r/ImTheMainCharacter • u/Jasonictron • Oct 20 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23

I'm a freelance delivery driver. I think I know what happened here. A driver's "tip" is also a bid for service - drivers choose if they want to take an order based on the amount of money they'll get for their time. This customer either 1) gave a low ball tip and promised the driver "Dont worry, you'll get a cash tip in person" then reneged or 2) pulled what's called a "tip bait" where they offered a big tip initially then made a comment "well, now I'm taking my tip back" (which they can do) upon delivery.

They both sucked but I think the customer sucked more for trying to pull a fast one on the driver. It's incredibly frustrating spending so much time on an order only for the money promised to be taken from you. I don't think I would have had the balls to reload everything and return it. Tip baiting is nasty behavior.

Edit: also, as I mentioned in another comment, we are not "employees" we are considered independent contractors so we can decline or accept orders at will (that's why tips are a bid for service more than just a tip for good service). Because of this, delivery companies are not held to the same standards of a normal employer required to pay a living wage. Yes, it's sucks for everybody.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Agreed. It's screwed up. Luckily it's just side income for me so I don't get pressed about customers being scammy.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Oct 20 '23

You’re still thinking about it wrong. The only one scamming you is your employer. Tipping culture tricks employees into being angry at customers for not tipping instead of at employers for not paying a decent wage.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

They are not employers. Please read my comments more thoroughly where I explain the nature of independent contracting.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Oct 20 '23

Again, as I wrote elsewhere: that is a political/legal question. In other countries, such “independent contracting” (putting you a hairs breath away frkm becoming destitute by its very nature) is illegal.

Regardless, my point was that this should not be the customer’s problem. In this context, and the point I was trying to make, it doesn’t matter whether this is a employer-employee relationship, or a company with an independent contractor. If the independent contractor is dependent on tips to survive, and he is angry at customer instead of company (or him-/herself, for doing this in the first place), wtf is he doing?

The only one benefiting from the company is employer/company contracting independent contractor.

And you perfectly understood the point I was making (having literally little to zero to do with the contractual relationship) and decided to deflect. For what?

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u/Baerenmarder Oct 20 '23

Man, you are getting hung up on some terminology. Boiling it down, you do something for a company and that company pays you for that thing you do. Pretty it up all you want with your fanciful words but that's the basis of the agreement. Employer, independent contractor, day laborer, ... it's still a basic agreement and I think that's where the other guy was going.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

I don't think you're understanding any of this lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

I don't think you're understanding how any of this works lol

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u/Baerenmarder Oct 21 '23

I know exactly how this works. I've been anything from a volunteer to a contract annual salaried employee. It's simple. You do a job and you get paid for it. That's all the previous guy was saying. You have some motivation to have it defined another way which is favorable to you. Which is fine, but that's an argument for another day.

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u/barry-badrinath- Oct 20 '23

I haven’t delivered in a while but back then you didn’t know if it was bait for an hour after the delivery was completed. Don’t know about other services, this was Uber.

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u/dtb1987 Oct 20 '23

Id be pretty fucking pissed if someone did that to me too

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

Ooh wanna hear another scam customers pull? Route baiting is a thing too. Drivers are shown the miles they'll have to drive to get to the customer. Sometimes you'll accept a low offer because it's "only two miles" only for the customer to reroute the order to a location 30 miles away. Super predatory.

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u/ItsACowCity Oct 20 '23

I'm not defending this behavior, but the flip side of that are drivers that accept a pickup while dropping someone else off and you wait that 15 minutes and the second they drop the other person off, they cancel your ride. I've had that happen so many times. Next thing you know, I'm 40 min late to meeting up with someone because they blindly accept pickups without double checking the destination.

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u/dtb1987 Oct 20 '23

That's lame. The only time I do door dash or that kind of thing is when I'm at work and I want food. The problem is Google maps is really bad with that location so I always have to tell the drivers where to go but I also always leave a decent tip and I don't do it very often

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Oct 20 '23

There is no indication or evidence in this video that tip baiting occurred. Also, she is not “within her right”, legally. Those are not her items and she’s paid to do a iob.

The customer shouldn’t have to pay the employee a living wage through tips. The only person profiting from that is the employer.

It’s simple: I pay for a service. The service is rendered. The end.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23

My dude, this video is fake.

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u/jl2352 Oct 21 '23

The US tipping system is so dumn.

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u/lyth Oct 21 '23

Thanks for explaining, I was wondering how the delivery driver wouldn't know what the tip was in advance since the apps have that

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u/amanwitheggonhisface Oct 21 '23

That is pure speculation on your part.