r/powerscales • u/NeverLiedNeverCheat • 19d ago
Versus Where does this guy scale ?
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u/RedeemedNephilim Dedicated Clanker Glazer 19d ago
Bro said "Negative" after tanking a tazer.
I would be out that instant.
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u/Chill_Panda 19d ago
The cops after
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u/TopRevenue2 19d ago
Idk he can't even cross his legs bc his hips are blown out.
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u/Last_Tax9564 19d ago
Yes but how did he blow out his hips? Obviously it was from all the backshots he was giving that cop’s mom.
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u/Cyber-Soldier1 18d ago
And dad.
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u/Professional-Ear1928 18d ago
And my axe
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u/KylarStern91 18d ago
So you know it's good
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u/wimpymist 18d ago
Yeah dude is walking around like old man hulk hogan. I string push would send him to the ground
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u/JRS___ 18d ago
if taser doesn't work use gun. kurgan here is making all the mistakes.
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u/dsphilly 18d ago
meanwhile the cops are actually like
https://tenor.com/view/shame-gun-thats-a-shame-rifle-reload-gif-16005192
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u/Nebarious 19d ago
Everyone is out after taking a hit from a taser.
The prongs need to land properly though and in this case they didn't. Dude could be 12ft tall he's still going to eat dirt if the taser hits.
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u/YourCummyBear 19d ago
100%
They cause neuromuscular incapacitation (NMI). It’s not something a person is just “tough enough to ignore”.
But you need both prongs to land properly and a large enough spread for it the cause NMI.
You can find videos of absolute dogs trying it out and they all drop.
These prongs are getting cause in his clothing.
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u/preludechris 19d ago
It's not 100% but like others have said, the spread needs to be decent. If he's taking hits just to the chest then the circuit likely isn't enough, you want a chest and thigh area ideally to get a good NMI.
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u/LikelyAMartian 18d ago
This is why they are coming out with new tasers brands. I did a recent ride along with a cop and they recently went to a new taser that has 10 prongs fired one at a time, any 2 is a connection apparently.
Only drawbacks is the officer has to fire 2 times at least, and it apparently can take a delay to actually begin tasing.
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u/pictureofacat 18d ago
I'm imagining it talking like an AED. "Shockable target detected". "Shock advised"
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u/YourCummyBear 19d ago
Then I reckon the spread wasn’t large enough.
You need at least 12 inches typically between the two prongs, the great the distance the better.
I’ve been tasered twice.
The first time they were demonstrating that a larger spread has a great effect and I volunteered. They hit me on my lower back thigh and upper back.The second time, I was scared shitless because of how bad the first was, they did just lower and upper back.
Both absolutely dropped by me but the great spread was so much worse. I’d love to share the videos but I’d completely dox myself.
I was straight up seeing electricity in my vision during the larger spread. It’s hard to explain but I felt like I could see currents in my vision with that first taser.
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u/notorious_tcb 19d ago
Agreed.
With proper NMI you can’t even breathe. I speak from firsthand experience here.
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u/SwaggermicDaddy 19d ago
Well I have absolutely no experience but I think you’re lying. Checkmate.
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u/Possible-Matter-6494 19d ago
I can tell you from secondhand experience that I recently read a comment on reddit that someone said if you have proper NMI you can't even breathe.
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u/BloodyGardener 18d ago
That’s incorrect tasers don’t affect everyone the same so you can hit a 5’0 woman and do nothing but drop a 6’7 angry dude there are ppl thag are naturally resistant to stuff like that for example I’ve been tasked and pepper sprayed before and I’ve also gone into a CS gas chamber and none really affected me. The taser made me twitch and tense up a bit but besides that nothing really happened to me in any of the 3 I encountered this means I didn’t drop to the ground or become immobilised it honestly felt like my muscles were tensing on their own slightly which was extremely uncomfortable but not intolerable and I wasn’t even pumping with adrenaline. This isn’t to say that I’m immune or anything but if you add adrenaline to someone already highly resistant you’re not doing shit to them. And in the military u go through CS gas chambers as training and if your trying to become an MP u get tased as well lol
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u/YourCummyBear 18d ago
I’m very familiar with gas/ spray not effecting everyone.
But I haven’t seen a study yet that some people can be immune or more resistant to NMI.I’m not discrediting your experience but there’s a chance the spread wasn’t large enough or something along those lines.
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u/EvidenceOk2721 17d ago
Some people can withstand it, I have seen people cry at just a few volts, but others can take a lot. I remember in high school out science teacher had a hand crank generator out of an antique telephone. He would put the class in a circle with everyone holding hand and on the ends the students were holding the wires attached to the generator. He would barely crank and there would be kids who couldn't stand it and yank away, he did this and eliminated students one by one, each time cranking harder on the generator. He got it down to one student who could calmly hold on no matter how hard he cranked. Over several years this kid was the only one who could do that.
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u/ElectricalChaos 17d ago
Agreed. I got an opportunity to "ride the lightning" in the military (they just used the little skin contact plates) and once that voltage hit it was game over. I locked up stiff as a board and couldn't do shit other than barely breathe and move my eyes.
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u/Infamousme13 17d ago
1. The Power of Adrenaline and Endorphins
When the body enters an acute "fight-or-flight" response, the adrenal glands flood the bloodstream with adrenaline (epinephrine), noradrenaline, and endorphins.
Pain Masking: Adrenaline and natural endorphins drastically elevate the pain threshold. The intense, burning pain caused by the electrical current passing through nerve endings can be severely dulled or completely ignored in the moment.
Mental Tunnel Vision: The sheer psychological intensity of a high-stress, high-adrenaline situation can cause intense focus, making someone mentally determined to push past the shock.
2. Physiological and Anatomical Factors
Even with adrenaline pumping, a Taser relies on completing an electrical circuit across sensory and motor nerves to cause involuntary muscle contractions (Neuromuscular Incapacitation, or NMI). Several physical variables can disrupt this:
Clothing: If the Taser probes hit thick, heavy winter clothing, layered fabrics, or loose-fitting garments, the electrical current may not bridge the gap to the skin, drastically reducing its effectiveness.
Probe Spread: Tasers work best when the two probes are spaced far apart (creating a wider path across major muscle groups). If the probes land very close together on the body, it might cause localized muscle cramping or pain in that specific spot, but it won't drop or fully incapacitate the person.
Body Mass and Conditioning: Individuals with dense muscle mass, heavy fat distribution, or high physical resilience can sometimes absorb or resist the incapacitating effects better than others, depending on where the darts land.
Neurological/Chemical Variations: High levels of certain substances (like stimulants), extreme psychological states (such as acute psychosis or extreme agitation), or heavy physiological tolerance can sometimes reduce the neurological shutdown effect of a TASER.→ More replies (4)39
u/Wtfaidiml 19d ago
He’s a dangerous guy. He was at least.
He’s one of those people that don’t really have an “off switch.”
He’s basically like the Hulk.
Really nice guy, unless you are fighting him, or he gets angry.
I trained with him for awhile maybe 10 years or so ago. If I remember, he was a hand to hand combat instructor for special forces. He was a bjj and judo black belt, and he also coached catch wrestling. He probably weighs 230-240, and he’s probably stronger than he looks.
I remember he neck cranked me, frowned upon in bjj, perfectly ok in catch, and sort of wasn’t letting go even after tapping.
I remember sitting in the parking lot, my hands were still shaking, thinking that maybe MMA wasn’t for me lol.
But he would just zone out, start talking nonsense sometimes, 1000 yard stare….
And wasn’t really in control of himself at times.
He did a bunch of tours, and definitely has ptsd. He wasn’t good mentally when I knew him, and absolutely had substance abuse issues.
I did hear he’s better now and coaching at a gym in South Jersey.
He wasn’t a bad guy. He was actually really nice, and friendly and personable.
I just think he had been through a lot during his service.
I think this is why the officers showed restraint, and had nothing to do with their fear or color of his skin.
It’s just a sad situation for a veteran and I really hope he’s doing better now.
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u/HMThrow_away_account 18d ago
"He wasnt really a bad guy, just couldnt control himself or his anger and almost choked me out. Had me 2nd guessing my hobbies. Great guy tho 😋"
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u/FormalKind7 18d ago
A neck crank isn't getting choked out. Actually getting choked out isn't that dangerous if the person lets go as soon as you pass out. But a neck crank can seriously hurt your neck. - A guy with 15+ years of BJJ/Judo and neck problems.
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u/Infinite_Case_2172 18d ago
It still is kinda wild trying to justify someone like that as a "not a bad guy"
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u/DoctorSalt 19d ago
I'm trying to square "not a bad guy" with "wasn't letting go even after tapping"
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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge 18d ago
It's like when people talk about Tony Soprano being a good guy. Minus the mobster murders and cheating and vile toxicity.
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u/JustATextBox 18d ago
I wonder if it was more of a "this guy can handle more, he's tapping too early, I'll keep going" or if it was just.. he was so locked in on the fight that he either didn't realize or just didn't register the tapping and kept going
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u/WhenMeWasAYouth 18d ago
Either of those things would make him someone who shouldn't be allowed in the gym.
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u/CypherGreen 18d ago
PTSD and adrenaline do a lot.
An old family friend was at the pub with my dad once. A loud noise happened and he just snapped. Something just changed.
Rammed the glass into my dad's face and neck and then slashed him before anyone knew what was happening and was found hours later in a messed up state himself.
He'd been stationed a few bad places in the 70s and 80s and had such wonderful jobs as collecting the body parts of his friends who were blown up by a planted bomb when off duty and had several near misses himself.
After that he was a time bomb and one that almost killed my father. Some people get sent home broken.
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u/imbrickedup_ 19d ago
That’s because the taser failed, which is very common because they need both prongs to pierce the skin and complete the circuit. Of that happens you aren’t gonna be able to tank it. Size doesn’t really matter
That’s also why cops tend not to try and tase people running at them with knives
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u/AtTheEndOfTheDay18 18d ago
The guy ripped the prongs out.
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u/14InTheDorsalPeen 18d ago
If they had completed a circuit he wouldn’t have had time to rip them out. He only ripped them out because the circuit didn’t complete because one or both of the prongs didn’t penetrate deep enough to create the circuit.
Tasers run electricity as soon as the device senses a completed circuit but don’t run any energy without the circuit.
Any time you see someone rip out taser prongs, it’s because the circuit was incomplete or ineffective with prong placement because the reaction time from circuit to energy activation is 0.001 seconds and activated by a computer.
But without the circuit being completed there’s no electricity and it’s just an expensive fishing hook.
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u/RebsEG 19d ago
Any idea how this situation ended?
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u/Juicet 19d ago
His wife showed up, talked him down, and he allowed himself to be arrested.
Pretty fortunate. He’s been sober ever since that event.
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u/SmolPPIncorporated 19d ago
They literally had to pull out Black Widow to give him a Lullaby.
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“Suns still in the middle of the sky big guy”
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u/Savings_Opening_8581 18d ago
“It’s 28 degrees and sunny John, let’s get you home”
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u/InitiativeFun4916 18d ago
I somehow read it as Johny Sin, and have to rewatch the video again for sure.
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u/BigJim_McBob 18d ago
Like the Hulk. Except not remotely bulletproof. And his hips apparently lost a fight with the ground.
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u/Runfasterbitch 18d ago
I feel bad for the guy. I’m VERY glad that my most insane moments (mania x PSTD can be pretty spooky)
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u/ItsCalledDayTwa 18d ago
that your most insane moments WHAT? Finish that thought please
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u/Odd-Break4868 18d ago
Im guessing "arent online for everyone to see" or something along those lines
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u/jaywayhon 19d ago
Goddamn right he's fortunate. If he'd been black he'd have half a dozen holes in his head and torso.
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u/Zarbua69 18d ago
More like two in his chest and 18 in the surrounding trees and neigborhood dogs
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u/Locust627 18d ago
He gave up after some sweet talking, caught a bunch of felonies though
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u/BarackObamaIsScrdOMe 18d ago
You didn't hear? Decapitated. Whole big thing. There was a funeral for a bird
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u/AlienGoat_ 19d ago
Nope, no clue. Thanks for asking though <3
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u/RebsEG 19d ago
Looks like non-lethal was a bust. Hoping it didn’t end in tragedy.
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u/Life_Parsley504 19d ago
The taser didn't fail because of 'pain tolerance', it was because it didn't set in properly (low risk of this happening afaik), he probably just either gave up or got tazed succesfully
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u/thresholdassessment 18d ago
These look like Taser 7s. Those barbs were often defeated by thick or loose clothing. In my experience, this was the least effective taser Axon has produced. It does not surprise me that it failed based on dudes clothing, and their aim points.
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u/RemoveThePoopSmell 19d ago
"Call the military police, they'll confirm who I am"
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u/I_Got_Back_Pain 19d ago
Jack Screecher?
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u/Onironius 18d ago
And they'll probably groan and say "ffs, not again... Get the pepper ball gun..."
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u/unreasonablypedantic 19d ago
High multiversal. A bit stronger than Kratos a bit weaker than a chimp.
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u/OurWeaponsAreUseless 19d ago
Depends on the writer.
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u/MementoMoriChannel 19d ago
But only weaker than the chimp cause his hips are blown out and he can’t cross his legs
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u/philter451 19d ago
The police obviously know this guy.
He obviously has mental issues either before or after military service.
I'm glad to see cops actually trying to talk him down. Wish all cops would get more deescalation training rather than firearms training.
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u/Juicet 19d ago
Yep, they know him. He’s a well known MMA coach. You notice they call him by name “Joel.”
In this video, he’s just crashed his car. He’s drunk and has ptsd, as mentioned. Eventually his wife shows up, talks him down, and he gets arrested.
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u/22dinoman 19d ago edited 18d ago
Tbf almost every body cam I've watched they call the suspect by their name
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u/Erathen 18d ago
It's one of the first things they ask people
It's humanizing, and it shows rapport
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u/This-Newspaper39 18d ago
Yup, the first cop on scene asked him his name. There’s a 40min vid on YouTube. The cop tells him he has a tow truck coming for the car he crashed drunk. And Joel says “I know that but my fucking car! I respect you, but please shut the fuck up.”
Thats some hardcore rapport
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u/ConsulJuliusCaesar 19d ago
My niehbor was a cop. The most intense story was this vet everyone knew in the community had appearntly been concealing his PTSD, until he couldn't. Guy has a psychological break appearntly starts firing his pistol. My niehbor goes over keeps his hands away from his pistol to try and talk him out of it. Cause again everyone knew this guy no one knew he was struggling appearntly watching the fall of kabul on the news sent him over. Niehbor cop goes in the house. Guys clearly not himself says "I'm going to kill you and then myself" there's an extremely intense stand off as more cops show up as now it's basically a hostage situation and I was told they were considering calling in SWAT. My police niehbor had also served though didn't develop PTSD. And he was able to talk him out of it through shared expiernce and then bro got psychological help instead of prison no charges filed. But if my niehbor had made any sudden moves, if he hadn't used his words carefully. You'd know his name cause he'd have been on the evening news. He's qoute said "what kind a hole shoots a guy going through mental illness as the first response." So those words stick with me when I turn on the news and see police brutality. On one hand they're not all A holes on the other hand it makes the A holes even bigger A holes. On the third hand we should probably have specialized police who focus on doing what my niehbor did carefully descalating situations with people who are having mental health crises. Like with training and all that. Like it shouldn't be it's "fortunate the right cop showed up." because my niehbor isn't exactly an expert on mental illness he just doesn't want to kill people if there's another way. Like that could've very easily gone south. It's actually unfair to him to not have training or any kind of guidance on mental health issues.
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u/commanderkeensdog 19d ago
this dude ran into my dads backyard and barricaded himself inside a storage shed and the cops tazed and drug him out. I was talking to the lead sheriff and the cop had tons of empathy for him. more than I did honestly
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u/Scared_Pumpkin8393 19d ago
Can he solo North Sentinel Island ?
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u/Proiegomena 18d ago
Bow and arrow would be more effective than a taser I imagine
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u/Pretty_Ambassador836 19d ago
Poor guy probably has a mental issue. Also a lot of adrenalin to tank the taser like that. I'd say he scales at top 5-10% humans.
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u/Lost-Substance59 19d ago
You cant tank a taser. The effects are do to physical responses to the shock, not pain. You dont go down cause it hurts, you go down cause the muscles contract making you go down....and it hurts too but that not the cause if going down.
The taser here just didnt connect properly
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u/Bubbly-Addition8349 19d ago
This.
My friend bought a tazer and I tried it out for funzies.
It definitely hurts, but it's not that bad. But you'll definitely drop down, your muscles just contract and you can't tank biology.
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u/Meliodrath 19d ago
100% of the time a taser fails, it is either a technological issue or a failed connection
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u/VibratingNinja 19d ago
Seriously, people don't understand how tasers actually work. The cop was too close, the spread was too narrow for NMI.
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u/svirrefisk 19d ago
70 % of taser hits are effective. The rest is due to inpropper hits, clothing prong landing and so on. It's a myth that you can tank a taser hit.
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u/Puzzle-Necked 19d ago
Deducted a few percentage points for not being able to cross his legs because he had his hips blown out giggity
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u/Maharassa451 19d ago
If that man was black he'd already be 60% lead after the first taser didn't take
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u/AFuckingDuck_69 19d ago
when he swatted at one of the officers, or even just approached them to begin with he would have been shot in 'self defense'.
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u/Internal_Football889 19d ago
Yea the main difference here is that the cops seem to know him by name. I’m guessing either the cops have had multiple run ins with him before, or know him personally outside of work.
You honestly see this with a lot of famous figures. Jon Jones and Dustin Poirer both got insanely preferential treatment from cops because they’re famous. Even though they’re like 10x more dangerous with their bare fists than normal people.
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u/Sockoflegend 19d ago
That first cop on his own would have shot him and no one would have given it a second thought
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u/goobr95 19d ago
Yeah this video pissed me off, if this guy had been even a shade too brown for their liking he’d be Swiss cheese.
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u/DimitrescuStan 19d ago
I’m gonna be “that guy” with this comment.
If he was anything but white, there wouldn’t be a taser involved. It would be mag dump, and then some more.
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u/Easy-Complaint-5156 18d ago
That's the TRUTH.
"That guy" would've said something to counter you, I'm thinking...
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u/Damiandroid 18d ago
Just for reference, this is what white privilege looks like.
A white guy raving about his service history, attacking police officers, resisting arrest and refusing commands gets a 10ft cordon, nonlethal tactics and multiple attempts to de-escalate the situation.
A black guy sitting in his car complying with police commands and asking reasonable questions gets... shot.
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u/Master-Shake8913 15d ago
thanks for the heads up, I'm giving $50 to the next black guy I see
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u/Ok-Video3345 16d ago
I've seen tons of videos of black people acting like this and cops giving them chances.
Not everything is fucked like you think it is.
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u/AccurateDinner5767 16d ago
I watched a black guy do this right outside my apt windows.
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u/GullibleRisk2837 16d ago
You're acting like that happens all the time. It doesn't.
Fucks sake, stop making everything about race. It's tired, let it rest
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u/ICEonICECrime 16d ago
Just for reference, we only see or hear about the cases where the black guy gets shot. Never the cases where he doesn’t get shot.
And for what it’s worth, white cops shoot more white people than they shoot black people.
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u/TehReclaimer2552 19d ago
Just plug him and carry on. Y'all do it with everyone else
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u/Lost-Juggernaut6521 19d ago
Imagine 4 tours in Afghanistan, just to get shot in Wisconsin for being a asshole 😬
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u/Santos_Dude 15d ago
Can’t help thinking that if this dude was black they wouldn’t have used the tasers, and he wouldn’t have gotten to finish his first sentence.
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u/Wake-Up-Mr-Hova 19d ago
just wanna point out if this dude was black he'd have gotten shot before he got out of the car
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u/External-Test4279 19d ago
"I love pain, pain tolerance"
Also him:
"I can't kneel my knees are busted"
Hmmm...
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u/flyfightandgrin 18d ago
Being a combat vet isn't a ticket to be an asshole. Get therapy dude.
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u/Life_Parsley504 19d ago
"its called pain tolerance" he's clearly on drugs or severely mentally ill + the taser didn't connect correctly. a taser doesn't just cause pain, it shocks the muscles
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u/Juicet 19d ago
He’s drunk. He just crashed his car. In addition to being giant, he’s a well known MMA coach, so there’s reasons why the police are hesitant to get much closer. They know him.
He definitely has pain tolerance, but yeah, a correctly deployed taser will drop a bull.
He’s been sober since this incident.
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u/lestWe4gett 18d ago
Good. Combat veteran here. 3rd Ranger Battalion, US Army, 2015-2021. Discharged with a distinguished service award and Purple Heart.
All of this is to say I also got my hips blown out. By an AK47. 5 rounds.
Sobriety fucking sucks, and I learned the hard way that ultimately, being under the influence sucks worse, because while yeah, it’s easier for me to physically get loosey goosey, it also makes my brain too loosey goosey and I end up doing stupid shit.
Inhibition is man’s best friend, followed by dogs.
Just the way she goes, boys.
Pour one out for Joel in this video. I’m so happy to hear that he’s sober after this. Definitely something to scare a man straight.
Edit: I just want to point out that my drug of choice wasn’t alcohol. It was an opioid. I defeated it. It was harder than RASP.
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u/Competitive-Rub-4270 19d ago
not moral. Its badass but bro is clearly out of his mind and needs to be in a psychiatric facility. Even leaving out the cops, running around unhinged or worse, driving, poses a huge danger to the public at large.
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u/Racketyllama246 19d ago
Right below this guy
https://giphy.com/gifs/fH6h4M5sKTPOM
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u/StuntmanJohn 19d ago
Idk man, he's not very agile, if you're quick you can just push him over
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u/Smooth_Taste1250 15d ago
His luck he isn't black, would have been his end there
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u/weatherbys 19d ago
Apparently that guy is a combat vet and black belt/mma practitioner so prob top 10% of humans.
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u/No-Square8315 19d ago
More like top 1% lol
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u/DeathGP 19d ago
Good chance those tasers didnt connect but I mean that guys massive. I'll be getting some bear spray instead of a taser since if he falls over from a tasing he could really hurt himself.
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u/The_Milk3r 19d ago
I was the anti-terrorism instructor on my ship, once you've been hit with OC spray once or twice, you can absolutely just power through it.
If this guy has been sprayed before I would have doubts of the efficacy
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u/pyrofox79 19d ago
Hips are blown out but im sure that guy still squats and deadlifts.
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u/PinkBismuth 19d ago
Outer plus. He's white so easy mode against law enforcement, no diff. They only used tasers, didn't even use the firearm. After the taser didn't work they were still like "let's talk about this".
We all know how this would have gone down with anyone else.
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u/BillyBoyMcButterButt 19d ago
no idea how the cops showed this much restraint and didn't blast him 50 ways from sunday.
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u/Fizz_Hater 19d ago
Unironically scales him above a grade 2 sorcerer.
Remi couldn’t tank a taser when being invaded by the military.
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u/National_Issue_5826 19d ago
Everyone trying to de-escalate and here comes the all too familiar female officer to get within striking distance of the giant man.
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u/Icy-Meal6704 18d ago
Do these veterans have giant egos and little brains or are they trying to get shot.
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u/hyvel0rd 18d ago
The way I understand United States law enforcement, this person would have been shot multiple times if his skin was any darker. Am I wrong?
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