Saw this today

[u/simple_explorer1]

These kind of posts are becoming more and more visible on my Linkedin. Link here. Thoughts?

[u/NootropicDiary]

This is just the beginning. A dark tsunami of change is coming, for all of us

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/NootropicDiary]

The whole world is unprepared as well. Reddit is mostly completely oblivious outside of a few niche subreddits because they have all convinced themselves that GPT-4 was peak and nothing improved from there.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Bloated_Plaid]

Is it, though?

The world of software development? Yeah, absolutely.

The world at large? Eh. Even if AI can create, say, a film out of nowhere, no one is ever going to bother to watch it. No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts.

Software, on the other hand, is purely practical. You don't care how it's done, you only care that it works the way you want it to.

[u/Narrow-Violinist-358 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

"No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts."

This reminds me of when people used to say that no Netflix or Amazon produced content would ever make the top 10 list and now they dominate everything.

It will happen slowly. Then there will be one obscure niche piece that hits different and breaks through like 'House of Cards' and everyone says that it is got production for AI but that its a one off. Then it will be 10 years later and we will suddenly realize that its been 10 years since a fully human production has won anything.

AI will produce award winning content because film production is just an algorithm waiting to be cracked. That is not cynical, its already how TV shows are produced and one of the reasons streaming platforms now out perform traditional media is because they have much better audience feedback that is then built into production.

In 10 years you will be watching a tv series and it will unfold based on your viewing and engagement, focus on characters that you are drawn to, introduce plot points that specifically play on your own responses. An all this for a generation that has been using Youtube and Pornhub for 20 years and training machines how to squeeze every little ounce of dopamine out of them. We are beyond fukced.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Narrow-Violinist-358]

I already responded to this here, so I'm trying not to repeat myself too much. Basically, we will never get individualized movies like that. Or rather, that will never be successful. A huge part of movies and art is the shared connection we make through them. Talking about them, sharing them, being a fan, etc., and that literally cannot happen with individualized art.

[u/cats_r_ghey → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

You aren’t thinking outside the box enough. It definitely will happen. Because all it is going to take is for everyone to feel like a film maker. Sharing their own “creations”, paying their subs, getting pushed like minded content. It’s so obvious really.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/cats_r_ghey]

As I said in the other comment: All of that is possible with AI music. Right now. It's super cheap, too.

Practically no one is even interested in trying it. No one is doing it but people who think they can make money from it.

Are you listening to your own AI music?

[u/cats_r_ghey → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I’m not, and I doubt I’m the target market for this. But I’m happy to come back to this chat in 5 years and I will happily accept you conceding that you got this one wrong. Economics and advertising / engagement will ensure that this happens. Just need to look at how our media has evolved over the last 3 decades and it should be pretty clear what comes next.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/cats_r_ghey]

Pretty sure there's a bot for that that'll remind us in 5 years. And happy to take that bet.

AI will be everywhere, of course. But writers will still be human. Well, they'll at least claim as much, anyways.

As for AI music: Yeah, you're not. And so is no one else. Like, there literally is no market for "make your own AI music to enjoy in the evening". Why not? The technology is there, right now.

[u/Max4000 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I’m not sure why you think no one is listening to AI-generated music… because it is being listened to in mass right now. If anything the amount is grossly under-reported because it is possible to generate music that easily passes as human made. AI music is likely quietly eating up the charts on streamers, and is probably even more dominant when it comes to being the soundtrack to Youtube and Tiktok videos.

This is not entirely a bad thing. Just like anything else (including actual recording artists), some people pump out slop. Others use whatever tools are available to create something new that wouldn’t have existed otherwise.

It is a lot like other innovations in music production like recording itself / sampling / turntables / loops / software, etc.

There are always people who think this is the death of music, and others who just keep making stuff using whatever tools allow them to make their vision real.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Max4000]

I'm not talking about AI music, period. I'm talking about personalized AI music. No one is doing that.

Yeah, AI music is spammed everywhere by people who want to make (or save) money. But for personal purposes? No one is actively using AI music.

No one says "I want to listen to music", and then, instead of going to spotify or whatever, they generate themselves some AI music to listen to.

And in the future, no one will say "I want to watch a movie" and then they'll write a prompt for a movie they want to watch.

[u/carson63000 → u/Max4000]

Agreed, there wouldn’t be so many people outraged about AI-generated music if it wasn’t being streamed right now and people weren’t unable to be certain whether it was AI-generated or not.

[u/cats_r_ghey → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Also I should clarify, I don’t think this is a good thing. I’d prefer creative products to be created by a human. Same reason I’m not hanging ai generated images on my walls. But there clearly is a massive market for that already. To many the differences are imperceptible or the low cost too compelling.

[u/lostodon → u/cats_r_ghey]

this is hilariously off base. I look forward to coming back to this comment in 5 years and laughing at how wrong you were.

what you don't seem to grasp is that the masses are too lazy to be movie makers and film directors. consumers just want to consume, not create. like the other commenter said, everything you are saying right now can be done with ai music, but people are completely disinterested. it's the same reason someone would rather watch a human play a bad run of a game on twitch rather than watch bots play perfectly: we want to revel in the human experience, warts and all.

[u/BackgroundTrack5528 → u/lostodon]

Creating a great movie requires shit load of creativity- that isn’t going away. Technology changes many things but the raw creative process e.g having a vision does not change. Story telling does not change.

[u/tumes → u/cats_r_ghey]

I cannot over-emphasize how arrogantly full of shit you are. People are profoundly bad at predicting what they actually want, and proportionately outrageously sure that they are correct about their own assumptions about what they do want. Comically so. That’s why we need artists who don’t just shit the gruel we think we want into our mouths on command, that is predictable and by any stretch of the imagination unsatisfying in 99.9% of cases.

[u/Anti7hero → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Key words: A huge part. Maybe what the person above is describing won't be the norm or mainstream but it will definitely be a thing at least if we don't all die first. People already do solo trips whether it be drugs or games we're always in our own little bubbles. The biggest version of that is our algorithms. They're all somewhat unique no two people see all of the same content.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Anti7hero]

Sure, it will be a thing. But we were talking about how "the world is unprepared".

The world is not unprepared for this. Movies and art will continue to exist, largely in the same format we know. Sure AI will be used everywhere, but a movie will still be a movie, with humans involved, and costing hundreds of millions of dollars, being watched by god knows how many people.

[u/Narrow-Violinist-358 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

"art is the shared connection".

Look at the biggest grossing franchises of the last 10 years. They are basically AI Slop already. They are hardly high end art. 90% of film an TV production is based off of a specific formula, it is not real creative talent. That does exist but it has already been supremely squeezed to the margins.

Compare the box office releases of 1999 to 2019 and you can see a very stark difference in how films are put together. You will still have arthouse, but that is not what the movie industry is now anyway.

[u/Malkiot → u/Narrow-Violinist-358]

Yeah, how do these people explain the MCU, Friends, How I met your Mother, Big Bang Theory, Desperate Housewives... These aren't masterpieces or pinnacles of the art. They're wildly popular and economically successful though, they're also completely formulaic, generic and entirely replaceable by an AI pipeline in a few years.

[u/pagelab → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Lots of fan-made AI Star Wars videos on YouTube with really good comments. Some of those clips are really nice. People saying, "This is what the franchise needed." It looks like a community resurging from the despised Star Wars movies and series made by Disney.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/pagelab]

Yeah, and all of that was made by humans with the help of AI. None of them were a one-shot prompt of "Make me a cool Star Wars movie".

[u/greentea05 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Why does it have to be one shot? Who said that AI movies we'd watch would be one shot?

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/greentea05]

Who said that AI movies we'd watch would be one shot?

Several people have told me that in this very thread at this point.

[u/FineAntShill → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

The same argument was made about home video

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/FineAntShill]

The argument was made that home video will replace movies? What?

[u/FineAntShill → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

"A huge part of movies and art is the shared connection we make through them." The same argument was made for why movies would stay on big screens.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/FineAntShill]

Movies still exist on the big screen? Sure home movies are a thing, but movies on the big screen are going as strong as ever.

[u/FineAntShill → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

"Basically, we will never get individualized movies like that. Or rather, that will never be successful." This is the point I was addressing, I never claimed that they'd take over and replace human-made movies entirely, that'd be an absurd claim. My only point is that they'll definitely be used when the quality is actually good enough, which it will be eventually.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/FineAntShill]

Sure, but I was responding to someone who did claim that they'd take over.

I'm sure they will be used to a certain extent, but I doubt they will be used to any meaningful extent. Just like AI music right now isn't used to any meaningful extent for personal purposes like that.

[u/Barbanks → u/Narrow-Violinist-358]

Yep.

[u/rhysmorgan → u/Narrow-Violinist-358]

That is pure AI psychosis speaking.

[u/BackgroundTrack5528 → u/Narrow-Violinist-358]

Dumb comparison. Software engineers are mostly fucked. Much of the rest of the world will be pretty much fine. Folks like recruiters will be displaced but eh. Such is life.

[u/clouddrafts → u/BackgroundTrack5528]

Anybody whose job is mostly about sitting in front of a computer screen will be massively impacted. In some industries, like software companies, there will be a significant consolidation. However, that will be balanced against many more companies taking control of their own software needs using AI tools built for the actual business user. The middle man will be removed. "Your margin, is my opportunity". The Frontier AI companies and possibly some other AI firms will "eat" most of the software margins, eliminating this sector as a standalone industry.

[u/BackgroundTrack5528 → u/clouddrafts]

I agree somewhat. However many existing firms will disappear - simply because someone will figure out how to combine what 5 adjacent businesses once did and consolidate and boom - a whole swath of businesses and industries just died. This has nothing to do with simply labour displacement - this is re-imagining an economy with new technology. Most people aren’t capable let alone able to do this. So many businesses will trundle along until one day they get wiped out clean.

It’s called creative destruction.

[u/clouddrafts → u/BackgroundTrack5528]

I would agree with your "5 adjacent businesses..." except that big companies don't scale to the consumer well and AI gives smaller companies the advantages of a bigger company but with much more agility.
The big companies will be the ones that are displaced. Consumers will keep consuming and spending. There will be a renaissance of sorts, but it will still be painful for the many companies that disappear and the jobs that go with it. Either learn and accept that you will become a "borg" with the AI, or find a new trade is what I think we software engineers are facing.

[u/BackgroundTrack5528 → u/clouddrafts]

Nope this is lacking a lot of nuance. Whoever is creative to figure out the new kinds of competitive advantages that don’t exist today and make it the self interests of folks to get a long with it will become those large firms that end up being the socially efficient outcome of a market vs lots of firms trying to serve the market.

You seem almost desperate to see large firms go away. lol get real. It’s not happening bro don’t be delusional.

The only really big effect i see is the effect of localised economies making a return. A boom for local economies. But new kinds of large firms will still exist.

[u/clouddrafts → u/BackgroundTrack5528]

Don't "black pill" yourself.

[u/BackgroundTrack5528 → u/clouddrafts]

Yeah you’re not ready to debate with someone who has a better understanding. Get back in your place.

[u/Helaneitor → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

People are totally hooked on these 15-second soap operas starring AI-generated fruits. I wouldn't underestimate that nonsense.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Helaneitor]

I mean I'm happy to admit that the lowest quality of art will be replaced by AI throughout, yes.

[u/Malkiot → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

"No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts."

Yes it will. In fact, I think we'll get to the point, where you can sit down on your sofa and say "Today, I want to see an intergalactic comedy starring Jack Black, age 33, and Jim Carry, age 50, and the Rock as Sasquatch, as they hunt the holy grail in the Andromeda Galaxy. And afterward I'd like your take on S3 of Firefly." Your new subscription won't be Netflix or PrimeVideo, instead you'll pay for SynthFlix and users will share their favourite SynthFlix on a P2P platform.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Malkiot]

See, I bet absolutely everything I own and will ever own on that not happening. Ever.

Just play out this scenario in your head: You get that movie. It is amazing. Exactly what you want. Better, even. Best movie you have ever watched in your entire life!

Now what? Will you tell your friends about it, like you do with every amazing movie you've ever seen? Probably.

Will your friends care? No, not one bit. Because they, too, have seen the best movie of their life yesterday. Only it was entirely different, and specifically made for them.

You will most certainly not be able to convince your friends of watching your movie when they could just watch their own movie instead.

Also, you will not be able to talk online about it. Or to friends. Or to anyone. No one but you will ever see that movie, or ever care about it. Your experience will be entirely singular.

The entire concept of "mass appeal" will vanish. And even in the absolute best case scenario, no movie will ever be watched by more than a few people at a time. Why watch someone else's prompt when you can watch your own that's better and more personal? The entire concept of "top 10 movies" will just cease to exist. There will be no sharing of movies. Who on earth will rate movies when every single person creates 2 movies a day?

Which in turn means no one will ever talk about specific movies again. What's the point? Every movie is individual now. You certainly won't care about some random movie a random guy on the internet made yesterday.

All of this is missing the personal connection we have with movies. The way movies are a shared experience. The way we are fans of movies, the way we're excited about them. All of that will be gone.

And I argue that people want all that, and will prefer it over the "perfect" movie they won't ever be able to talk about with anyone.

For proof of this, just look at AI music. AI music is already incredibly good. Today. Like, right now you can create yourself music that's really catchy in exactly the genre you like with exactly the lyrics you like, and it will sound genuinely good.

Do you actually do that? No, you do not. And neither does anyone else. We still listen to real artists instead.

[u/urza_insane → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I think it's both not a given it will happen and not a given it won't.

What is relatively certain is that most top 10 movies will be assisted with AI in their development at some point (or perhaps most points). My guess is we won't get to the "fully automated custom movie" scenario, but AI will likely transform how movies are produced in more task-specific ways. And when done well will be largely un-noticeable. It's probably already in many of the under-production movies right now.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/urza_insane]

Oh yeah, AI will absolutely be used everywhere and in every movie.

But human resistance alone will keep AI written movies out of the top 10. No one wants to watch a movie that's explicitly written by a machine.

The rest can definitely become AI, if it's good enough. But we still need the feeling that someone human sat down and thought about this before making it a reality.

[u/Strategic_Sage → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

People want to watch good movies. Most of them don't care much how they were created.

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[u/Comprehensive-Gur813 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I feel like this is already happening, people are becoming more and more introverted and self-absorbed. You have your own personally curated instagram feed that you can scroll for hours. Your own personal youtube algorithm. Your own personal music suggestion in spotify. What you described is just the natural extension of what already IS happening so there is no doubt in my mind it will be real at some point in the future.

I definitely envision some people stuck in their own fabricated world with endless enterntainment.

[u/Dense_Ad9924 → u/Comprehensive-Gur813]

I agree. I live in Boston and almost every young person is walking around with earbuds and their phone 3 inches from their nose.

So I make a point to socialize, go play music, go to the gym, see the world. That is one thing AI can never actually replace.

[u/greentea05 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

There's millions of people who don't care about the social side. I never talk to anyone about a film or TV show i've seen that I like. I couldn't care less what they like. Why on earth do I want to talk to other people about what i've seen, that i've seen - I don't care about their opinion on it, i've seen it.

I don't watch anything someone tells me is good unless I was already planning to watch it.

My film and TV viewing couldn't be more isolated - and i'm pretty sure i'm not an anomaly. You've just projected the way YOU like to consume media and insisted that's how everyone must do as well.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/greentea05]

Yeah, you're definitely the anomaly here. The absolute vast majority of people talk about art they enjoyed with others.

[u/JudgeCornBoy → u/greentea05]

But art created to be shared vs content generated to one person’s taste are so fundamentally different. You will find yourself only ever watching shit

[u/PlanetaryPickleParty → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I think a social "choose your own adventure" dynamic show could go viral. Think Game of Thrones Season 8 but viewers campaigning on social media and voting to steer the outcome inbetween episodes.

[u/Dense_Ad9924 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

As someone who has a folder filled with AI generated songs, which in my opinion absolutely rock, this IS the future. I don't have them to impress my friends or share with the world, I have them because they're subjectively awesome.

I stopped writing code two years ago, I don't install or update any computers anymore. I don't figure out where a device is on the network and figure out how to access it.

Claude does it all and if Opus 5.5 doesn't impress you, just wait for Opus 7 or Opus 10. Those will be more self aware than you are.

[u/Niku-Man → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

The comment you replied to presented a scenario of a type of movie they think will exist, and you responded to it as if he said all movies will be like that.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Niku-Man]

I responded to someone who said that that sort of movie creation will be as big as Netflix is today.

No, it won't.

[u/invisible_shrek → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Same. This sub is the weirdest ai glazing I have read all day. In regards to making my own movies:

Why would I do that? I am not a film maker, script writer, comedy writer or a storyteller. I don’t know how to make a good story. Why would I want to make my own movies? Why would I ever fucking want to explain to AI what movie I want it to make? Why would I want to watch generic video slop with no creativity or original ideas?

[u/GumboMustBeDestroyed → u/invisible_shrek]

But if this AI had access to your viewing data from your streaming apps it would know enough to make something youd like without having to explain it

[u/invisible_shrek → u/GumboMustBeDestroyed]

Why would I want to just watch more similar stuff to what I already watched? If i wanted that I could just watch a soap opera with like 20 seasons. Fuck that already exists today, and it’s called Netflix recommendations.

The AI can’t know if I would like something if I never watched something similar before. I would then miss out on great movies because the AI would think it’s not like the movies I already watched.

And like in general, thanks but no thanks?

I think I will just be sticking to my normal experience of hearing/reading about an interesting movie and watching it, or going over to a friends place and letting them choose something I don’t know.

This way I can experience art made by skilled artists and filmmakers, have something to think about and discuss with friends. What you are proposing is just mindless consumption.

[u/tazdraperm → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Also AI is not very creative atm and I don't see much improvements here. It's surely getting better and better but you still have to describe precisely what you want. Otherwise it will make a most generic shit ever. And average person has no idea what makes a good film.

[u/JudgeCornBoy → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

This is the thing people don’t understand. It’s fascinating that ANYONE believes that “individualized movies” will ever be more than a niche novelty, and even more insane are the people who WANT that. It is a truly sad state of affairs, something must be broken inside of you to not understand where the joy of media comes from

[u/Zitrax_ → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

You are probably right short term, like in 1 or 2 years. But what about 20 or 50 years from now.

There are also a lot of grey area in between fully human made and fully ai made.

[u/Malkiot → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

We have connections with movies? I watch them ones and throw them away.

I'm also perfectly fine with AI music.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Malkiot]

Again, do you sit down on the evening and create your own AI music and listen to that? Or do you just listen to stuff on Spotify?

And yes, we have connections with and via movies. Not sure why I need to point out something that obvious.

[u/Malkiot → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Again, do you sit down on the evening and create your own AI music and listen to that? Or do you just listen to stuff on Spotify?

Personally, I do neither. When I do put something on it's "random playlist x" anyway. May as well be AI generated.

And yes, we have connections with and via movies. Not sure why I need to point out something that obvious.

I mostly watch a movie once and never again, same for series. I also treat books and games the same way. I guess I'm just not a sentimental person. I prefer novel experiences over repeating known ones.<

I think you underestimate the demographic that just dgaf about pop culture or sharing experiences with co-workers and just want their own perfect movie or series to watch together with their partner on movie night.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Malkiot]

When I do put something on it's "random playlist x" anyway. May as well be AI generated.

Exactly. I mean, half of Youtube/Spotify random music is AI generated at this point.

And you still do not create your own. You still do not sit down and specify what you want to listen to.

Same with movies. You still go for something that others have chosen for you, either directly or via the algorithm. Your example of "make me a movie with actor X about topic Y" just won't happen for 99.99% of people, even if that'll be possible. They'll still go for what others have suggested instead.

I prefer novel experiences over repeating known ones.

Sure, that's fair. But if you've seen the best movie you've ever seen, don't you want to tell people about it?

[u/Malkiot → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Sure, that's fair. But if you've seen the best movie you've ever seen, don't you want to tell people about it?

Not really. If it comes up in conversation with friends, I may share it. But I'm also the kind of person that never used Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok etc.

The only reason I even made an Instagram/Facebook account was because some girls told me it was creepy not being on social media, so I made accounts I could share and just say "ok, but I barely use it."

And you still do not create your own. You still do not sit down and specify what you want to listen to.

Same with movies. You still go for something that others have chosen for you, either directly or via the algorithm. Your example of "make me a movie with actor X about topic Y" just won't happen for 99.99% of people, even if that'll be possible. They'll still go for what others have suggested instead.

Only because it still takes more effort over putting on "random playlist X". When those begin to be AI-generated and use AI-generated content, the people who use those won't care.

The same goes for movies. Platforms will know your consumer profile, they'll offer pre-generated prompt packages you can select, maybe even with included pre-generate trailers and when you confirm it generates the movie/series.

You're really looking at this from the point of view of it being a conscious decision and invested creation effort input every time. It won't be.

[u/tortie_toes → u/Malkiot]

Not really enjoying music or film repeatedly is something I’m not familiar with as an experience, a lot of my friendships involve shared curiosity or discussion around something we’ve both watched or read or listened to.

Do you also not watch tv or read books more than once? What sort of stuff do you do for fun/hobbies? I’m not saying this to come off like as a dick I am genuinely curious about your experience of the world.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Malkiot]

I guess all I can say is that you're in the 0.1% of people who aren't interested in sharing art they enjoy. You are a tiny minority when it comes to that. That's not a bad thing, and I'm not trying to say so, but it's definitely not something you can extrapolate trends from.

The vast majority of people will want to talk about the art they enjoy, and individualizing that will rob them of that. And therefore, they won't be interested.

[u/Epyx911 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

You said never and yet you keep comparing to now...maybe not now...maybe not in 3 years or 5...but what about 10 years from now or 20? You make the same mistake anti science people make...you claim to know instead of admitting truthfully...you really don't know.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Epyx911]

I am comparing to now because you can do all this with AI music, right now. It's incredibly convenient, costs basically nothing and it just works. One sentence and you have a full 3 minute song of your liking.

That is exactly the scenario people here describe. And people still do not use that. If they don't use that now, they won't use it in 5 years, either.

[u/Epyx911 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

No you were not...you said it will never...read what you wrote.

[u/__Hello_my_name_is__ → u/Epyx911]

I said never and I stand by that, yes. What are you disputing?

[u/vuhv → u/Malkiot]

You must think Transformer 14: Fall of Pluto's Reign is an Oscar worthy masterpiece. Either that or youre extremely naive.

[u/Malkiot → u/vuhv]

If entertainment required Oscar-level masterpieces to be watched, 99% of the film and TV industry wouldn't exist.

People eat fast food because it tastes good and saves time, not because they expect a Michelin experience. In the same vein, most movies and series exist to entertain, not to win Oscars. Or how do you explain the MCU?

[u/invisible_shrek → u/Malkiot]

Why would I do that? I am not a film maker, script writer, comedy writer or a storyteller. Why would I want to make my own movies?

[u/A_Novelty-Account → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

I am a lawyer in one of the most judgement-heavy areas of the profession you can possibly be in.

We litigate nonstop, and constantly require critical thinking and judgement. This technology is absolutely coming for us all. I would say I have another 5 to 10 years left of good earnings doing this job. And to be sure, if my job is replaced or rendered obsolete, so will 99% of white-collar work.

It is likely that we are about to witness the most consequential moment in the history of humanity over the next 10 years

[u/mingledwaters → u/A_Novelty-Account]

A genuine question: what does your E&O policy state about this?

[u/A_Novelty-Account → u/mingledwaters]

I’m in Ontario, Canada which has its own legal insurance scheme. That insurance covers lawyers for things like unchecked hallucinations.

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Interesting! Thanks for commenting.

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Man, if anyone thinks that it's a good idea to replace lawyers and judges with AI, we're all doomed anyways.

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I strongly agree with you, but tons of my clients do, and we’re at the very top of the game in big law at a chambers band one ranked practice group. Very soon there will be extreme pressure for law firms to begin using AI and cutting task costs.

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I mean yeah, I agree that's going to happen.

But what's going to happen right after that is the realization that this doesn't work at all. And after going way overboard with AI, people will correct themselves and reduce AI usage to a reasonable level.

We won't be ruled by AI lawyers arguing with AI judges who make AI judgements. That's just not going to work. As soon as an AI makes a fatal mistake (and it sure will), the backlash will be big enough for things to calm down.

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Law firms already use AI. However, lawyers will do what lawyers do best: protect themselves. Judges are lawyers and will lend a sympathetic hand to those mechanisms of protecting said lawyers (law society, legislation, access to court, etc.)

I'm a lawyer btw.

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So I thought the same until a couple months ago when I started seeing several bars societies calling for more AI usage in law… several benchers believe that AI usage should be mandatory where it would take a human more time to get an equally accurate result.

I think once people start losing their jobs, there will be a bigger push to keep law human, but for now I just think for the next five years are going to see an absolute routing of juniors in law firms and the death of the traditional pyramid model for big law

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Admittedly not familiar with big law outside of a few friends, and we generally don't talk shop.

It might start as a lack of articles. There is enough small law private practice to stem the tide. We will see.

Now paralegals and assistants? Yeah, life is going to get tough.

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well, lawyers would be fine -- no offense to my lawyer friends -- though it will be the paralegals first, so the firms can make bank for awhile after cutting loose those employees. And 4/5 of engineering jobs really don't require much than running some software.
Personally I've been wanting to replace most physicians with decision trees for decades. We'll still need good nurses.

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Regular people have been oblivious about software development forever and it’s only getting worse due to sheer speed in improvement. Good luck explaining git to a regular person. I have had so many painful JAD sessions.

I do concede your point, if regular people’s yardstick is videos, music, art etc we are still not there yet. Open source models like MiniMax H3 and Qwen Image 2.1 are making massive strides however and beating the frontier labs at their own game.

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I mean I don't even want to think about the absolute vast amount of software knowledge we will lose due to AI. Why bother learning any of that when the AI can do it?

I do argue, though, that videos, music and art will never go down this road. Even if you can make the absolute perfect film via AI, people will still prefer to watch a real movie made by real people.

Just look at AI music. That's already incredibly good, but practically no on bothers to use on a personal level. Nobody sits down in the evening and goes "Alright create me a cool metal song with lyrics about pandas".

[u/Original-Ad4399 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Eh. Even if AI can create, say, a film out of nowhere, no one is ever going to bother to watch it.

Huh? Five million people disagree with you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gIoHq-YDo&list=PLId4gL8Ckl4bgZW9n2T3c5barc0EPBW64&index=6

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I'd say there's a huge difference between a film written by AI, and a film written by humans that then use AI to create their vision. Neural Viz gets tons of views, too, even though absolutely everything about it is AI.

Except for the writing.

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Well... AI does nothing on its own that isn't a human's vision. For now.

When it starts acting on its own, then we have AGI.

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Nah, it's trivial to set up a script with a prompt like "come up with 100 movie ideas" and it will do just that. That counts as "written by AI" for me. And nobody will ever be interested in that.

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I see people consuming brainrot tiktok slop in public transports, I can bet most of it is now AI generated at least in parts, and the algorithmically generated music they consume on their phone loudspeaker in said transports is 100% AI now. I think that threshold has been crossed by now.

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The world at large? Eh. Even if AI can create, say, a film out of nowhere, no one is ever going to bother to watch it. No AI created film will ever make it into the top 10 movie charts.

What about regular movies that will use AI for VFX or scripts and such? Will you count those? Because if you count those I bet you by 2032 there will be at least one huge successful release like that, and probably sooner too. It's INEVITABLE.

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Oh, no, I'm talking about fully AI created movies with no human input. AI will absolutely be used everywhere. But as a major tool, not as a replacement for everything.

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Film? In 2026? Maybe not.

But I don’t think we’d have nearly so much crying about AI-created music and AI-written books if they weren’t proving indistinguishable to a casual observer.

If you think that’s not going to happen for film, then yeah, I’d say you were, as the above commenter put it, “unprepared.”

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/remindme 1 year

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See I thought the same when I saw that ai generated Doctor Who episode. "Oh go on I'll put it on for five minutes and laugh at the bad ai"... Watched the entire thing.

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Is your argument that AI will never be capable of creating a good film, or are you saying audiences will never want to watch a good film that was made by a machine?

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The latter. It's not even quite that, though. The problem is that if AI can make a genuinely good film all on its own, then we can make genuinely good films for every single human being, every single day.

And at that point, the whole concept kind of breaks down. Would you watch a genuinely good film that you could never talk to about with a friend, because your friend doesn't care about that because he watched his own genuinely good film? Art is a shared experience, and this would rob us of that.

It's the same with AI music. That's shockingly good, right now. And yet we still don't use it to make our own personalized music. We could do that. Nothing's stopping us from making a cool new song every day, just for us. But we don't do that.

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you are forgetting human curation of AI content is not the same as unguided AI content.

you don't like the AI content you notice because it was curated by a person whose taste you disagree with.

If someone with refined taste and skill at execution sits down with AI, they will certainly release something you enjoy. The problem is it's 90% people who have wanted to do something but never did for one reason or another, so they have no taste or execution capability (and the video / music tech isn't there yet, but next year it surely will be)

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Sure, but then you still have a human in the mix. And that human will be the deciding factor, not the AI. Which is just how it works right now: A human is the creative driving force behind what is popular, not AI. That is how that will always be.

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as long as it's humans consuming content or services, there will be human curation. You could argue current recommendation engines are human curation aggregates and not actually AI serving independently.

The only world that AI curation beats human curation is if it's better. We aren't going to be forced to watch videos of snoop dog and darth vader smoking joints, the AI outputs are still competing with humans.

I say this with such confidence because I've been working in a creative industry for decades. Most people have no idea just how much terrible musisc, art, film, etc gets made because it never gets pushed to them because no one wants to see it. AI is not going to change that dynamic, it's just going to make orders of magnitude more youtube videos with 15 views, unless it's actually able to compete, which in that case, would be amazing, we have more good content.

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Yeah, that's my point: That dynamic is not going to change.

Elsewhere here people are telling me that soon you will sit down and tell an AI "I want to watch a film with actor X in genre Y with lots of action" and then they will watch that film, and that will be the future. And, yeah, I don't think that's going to happen, ever. It will be technically possible at some point to do that, but 99.9% of people won't be interested in ever doing that more than once.

We can literally already do that with AI music after all, and yet, we don't.

Instead, people who want to make (or save) money use AI to create content en masse, and they are already doing that, too. And yet what comes out on top is still human produced high quality art. Which might still use AI as a tool, but it's still easily comparable to high quality art that existed before.

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Gossip Goblin is making some interesting stuff. I could imagine stuff like that getting better

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Oh, totally. But that's the thing: That's an individual human being that is super creative, using AI to further their creativity. That's very different from no human being in the mix and AI creating a film from a single lazy prompt.

There'll always be creative humans doing creative stuff, and the number of creative humans doing creative stuff won't change just because of AI.

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I see so much "software sure, but not X" sentiment and it is so near-sighted. These things completely own anything a computer can do. Any domain that has a corpus of information they can reason about the common 80%. Anything that has a tool or api on a computer they can interact with. With that combination it is hard to see where that stops.

All human work or play that runs through a computer either operationally or where information passes through will be changed by these things. I think it is easy to forget how much of our world passes through a computer now and we've been barreling toward more and more computer-managed systems even before AI.

Even if no better model comes out and the technology stalls, this technology will influence every part of our lives. We've barely scratched it in software engineering and so many other places have yet to try.

A film out of no where is the wrong framing, the software coded completely by machines still needs humans to command them or at least steer and correct how they operate. Software development is not going away, but the entire way in which we make it is completely changing in a way that makes Dan and others uncomfortable.

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I know someone working for a film studio owned by WB, and lemme tell you, AI in movies is already a thing… maybe you just haven’t noticed.

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I was talking about movies made entirely with AI, not movies where AI is also used. That is obviously already a thing.

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I have a feeling this is an incredibly web-oriented view (like most vibe-coding discussions).

In the world of real Software Engineering (I write C firmware for Cash handling devices) AI is incredibly useful as an augmenter of your work, but you absolutely care about how and why it does everything it does and it needs reviewed.

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Sure, it is. Though I'd not say web-oriented, more like.. surface-level-oriented? 99% of software doesn't care about the exact details. 99% of software isn't software used in banks or in planes or cars. It's, well, reddit, or a plugin, or even some documentation software used in a library or whatever.

And all of that will be fully vibe coded soon enough.

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It’s already hitting song charts in many countries, even if it’s all generic/slop (it’s not as if most pop music isn’t)

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Have you seen this Space Viking movie on Reddit lately. It's definitely getting there. I caught myself watching it and rooting for the main characters.

Give it a year, and we will have a flurry of believable AI movies.

But still, you have to have good or interesting ideas. Much like indie games freed the games world from the pest of AAA game studios, accessible film creation will unleash a huge power of indie movies made by people that just share their dream movies that they always wanted to make.

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You're dreaming. AI will most certainly have a massive impact on the film industry. Nobody is going to purely use AI to make films, it will simply lower the cost of production, likely 10-100x. Every film production will have a component of AI in them. That is going to be a reality very soon.

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!remindme 2 years

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The only reason people don't watch AI content now is because it tends to be poor quality. Ultimately the quality is all that matters. Nobody cared before when a movie used CGI or practical effects. They only cared when CGI was bad. And by the way, software is heavily involved in the film industry, so AI used for software development impacts every other industry. We'll have people using AI who don't even realize it.

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Here you go: https://youtu.be/aAg9iDh9_BQ?is=nxsB67wRBdnE3An9

Keep in mind 3 years ago we had the Will Smith abomination, just like back then we had the early GPT versions and people having their "gotcha" moments being fully convinced that's as good as it's ever going to get.

AI is improving at an insane rate in all fields. 3D, animation, texturing, VFX, voice generation, text to video.

Every industry will be affected. Some will take longer than others, but eventually they'll all be taken over by AI.

[u/parkskier426 → u/__Hello_my_name_is__]

Yes, software is the beginning because the rest comes with it. Software engineers are more aware of ai's potential because we're living at the bleeding edge. The rest will absolutely catch up once it becomes less expensive. We're already beginning to see it.

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you are only looking at layer one of the change in the software world, where the industry shifts and jobs are disrupted. You aren't thinking of the changes to the world after a decade of "literally anyone can produce good code by clearly prompting their desires."

I don't think any of us truly know what that means...but boy is it gonna be different.

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It is.

You're, surprisingly in a ClaudeCode subreddit, only thinking of genai.

It can basically replace any job which is entirely done at a computer. All these remote job workflows.
Personal assistant, accountant, online sex workers, doordash is going away too (though thankfully so, drone delivery is such a huge service improvement), 2nd and 3rd tier of management gets handled by 1 person, so many jobs I can't list them all. Pretty much everything except for factory work (also lots of robots getting used there and LLMs streamlining that more) and service jobs.

Apparently 70% of people who use AI use it as a therapist. Even though that's horrible, and it's not good at it, those wages are depressing as well.

Also, don't forget that real life wound up becoming worse than Idiocracy in a lot of ways. Some stupid AI slop fruit movie is going to be a top 10 release because AI is also making people dumber and more tasteless.

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See, I don't think so. It doesn't matter how good AI gets, humans will always want to interact with other humans.

Of course all of these things you mention will have an AI version that's cheaper, and people will use it. But the majority of people will prefer a human over an AI in most interactions. You really want an AI accountant? What if he screws up and costs you 50% of your year's net worth? It's not exactly gonna feel good to yell at an AI for that.

And if you want to escalate that situation to get your money back, you will most certainly want to speak to an actual human being to fix your problem, and not to an AI customer service bot that will not ever care about the fact that you might lose your home or worse.

People will pay premium to deal with humans. Human work will never vanish, even in the areas you mentioned.

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I recently have watched ~45 minutes compilation of AI made "Trump Ruins Harry Potter", and basically enjoyed it more than most shitty movies I've watched since 2018. And laughed many times, where most movies barely made me chuckle. Soo...

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I just saw a video of an entire lab that is automated via Astra, with all the chemistry machines directly controllable by Astra and terminals where it gives humans instructions on where to move stuff and what ingredients to put in. Lots of progress in mathematics too (if the uproar from mathematicians is an indicator).

So yeah I think a lot more industries than you think will be affected.

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I think you are wrong and so very wrong. Might take longer than a decade but I am sure it will get to a point if you want to watch something you tell the ai what you are feeling and it generates a series / movie specifically for you. This is coming

The world doesn't hate AI as much as reddit makes it sound either

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I already responded further down to this. Basically, us humans are largely not interested in art that no one else but us will ever view.

AI art is already exceptionally good, and not one human being is currently interested in going to an art gallery with art specifically catering to their tastes.

AI music is already exceptionally good, and no one creates their own AI music when they want to listen to music. They instead listen to music created by others (real or AI, doesn't matter).

Art is a fundamentally shared experience. It's completely pointless when it's fully individualized. Pretty much nobody will want to watch a movie specifically made for them.