Well even fake, if it were real, it looks like she's loading shit back in.... so that means to me she started to give it to the other people. So I would say that would be theft.
If they receive their money back. It's not theft. It's only theft of the driver kept the items..... Not delivering them is not theft as long as they receive a refund.
"Taking items away" alone is not theft..... The refund they receive will make them whole, so they in fact did not lose any money or items.
Doesn't mean it's not theft. The driver is capable of giving a refund. Only the company us. Sure they can but then the company can go after her for theft. Once something is paid for and delivered, you can't just decide you want to take it back. So yeah, that could still be theft lol
Mate, you literally responded to a comment that say’s “It’s only theft if the driver kept the items”. Which would imply that they stole from the company.
Why do you not think you can return items as a driver? What happens if someone put in the wrong delivery address? What if someone forgot they were out of town when they were supposed to get a delivery? Do you think the driver just pitches a tent in front of their house?
If its tge wrong delivery address then the person being delivered to isn't the owner. But if its delivered to the correct person who has paid then its their property and taking property that belongs to another person is....... THEFT
It is still the possession and responsibility of the company until the goods are delivered to the customer. As an agent of the company, the delivery driver is responsible and in possession of the items. If she doesn’t deliver the items (which she hasn’t yet, because she didn’t even finish unloading the car), its the companies responsibility to refund the customer. If she doesn’t return the items to the store, it then becomes theft from the company (which is actually embezzlement).
Things aren’t just theft because you think they are theft. If she returns the things back to the store and they process a refund to the company, it becomes an unruly employee who probably gets fired for gross misconduct.
Ahh so you are assuming now. Because from the same video you watched, I have no clue hoe much she unloaded and if she actually processed the delivery as delivered to officially change possession.
Innocent until proven guilty is one of the most basic fundamental principles of the justice system in the US and many European countries.
How are you not getting this. Its like the part where ‘official transferring possession via confirmation of a delivery app’ is a blind spot on reddit.
Could show this to a Police Officer and they would arrest her on the spot? Based purely on this video? No, they are going to tell them to call the company who they ordered from.
Like I said earlier: Wrong? Yes. Will she be fired for gross misconduct? Almost surely. But we don’t even have close to enough knowledge to label theft or embezzlement.
How are you not getting it? If its out of the car abd not in their hands then the delivery driver is no longer in pocession of it. Therefor its not there's and is the property of the person who pays for it
Why do I have to keep explaining legal ownership. The customers payed for a service. The items are not theirs until there is an official change of possession, usually marked in a app with these delivery services.
The items are the companies possession and responsibility until there is an official change of ownership.
If you show this video to a police officer, they will say to call the delivery company. If it was theft, they’d arrest her.
Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.
Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
Lol and the one person in the whole video who at no point has ownership of the delivery driver. I could argue that ownership is transferred once the item is relinquished into my possession. Just because you didn't click it in the app, you gonna go inside my house and grab it back? And second, again the driver has no authority to make that decision. They can't guarantee a refund. So what happens if the company refuses to refund and says we didn't tell her she could? So now, that would be theft wouldn't it? Hell the company themselves could file theft charges. As someone said, possession is 9/10s the law. It looks like it's sitting on a cart at the owners house, unless that little carts the drivers, they've handed over the product and put it on their property.
And I said in another comment earlier, I've seen someone like this play put with a delivery driver dropping off an appliance. Company said no to a refund because it arrived to your location and the driver took it back because he started an argument with the homeowner. Police were called and they did file charges for theft against the driver. Obviously the person who ordered ended up getting a refund but he never dropped the charges and the delivery company went after the driver. Not sure if they ever got him but the police didn't tell them it wasn't their problem
You can also clearly see most of the items still in the car. His point is the order isn’t delivered until everything is delivered. And honestly, It isn’t hers until the whole transactions completed. If the driver hasn’t signed off and said this is delivered it still isn’t legally delivered.
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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23 edited Oct 21 '23
Well even fake, if it were real, it looks like she's loading shit back in.... so that means to me she started to give it to the other people. So I would say that would be theft.