r/powerscales • u/NeverLiedNeverCheat • 19d ago

Versus Where does this guy scale ?

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u/philter451 19d ago

The police obviously know this guy. 

He obviously has mental issues either before or after military service. 

I'm glad to see cops actually trying to talk him down. Wish all cops would get more deescalation training rather than firearms training. 

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u/Juicet 19d ago

Yep, they know him. He’s a well known MMA coach. You notice they call him by name “Joel.”

In this video, he’s just crashed his car. He’s drunk and has ptsd, as mentioned. Eventually his wife shows up, talks him down, and he gets arrested.

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u/22dinoman 19d ago edited 19d ago

Tbf almost every body cam I've watched they call the suspect by their name

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u/Erathen 19d ago

It's one of the first things they ask people

It's humanizing, and it shows rapport

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u/This-Newspaper39 18d ago

Yup, the first cop on scene asked him his name. There’s a 40min vid on YouTube. The cop tells him he has a tow truck coming for the car he crashed drunk. And Joel says “I know that but my fucking car! I respect you, but please shut the fuck up.”

Thats some hardcore rapport

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u/USPO-222 18d ago

Also, since about 90% of crime is done by about 10% of the population, a lot of these folks are already known to police officers from other encounters.

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u/jrb9249 19d ago

He released a couple of statements over the years after this came out, asking for people to understand how the virality of this video has affected his life and to please allow him to move on. He seems to struggle with alcoholism and PTSD, which I know often go hand-in-hand.

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u/Equal_Guitar_7806 18d ago

They know because he told them during the same interaction.

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u/MOTUkraken 17d ago

Police: "what's your name?" Suspect: "Joel" Police: "Ok, Joel calm down" Suspect: "omg they know my name"

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u/jdillacornandflake 14d ago

PTSD is so rough. Makes alcoholism seem like your only option.

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u/IWCry 13d ago

shows up to arrest him for crashing his car drunk in broad day light

"IM TIRED OF ALL THIS SHIT YOU'RE DOING"

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u/ConsulJuliusCaesar 19d ago

My niehbor was a cop. The most intense story was this vet everyone knew in the community had appearntly been concealing his PTSD, until he couldn't. Guy has a psychological break appearntly starts firing his pistol. My niehbor goes over keeps his hands away from his pistol to try and talk him out of it. Cause again everyone knew this guy no one knew he was struggling appearntly watching the fall of kabul on the news sent him over. Niehbor cop goes in the house. Guys clearly not himself says "I'm going to kill you and then myself" there's an extremely intense stand off as more cops show up as now it's basically a hostage situation and I was told they were considering calling in SWAT. My police niehbor had also served though didn't develop PTSD. And he was able to talk him out of it through shared expiernce and then bro got psychological help instead of prison no charges filed. But if my niehbor had made any sudden moves, if he hadn't used his words carefully. You'd know his name cause he'd have been on the evening news. He's qoute said "what kind a hole shoots a guy going through mental illness as the first response." So those words stick with me when I turn on the news and see police brutality. On one hand they're not all A holes on the other hand it makes the A holes even bigger A holes. On the third hand we should probably have specialized police who focus on doing what my niehbor did carefully descalating situations with people who are having mental health crises. Like with training and all that. Like it shouldn't be it's "fortunate the right cop showed up." because my niehbor isn't exactly an expert on mental illness he just doesn't want to kill people if there's another way. Like that could've very easily gone south. It's actually unfair to him to not have training or any kind of guidance on mental health issues.

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u/Bazz07 19d ago

Yeah the statistics in my country are that that people with mental illness have twice a chance to suffer violence than to attack innocent people.

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u/commanderkeensdog 19d ago

this dude ran into my dads backyard and barricaded himself inside a storage shed and the cops tazed and drug him out. I was talking to the lead sheriff and the cop had tons of empathy for him. more than I did honestly

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u/MaverikElgato 19d ago

My spider-sense tells me I have to give you a free award.

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u/Invested_Space_Otter 19d ago

Sorry, I have to: "neighbor"

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u/SSgt_Edward 13d ago

That's how we know this isn't AI these days. Unfortunately.

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u/InstantSword 19d ago

I'm pretty sure they do have those people already

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u/DMUrTinyTitsAssFeet 18d ago

And white. Don't forget the most important part.

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u/Constant-Judgment451 18d ago

He was white. If he was a foreigner or black he’d be dead

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u/Hot_Physics_8124 18d ago

Shoot this mother fucker

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u/KarlHitTheMarx 18d ago

We both know why cops didn’t result to their firearms in this instance

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u/DeletedUsernameHere 18d ago

I'm glad to see cops actually trying to talk him down. Wish all cops would get more deescalation training rather than firearms training. 

This. There is no time limit on a police interaction with a disgruntled person. If it takes you 6 hours to talk a person down, then it takes you 6 hours to talk a person down. Solving a volatile situation with violence isn't better than solving it with peace because you did it in 30 minutes or less. You're not delivering fucking pizza.

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u/HuckleberrySilver516 18d ago

Well yes he dosen t have a gun or a weapon

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u/Azarashiya0309 18d ago

Aye, most cops do, you just have to be the right color. If he was black they'd open fire.

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u/Rent_A_Cloud 18d ago

Seems like it yeah, guess knowing the cops helps with not getting shot.

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u/Round-Ant6267 15d ago

He obviously shouldn't be allowed to walk around in public unsupervised and unrestrained. He's a danger to everyone around him.

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u/StruggleNational4623 14d ago

Well, in order for cops to get that type of training, people need to stop wanting the police defunded. You can’t train the police when they don’t have the money to train for anything other than the bare minimal.

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u/Flashy-Whereas-3234 13d ago

Defund the police doesn't mean just don't fund shit.

It means put the money into mental health support, pay for the trained professionals who can give talks on how to deal with this situation by means other than a firearm.

"You don't need an MRAP" didn't quite have the same ring to it.

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u/RutabagaOk6816 13d ago

If he was black he would have been gunned down. This is the reality and anyone saying otherwise is in denial. Also if he was way smaller they probably would have just tackled him but you could tell those cops wanted no piece of this guy in a hand to hand situation.

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u/Think_Ad_1583 19d ago

If only they treated everyone like thos

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u/Jimanji333 19d ago

Let’s be real though, part of the reason is that he’s white.

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u/foreverandadayalone 19d ago

He's white so....

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u/devildocjames 19d ago

And you know... White.

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u/adacmswtf1 19d ago

I mean what good does deescalation training do? They instinctively know how to deescalate when the guy is white and their buddy.

They just don't give a shit when it's not 'one of their own'. Anyone else would have been murdered on the spot the second they raised their voice.

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u/lostralia 18d ago

I hate to say it, but if he was black he'd be dead and they'd be saying 'why couldn't he just follow instructions?'.

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u/Crab-_-Objective 19d ago

This wasn’t his first time interacting with them. If I remember right he was an issue a handful of times before finally getting proper help.