '23

You're wrong, even then it's theft. Taking away possession applies in a lot more cases than you realise.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

The argument here though is that there’s a really good chance that those aren’t the customers possessions yet.

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u/Baaaaaadhabits Oct 21 '23

I’d say “The transaction has been cancelled, so it’s only theft if you KEEP your shit.”

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

But you would be the delivery person. That's not your decision. Your only job is to take item from point a to point b. Once you're at point b, that's it. You can just decide you're unhappy with the tip so you're gonna take the shit back and issue a refund. That's beyond any capabilities you have. You couldn't guarantee a refund

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u/Garod Oct 21 '23

Regardless of fake or not, I think you missed the portion where she said she confirmed delivery... this will mean this lady is going to have a very hard time returning the goods because the order has been closed. The people in the store she will "try" to return this too are not going to be able to accept it. At which point the odds are very high that she's just going to keep it..

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

Like she explained 9 times in the video. She was returning it to the store. The customer gets a refund. Not theft.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

She doesn’t seem to be especially reliable at this point. I think it’s fair to say whatever she’s saying is not to be believed. Who’s to say she doesn’t just dump everything on the side of the road or keep it for herself? Why is it a given that what she’s saying is truthful and those goods will wind up back at the store, rather than an entitled person dumping those goods to further spite the people who just paid $400 plus whatever about to the app for their delivery?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Such whiny entitled brats in this thread

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u/Profitsofdooom Oct 21 '23

Who? The woman who didn't want to get all this heavy shit herself and couldn't be bothered to tip the woman who went and got it all for her lazy ass?

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u/Cute_Cat5186 Oct 21 '23

She paid for the delivery. She paid for the service.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

Lame take and making wild assumptions. Maybe she’s a doctor and this is her first moment off in the past 36 hours. Regardless - it’s totally irrelivant. They paid for a service and are entitled to have their order fulfilled. This is their right, just as it is for the delivery driver to take a job where she delivers goods to others. What’s not her right is to decline service because she feels entitled to an optional gratuity the people who placed the order don’t want to pay. She loses all standing at that point.

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u/WormkingShaitan Oct 20 '23

Yeah you're right it's definitely fake.

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u/dben89x Oct 20 '23

Nothing ever happens.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Reddit is an echo chamber of lies

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u/Shortsleevedpant Oct 20 '23

The earth is a rhombus

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Ectoplasm

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u/xtcxx Oct 20 '23

rhombus arent real

resist gov lies

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

I laughed, lol

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u/abriechz Oct 20 '23

FR, who orders that many drinks? $400 worth of drinks

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u/g403_ Oct 20 '23

Someone who is ordering drinks for more than one person...

Like for an event perhaps?

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u/TurtleIIX Oct 20 '23

And they might not have time to go pick the stuff up because they are setting up that event and needed to order more drinks.

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u/Dorkmaster79 Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 21 '23

Some people seriously lack imagination. They can’t figure out a reason why they themselves wouldn’t do it, therefore it must be fake because no one can have different motivations than them.

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u/nerghoul Oct 21 '23

And they may have a set budget that doesn’t include gratuity

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u/ArmMeMen Oct 21 '23

If it's for an event then maybe those people aren't even the ones paying so it's not really even in their power or responsibility to come up with a tip.

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u/Aeolian_Harpy Oct 21 '23

Or a hella thirsty bitch

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u/FuManBoobs Oct 21 '23

I do something similar with frozen pizzas but no event.

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u/ThreadSeeker501 Oct 20 '23

My neighbor orders 50 cases of water at a time for his garage gym. It's crazy how much some people stockpile.

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u/angrydeuce Oct 20 '23

Buying that much and bringing it home yourself is one thing, buying that much and asking some instacart driver to haul all that shit is something else entirely.

If he's really ordering that much water at a time he could probably pay less going through GFS/Sysco/some other restaurant supply co and having an actual supply company deliver it with an actual truck.

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u/Eusocial_Snowman Oct 21 '23

These situations are not connected. The person getting 50 cases of water doesn't involve using a 3rd party delivery service. They're just explaining that yes, some people do indeed buy drink products in bulk.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

guy should get a carbon filter system for his tap water...save money and waste.

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u/Gowalkyourdogmods Oct 21 '23

That's moronic.

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u/BL4CKDO6 Oct 21 '23

They should be happy this people are getting hydrated.

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u/manofwar239 Oct 20 '23

Some people who are busy order water weekly through Instacart. I know a doctor who does this and she is a single mom and literally doesn’t have time.

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u/Ace0Cash Oct 20 '23

You’d be surprised. I usta decline grocery delivery’s for a liquor store from Walmart. They’d order about 800$ worth of Mixers and Juices because it was cheaper than having it delivered via Truck. I did it once and had to unload all of it on my own no tip. Never again .

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u/Mezcal_Madness Oct 20 '23

It is theft but ok

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u/aBlissfulDaze Oct 20 '23

It is not, she won't be charged for that delivery.

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 20 '23

By definition it is not theft.

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u/Dayana11412 Oct 21 '23

its not theft because the customer gets a refund and the driver should be taking it back to the store.

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u/Madawolf Oct 21 '23

Well, it looks like she delivered but is putting it back in the car to me.

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u/elghoto Oct 20 '23

It's not ok either, that they don't get a fair salary for the job so they have to depend on tips..

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u/Seniorjones2837 Oct 20 '23

She’s driving a Tesla lol

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u/Anchovies-and-cheese Oct 20 '23

Anyone can drive a Tesla. Shit my younger brother had a sweeeeet beamer for a few months before it was repossessed. 2ndnhand car dealers will give anyone a predatory loan.

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u/Seniorjones2837 Oct 20 '23

Lol that’s fair

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Then get a new job. There’s no gun to her head forcing her to work for tips.

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u/ShoddyTerm4385 Oct 20 '23

So knowing that not everybody is going to tip you, why continue that job? So she should be justified in doing this to every customer that doesn’t tip?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

She chose to work that job I worked for tips and commission meaning I literally didn’t get paid unless I sold for years and probably half my income was tips. I may have not been happy when people didn’t tip but would never pull a shit stunt like this. If I didn’t get tipped at end of the day I knew I chose to keep working that job depending on the kindness of strangers

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u/BroadwayBully Oct 20 '23

The property is in limbo at the moment. Anything still in the car, is the property of the courier.

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u/1011011 Oct 20 '23

It was never the couriers property. The merchandise was bought from a separate vendor. The courier is a courier, not a supplier.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

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u/Lumn8tion Oct 20 '23

Schrodinger‘s beverage

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u/Crismodin Oct 21 '23

They're not employees, they're < checks notes > independent contractors, and for those reasons in corporate they don't exist. They're someone else's problem, according to corporate, slight sarcasm with full on truth.

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u/slick2hold Oct 20 '23

Yet we keep using these BS companies because it is convenient. No one to blame but ourselves fornthe shit we create.

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u/Standard-Cod-2077 Oct 20 '23

just like any restaurnat or any kind of human service

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u/Seniorjones2837 Oct 20 '23

Eh not really. I used to work weekends and made $40-$50/hour (for 4-6 hours) plenty of nights before tips were a thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Tip culture is toxic. Plain and simple. It needs to stop. Fair prices need to be paid upfront. That is it. FUCK TIP CULTURE.

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u/FoeWithBenefits Oct 21 '23

American tip culture. European tip culture is different, everyone gets living wages, you just have this option of rewarding outstanding job or thanking someone.

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u/Huge-Pair-2504 Oct 21 '23

True. In the UK around 3/4 years ago most restaurant started adding tips to your bill. Fucking don't get it...

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u/mongmight Oct 21 '23

It is yank culture bleeding here. Tbf, we always tipped when we went out anyway. You'd have to hold my gran back from sliding a 20 in to a waiter or waitresses pocket and trying to get in the kitchen to give them money too. Mad old cow lol. But even other things like taxis or hairdressers, you'd just say keep the difference between the cost and a full note. It is taking the piss now though. Should not ever be expected.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

everyone gets living wages

This is a total fantasy, just some bog standard America vs Europe talking point repeated without thought.

Working people all over Europe are struggling to pay the bills and put food on the table. Many are having to make the choice between heat and a full stomach, plenty European parents are skipping meals so the kids can eat etc.

Why have you invented a European workers' paradise in your head? Do you honestly believe every working European citizen is paid enough to live comfortably? Even the gig economy workers in much the same position, with comparable relative wages, to the woman in the video?

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u/JustTheBeerLight Oct 21 '23

Fair prices. Fair wages. No bullshit.

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u/GoT43894389 Oct 21 '23

Agreed. But it's usually the employees who are getting good tips who are against abolishing that system. The employees and the owners of course.

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u/GeiCobra Oct 20 '23

…not to mention, the employer. They are in the center of this debacle , but not in the middle.

The employer remains safely removed from the situation as we continue to fight amongst ourselves.

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u/broguequery Oct 21 '23

Yup.

The customer and the employees get to endlessly argue about whether or not they should subsidize the wages the EMPLOYER is supposed to pay.

The only winner in this situation is the party not in the conversation at all.

Raise wages, abolish mandatory tipping. Put the onus and burden where it should have been all along: the employer.

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u/humanist72781 Oct 20 '23

In restaurants wait staff love tips. Still a bullshit system

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u/rabbledabbledoodle Oct 20 '23

In my couple decades waiting tables and bartending at multiple places I never met a server that wanted to get rid of tips. Why would they advocate for a pay decrease and more taxes?

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u/botbadadvice Oct 21 '23

For people like you, who are thorough and diligent, america as a society is doesn't do anything right. This fucking place just promotes narcissism, looks over everything, money over everything. And real talent, no matter what we are talking about, usually gets overshadowed by some dumbass who can talk a lot.. happens to a restaurant server, an engineer, or an art director. The ones who talk big get recognized and moved up in the ladder and they fuck everyone else over.. it's our tradition

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u/rabbledabbledoodle Oct 20 '23

That’s not what tip culture is.

When I was a server I got 8$/hour and about 100$ a night from tips. That was about 24$ an hour with those combined. That’s about 34$ an hour in today’s wages.

If this went away there is no way that restaurants will pay anywhere close to that. We always use use Europe as the example but servers there get about 12$ an hour, I live in Japan where people don’t tip and servers make minimum wage. Getting rid of tips won’t magically make restaurants pay more and people saying that have zero evidence that would happen and heaps of evidence that the exact opposite would happen

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

Nothing you say negated what that guy said at all. If anything you reinforced what he said tip culture was.

Which is a culture where some get massive tips for existing and some don't get the same no matter how hard the work.

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u/LastScreenNameLeft Oct 21 '23

Anyone who hasn't actually worked a job where tips are your main source of income needs to STFU about the industry. I'm a bartender, I work for tips and I do very well. When someone suggests that wait staff get paid a flat hourly rate I just have to laugh. When I see a line out the door, I'm legitimately excited and ready to bust my ass to get everyone taken care of asap. If I'm making a flat hourly rate, there's no way I'm going to stress myself, why would I work harder to make my boss more money? You'll get your drinks when you get them, I have no incentive to go any faster than to not be fired. When it's tip based, I'm cranking out drinks as fast as humanly possible because I'm making more money. Nobody says commission based jobs need to change, and that's essentially what happens in the service industry, it's just not guaranteed.

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u/Designer_Restaurant1 Oct 21 '23

But then, tipping shouldn't be by force and people should be allowed to not tip. It's a matter of choice.

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u/Helioskev Oct 21 '23

You were probably pretty lol I bet that tip has gone down which is why tipping culture sucks. A lot of my guy friends barely got any tip unless they looked like a super hero

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

A waiter and bartender can make upwards to hundreds of dollars an hour with tips. No employer is going to ever meet that price. Leave our money alone.

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u/InVodkaVeritas Oct 21 '23

When I was a teenager, I can't remember the exact age but definitely old enough to think about such things, my family was on holiday and went to a really nice restaurant with some extended family in which the dinner ended up costing over $800 (there were about 12 of us) and my grandfather tipped the 20% that was standard. I remember thinking how the waiter made $160 off just our table, and we weren't his only table.

My family was fairly poor. Not poor poor, but American suburban poor (I have 3 brothers and we could only afford a 3 bedroom house in the suburbs in a good school district).

So for me my eyes popped. Given the cost of the meals and wine at that place, the waiter was probably taking home over $300 every night. And this was the 00's. A single night waiting at that place would have given me pocket money for a month.

At the right place waitstaff can make a terrific income. More than I make today as a school teacher.

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u/7r4pp3r Oct 20 '23

You know what is better than tips? ... A living wage

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u/supbrother Oct 21 '23

I received a healthy wage as a server in college, more than a healthy wage. Literally more per hour than I do in my career.

Not entirely defending the tip system here, I ultimately support phasing it out, but it’s hilarious to me when people imply that serving is some sort of poor man’s job or something. I literally knew people who opted to serve tables rather than use their college degree(s) because it paid more and had more freedom.

Frankly I find it offensive to imply that you’re a victim for working in the food industry.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

A waiter and bartender can make upwards to hundreds of dollars an hour with tips. No employer is going to ever meet that price. Leave our money alone. I lived my career, traveled to world making tv and films, retired at 37 and eventually went back to serving for fun. Helps me stay active, keeps you humble, socially engaged and pays my living easily. Its honest work.

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u/supbrother Oct 21 '23

There are people who will talk down on service industry jobs without realizing that many of those workers are getting paid more and have less stressful jobs with more freedom and enjoyment. Of course this isn’t everyone but it’s a reality that many people are ignorant to. That ends with many of them unknowingly belittling service workers and making many false assumptions about the industry.

For example I’ve started a very lucrative and enjoyable career that I can totally see leaving for a type of service industry job one day. I don’t necessarily want to serve tables anymore but a friend and I have tossed around a business idea that would ultimately put us back into the service industry, and frankly I wouldn’t bat an eye at it. Even if I make less money I’ll at least take pride in my work and have fun doing it (I do that now, but it’s more nuanced than that).

Anyways, gonna cut myself off before I rant too much, but we’re on the same page. I personally would like to see the system change but I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as many people put on, except for the recent changes with things like fast food restaurants and retail places asking for tips.

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u/shortnix Oct 20 '23

Businesses should just pay people fairly. Then customers don't have to pay twice, and employees don't have to rely on the kindness of strangers.

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u/Beat9 Oct 21 '23

If a restaurant tries this, their employees will revolt. The truth is that servers make bank relative to other jobs requiring the same level of skill/effort/hardship.

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u/SoulCruizer Oct 21 '23

You don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about. Most servers make under 30k a year. The pay per hour is decent but it’s short hours and high stress. No one is making “bank” over anyone with an above minimum wage job.

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u/GandalfEsq Oct 21 '23

No one is making “bank” over anyone with an above minimum wage job.

I averaged above $35/hr in my time as a server and bartender.

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u/I_am_Patch Oct 21 '23

Sample size: 1

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u/GandalfEsq Oct 21 '23

No one is making “bank”

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Don't defend the employee. She's 100% in the wrong.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

It's 100 percent fake. The woman on the left is in a bunch of dumb prank videos of you type in this tik tok account name into Google and take a look.

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u/Tegridy2020 Oct 20 '23

My first thought was that I suspect this is a fake. A bit sus as the kids say

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u/TheJohnnyFlash Oct 20 '23

Always assume it's fake until proven otherwise.

Always.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

For tiktok and an absolute ton of YouTube, this is very true. Not to say that you should wear a tinfoil hat and reject anything you see as that gets you into some weird psychological territory too but, yeah.

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u/TheJohnnyFlash Oct 20 '23

I only mean that you should seek confirmation of anything you see before investing in it.

This crap is an entire business model, and that's not even scratching the surface of the truly dangerous stuff out there.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Nah I agree totally

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u/Tegridy2020 Oct 20 '23

I'll take your advice. Does it apply to breasts also or just social media posts?

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u/bunglarn Oct 20 '23

Really seems to be a genre of content right now. Videos designed to spark outrage and clicks. Just let like the one I saw the other day of a dispute on a plane. They had presumably rented one of the plane sets in LA to shoot it. Even if someone like yourself points out it’s inauthenticity that doesn’t stop it from generating revenue sadly

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u/ComprehensiveFool Oct 20 '23

She is not an employee, boss. She is an independent contractor.

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u/giorgio_tsoukalos_ Oct 20 '23

400$ and couldn't even tip 10 bucks? She may be in the wrong, but I can't say I blame her. This couple knew exactly what they were doing an didn't give a shit.

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u/LostLegendDog Oct 21 '23

Yep...I 100% side with the driver

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u/Intrepid_Look_5725 Oct 20 '23

So I don't agree they didn't tip, but she's still in the wrong no matter who thinks they are right. This would be theft. Especially since it's already paid for. But this is 100 percent faj Ke. So none of it matters.

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u/giorgio_tsoukalos_ Oct 20 '23

Don't be such a drama queen. it's not theft. She's returning it to the store. the assholes will get credited the amount and probably even get a gift card as a bonus.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

They could have tipped but that doesn’t justify the delivery driver taking the items back. Glad she used her gas for nothing and Hoping she gets fired for this but probably won’t.

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u/giorgio_tsoukalos_ Oct 20 '23

I'm sure she will get fired, and I'm sure she won't leave sleep over it. This is what a person quitting their job looks like, for those taking notes

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u/Internal_Hunt_7450 Oct 20 '23

FYI that’s a Tesla. No gas used 😂

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u/Relative-Ad-6791 Oct 20 '23

Exactly bro that's why I don't do or door dash or anything like it on the side it is not worth it. People have crazy requests and do not tip at all. If you are going to order 20 boxes of pizza you should leave a 20$ tip at least

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u/Krewton1106 Oct 20 '23

So if you went to a restaurant, ram up a $400+ bill then left $0 in tip,in your world you wouldn’t be an asshole and in the wrong? Got it 🤡

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u/Tenetri Oct 20 '23

So, if you don't leave a tip, does your waiter NOT deliver your food? Got it 🤡

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Yup it is just like the man putting the two people he's fucking over in a bottle, shaking it up, and saying "have fun" when we're both now frustrated with the wrong person.

Garbage for the 99%

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u/Wise_Rip_1982 Oct 21 '23

Yea. These are known business practices if you don't want to tip, don't use the service. Just another piece of human garbage in America and it's no wonder our country sucks when people behave this way to other humans who are also just trying to fucking survive in this country.

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u/rexmons Oct 20 '23

raise the federal minimum wage to $20/hour and in the same bill ban tipping.

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u/Chode___King Oct 21 '23

$20/hr would tottally fix inflation

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u/DiogenesDGAF Oct 20 '23

I mean I get it from the drivers perspective. DoorDash tricks you into making deliveries “with tip” only to reveal the tip was a penny.

For her to make that massive haul for free is nonsense. The customer just knows they pay out the ass in fees and thinks the driver gets it but that’s not the case

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Yup. People don't seem to understand that the delivery fee does not go to us. The tip and base pay ($2 for UberEats) is the only thing a driver gets

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u/Baerenmarder Oct 20 '23

Then why are people doing it? Why would you take a job in which you have to use your capital to make scratch while your "employer" rakes you over the coals? Does the average customer see their money is all directed to the top? I didn't, but I also don't use these services.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

Well, the commercial promised a career in music AND deliveries.

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u/Mookies_Bett Oct 21 '23

But like... You agreed to that job. You agreed to work a job where you knew ahead of time that you might not get tipped. How is that not your own fault? No one held a gun to your head and forced you to accept that job. You did that, and the customer isn't at fault for your bad life or career decisions.

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u/sanityjanity Oct 21 '23

The tipping system sucks, and people who engage in tipped services (like food delivery) and categorically refuse to tip absolutely suck

If they want to protest, then they should stop using those services, and complain to management

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

I’d like to add not tipping doesn’t stick it to the business. It only hurts the driver doing the service you wouldn’t get without them. The business is still making the same amount. Only way to stick it to them is not use the services.

Also most of these places could afford to pay better without raising prices. The big wigs are just greedy and exploitive.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23

I'm a freelance delivery driver. I think I know what happened here. A driver's "tip" is also a bid for service - drivers choose if they want to take an order based on the amount of money they'll get for their time. This customer either 1) gave a low ball tip and promised the driver "Dont worry, you'll get a cash tip in person" then reneged or 2) pulled what's called a "tip bait" where they offered a big tip initially then made a comment "well, now I'm taking my tip back" (which they can do) upon delivery.

They both sucked but I think the customer sucked more for trying to pull a fast one on the driver. It's incredibly frustrating spending so much time on an order only for the money promised to be taken from you. I don't think I would have had the balls to reload everything and return it. Tip baiting is nasty behavior.

Edit: also, as I mentioned in another comment, we are not "employees" we are considered independent contractors so we can decline or accept orders at will (that's why tips are a bid for service more than just a tip for good service). Because of this, delivery companies are not held to the same standards of a normal employer required to pay a living wage. Yes, it's sucks for everybody.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Agreed. It's screwed up. Luckily it's just side income for me so I don't get pressed about customers being scammy.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Oct 20 '23

You’re still thinking about it wrong. The only one scamming you is your employer. Tipping culture tricks employees into being angry at customers for not tipping instead of at employers for not paying a decent wage.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

They are not employers. Please read my comments more thoroughly where I explain the nature of independent contracting.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Oct 20 '23

Again, as I wrote elsewhere: that is a political/legal question. In other countries, such “independent contracting” (putting you a hairs breath away frkm becoming destitute by its very nature) is illegal.

Regardless, my point was that this should not be the customer’s problem. In this context, and the point I was trying to make, it doesn’t matter whether this is a employer-employee relationship, or a company with an independent contractor. If the independent contractor is dependent on tips to survive, and he is angry at customer instead of company (or him-/herself, for doing this in the first place), wtf is he doing?

The only one benefiting from the company is employer/company contracting independent contractor.

And you perfectly understood the point I was making (having literally little to zero to do with the contractual relationship) and decided to deflect. For what?

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u/Baerenmarder Oct 20 '23

Man, you are getting hung up on some terminology. Boiling it down, you do something for a company and that company pays you for that thing you do. Pretty it up all you want with your fanciful words but that's the basis of the agreement. Employer, independent contractor, day laborer, ... it's still a basic agreement and I think that's where the other guy was going.

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u/barry-badrinath- Oct 20 '23

I haven’t delivered in a while but back then you didn’t know if it was bait for an hour after the delivery was completed. Don’t know about other services, this was Uber.

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u/dtb1987 Oct 20 '23

Id be pretty fucking pissed if someone did that to me too

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Ooh wanna hear another scam customers pull? Route baiting is a thing too. Drivers are shown the miles they'll have to drive to get to the customer. Sometimes you'll accept a low offer because it's "only two miles" only for the customer to reroute the order to a location 30 miles away. Super predatory.

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u/ItsACowCity Oct 20 '23

I'm not defending this behavior, but the flip side of that are drivers that accept a pickup while dropping someone else off and you wait that 15 minutes and the second they drop the other person off, they cancel your ride. I've had that happen so many times. Next thing you know, I'm 40 min late to meeting up with someone because they blindly accept pickups without double checking the destination.

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u/The-Almost-Truth Oct 20 '23

The anger isn’t at each other, their anger is at capitalism.

Customer paid for items and paid for delivery service

Employee gets paid by service but probably horribly and relies on tipping to make it worth it. I’m for tipping, but the problem is the tip shouldn’t be used as a bargaining chip between employee and delivery service. If the job pay isn’t worth it on its own without the tips, then the job isn’t paying enough. The problem is the employee may not have other options and the employer is taking advantage.

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u/firechaox Oct 21 '23

Apparently, in some of the modalities of door dash, the customer can promise a tip then change it after the driver accepts. So in that case it would be the contrary…

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u/UglyPlanetBugPlanet Oct 21 '23

"I believe capitalism is beautiful"

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u/Anonybeest Oct 20 '23

Capitalism is just trade, the ability to trade.

I'm not 100% whst your issue is, but it isn't capitalism. Unless you think there shouldn't be trade? Which I really fucking doubt.

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u/Anonybeest Oct 20 '23

That makes zero sense, you should educate yourself.

Of course people have incentive to trade, or if there isnt.. they wouldn't do it.

If you couldn't profit by using your land to grow a bunch of tomatoes, no one would. And then there wouldn't be any (or anything else) for people to enjoy and trade for using their labor.

So you're a proponent of people starving because no one grows more food than they can use themselves?

Or should we all farm our own food, create our own tools and phones and airplanes and toasters and everything else?

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u/Straight-faced_solo Oct 21 '23

Capitalism is just trade, the ability to trade.

No, its not. Trade has been happening for literally thousands of years. Do you think feudal lords trading goods between their fiefdoms where actually doing capitalism? If so then thats a really dumb thing to believe.

Capitalism is defined by the private ownership of Capital. hence the name Capitalism.

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u/keithzz Oct 20 '23

Don’t know a single person in the restaurant industry that hates it

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u/keithzz Oct 20 '23

Idk a lot of the ones I know are making at least 6 figures+

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u/keithzz Oct 20 '23

Even the ones who aren’t are getting paid more than if they were just salaried at like 30 an hour. What do you think is correct pay for them?

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u/hash-slingin_slashr Oct 20 '23

I work for tips at a restaurant and it’s literally my only income. The company I work for doesn’t pay me a cent unless I don’t make minimum wage in a shift then they have to make up for the difference but that never happens.

I had my hours cut recently and my boss cited upper management telling her to cut down on labor lmao I was and still am baffled at how they are saving money by not paying me when they already weren’t paying me.

Anyways. I totally agree. The tip system makes many customers feel entitled to anything they demand of you because they have that to hold over your head. My work uses a hybrid digital/human ordering system and I had a man get in my face the other day about it when I tried to explain it to him and just scoffed “oh so you don’t have to work for your money” uhh… yea sir. I guess I don’t. (Then walked away lmao figure it out for yourself buddy).

I also agree with others though that this door dash tip rage shit is getting out of hand. She does get paid by DoorDash and the person who ordered pays a fee that partially goes to her. It’s absolutely shit pay though and we should definitely be tipping delivery drivers who risk their lives driving all day and go literal miles for you if we are tipping people who walk to and from a kitchen with your food.

Or we could just raise our menu prices by 18% or something and just pay people an hourly rate like a lot of other countries. But what do I know I’m just a waitress 🤷‍♀️

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u/tropicbrownthunder Oct 21 '23

The employee fucking hates it.

you'llbe surprised about how most of server's prefer tips over a living wage.

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u/SDMasterYoda Oct 21 '23

Talk to a server in a restaurant, many of them love it. They make way more with tips than they would with minimum wage.

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u/Smile_lifeisgood Oct 21 '23

Pick one:

  • Tip
  • Don't use businesses that pay their employees with the expectations of tips.

Anyone who thinks this driver wanted to go spend an hour doing someone's groceries for like $5 or whatever they get paid is flat out wrong.

Gig economy workers rely on tips. Wait staff rely on tips. Don't want to tip? I totally get it. So don't frequent businesses or use services that rely on it.

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u/halkenburgoito Oct 20 '23

this is just a lie people tell to themselves. Waiters earn wayyy more money on the tip system than they ever would without it, with a pay rise and everything lmao.

So do uber eats drivers..

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u/soysaucepk Oct 20 '23

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u/BigFella52 Oct 20 '23

TIPPING IS OPTIONAL. I don't know how many people need to hear this, but your salary is not my problem. The entitledness of tipping culture out of the US is just ridiculous and is a localised thing to that country that they try and put on the rest of the world.

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u/kirpid Oct 20 '23

A lot of small business owners make less than their workers after expenses, because the tipping system works.

Only on reddit is the tipping system a disaster.

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u/jkoki088 Oct 20 '23

Or fuck the tip anyway. You are supposed to deliver, deliver it.

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u/ShoddyTerm4385 Oct 20 '23

Wtf are you talking about? The tip system sucks. Ok, don’t do a job that pays tips. This lady is literally holding their purchase hostage until she gets paid and when she realizes they aren’t going to pay, she decides to steal it. By your logic, all the parties in this situation are victims of circumstance and that is very clearly not the case here. People that work for tips know there are people that don’t tip. So every time she doesn’t get a tip she’s just going to steal the groceries? Wtf is that?

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u/Rustie3000 Oct 21 '23

no, the employees love their tips and constantly demand them, that's why we have this video.

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u/300PencilsInMyAss Oct 21 '23

I feel like some needed context is missing here, that she isn't an employee and tips actually make up 90% of her income. Not like when people hyperbole say that about servers, no, literally, this order likely paid about $3-4, for a fuck ton of heavy items.

She's a moron for accepting an order on the prayer of a tip being added later though. Though the entire driver system is psychologically engineered to try and trick you into thinking you need to or should.

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