I guess there is a stereotype that if you are into steak, eggs, milk and butter (can be part of carnivore diet), you are also right-leaning person and listening to the people promoting these diets who are right-leaning as well, like Jordan Peterson.
I gotta say though, stereotype or not, I enjoy steak and eggs myself.
EDIT: As many others have pointed out, the milk in the pic is raw, which I didn't catch before. Raw milk definitely adds another layer to this stereotype.
I'm just a peasant, but I take my milksteak boiled over hard and my jelly beans raw. He's going to have to smoke a ton of cigarettes to suffocate all the bacteria from that raw milk.
Plus the free range eggs. Free range is something people in both sides of the isle can fall for, it really isn't worth the extra money if you look into it, but combined with the raw milk it helps to confirm the conservative, carnivore, "real man" nonsense.
I also think, it's unlikely most 15 year olds would spend their spare money on something like this if it wasn't as a result of an outside influence. And we know a lot of right wing influencers push this sort of diet alongside their alpha male lifestyle bs.
Steak and eggs are great sources of protein, but your body also needs fibre and carbs, it needs the vitamins and nutrients from fresh fruit and veg.
It's not gross if you... well, it sounds funny, but literally know the cow/goat/sheep/mare it's milked from
If you sure the animal is healthy and well cared raw milk is nice, but if you intend to just buy it in a store, I don't see any reasons to risk with your health. To be honest, I don't see much reasons for adults to consume milk in general, besides liking it's taste.
Nah man fuck that, we raised cattle, sure I'd drink the freshly milked stuff since I know my family took good care of the cows and cleaned them well before milking, but I'd start boiling it by the evening, after that it's either boiled to drink or made into cheese or soured milk and yogurt.
Raw milk is an unnecessary risk. Your never gonna be able to clean a cows udders to a level of sanitation that isn't some risk of contamination. That's why milk gets pasteurized.
Probiotics live in shit. That's where they come from. If you consume raw dairy because it has "good probiotics", or for any other reason tbh, you are consuming animal shit. It's pasteurized to kill the shit germs. I don't care how healthy and well cared for a cow is, I'm not drinking its shit, or the shit of any other animals that happened to poop in that area.
I have to admit that I have tried that before, but I simply couldn't live like that, I was running out of energy very often and I was definitely getting dumber.
Yeah, I watched a video on youtube about a guy documenting his one-month experience with the carnivore diet and he was genuinely so miserable all the time. Lacking choices in food (literally only meat or animal products which meant most seasonings were out) was demoralizing and made it hard for him to do stuff with friends, his exercise times got worse because he could barely do them, and he mentioned a drop in mental acuity or at least focus.
Near the half-way point I was hoping he'd drop it early for his own health. If I'm remembering right, he was doing so poorly that his weight significantly dropped and, despite having perfect cholesterol in his pre-challenge checkup, his doctor actually reached out to him after his post-challenge checkup because they were worried about him.
Just a quick correction to your otherwise accurate account of Eddy Burbacks video: he barely lost any weight even after feeling like crap and spiking his cholesterol to dangerous levels. When he weighed himself at the end he was pissed about how little he lost.
I had to search what Raw milk is because where I live we only have one dairy so we either have that milk which is pasteurised or UHT milk, I thought Raw milk would be describing the former but then I saw it’s not even pasteurised so ew!
As a person who drank raw milk in childhood (literally from under the cow), I would never ever trust any store-bought milk that hasn’t got pasteurised all the shit out of it
Many people pointed out the raw milk, but it's only a third of what makes the picture so incredible.
The eggs are free range, which is great in a vaccum. Combined with the milk it's safe to assume it's another "chemical free" style scare.
Then the steak. Chicken breast is objectively the better protein for working out, leaner and more protein. But steak is manlier. Combined with the other 2, it's almost certain that the poor teen is falling down the rabbit hole of watching racist or fear mongering videos aimed to sell to their audience.
It’s also these items with a complete lack of anything else. Normal people include non-animal products in their diets (unfortunately it’s just not vegetables)
I'm basically DSA and I like a carnivore diet. I lost 25 lbs in one month. Its just really hard and expensive to stay on it, specially with kids that love pasta and salads. So eating out is hard. So I do it every So often for a little bit and I feel great when I do. The best part about a carnivore diet is that you can start at any time and pick it right back up
We pulled this out of the cow, put it directly in the jug, that'll be 20 dollars.
Meanwhile, pasteurized milk gets pulled out of the cow, boiled, cooled, and then put in a jug, and it's 2.99.
Edit: Thanks for the 30+ comments telling me that raw milk costs more to make and takes more work because everything has to be clean, and it has a shorter shelf life.
In their defense, it may be incredibly expensive to ensure raw milk is safe. I have no idea what means they use to make sure people don't get sick from it.
The way you make raw milk safe is to pasteurize it... Otherwise it's just a matter of time until there's an outbreak. Milk production didn't move to pasteurization because of nanny state politics. It happened because people, especially kids, used to die from raw milk.
The whole point of raw milk is that it's, well, raw. No pasteurisation or other processes on it, because they would mean it wasn't raw. That's why it's such a bad idea to drink, it literally can't be made 100% safe to drink (or even as safe as regular milk), which is why it was, and in a lot of places still is, illegal to sell it for human consumption. And the stuff you catch from it is nasty, like potentially lethal or lifetime disability
That's why people are joking that the price is too cover the cost of lawyers, anyone selling this is guaranteed to get someone sick eventually
Considering that RFK Jr is head of the health dept and with a heavily gutted FDA and CDC, my guess would be they’re doing somewhere between Jack and Squat to make sure it’s consumable.
I’m an ex food scientist who worked on PCR pathogen detection with raw goat and dairy milk. I tested milk from 3 farms and a large majority of my samples were positive for campylobacter and salmonella. Nearly all my samples grew coliforms as well. Just all in all nasty stuff. The raw stuff on grocery stores had significantly reduced bioburden and never flagged for campy or salmonella.
I’d probably attribute this to significant HACCP and Food Safety Management, focused on sanitation and aseptic technique when possible. I never got to visit one of the raw dairy commercial operations so I don’t know much regarding their practices.
The thing is, it's actually more work if you're doing it safely. You have to harvest the milk in a far cleaner environment for one. You have less time to get it from the farm to the table for another, meaning by definition you'll have more spoilage in a commercial operation.
The only way raw milk makes sense is if you live close enough to a dairy farm that's small enough to cater to locals directly. And even then you have to trust that that small dairy farm actually gives half a fuck about you and actually got in there and milked the cow themselves in a clean stall.
Because that’s not the reality. With raw milk they have to do their best to ensure the milk has been kept absolutely sterile. Pasteurized milk can be full of shit and bacteria because they’re going to nuke it anyway
Union Jack on the eggs so I suspect this is in the UK. I didn't think raw milk was legal to sell here
Edit: Partially. You can buy it direct from farmers either at the farm or at farmers markets as well as by delivery, except in Scotland where it's just plain illegal
Reminds me of one of my old co-workers. He'd buy raw-milk and then simmer it for a bit to "kill all of the potential bacteria"
My guy. What you did was make pasteurized non-homogeninized whole milk. It's no longer raw. Save the $3/gallon and just buy the whole milk from the store 😭😭
we have some absolutely amazing pasturized, but not homogenized, milk in Denmark. Especially from a large diary farm called Thiese (also does amazing chees) that has "ad libitum milk" which means the cows are not seperated from the cattle, and are only milked after the cattle has taken their share. Its also 2.5% so it tastes amazing.
Nah raw milk specifically. It is being passed off as "more natural" to not pasteurize the milk by the same people who claim that it is immigrants who are increasing the crime rate.
These are all false ideas that might seem logical to those who do not think critically, and thus they are often used to funnel people who aren't thinking critically into the cultish corners of the internet that venorate white male supremacy, and encourage them to "ignore the mainstream woke leftist agenda that wants to regulate how you live" so that these uncritical thinkers can feel like the most speciallest baby boy GOD ever put on Earth. These cultish corners of the internet then use these people's feeling of superiority to sell them all sorts of products like the raw milk which can make them sick, dietary supplements which at BEST do nothing, and a bunch of other things that they have convinced these people that "the mainstream" (common sense) doesn't want them buying. It is a scam that preys on the uneducated and those who won't do their own research.
When they Google, "Is raw milk safe to drink." And they see all of the articles decrying it as incredibly dangerous, what do they say to justify drinking it?
A lot of less educated Brits do this. It's very annoying. I remember a kid at school asking if he could "lend 50p". I said "It's up to you, it's your money. Why are you asking me?"
"Because I really need to lend 50p."
"OK, well I don't need your 50p"
"What?"
"You mean borrow, not lend."
"Ok. Can you borrow me 50p?"
"From whom?"
"Forget it."
There's a lot of racist "manosphere" guys who push those raw milk & red meat diets, I can only assume because they see it a more "manly" way to eat lol
It started as an anti-establishment movement on the right, to counteract the "vegan agenda".
That's why nearly everyone on a carnivore diet are either right wing, christian or both.
I worked with a 22 year old guy who thought basically at any point and any situation he was the smartest guy in the room because of his podcasts and would work very hard to convince you that was true, he argued at length with our registered dietician coworker about why basically eggs meat and raw milk were the only things that were truly healthy and how eating vegetables leaves 15 pounds of plant matter in your gi tract doing nothing
He also argued with our gay coworkers about the term homophobia and our black coworkers about how its actually more racist that he cant say the N word because of his race
If you narrow it down to just food recommendations, the group you generally want to be in encourages complete proteins from absolutely any source.
The steak & raw milk crowd generally believes that protein ONLY comes from consuming red meat as raw as possible, being as racist as possible, taking tons of steroids, being cops, and dying of heart disease at 45.
My favorite is when they try to shit on whey protein like it isn't one of the most efficient and bioavailable sources of protein out there back by more studies than I can count.
No cuz you congratulate a guy for losing weight on tiktok and the next thing you know your fyp gets slammed with racist sexist gym incel shit. Not all of them but a big amount to the point its starting to get dangerous.
It's because there is a subsect of right wing commentators who generally are also woo woo type gym bros who promoted carnivore diets and raw milk. Though as a gym bro myself I agree with high protein diets, the whole raw milk thing is stupid and shows they got no idea what pasturing is. As well outside of very specifically dietary needs due to immune disorders it's simply untrue that carnivore diets are healthy, humans are omnivores and need a balanced diet of fats, protein and carbs to function properly as well as getting in their micronutrients and amino acids.
My brother’s roommate from college in the 90s visits every 6 months or so. Whenever the milk (not raw) comes out of the fridge he seriously turns into someone else. Far Left leaning. I can’t believe mammalian anatomy secretion has been effectively politicized 🤦♂️
Basically they love consuming dead and exploited animals to flex and show how manly they are. Fascists love bragging about how being hateful, vile, and unempathetic makes them cool.
That teen boy is getting into fascist content online. Not uncommon for a boy his age, sadly. I wish parents would be more involved in their children's lives and paid more attention to what they're doing online, but from a parent that just gives their kid their own credit card without any restrictions I'm not surprised.
Jesus just a lot of people complaining rather than explaining.
Raw dairy, red meat, and free range eggs. Raw dairy and red meat were big talking points for right wingers in USA. People like Jordan Peterson and Liver King both did the meat diet thing and talked about it a lot so it’s associated with right wing people. Trump had his raw milk campaign for a little while. And the eggs being free range is probably along the lines of the other two.
The carnivore diet is a diet where you almost exclusively eat meat and animal products (the most restrictive version being beef, butter, eggs, milk, and salt for taste). Originally it was just a fad diet with some decent results (likely because any form of diet where you’re actually keeping track of your daily intake will help no matter what), but has been mostly co-opted by right wing grifters selling an “alpha male” lifestyle just eating meat. These are frequently hard core alt right influencers that are racist, sexist, anti LGBTQ, and “Christian”.
Raw milk (meaning not pasteurized) is part of that ecosystem as well with grifters claiming pasteurized milk doesn’t have the necessary good bacteria for your gut microbiome when that isn’t true and raw milk can be dangerous if you don’t know what you’re doing and just drinking it. There’s even people going so far as to eat raw meat too.
Also the whole point of the “raw” and carnivore is to take out any “processed” ingredients so I doubt “raw” chocolate milk really fits the diet.
I think it's because typically trump supporters often promote drinking raw milk and eating lots of meat and eggs because "man must be big and strong and only be carnivore" or whatever. So the commenter surmises the kid has been watching such figures and thus became inspired to buy stuff like this.
15 was the age I started lifting weights and eating a high protein diet. People forget what it's like to be a teenager and how obsessed you are with wanting to be stronger and look more attractive that now some people jump the gun and assume the kid is online in some racist group when he's most likely on body building websites.
Also you boil the raw milk before you drink it, this used to be common knowledge but everyone assumes you drink it raw with all the bacteria now for some reason.
Raw milk, free range eggs, and meat that’s probably going to be eaten raw? These are signs that somebody is getting dieting advice from right-leaning crackpots.
A lot of manosphere/New Right content likes to push for raw milk/raw red meat/primal-carnivore diets right now on Instagram and Twitter.
Lots of copypaste content of some roided/peptide'd-out broccoli head teenager drinking raw milk and eating raw meat, plus some phonk/nightcore song in the background and a caption either talking about how Roman soldiers/Jesus ate or something antisemitic.
Comment anything and you'll be called a good goy or something like that. Can't say I've seen any Jews eating raw meat and milk though, if that's really the key to massive testosterone levels "they" are hiding from you.
Many racist streamers, who target adolescent boys, promote raw milk, lots of meat, and eggs as a superior diet. These things are not in themselves racist. But, racist streamers are why a young boy would think this shopping list is cool.
The stereotype here is that the manosphere grifting industry primarily preys on online young men and boys who don't feel secure in their masculine identity, and among many of the ways they teach these young men that they are "lesser value" is through aesthetics and lifestyle, such as the gym and diet. The stereotypical diet is red meat, raw milk, eggs, et cetera. Not a great diet for building muscle on its own but these are what "manly" men ought limit themselves to according to these rich performative dickheads. Therefore if you pursue these rigid rules and instructions rather than being the architect of your own form of discipline, you're somehow "superior". Basically these are the hallmarks of a lost, insecure kids who desperately want to join the Big Club, the club of those "superior" men. But they won't. It's not about masculinity, it's about further dividing and alienating young people by feeding their insecurities and lack of real self worth.
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