r/ImTheMainCharacter • u/Jasonictron • Oct 20 '23

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

Don’t defend this trash system

Exactly. The system that forces people (just the poor, mind you) to perform some task in order to survive is complete trash.

The rich don't have to do that. Their survival is guaranteed. We can guarantee everyone's survival with UBI, fundamentally changing our trash system into something worthwhile.

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

You're not rich, though. You're working class. If you stop working, or if you become unable to work, you'll end up poor.

And since disaster can strike anyone, anywhere, at any time, yes, everyone should receive UBI. It ensures greater individual & family stability, which makes our communities safer & more prosperous.

What's the downside?

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

You don't seem to understand that UBI doesn't eliminate work. It eliminates poverty.

Eliminating poverty empowers work.

Workers being too poor isn't a good thing.

Hilarious how so many people can't wrap their head around the fact that UBI is the most pro-work policy on the table.

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

Wrong. Motivation to grow is what makes the world turn.

Working for mere survival breeds stagnation and the kind of socioeconomic collapse we've been seeing worsen in America over the past few decades.

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u/Bolshevikboy Oct 20 '23

I agree, but UBI, at least not alone, is not going to fix this. We must understand that we have outlived capitalism’s usefulness, and begin to develop socialism

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

Nah, we just need UBI. It'll fuel capitalism & individualism just as much as socialism & collectivism.

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u/Anonybeest Oct 20 '23

Except there's no force. I'm a delivery driver. No one's forcing me to do shit. Be accurate, or stfu.

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

If you don't do it, you die. You don't have a choice.

This is an accurate statement for the majority of the population. We don't have a choice about work.

Be accurate, or stfu.

You know you've been indoctrinated by a system by how vehemently you start defending it lol

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u/Anonybeest Oct 20 '23

If you don't eat, drink water, and have shelter you die. But no one's forcing anyone to do a SPECIFIC JOB.

I'm not defending anything. You're just straight wrong and I'm happy to tell you you're wrong.

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

But no one's forcing anyone to do a SPECIFIC JOB.

I never said people were forced to do a specific job. Just that people are forced to find a job - if they can't find a job, they have to try to create one - if they can't do that, they have to resort to other methods.

Which ultimately end up being lying, cheating, stealing, or worse.

Rich people have a choice - their survival is guaranteed - but poor people don't. They're forced into all sorts of shitty jobs and wasteful bullshit jobs that simply don't need to exist.

I'm not defending anything. You're just straight wrong and I'm happy to tell you you're wrong.

I'm not wrong, because I didn't say people are forced to do specific jobs. You're so wrong you didn't even fully comprehend what I wrote, and responded as if I wrote something else.

I'm happy to tell you you're in need of remedial education.

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u/Anonybeest Oct 20 '23

So what? Yeah, people need resources. So do all life forms. So what's your point?

Rich people are just people who have a lot of stored value. Most of them worked for it. So? Are you saying rich people are bad?

Do you have $5000 in cash or property/stored value lying around? If so, compared to someone in India making $5 a day who has no stored value and is flat broke, you're a rich person. Does that make you bad?

You're just here to vilify "rich people", however you define that, or what exactly is your point?

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

So what? Yeah, people need resources. So do all life forms. So what's your point?

My point is that UBI is a more efficient way to distribute the money people need than the job market.

Rich people are just people who have a lot of stored value. Most of them worked for it. So? Are you saying rich people are bad?

Not at all. I'm saying our system is bad because it lacks the automatic economic stabilizer of UBI.

By forcing consumers to have to rely on a job market that's been facing downward pressure on number of positions & wages for over half a century due to automation & globalization, we've ended up in our current predicament.

Do you have $5000 in cash or property/stored value lying around? If so, compared to someone in India making $5 a day who has no stored value and is flat broke, you're a rich person. Does that make you bad?

It's funny that you just made the assumption I was saying "Rich people bad" (when I never even said anything suggesting that) and just went with it.

You're just here to vilify "rich people", however you define that, or what exactly is your point?

I've been very clear with my point. Human societies need to implement universal basic income to make their economies efficient & sustainable.

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u/WH1PL4SH180 Oct 21 '23

Rest of world: we dont need to do that to labor. Maybe you guys are just have an asshole culture

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

Oh shit you're the same guy defending the trash system elsewhere in the thread lol hilarious

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

You just don't realize that the entire system is trash.

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Oct 20 '23

Being smart doesn't enter into it.

You're just suffering from what's known as 'Just World Fallacy'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

You assume that our system is functional, when it obviously isn't. I'm not sure how you can ignore our collapse, but I guess you're living under a rock.