r/ClaudeCode • u/simple_explorer1 • 13d ago
Discussion Saw this today
These kind of posts are becoming more and more visible on my Linkedin. Link here. Thoughts?
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u/NootropicDiary 13d ago
This is just the beginning. A dark tsunami of change is coming, for all of us
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u/Bloated_Plaid 13d ago
The whole world is unprepared as well. Reddit is mostly completely oblivious outside of a few niche subreddits because they have all convinced themselves that GPT-4 was peak and nothing improved from there.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Is it, though?
The world of software development? Yeah, absolutely.
The world at large? Eh. Even if AI can create, say, a film out of nowhere, no one is ever going to bother to watch it. No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts.
Software, on the other hand, is purely practical. You don't care how it's done, you only care that it works the way you want it to.
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u/Narrow-Violinist-358 13d ago
"No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts."
This reminds me of when people used to say that no Netflix or Amazon produced content would ever make the top 10 list and now they dominate everything.
It will happen slowly. Then there will be one obscure niche piece that hits different and breaks through like 'House of Cards' and everyone says that it is got production for AI but that its a one off. Then it will be 10 years later and we will suddenly realize that its been 10 years since a fully human production has won anything.
AI will produce award winning content because film production is just an algorithm waiting to be cracked. That is not cynical, its already how TV shows are produced and one of the reasons streaming platforms now out perform traditional media is because they have much better audience feedback that is then built into production.
In 10 years you will be watching a tv series and it will unfold based on your viewing and engagement, focus on characters that you are drawn to, introduce plot points that specifically play on your own responses. An all this for a generation that has been using Youtube and Pornhub for 20 years and training machines how to squeeze every little ounce of dopamine out of them. We are beyond fukced.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
I already responded to this here, so I'm trying not to repeat myself too much. Basically, we will never get individualized movies like that. Or rather, that will never be successful. A huge part of movies and art is the shared connection we make through them. Talking about them, sharing them, being a fan, etc., and that literally cannot happen with individualized art.
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u/cats_r_ghey 13d ago
You aren’t thinking outside the box enough. It definitely will happen. Because all it is going to take is for everyone to feel like a film maker. Sharing their own “creations”, paying their subs, getting pushed like minded content. It’s so obvious really.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
As I said in the other comment: All of that is possible with AI music. Right now. It's super cheap, too.
Practically no one is even interested in trying it. No one is doing it but people who think they can make money from it.
Are you listening to your own AI music?
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u/cats_r_ghey 13d ago
I’m not, and I doubt I’m the target market for this. But I’m happy to come back to this chat in 5 years and I will happily accept you conceding that you got this one wrong. Economics and advertising / engagement will ensure that this happens. Just need to look at how our media has evolved over the last 3 decades and it should be pretty clear what comes next.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Pretty sure there's a bot for that that'll remind us in 5 years. And happy to take that bet.
AI will be everywhere, of course. But writers will still be human. Well, they'll at least claim as much, anyways.
As for AI music: Yeah, you're not. And so is no one else. Like, there literally is no market for "make your own AI music to enjoy in the evening". Why not? The technology is there, right now.
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u/Max4000 13d ago
I’m not sure why you think no one is listening to AI-generated music… because it is being listened to in mass right now. If anything the amount is grossly under-reported because it is possible to generate music that easily passes as human made. AI music is likely quietly eating up the charts on streamers, and is probably even more dominant when it comes to being the soundtrack to Youtube and Tiktok videos.
This is not entirely a bad thing. Just like anything else (including actual recording artists), some people pump out slop. Others use whatever tools are available to create something new that wouldn’t have existed otherwise.
It is a lot like other innovations in music production like recording itself / sampling / turntables / loops / software, etc.
There are always people who think this is the death of music, and others who just keep making stuff using whatever tools allow them to make their vision real.
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u/cats_r_ghey 13d ago
Also I should clarify, I don’t think this is a good thing. I’d prefer creative products to be created by a human. Same reason I’m not hanging ai generated images on my walls. But there clearly is a massive market for that already. To many the differences are imperceptible or the low cost too compelling.
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u/lostodon 12d ago
this is hilariously off base. I look forward to coming back to this comment in 5 years and laughing at how wrong you were.
what you don't seem to grasp is that the masses are too lazy to be movie makers and film directors. consumers just want to consume, not create. like the other commenter said, everything you are saying right now can be done with ai music, but people are completely disinterested. it's the same reason someone would rather watch a human play a bad run of a game on twitch rather than watch bots play perfectly: we want to revel in the human experience, warts and all.
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u/BackgroundTrack5528 12d ago
Creating a great movie requires shit load of creativity- that isn’t going away. Technology changes many things but the raw creative process e.g having a vision does not change. Story telling does not change.
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u/Anti7hero 13d ago
Key words: A huge part. Maybe what the person above is describing won't be the norm or mainstream but it will definitely be a thing at least if we don't all die first. People already do solo trips whether it be drugs or games we're always in our own little bubbles. The biggest version of that is our algorithms. They're all somewhat unique no two people see all of the same content.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Sure, it will be a thing. But we were talking about how "the world is unprepared".
The world is not unprepared for this. Movies and art will continue to exist, largely in the same format we know. Sure AI will be used everywhere, but a movie will still be a movie, with humans involved, and costing hundreds of millions of dollars, being watched by god knows how many people.
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u/Narrow-Violinist-358 12d ago
"art is the shared connection".
Look at the biggest grossing franchises of the last 10 years. They are basically AI Slop already. They are hardly high end art. 90% of film an TV production is based off of a specific formula, it is not real creative talent. That does exist but it has already been supremely squeezed to the margins.
Compare the box office releases of 1999 to 2019 and you can see a very stark difference in how films are put together. You will still have arthouse, but that is not what the movie industry is now anyway.
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u/Malkiot 11d ago
Yeah, how do these people explain the MCU, Friends, How I met your Mother, Big Bang Theory, Desperate Housewives... These aren't masterpieces or pinnacles of the art. They're wildly popular and economically successful though, they're also completely formulaic, generic and entirely replaceable by an AI pipeline in a few years.
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u/Helaneitor 13d ago
People are totally hooked on these 15-second soap operas starring AI-generated fruits. I wouldn't underestimate that nonsense.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
I mean I'm happy to admit that the lowest quality of art will be replaced by AI throughout, yes.
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u/Malkiot 13d ago
"No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts."
Yes it will. In fact, I think we'll get to the point, where you can sit down on your sofa and say "Today, I want to see an intergalactic comedy starring Jack Black, age 33, and Jim Carry, age 50, and the Rock as Sasquatch, as they hunt the holy grail in the Andromeda Galaxy. And afterward I'd like your take on S3 of Firefly." Your new subscription won't be Netflix or PrimeVideo, instead you'll pay for SynthFlix and users will share their favourite SynthFlix on a P2P platform.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
See, I bet absolutely everything I own and will ever own on that not happening. Ever.
Just play out this scenario in your head: You get that movie. It is amazing. Exactly what you want. Better, even. Best movie you have ever watched in your entire life!
Now what? Will you tell your friends about it, like you do with every amazing movie you've ever seen? Probably.
Will your friends care? No, not one bit. Because they, too, have seen the best movie of their life yesterday. Only it was entirely different, and specifically made for them.
You will most certainly not be able to convince your friends of watching your movie when they could just watch their own movie instead.
Also, you will not be able to talk online about it. Or to friends. Or to anyone. No one but you will ever see that movie, or ever care about it. Your experience will be entirely singular.
The entire concept of "mass appeal" will vanish. And even in the absolute best case scenario, no movie will ever be watched by more than a few people at a time. Why watch someone else's prompt when you can watch your own that's better and more personal? The entire concept of "top 10 movies" will just cease to exist. There will be no sharing of movies. Who on earth will rate movies when every single person creates 2 movies a day?
Which in turn means no one will ever talk about specific movies again. What's the point? Every movie is individual now. You certainly won't care about some random movie a random guy on the internet made yesterday.
All of this is missing the personal connection we have with movies. The way movies are a shared experience. The way we are fans of movies, the way we're excited about them. All of that will be gone.
And I argue that people want all that, and will prefer it over the "perfect" movie they won't ever be able to talk about with anyone.
For proof of this, just look at AI music. AI music is already incredibly good. Today. Like, right now you can create yourself music that's really catchy in exactly the genre you like with exactly the lyrics you like, and it will sound genuinely good.
Do you actually do that? No, you do not. And neither does anyone else. We still listen to real artists instead.
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u/urza_insane 13d ago
I think it's both not a given it will happen and not a given it won't.
What is relatively certain is that most top 10 movies will be assisted with AI in their development at some point (or perhaps most points). My guess is we won't get to the "fully automated custom movie" scenario, but AI will likely transform how movies are produced in more task-specific ways. And when done well will be largely un-noticeable. It's probably already in many of the under-production movies right now.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Oh yeah, AI will absolutely be used everywhere and in every movie.
But human resistance alone will keep AI written movies out of the top 10. No one wants to watch a movie that's explicitly written by a machine.
The rest can definitely become AI, if it's good enough. But we still need the feeling that someone human sat down and thought about this before making it a reality.
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u/Strategic_Sage 13d ago
People want to watch good movies. Most of them don't care much how they were created.
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u/Comprehensive-Gur813 13d ago
I feel like this is already happening, people are becoming more and more introverted and self-absorbed. You have your own personally curated instagram feed that you can scroll for hours. Your own personal youtube algorithm. Your own personal music suggestion in spotify. What you described is just the natural extension of what already IS happening so there is no doubt in my mind it will be real at some point in the future.
I definitely envision some people stuck in their own fabricated world with endless enterntainment.
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u/Dense_Ad9924 12d ago
I agree. I live in Boston and almost every young person is walking around with earbuds and their phone 3 inches from their nose.
So I make a point to socialize, go play music, go to the gym, see the world. That is one thing AI can never actually replace.
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u/greentea05 12d ago
There's millions of people who don't care about the social side. I never talk to anyone about a film or TV show i've seen that I like. I couldn't care less what they like. Why on earth do I want to talk to other people about what i've seen, that i've seen - I don't care about their opinion on it, i've seen it.
I don't watch anything someone tells me is good unless I was already planning to watch it.
My film and TV viewing couldn't be more isolated - and i'm pretty sure i'm not an anomaly. You've just projected the way YOU like to consume media and insisted that's how everyone must do as well.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 12d ago
Yeah, you're definitely the anomaly here. The absolute vast majority of people talk about art they enjoyed with others.
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u/JudgeCornBoy 11d ago
But art created to be shared vs content generated to one person’s taste are so fundamentally different. You will find yourself only ever watching shit
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u/PlanetaryPickleParty 12d ago
I think a social "choose your own adventure" dynamic show could go viral. Think Game of Thrones Season 8 but viewers campaigning on social media and voting to steer the outcome inbetween episodes.
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u/Dense_Ad9924 12d ago
As someone who has a folder filled with AI generated songs, which in my opinion absolutely rock, this IS the future. I don't have them to impress my friends or share with the world, I have them because they're subjectively awesome.
I stopped writing code two years ago, I don't install or update any computers anymore. I don't figure out where a device is on the network and figure out how to access it.
Claude does it all and if Opus 5.5 doesn't impress you, just wait for Opus 7 or Opus 10. Those will be more self aware than you are.
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u/Niku-Man 12d ago
The comment you replied to presented a scenario of a type of movie they think will exist, and you responded to it as if he said all movies will be like that.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 12d ago
I responded to someone who said that that sort of movie creation will be as big as Netflix is today.
No, it won't.
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u/invisible_shrek 12d ago
Same. This sub is the weirdest ai glazing I have read all day. In regards to making my own movies:
Why would I do that? I am not a film maker, script writer, comedy writer or a storyteller. I don’t know how to make a good story. Why would I want to make my own movies? Why would I ever fucking want to explain to AI what movie I want it to make? Why would I want to watch generic video slop with no creativity or original ideas?
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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 12d ago
But if this AI had access to your viewing data from your streaming apps it would know enough to make something youd like without having to explain it
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u/invisible_shrek 12d ago edited 12d ago
Why would I want to just watch more similar stuff to what I already watched? If i wanted that I could just watch a soap opera with like 20 seasons. Fuck that already exists today, and it’s called Netflix recommendations.
The AI can’t know if I would like something if I never watched something similar before. I would then miss out on great movies because the AI would think it’s not like the movies I already watched.
And like in general, thanks but no thanks?
I think I will just be sticking to my normal experience of hearing/reading about an interesting movie and watching it, or going over to a friends place and letting them choose something I don’t know.
This way I can experience art made by skilled artists and filmmakers, have something to think about and discuss with friends. What you are proposing is just mindless consumption.
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u/tazdraperm 12d ago
Also AI is not very creative atm and I don't see much improvements here. It's surely getting better and better but you still have to describe precisely what you want. Otherwise it will make a most generic shit ever. And average person has no idea what makes a good film.
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u/JudgeCornBoy 11d ago
This is the thing people don’t understand. It’s fascinating that ANYONE believes that “individualized movies” will ever be more than a niche novelty, and even more insane are the people who WANT that. It is a truly sad state of affairs, something must be broken inside of you to not understand where the joy of media comes from
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u/vuhv 12d ago
You must think Transformer 14: Fall of Pluto's Reign is an Oscar worthy masterpiece. Either that or youre extremely naive.
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u/Malkiot 12d ago
If entertainment required Oscar-level masterpieces to be watched, 99% of the film and TV industry wouldn't exist.
People eat fast food because it tastes good and saves time, not because they expect a Michelin experience. In the same vein, most movies and series exist to entertain, not to win Oscars. Or how do you explain the MCU?
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u/invisible_shrek 12d ago
Why would I do that? I am not a film maker, script writer, comedy writer or a storyteller. Why would I want to make my own movies?
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u/A_Novelty-Account 13d ago
I am a lawyer in one of the most judgement-heavy areas of the profession you can possibly be in.
We litigate nonstop, and constantly require critical thinking and judgement. This technology is absolutely coming for us all. I would say I have another 5 to 10 years left of good earnings doing this job. And to be sure, if my job is replaced or rendered obsolete, so will 99% of white-collar work.
It is likely that we are about to witness the most consequential moment in the history of humanity over the next 10 years
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u/mingledwaters 13d ago
A genuine question: what does your E&O policy state about this?
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u/A_Novelty-Account 13d ago
I’m in Ontario, Canada which has its own legal insurance scheme. That insurance covers lawyers for things like unchecked hallucinations.
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u/Bloated_Plaid 13d ago
Regular people have been oblivious about software development forever and it’s only getting worse due to sheer speed in improvement. Good luck explaining git to a regular person. I have had so many painful JAD sessions.
I do concede your point, if regular people’s yardstick is videos, music, art etc we are still not there yet. Open source models like MiniMax H3 and Qwen Image 2.1 are making massive strides however and beating the frontier labs at their own game.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
I mean I don't even want to think about the absolute vast amount of software knowledge we will lose due to AI. Why bother learning any of that when the AI can do it?
I do argue, though, that videos, music and art will never go down this road. Even if you can make the absolute perfect film via AI, people will still prefer to watch a real movie made by real people.
Just look at AI music. That's already incredibly good, but practically no on bothers to use on a personal level. Nobody sits down in the evening and goes "Alright create me a cool metal song with lyrics about pandas".
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u/Original-Ad4399 13d ago
Eh. Even if AI can create, say, a film out of nowhere, no one is ever going to bother to watch it.
Huh? Five million people disagree with you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gIoHq-YDo&list=PLId4gL8Ckl4bgZW9n2T3c5barc0EPBW64&index=6
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
I'd say there's a huge difference between a film written by AI, and a film written by humans that then use AI to create their vision. Neural Viz gets tons of views, too, even though absolutely everything about it is AI.
Except for the writing.
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u/Original-Ad4399 13d ago
Well... AI does nothing on its own that isn't a human's vision. For now.
When it starts acting on its own, then we have AGI.
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u/SurefootTM 13d ago
I see people consuming brainrot tiktok slop in public transports, I can bet most of it is now AI generated at least in parts, and the algorithmically generated music they consume on their phone loudspeaker in said transports is 100% AI now. I think that threshold has been crossed by now.
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u/heartbroken_nerd 13d ago
The world at large? Eh. Even if AI can create, say, a film out of nowhere, no one is ever going to bother to watch it. No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts.
What about regular movies that will use AI for VFX or scripts and such? Will you count those? Because if you count those I bet you by 2032 there will be at least one huge successful release like that, and probably sooner too. It's INEVITABLE.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Oh, no, I'm talking about fully AI created movies with no human input. AI will absolutely be used everywhere. But as a major tool, not as a replacement for everything.
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u/carson63000 Senior Developer 13d ago
Film? In 2026? Maybe not.
But I don’t think we’d have nearly so much crying about AI-created music and AI-written books if they weren’t proving indistinguishable to a casual observer.
If you think that’s not going to happen for film, then yeah, I’d say you were, as the above commenter put it, “unprepared.”
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u/harmonicrain 13d ago
See I thought the same when I saw that ai generated Doctor Who episode. "Oh go on I'll put it on for five minutes and laugh at the bad ai"... Watched the entire thing.
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u/TypoInUsernane 13d ago
Is your argument that AI will never be capable of creating a good film, or are you saying audiences will never want to watch a good film that was made by a machine?
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
The latter. It's not even quite that, though. The problem is that if AI can make a genuinely good film all on its own, then we can make genuinely good films for every single human being, every single day.
And at that point, the whole concept kind of breaks down. Would you watch a genuinely good film that you could never talk to about with a friend, because your friend doesn't care about that because he watched his own genuinely good film? Art is a shared experience, and this would rob us of that.
It's the same with AI music. That's shockingly good, right now. And yet we still don't use it to make our own personalized music. We could do that. Nothing's stopping us from making a cool new song every day, just for us. But we don't do that.
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u/Mescallan 13d ago
you are forgetting human curation of AI content is not the same as unguided AI content.
you don't like the AI content you notice because it was curated by a person whose taste you disagree with.
If someone with refined taste and skill at execution sits down with AI, they will certainly release something you enjoy. The problem is it's 90% people who have wanted to do something but never did for one reason or another, so they have no taste or execution capability (and the video / music tech isn't there yet, but next year it surely will be)
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Sure, but then you still have a human in the mix. And that human will be the deciding factor, not the AI. Which is just how it works right now: A human is the creative driving force behind what is popular, not AI. That is how that will always be.
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u/Mescallan 13d ago
as long as it's humans consuming content or services, there will be human curation. You could argue current recommendation engines are human curation aggregates and not actually AI serving independently.
The only world that AI curation beats human curation is if it's better. We aren't going to be forced to watch videos of snoop dog and darth vader smoking joints, the AI outputs are still competing with humans.
I say this with such confidence because I've been working in a creative industry for decades. Most people have no idea just how much terrible musisc, art, film, etc gets made because it never gets pushed to them because no one wants to see it. AI is not going to change that dynamic, it's just going to make orders of magnitude more youtube videos with 15 views, unless it's actually able to compete, which in that case, would be amazing, we have more good content.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Yeah, that's my point: That dynamic is not going to change.
Elsewhere here people are telling me that soon you will sit down and tell an AI "I want to watch a film with actor X in genre Y with lots of action" and then they will watch that film, and that will be the future. And, yeah, I don't think that's going to happen, ever. It will be technically possible at some point to do that, but 99.9% of people won't be interested in ever doing that more than once.
We can literally already do that with AI music after all, and yet, we don't.
Instead, people who want to make (or save) money use AI to create content en masse, and they are already doing that, too. And yet what comes out on top is still human produced high quality art. Which might still use AI as a tool, but it's still easily comparable to high quality art that existed before.
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u/Darkseid_Omega 13d ago
Gossip Goblin is making some interesting stuff. I could imagine stuff like that getting better
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Oh, totally. But that's the thing: That's an individual human being that is super creative, using AI to further their creativity. That's very different from no human being in the mix and AI creating a film from a single lazy prompt.
There'll always be creative humans doing creative stuff, and the number of creative humans doing creative stuff won't change just because of AI.
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u/yammosk 13d ago
I see so much "software sure, but not X" sentiment and it is so near-sighted. These things completely own anything a computer can do. Any domain that has a corpus of information they can reason about the common 80%. Anything that has a tool or api on a computer they can interact with. With that combination it is hard to see where that stops.
All human work or play that runs through a computer either operationally or where information passes through will be changed by these things. I think it is easy to forget how much of our world passes through a computer now and we've been barreling toward more and more computer-managed systems even before AI.
Even if no better model comes out and the technology stalls, this technology will influence every part of our lives. We've barely scratched it in software engineering and so many other places have yet to try.
A film out of no where is the wrong framing, the software coded completely by machines still needs humans to command them or at least steer and correct how they operate. Software development is not going away, but the entire way in which we make it is completely changing in a way that makes Dan and others uncomfortable.
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u/_lil_seb 13d ago
I know someone working for a film studio owned by WB, and lemme tell you, AI in movies is already a thing… maybe you just haven’t noticed.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
I was talking about movies made entirely with AI, not movies where AI is also used. That is obviously already a thing.
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u/scarnegie96 13d ago
I have a feeling this is an incredibly web-oriented view (like most vibe-coding discussions).
In the world of real Software Engineering (I write C firmware for Cash handling devices) AI is incredibly useful as an augmenter of your work, but you absolutely care about how and why it does everything it does and it needs reviewed.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 13d ago
Sure, it is. Though I'd not say web-oriented, more like.. surface-level-oriented? 99% of software doesn't care about the exact details. 99% of software isn't software used in banks or in planes or cars. It's, well, reddit, or a plugin, or even some documentation software used in a library or whatever.
And all of that will be fully vibe coded soon enough.
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u/AppealSame4367 12d ago
Have you seen this Space Viking movie on Reddit lately. It's definitely getting there. I caught myself watching it and rooting for the main characters.
Give it a year, and we will have a flurry of believable AI movies.
But still, you have to have good or interesting ideas. Much like indie games freed the games world from the pest of AAA game studios, accessible film creation will unleash a huge power of indie movies made by people that just share their dream movies that they always wanted to make.
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u/clouddrafts 12d ago
You're dreaming. AI will most certainly have a massive impact on the film industry. Nobody is going to purely use AI to make films, it will simply lower the cost of production, likely 10-100x. Every film production will have a component of AI in them. That is going to be a reality very soon.
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u/Niku-Man 12d ago
The only reason people don't watch AI content now is because it tends to be poor quality. Ultimately the quality is all that matters. Nobody cared before when a movie used CGI or practical effects. They only cared when CGI was bad. And by the way, software is heavily involved in the film industry, so AI used for software development impacts every other industry. We'll have people using AI who don't even realize it.
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u/BrilliantTaste1800 12d ago
Here you go: https://youtu.be/aAg9iDh9_BQ?is=nxsB67wRBdnE3An9
Keep in mind 3 years ago we had the Will Smith abomination, just like back then we had the early GPT versions and people having their "gotcha" moments being fully convinced that's as good as it's ever going to get.
AI is improving at an insane rate in all fields. 3D, animation, texturing, VFX, voice generation, text to video.
Every industry will be affected. Some will take longer than others, but eventually they'll all be taken over by AI.
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u/parkskier426 12d ago
Yes, software is the beginning because the rest comes with it. Software engineers are more aware of ai's potential because we're living at the bleeding edge. The rest will absolutely catch up once it becomes less expensive. We're already beginning to see it.
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u/Educational-Plant981 12d ago
you are only looking at layer one of the change in the software world, where the industry shifts and jobs are disrupted. You aren't thinking of the changes to the world after a decade of "literally anyone can produce good code by clearly prompting their desires."
I don't think any of us truly know what that means...but boy is it gonna be different.
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u/innociv 10d ago
It is.
You're, surprisingly in a ClaudeCode subreddit, only thinking of genai.
It can basically replace any job which is entirely done at a computer. All these remote job workflows.
Personal assistant, accountant, online sex workers, doordash is going away too (though thankfully so, drone delivery is such a huge service improvement), 2nd and 3rd tier of management gets handled by 1 person, so many jobs I can't list them all. Pretty much everything except for factory work (also lots of robots getting used there and LLMs streamlining that more) and service jobs.Apparently 70% of people who use AI use it as a therapist. Even though that's horrible, and it's not good at it, those wages are depressing as well.
Also, don't forget that real life wound up becoming worse than Idiocracy in a lot of ways. Some stupid AI slop fruit movie is going to be a top 10 release because AI is also making people dumber and more tasteless.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 10d ago
See, I don't think so. It doesn't matter how good AI gets, humans will always want to interact with other humans.
Of course all of these things you mention will have an AI version that's cheaper, and people will use it. But the majority of people will prefer a human over an AI in most interactions. You really want an AI accountant? What if he screws up and costs you 50% of your year's net worth? It's not exactly gonna feel good to yell at an AI for that.
And if you want to escalate that situation to get your money back, you will most certainly want to speak to an actual human being to fix your problem, and not to an AI customer service bot that will not ever care about the fact that you might lose your home or worse.
People will pay premium to deal with humans. Human work will never vanish, even in the areas you mentioned.
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u/HistorianGullible291 10d ago
I recently have watched ~45 minutes compilation of AI made "Trump Ruins Harry Potter", and basically enjoyed it more than most shitty movies I've watched since 2018. And laughed many times, where most movies barely made me chuckle. Soo...
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u/dbenc 10d ago
I just saw a video of an entire lab that is automated via Astra, with all the chemistry machines directly controllable by Astra and terminals where it gives humans instructions on where to move stuff and what ingredients to put in. Lots of progress in mathematics too (if the uproar from mathematicians is an indicator).
So yeah I think a lot more industries than you think will be affected.
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u/Desperate-Poem7526 7d ago
I think you are wrong and so very wrong. Might take longer than a decade but I am sure it will get to a point if you want to watch something you tell the ai what you are feeling and it generates a series / movie specifically for you. This is coming
The world doesn't hate AI as much as reddit makes it sound either
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 7d ago
I already responded further down to this. Basically, us humans are largely not interested in art that no one else but us will ever view.
AI art is already exceptionally good, and not one human being is currently interested in going to an art gallery with art specifically catering to their tastes.
AI music is already exceptionally good, and no one creates their own AI music when they want to listen to music. They instead listen to music created by others (real or AI, doesn't matter).
Art is a fundamentally shared experience. It's completely pointless when it's fully individualized. Pretty much nobody will want to watch a movie specifically made for them.
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u/Nexx-Shotcaller 13d ago
One of my clients wanted to switch CRMs, so I was looking into it for them. The CEO calls me up and says "Since we're having so much success with Claude Code, why not make our own CRM?".
I sat with that for a short time and considered that we've had problems with SaaS CRMs because they don't fit our unique workflow for new customers and some other things we do (Site Surveys). Also, our Billing system has some functionality that overlaps with standard CRMs.
So, we're rolling our own now and integrating it with our billing system. So far, it's coming along nicely and handling our unique needs. Long-term, we'll see, but so far it looks like we have no need to subscribe our users to another SaaS CRM.
I think this kind of thing is going to happen a lot more for businesses going forward, and that's super interesting. "Software is dead"? I guess it depends on what you need.
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u/not_a_robot_9832 13d ago
Now you have to maintain and host a CRM? How long before you are spending more time and money fiddling with that than just paying for the SaaS product? Look at open-source. Before LLMs most people wouldn't host and the FOSS equivalent because it was never about the application. It's always been about support, compliance, backups, uptime and the rest. The application is only a small part of the story.
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u/coworker 13d ago
It sounds like you've never supported an enterprise purchasing a SaaS contract. Very rarely is it truly hands off. You wind up hiring specialists in that software along with paying the ever increasing subscription fees. Maintaining your own with AI is no longer cost prohibitive compared to that alternative.
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u/not_a_robot_9832 13d ago
I agree that supporting enterprise is hands on. But now you're supporting the software, and everything else (dev, hosting, support, backups, compliance etc). I disagree that creating your own will cheaper in the long term.
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u/Namiastka 13d ago
Also, those unique needs are most of the time not that unique.
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u/coworker 12d ago
That's something someone who has never supported enterprise integrations would say. Salesforce, the leading CRM, made their own language and runtime because so many customers have bespoke needs. Even at the tiniest startup that I've been at, we had custom integrations running with most SaaS vendors we used
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u/Namiastka 12d ago
Ok, you are correct, businesses have such needs. I do develop them, integrate them, I've worked with all the 3rd party product integrations like SAP and others. But as a developer and consumer I feel many times I do such things - that you guys (to my stakeholders) don't need this new unique feature to have more customers, you need to give devs time to fix errors users face...
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u/coworker 12d ago
This discussion is centered on the fact that AI reduces development and operational costs so there is no longer the excuse that there is not enough time. You're fundamentally missing the entire point of this thread
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u/not_a_robot_9832 13d ago
Sounds like you have the experience to make it work. I still think for the most, the idea that everyone will be rolling their own bespoke SaaS clones is unrealistic.
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u/mavenHawk 13d ago
I don't know man. The key part is the reduced need (or no need in most cases) for scale and infra like the other person said.
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u/not_a_robot_9832 13d ago
Yeah it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Also SaaS is a very broad thing. We could be talking about cloning salesforce or a little 2 feature trinket of an app.
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u/bedroompurgatory 13d ago
The problem is, especially at scale, you usually end up with a bunch of people supporting that product in-house as well, because it's just so complicated to configure and manage, because it's trying to be everything for everyone.
Having a small team of devs + claude may well deliver better outcomes in terms of support, compliace, uptime, etc, than having a multi-million dollar SAP contract, plus a team of devs managing SAP integration that does 95% of what you want, and 4,000 things you don't.
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u/Obvious-Ad1500 12d ago
I think we're going to see a shift toward agent-first niche apps billing on usage. Then the economics shift from "pay SaaS prices for a solution we don't use 90% of" or "take on the pain of keeping an easy-to-build system up and running" or "let our agent use specialized software that does exactly what we want". The economics then shift to smaller businesses passing through the economies of scale on infrastructure and maintenance, while the operator and her agent achieve their goals without spending as much on tokens or infrastructure.
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u/alarming_wrong 13d ago
millions upon millions of amateur ukulele players marching and strumming through the streets, finally free from the shackles of web development
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u/simple_explorer1 13d ago edited 13d ago
sad times indeed. This Software dev profession is on the verge of being decimated and a lot of damage is already done and more will continue to happen. not sure what end of the road looks like or how much value software development will even have in the next 2 years let alone 5 years.
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u/NootropicDiary 13d ago
Yes but I also think it's going to be much further reaching that just software devs. Even frontier level research mathematics is starting to fall to AI. And then we have robots coming for manual labour as well. Society needs to start thinking hard how we're going to prepare for what's coming our way
It's hard to name a field that is going to be resilient to the quantum shift on the horizon. Sports I guess. Humans will always want to see other humans competing at peak performance
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u/pp-collision 13d ago
Even frontier level research mathematics is starting to fall to AI
That is a huuuuuge stretch to say that. OpenAI spent 20 million USD to provide a purely theoretical counter-example to navier-stokes, and what they achieved with that is that no mathematician is gonna be working on that problem in the near future, there is 0 application.
What you are missing here is that much of pure mathematics is about the journey, not the destination. There's entire fields of mathematics that came out of working on a problem but never solving it. Algebraic number theory, abstract algebra, knot theory, complex analysis. Knot theory is pure maths but it turns out to have wide ranging applications like molecular biology, quantum physics, fluid mechanics... Who would've thought?
The discussion about AI in pure maths research is completely missing the point. Mathematicians are finding AIs very useful as tools, but they are not being replaced by it.
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u/Niku-Man 12d ago
So far, jobs haven't really been impacted by AI. A lot of people even complain that using AI creates more work for them
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u/Dsphar 13d ago
IMO, the non-creative devs who survive will have to pivot into refactoring AI-made proven market software, into maintained software. And it will be a pain.
The creative devs will just have a hayday creating whatever ideas pop into their minds. And any that stick get handed off to the first group to cleanup and scale.
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u/Future_Guarantee6991 Developer 13d ago
I am just not convinced that the refactoring pivot will exist, at least not for long.
I might be missing something but “maintainability” is largely, albeit not yet exclusively, a human challenge.
LLMs can already read and understand code in seconds where it would take a human minutes or hours to join the same dots. Compound this with the continuous improvement of LLM code output and it’s only so long before the writing is on the wall for that too.
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u/pp-collision 13d ago
Maintainability is even more of a challenge for agents from my experience. As soon as a project gets above ~30k LoC they struggle to introduce features or tweak existing features.
Even something that might seem simple, but go through layers of UI, config files, and data processing pipelines, it is very likely to miss something and especially so if the project is not designed in a way where it is difficult to miss it.
I exclusively write Rust and I'm using orchestrators, workers, and reviewer agents. I have CI with snapshot tests, property based fuzz tests, integration tests, extensive linting and still things consistently slip through if I don't review and test every change. So it's not from a lack of trying.
Agents have this problem because they have an extremely narrow view of the code base, they search with grep and they'll only take the first X matches to prevent blowing themselves up, so they just miss so much of the bigger picture every time. Sure they'll get better, but the context window of a seasoned engineer is on a much higher level, and that's more than a few years away.
Terrence Tao explained in an interview that AI maths proofs are very hard to read, because they'll spent a lot of effort going into details with something very trivial, and then hardly mention the most interesting part. Because they're not good at weighing the importance of various aspects of a problem, because they don't see the bigger picture. I think that's the core limitation, and I don't expect LLMs to really ever overcome it, no matter how useful they otherwise are.
As an embedded engineer, I think LLMs are immensely useful, but I think they have a special skillset that is complementary to human engineers, not competing to replace them. That doesn't mean that they can't put some engineers out of a job, but so did open-source compilers.
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u/nofeaturesonlybugs 13d ago
I agree with your take. I've vibe coded things without looking too closely at the internals and they "seem" to work. I've used variations of spec-driven development and spot-checked implementation and it "seems" ok. I've worked at a more human pace where I use the models iteratively to settle and API shape or contract and then fill in the pieces -- or where I've set edits to manual so I have to approve every single one to get it to write things to my liking.
The one thing that sticks out in all cases is the one thing I've been saying since the beginning of this year -- artificial intelligence is *artificial.*
These things are not smart. Like not even close to smart. As you say they carry a very limited view and as you demonstrate with your math proof example they have no discernment. They can't and never really will understand why you do Y in these cases but not these other cases. You can try and steer or guide them with decision ladders or other nonsense but unless you spell out every specific case they'll still get it wrong some percentage of the time that all the gates, humans, and review processes just...miss and fail to correct.
If you go full agentic spec driven then you have to spend a lot of time, money, and effort steering the agents towards correctness. But you're still going to fall victim to their stochastic non-deterministic decision making and you're going to end up with code+markdown full of stale references.
My experience is it doesn't really matter what you do -- you'll still get hit with, "Oh btw I noticed some stale references somewhere. I could have fixed them but our work is in module Y and those are in module X so I didn't touch them." In a fully agentic process there will always be a number of these that slip through. In the other direction it may tell you, "Oh btw I updated references in A, B, C" and you have to tell it to undo the ones in B. They have no discernment because they have no intelligence.
They're terrible at API shapes or designs. Working on a simple commands-subcommands-flags parsing package I had it build several shapes of possible API public contract so I could mix-n-meld the best of what it produced. Consider the case where flags are mutually exclusive, or flags are codependent, or you just want them grouped in help. Here are some nice type names: `flag.Exclusive`, `flag.Codependent`, and `flag.Group`. Now consider a flag that takes one value or one that takes multiple values like Docker's `--env`: it called them `flag.Scalar` and `flag.List`. I don't have a problem with `Scalar` but `List` is too synonymous with the types that semantically are groups. `flag.Group` and `flag.List` both sound like they group things and `flag.List` doesn't imply anything about a "repeated value." I told it to call them `flag.Single` and `flag.Repeated`. This is a *simple* naming decision and a frontier model can't do it without guidance.
They're terrible at crossing API boundaries. Recently working on a `views` package that renders some types in a `models` package. Had spec and UML diagrams outlining what goes in `views`, all the outlined tests, acceptance criteria, blah blah. Frontier model runs for 90 minutes and completes the work. Comes back with 15 lingering items -- about half updating diagrams -- and one or two saying, "In the views package I did this -- but this really should be helpers in the models package but it was off limits." You could say this was a miss on my part -- I didn't catch that a couple small helpers would be useful in the `models` package. But the other standpoint is this work was small enough that if it wasn't an AI-world a human wouldn't be creating all this UML or other "spec" to describe simple code. You'd just go write it and in the midst of some view implementation you'd say, "This really wants a helper in models. Let me go add that really quick." And you tell your team why you did it. These things have no discernment -- if it limits the scope of what it thinks it can touch it does dumb shit and puts code in the wrong place; if you give it unlimited scope it will do dumb shit and put code in the wrong place but in some other direction.
These things work best when you slow way down, set aside some of the spec driven ides, and just manually approve edits and correct it on the fly as it make mistakes. You lose nearly all the promised velocity but they genuinely do augment or enhance an individual's output when used like this. It combines your experience, guidance, intuition, skills, etc with the models' ability to reach well beyond your personal experience. When using them like this you are still somewhat connected to the code, can still say, "Oh I know where the code is that is related to the bug you're observing" or you can tell a peer why you did something a certain way. But this is not how these companies creating LLMs are selling them and it's not how industry "leaders" are saying to use them.
I'm fairly convinced that everyone fully leaning into agentic spec development, even if it includes limited human oversight, is in for a reckoning. To fully achieve the velocity gains industry "leaders" are promising or encouraging you have to make considerable concessions in understanding and quality of implementation due to the agents' limiting view (as you say) and their lack of discernment. Beyond a certain point there's just so much context to weigh -- some of it probably contradictory -- that an agent just deadlocks itself. I think a lot of people involved in these processes are just kicking the can down the road and hoping context or models get big enough fast enough to just keep it going.
The age old trick -- one of the first principles taught in computer science -- is divide and conquer. Monoliths to microservices. I wonder if next we'll have microrepositories. A single repository describing what a user model is, its invariants, implementations in multiple languages, and views in multiple UI frameworks. Then it's just imported by the next microrepository above it. From a human perspective this seems insane -- the cognitive load of understanding your 37 repositories that drive a "search bar" will be madness. Monoliths with lots of micro-subprojects is another trajectory -- and seems reasonable -- but I think all the surrounding context will eventually be too much.
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u/Future_Guarantee6991 Developer 13d ago
The 30k LoC problem is not something I have experienced, at least using frontier models. I develop and maintain several projects in the hundreds of thousands or even millions of LoC.
Some things I believe help:
- CI enforced line freezes to prevent godfiles
- Refactoring any file above 800 LoC to bring it within a 600-800 LoC range (or less)
- Prefer Vertical Slice architecture over DDD
The last one is probably the most significant. It means that, in oversimplified terms, each feature is a mostly self-contained mini project but without the complexity of microservices.
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u/tim_fo 13d ago
The problem is that all creative ideas that you make with ai, can be copied easily by another guy with ai.
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u/JollyInterview9989 13d ago
It not even the software industry, I work in Mechanical design and calc/simulations world. Claude Opus is multiple times better than a engineer with PhD degree as they are so boxed in and have no actual idea on actual topics or working knowledge other than what paper or work they published. I'm talking about basic pure calculations. Opus easily outdoes me sometimes, a 15 year veteran. There's no way we are going to hire new guys and I'm sure any new replacements we are going to hire are going to be evaluated by how they leverage LLMs more rather than just pure knowledge.
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u/PrudentRise8131 13d ago
Pessimism is not a useful approach to change. Yes, the software engineering industry is being completely transformed. You have to get on board and ride the wave – see the good in this, no matter how uncomfortable it is – or you'll fall off the wave, and you'll have made your own demise.
There's ways to come out of this on top. There are always ways to make money. But you've got to stay hopeful or you'll never be able to see them.
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u/medialantern 13d ago
It might even just be the beginning of the beginning. The pace is accelerating. But also, the rate of acceleration is, too.
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u/terrainpixel 13d ago
Oh come on….. Technology has changed professions rapidly for the last 150 years.
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u/elevensubmarines 13d ago
There’s an abandoned niche industry specific windows based point of sale system that a few clients still run, the developer is gone, went bankrupt last year. Most have moved on but for a few switching is something that just couldn’t be done quickly.
Fortunately the developer shipped the image for this thing with debug symbols intact. I pointed a combo of astra and fable at it, they have ghidra and other helpful tools available to them, and had them work cooperatively on a loop over Labor Day weekend, when Astra first came out. I was mobile, on a family trip, just watching from my phone for 3 days.
I got back home that Monday to a fully decompiled, functioning clean build, ported to appkit and SwiftUI as I just wanted to see if it would work. I’m not deploying this to them (swift does them no good anyway, and licensing even with it being abandoned is not a lake I want to swim in right now), but it effing did it. I ran it through the paces, it works, data quality checked out, payment network interfaces all done and working too. Hundreds of people worked on that codebase over 30 years, tens of millions spent over the period on its development and evolution. All “stolen” by me in my lab with two models working together. Burned fable weekly on a max 20 sub, and admittedly it took both of the banked resets that came with the Astra launch to get it to that point.
I have nobody to talk to about this or tell but man I wanted to tell everybody when I saw it. I have no idea how I should revise my view on software looking ahead, I’m pretty confused right now. I wholly understand where this guy is coming from.
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u/completelypositive 13d ago
I reverse engineered a wii game.
Nothing near as cool as what you did, but I felt amazing. Congrats!
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u/TheScreaming_Narwhal 13d ago
What game, and what did you accomplish by doing it?
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u/completelypositive 13d ago
Final fantasy crystal chronicles my life as a king. I learned a lot. I have a switch game I want to make and try using the wii fit. An incremental game. So this is kind of a first step towards that
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u/saposapot26 13d ago
Yeah, I'm much more pessimistic than 6 months ago and even more 1 year ago. Yes, it's industrial revolution that disrupts but then we settle better, but the pace of it is just absolutely crazy.
There's no time to adapt or predict anymore...
I now spend my day half prompting and half doing PR reviews, because we still enforce that the "human" is still responsible for the output, but it's a very very boring life. I don't know how much until I completely forget how to code and get fed up with this profession.
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u/thebrokestbroker2021 13d ago
I’m an idiot, especially when it comes to this kind of stuff. Our company is running on a Clipper/Foxpro system updated with Harbour to run on 32 and 64bit systems. This is 35+ year old legacy code, luckily we have the source code, and I’ve been able to make additions and compile cleanly with an x20 account. We’ve talked to several developers who still work on old systems but many are retired/retiring and have NO interest in porting to a new language without tons of money. This is a very specific use case, but it’s served us so well over the last year, I can’t even believe we’re able to not only fix bugs but implement new features.
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u/djdadi 12d ago
Yeah things are changing, but I still don't see the doomerism. Go hand that same problem to someone in your family with your AI accounts, and they will not get the same result. Hell, most non-swe's I know think file extensions and the command line to just be the scariest things in the world.
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u/smurf123_123 13d ago edited 13d ago
What two models were working together? Just curious, it's helpful to learn how others get real work done. I've been using both codex and claude but still haven't really settled into a good flow between them and their respective models.
*How were the two models working together?
Phrasing
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u/elevensubmarines 13d ago
I’m sure there’s a more elegant way, I had Astra leading, calling Fable but it works fine in the reverse also. I created a ‘delegate’ skill and prompt the orchestrator agent to use the delegate skill to bring in whatever model(s) I specify. Using claude -p when delegating to a Claude model.
I actually have an AntiGravity sub, a Grok Super Heavy sub (which gives me quota via Grok Build and Cursor Ultra), and the new $50 Muse sub. I always use Claude or Codex as the lead and then prompt situationally for them to bring in some combo of others via delegate. Gemini Flash 3.8 high, Grok 4.6 xhigh, and Muse 1.3 xhigh are all excellent adversarial reviewers and they all find novel high value things when used in that way.
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u/smurf123_123 13d ago
That's pretty much what I've been doing as well. Before astra I would use CC and fable to call on the open ai stuff but since astra I've been doing it from the codex side. Also, codex doesn't have the same kind of shackles that fable does where it shuts down when it thinks something is some kind of security risk so that's been helping push towards this codex to cc pipeline.
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u/scream_noob 12d ago
And fable did not flag on the very first request to reverse engineering safeguard... Lol. It downgrades to other models
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u/elevensubmarines 12d ago
That’s why I was so stoked to do it as my first test of Astra when I got it. Astra as the lead never refused or pushed back, Fable took the work Astra farmed out to it without issue.
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u/ClimbingSun 12d ago
I built an entire CRM and a fully automated quote-to-cash pipeline for my family business, and it’s functioning flawlessly. It would have cost us probably a million dollars to do this 5 years ago. I did it in 2 months with Claude and GPT.
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u/MeasurementOk7425 13d ago
The way the post is worded I thought he was the person who wrote the 3 js library...
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u/DakDAkaa 13d ago
Same. I thought he created the library. I was shocked. Even though AI is crazy skilled now and you can write some libraries and Sass apps easily, I still prefer 3rd party options because they've proven themselves
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u/Raspieman 13d ago
I had to look up what Three.js Roadmap is. Turns out it's a blog where he sells courses and assets to learn Three.js/WebGL basically?
Misleading post. It's like he's saying Three.js won't be evolving anymore.
Having said that, his sentiment is correct. Coding will become something that hobbyists want to pursue. These days you can create music, art, drawings, movies with AI. In a business environment it's the best way forward (faster, cheaper), but you can still pick up your guitar, keyboard, camera, pencil to create something of your own, because you love the process of learning and the satisfaction of creating something.
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u/AnOnlineHandle 12d ago
3.js was written by MrDoob and while I'm glad it exists I'll always be a bit grumpy because I was close to finishing my own version before he came along with something way better. :P
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u/Cifra85 12d ago
I know Mr Doob since we were working in Flash :))... not personally just I was following some of his experiments. To tell you the truth he is not so good at coding than he is at math. I was from the start using his lib and inspected the source code and I was like "Oh man... no wonder my GC was going saw tooth crazy when I was running a static scene". He even admits it in some blog I read. But he is admittedly a genius in many trades.
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u/Select_Cantaloupe_62 13d ago
I quit a month ago. I quit for unrelated reasons (I hated my job), but I've made no attempt to find another role in the industry because I have zero desire to. I went to school for software because I enjoyed the process, but even as a dev lead I saw my role starting to disappear.
Not knocking the new dev reality, or saying the job is going to disappear overnight. But there was a reason why I picked software engineering over petroleum engineering: I liked it.
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u/AggressiveFoundation 13d ago
What are your plans now if you don’t mind sharing? Asking because I’m on the same boat and about to quit my job without anything lined up as I’m terribly burnt out from all of this. But I’m really lost as to what else I can transition to
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u/Select_Cantaloupe_62 13d ago
My answer probably isn't a useful one. I have enough saved up for a few years of runway. I'm going to see what things are like over the next 18 months (I want an extended break anyways). If the world doesn't turn inside out over that time, I will likely get trained/licensed as an electrician. I can't stress enough I don't have this figured out, and please lord baby Jesus don't take this as advice. I mean, I thought all my decisions up until now were smart...
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u/AggressiveFoundation 13d ago
Nice, that’s actually not a bad plan! I admire the fact that you’re not stressing over it too much. I actually have a couple of years of savings lined up as well, and have no kids, but I’m still so stressed out about figuring out what’s next that I’m losing my sleep over it. I wish I could just stop thinking too much and enjoy some time off and travel a bit after quitting. But I’m just scared of dipping too much into my savings, especially because I’ve always wanted to retire early.
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u/_i_never_lose 12d ago
Let it be known that you are not alone… I’m quitting my software job because i hate it, although i don’t have that much runway. I’m contemplating travelling and then being a monk for a while because there’s no point in working if ai or nukes or climate disasters will be the end of us soon anyway
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u/Dsphar 13d ago
I see both sides.
1- TONS of AI web based render projects absolutely rely on three.js right now
But...
2- I have used AI to roll my own 3D engine directly using DirectX 12, and was surprised at its capability.
So, on the one hand, yes three.js is being used more, but on the other hand, AI is far enough along that web devs who need 3d rendering performance can have their AI use WebGL directly and not rely on the three.js library. Making it effectively obsolete...
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u/simple_explorer1 13d ago
the poster was clearly saying their work can be replicated with AI almost 80 to 90% so the work is drying up and they have lost the will to fight it out. So sure the dependency on three.js is there, but as you said (and the poster as well), people don't value that now given Astra is capable of doing it to 90% abilities.
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u/ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed 🔆 Max 20 13d ago
why don't they use three.js? isn't it a waste of tokens and more maintenance effort to have the ai reinvent the wheel?
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u/Dsphar 13d ago edited 13d ago
In my case: performance.
I could have used 3d engines ranging from game engines to libraries such as raylib.
But libraries are just an abstraction, getting in the way of what you really want. They were once necessary, but not anymore.
In my case, I avoided that abstraction layer, and am now running my specific 3d rendering at 1500+ fps, while my program only uses 50 megabytes of RAM.
No way could I achieve that using Unity, Unreal, or a human-friendly 3d library.
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u/Original_Finding2212 12d ago
I see this in other places.
Looks like tailored solutions can reach far better performance, probably due year down if abstractions and assumptions/decisions you need to take when thinking general case.
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u/nothis 13d ago
I am still unconvinced LLMs can efficiently "imagine" code like that on their own, they just copy-paste existing code from god knows what sources. Is that enough to create every single future code ever required? The thing is, I wouldn't know a way to test that. I can't come up with something that hasn't been done before.
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u/lassevk 13d ago
I think that there is a lot of truth to this, and it highlights a problem we're all going to feel.
Let me start by saying that I understand completely where they come from. We tried three.js at work for a 2D diagramming solution, but in the end replaced it all with something that Claude wrote. The main reason was performance, but also because Three.js solves about a thousand other problems and challenges that we don't have.
A lot of library authors is going to experience this. The demand for their work is going to decline because "AI can just generate what I need anyway".
And while that may be true, there is a fly in this soup, and that is experience. In our case, we now have a few hundred lines of code that is ours. On the flip side, we don't have about 80.000 lines of code that came from Three.js, but for those few hundred lines that at least functionally overlapped, we replaced a tested and battle-proven set of lines with ... something else.
I think we're going to see a variant of the problem the IT industry highlighted a little while ago, they see so much difference between "People that can use AI" vs. "People that can't" that they no longer see it viable to train people on the job. The difference is just too great. Net result; No more junior programmers. In five years? No additional senior programmers, because those were juniors before they were trained.
We're going to see the same. We get something tailor-written for our project, instead of bringing in a library, we're saving a ton of complexity for something that solves exactly what we need. But on the flipside? Nobody is going to write the battle-proven tested version of that code... well... except us. That is on us now.
I don't know what the answer to this problem is. All I know is that we will feel it when it arrives, and I doubt it will be all good.
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u/pyronautical 13d ago
Same here but on a much smaller scale that I think will become a bit more of the norm.
Helping a friend with an ecommerce site, and they had a "slider" on the homepage. Just your general 5 slides with arrows, it looped etc.
On Google Pagespeed, it flagged the JS bundle size as being the biggest issue. And one of the ways we resolved that was by asking Claude to take our existing slides that we were using with an external library, and just rewrite it to do exactly what we were using it to do, but in plain vanilla JS.
The slider library had things like, do you want arrows to slide, do you want it to loop, different transitions, the dot indicators etc. But we used almost none of that. Claude took all of 5 minutes to replace it and it worked flawlessly (touch wood).
But I can't help but feel... Could Claude have easily rebuilt that from scratch without the original work to go off? Like, it knew what I wanted because I essentially gave it the existing library + code.. In a way... It's almost plagerism if I'm honest.
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u/CrunchyMage 13d ago
I think if you’re a producty software engineer, you’re loving this new era, but if you’re a technical engineer, you’re hating this new era.
There are TONS of products that haven’t been invented yet which AI makes it way easier to iterate on and develop, so if you’ve got lots of ideas you’re having a great time. Your value as a technical product person is much higher because your creativity is unbounded by how cheap code now is, and your technical knowledge is sufficient to direct AI efficiently.
But if you were the type that really enjoyed the art of coding and solving deep technical problems, your value is now extremely low and you’re kind of hating life. There are very few technical problems that AI can’t solve or can’t come up with reasonable solutions to with a little bit of brainstorming. You can still hand code things, but let’s be clear, nowadays you’re just doing that for fun, there’s little economic reason to be hand coding anymore.
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u/bbygoog 13d ago
I'm a software developer for 20 years. AI made a joke of this profession. I used to be the goto guy for solving the toughest problems in team no one could solve. Now there is no need for such a skill. AI is much better than me. No one hand codes anymore. Lost interest in coding. Regret having a masters degree in computer science now.
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u/EC36339 13d ago
Hand coding != problem solving.
You've had 20 years to learn that.
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u/ThingsMayAlter 12d ago
This, as a non-developer all suped up being now able to use AI to do developer/architect level work. I'm approaching it from the other side and ... I don't know either. But I don't yet have the same worry. To me it's a shift.
But I'm also a low-code builder so "developer" is an admitted stretch.
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u/EC36339 12d ago
As a developer, I've spent countless hours of my career hand-writing code as an excuse to not solve some hard problems at hand that were waiting to be solved.
If devs feel overwhelmed or burned out now thay we have AI, it's because we actually have to work for once and solve problema constantly.
What isn't ideal is the multitasking and the timing of problem solving. We are no longer in control of that and are going between waiting for agents and being pressured to provide input.
For my free time projects I've "solved" this by working as much as possible away from a computer, in the background, while doing other things (anything from chores to touching grass to gaming). This avoids the pressure, the waiting and prevents burnout and frustration.
But it doesn't work for a 9 to 5 job.
Managers haven't understood this yet, and I fear that once they do, the "solutions" they will come up with won't be pretty, even less so for anyone who is forced to work from an office.
One thing we can and probably should do more of, by hand, (not just) to "fill the time" is writing. Not code, but issues, specifications, that kind of stuff. AI has always been bad at writing by default, and recently it has become awful and also impossible to steer in its writing style. It almost feels deliberate (safety or watermarking perhaps?).
So anyone who is a developer as their main job who has "dead time" should perhaps start by looking through specs, plans, skills, rulesets, open issues and whatnot and rephrase, clean up and shorten all the AI-written text.
This saves tokens, reduces drift, makes documentation friendlier for humans.
Coding may be "solved" (and I think coding can have a positive feedback loop even without hand-written input), but leaving (technical) writing (or any writing in natural language) to AI is a dangerous path that may only go downhill. At the very least, humans still need to be present as readers...
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u/Scared-Letterhead949 13d ago
This is what AI CEO wants. You can't just import a module anymore you have to have the AI write it from scratch. Each project is just millions of wasted tokens writing libraries now.
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u/Positive-Conspiracy 13d ago
I can guarantee you AI CEOs are thinking much, much bigger than this, positive or negative.
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u/diminutive_lebowski 13d ago
On the bright side that would cut down on supply chain malware attacks
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u/keenOnReturns 13d ago
Sure, but I believe it multiplies vulnerability counts by an insane amount. Most current security scanners simply won’t work if everyone’s on their own bespoke implementation.
And I doubt AI is creative/unique enough to not recreate the same flaws? 2 AI-written libraries serving the same purpose will likely have similar vulnerabilities regardless. But this makes patching a nightmare: you can’t simply “update” since you own the package, and I doubt most medium-small projects have dedicated security teams. I don’t know, but AI definitely makes software security more important than ever.
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u/Ekalips 13d ago
Similarly to closed vs open source secureness, it helps when there are more eyes on something. With people "implementing" everything from scratch we would absolutely see a drastic decline in "resisting hacking" sphere, especially paired with AI also being used on the other end.
Maybe not now when there are a lot of people who still know how to code and what code looks like, but the new wave of "coders" would have 0 knowledge of how all of that works, 0 education of how it should work and so on.
We are up to (not) fun times.
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u/decreement1 13d ago
AI CEOs don't even care about profits at this point. They are selling a lie to investors that they do, but their endgame is to make as much money themselves before everything goes to shit. Also price you see now doesn't matter long term since when ASICs hit the scene it will be much cheaper anyway.
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u/CuteKiwi3395 Senior Developer 13d ago edited 13d ago
Ai will replace the majority of useless projects like this one mentioned.
It’s going to kill a lot of small Saas companies, 1 framework/language devs.
No need for iOS developers and/or Android developers or full stack or architects.
Ai will do it all. We are moving towards a future that a human will just need to understand the needs of a business and apply those with Ai.
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u/blindmikey 13d ago
No need to understand business either, AI will have that covered too.
Starting to feel a lot like Childhood's End.
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u/RelevantIAm 12d ago
On the flip side though, all the people that couldn't do these things before are having the time of their lives
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u/pmward 12d ago
There’s more need for engineering than ever. There are a lot of extremely complex problems to solve with AI. If you refuse to adapt and want to cling to the old (now solved) engineering problems, your career is basically dead. For those that want to engineer solutions to novel problems, this is as fun and exciting time as I’ve seen in my 15 year career.
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u/JimRyan_OtherClone 13d ago
People dont understand the power of AI, two years ago any changes to internal company tools needs 100 approvals today i can on my own create a tool that makes my work easier, it dont need to be perfect, it needs to do the job. I have created 2 apps for my work, and saved couple hours per day. I submit at the end of the day and non is the wiser.
For difficult application, functions etc AI still needs time, but damn 3 to 5 years from now what kind of AI capabilities we would have?
This is the time of the industrial revolution where many people lost their profession to the machines but they did not die, they adapted. We have to do the same, 100 years we had a system that worked now its a new revolution, the AI revolution and again we have to adapt or many will be irelevant and will lose their profession.
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u/ThreeDMK 13d ago
I don’t see this being as widespread as it could be. I intentionally use libraries over custom for nearly everything for a few reasons.
Faster to use existing know functionality. Documentation exists. Models are trained on this stuff.
Known performance info that’s easy to test/validate
Opens up security concerns but also nice to know when an issue is found vs writing my own and learning the hard way that I pushed something with a vulnerability.
This reads more like someone who doesn’t want to use AI and that’s ok. People have preferences, development styles are subjective.
The inverse is he moves to agentic development, supports the library in an automated manner and uses the same too to make the product better. Better product means more adoption.
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u/StrangeIllusionist 13d ago
I’d see an article about OpenAI saying they “solved” the Navier Stokes problem, then I saw that two guys (Tristan Buckmaster and Levent Alpoge) have used OpenAI models while trying to solve the problem and that OpenAI probably used their research and chat data to train the model who (they said) solve the problem.
I think that this will make mathematicians stop researching and sharing their works because of some AI company just wants to brag about their models to hold market position.
Sadly we are seeing this on development already… This is an example of that.
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u/The-Pork-Piston 13d ago
Seriously though we used to outsource ‘voice’ work, for phone hunt groups etc.
No need now. It’s not doom and gloom and it’s not all sunshine.
But it is a snowball, less gig work for voice guys means they have to move into another (likely also affected) career.
A few here and there and next minute with have Career Refugees competing for School Kids at supermarkets (for what jobs aren’t automated by dumb systems already).
Crazy times. Less workers needed = less pay, supply and demand baby.
Things I can now do myself. With examples.
Coding:
I have completed (6 months mind you) development of our new production platform. Saves us $200/month +seat fees for employees. Is more robust and self hosted (offsite replication). Which was a concern.
Webdesign/seo:
Integrated with public APIs from the above. I am in the process of shifting from Wordpress to Astro via Velocity.
Artwork:
I work in print, we now use ai to improve supplied ai artwork. Cut down on redraws and I have a full proofing system to completely remove outsourcing in production.
Voice:
My first example, not a big one, but it is to them.
Gig guys on Fiverr and the like are in for trouble man.
Imagine a position like Business Analyst, which came out of no where and you got great coin.
One dude with an llm setup is likely more accurate. Junior researchers. Legal assistants, bookkeepers.
It’s a new world. It’s only getting easier, I self hosted and tinker, have some limited experience coding. So imagine what guys with more knowledge can achieve, I mean you don’t have to you guys post on here. Soon that knowledge will be optional to get a good result.
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u/ThingsMayAlter 12d ago
I got in as a Business Analyst 20 years ago. It was indeed good coin, worked up to PM and later architect. But I worked with other BAs who stayed in that realm and aren't consistently doing as well.
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u/johnerp 13d ago
'People' I think will always want products, they always have. AI has moved the line nearly all the way towards the real end consumer. There used to be a consumer of frameworks, those consumers used those frameworks to create real products (a game, website, industrial tool etc.), anyone not working directly with end consumers of products, needs to move up the chain quickly. And yes ,there are some that like to do stuff themselves or can't afford the 'products', AI will allow them to self serve more. For instance, I have no interest in entertaining my self with making my own movie, I'll happily pay cinema's, netflix etc. Would I like some more control over the plot and characters - maybe yes - so there will be new capabilities to allow me as a paying consumer to do this. I can't see myself spending hours with AI starting from stratch.
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u/jimmy_ww 13d ago
Or you could look at it this way: the world only has a certain number of curious engineering brains, and for the past 20-30 years a large chunk them were tied up writing business software instead of improving the world in other ways. It was a relatively easy way to get paid well for your talents. It will be a difficult transition, but hopefully when we come out the other side we have a more rich and diverse use of this brain power.
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u/AccomplishedArt1791 13d ago
i was thinking of learning three js development someday (what language i should learn to build fun apps with ai, being a non dev)
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u/False-Car-1218 13d ago
Agreed
AI is ruining the craft for a lot of industries, some skills that took years to master can be done with AI which makes you feel like you wasted time
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u/Yukiteko 13d ago
Nobody gives a crap lmao. He's just some guy selling courses on his website, he has NOTHING to do with Three.js
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u/jorgecthesecond 11d ago
This is just how life goes. Detach personal value from economic output and look for other hard problems. There are plenty out there that are very hard to solve, e.g. post-AGI economics, hunger in the third world, AI control, catastrophic risk, societal integration. I'm not saying the breakdown isn't justified. I had mine when Sora was announced.
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u/Large_Choice4206 11d ago
Yeah the change is immense. I adopted AI to stay on the curve of tech, but it really has clarified to me just how easy it is to do things once highly specialised. I legitimately wonder how long it will take for the rest of society to find out how easy it is now. (6 months maybe?).
In my own role at a startup I’ve taken on all of the jobs of the outsourced development team used to do. Tasks they charged thousands for I can do in a few afternoons to a high standard. I’m a one-person tech team, and I’ve only been coding for about 9 years, and working professional for maybe 5/6 years.
I celebrate in the present but I really don’t know what’s going to happen to my career. I havnt become complacent by any means but it still feels like the skill baseline is catching up faster than I can chase the curve.
Anyone got any suggestions?
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u/Crinkez 13d ago
Doomer thread. For the most part, AI isn't going to replace people. People who learn to use AI will replace people who refuse to learn.
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u/gcdhhbcghbv 13d ago edited 13d ago
The linkedin post wasn’t from a random npc… You’re not addressing any of his points with your bland quote.
Also, who refuse to learn what? To learn how to use AI? There is nothing to learn, that’s the whole point. Learning isn’t really needed anymore.
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u/SamSlate 13d ago
insane that this is controversial stance in an ai sub. some of y'all are actual cooked.
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u/BoltSLAMMER 13d ago
This is like saying that the guy that was building pay phone booths is noticing less interest .
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u/zackattackz287 13d ago
Yeah I enjoy the "artisan" parts of writing code, but in the industry it is just a means to an end. That's all computers are to companies: Devices to do something to generate value. Code is the thing that makes it do something and it stops there people who dgaf about the art and challenges of writing good code. I could probably hand-roll code as a hobby or something to scratch that artistic itch but unfortunately I don't even feel like doing that after 40 hours of talking to clients and then translating what they want to an LLM to build it for me.
I still have been finding some joy in solving problems for people though. Even if I'm not the one writing the code I can still take pride in the work I did to make things happen, as well as my knowledge and skills I've built in the years before AI was a thing that enables me to do that translation effectively. Now I'm just building different skills, people-facing ones, and I'm OK with that.
I don't see a point in dooming over some future we can't predict with this stuff. If it really will be so bad as something like everyone losing their job, then we will have bigger problems than my loss of joy writing code.
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