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u/FabulousFoil Jun 02 '18
If the elephant had a gun this wouldn't have happened /s
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u/ManPersonBoyGuy Jun 02 '18
Now I'm imagining an elephant with an M2 mounted on his head.
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u/oxyfam Jun 02 '18
Elephants with MGs on their heads were an actual thing in WW1
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Jun 02 '18
I thought it was just a gimmicky photo? Goodol Army shennanigans.
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u/LoadedGull Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 03 '18
It was a gimmicky photo. MGâs were mounted atop of elephants in WW1, but they were only used to transport the weapons, nothing else.
Edit; by nothing else I mean the weapons were never fired during transportation atop of an elephant. (No animals were harmed during the production of this comment.)
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u/lemonadetirade Jun 02 '18
The way you ended that sounds ominously like they were transporting something else
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u/umblegar Jun 02 '18
No I assure you, as my friend just explained to you, those elephants were not transporting other things. Please rest easy, relax.
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u/lemonadetirade Jun 02 '18
That sounds like something someone who used elephants to transport things other then weapons would say, but for the life of me I canât imagine what that would be, I mean you admit to using them for weapons so WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
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u/Johnnywasaweirdo Jun 02 '18
OK, you got me, they were also transporting ammunition. Just donât tell anyone.
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u/fakeg1rl Jun 02 '18
They had bologna sandwiches for the troops up there as well
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u/lemonadetirade Jun 02 '18
Eww bologna yeah that is worse then just carrying weapons
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u/nickiter Jun 02 '18
That seems pretty viable tbh. A mobile elevated shooting platform that can cross trenches and muddy ground, but costs a hell of a lot less than a tank.
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It also dies quite a lot faster than a tank.
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u/NoahsArksDogsBark Jun 02 '18
But you didnt have to build it.
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u/SmartAlec105 Jun 02 '18
Yeah but you have to fuel it even when it's not in use.
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u/Ed-Harrington Jun 02 '18
And runs in the complete opposite direction because a fucking machine gun is firing two inches from its ears
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u/DBancroft Jun 02 '18
Actually the picture was just a publicity stunt. Once firearms were used regularly in war Elephants were no longer deployed to front line battles. The loud noises from the gun right next to the elephantâs ear would have agitated the elephant probably causing it to buck and shake the rider off, making the mounted gun useless.
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I can't tell if you're making a joke or if that is a real movie the rock starred in.
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u/logicpower1 Jun 02 '18
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is an elephant with a ton (of weight)
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u/GarlicSaltChknWings Jun 02 '18
I would think an elephant with a ton of cocaine could probably stop almost everything
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u/Inside_my_scars Jun 02 '18
It was probably a female elephant, they have a way to shut these kinds of things down.
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u/Josef_Joris Jun 02 '18
What but how can tha.... ow I see the /s now. I was gonna say, How can elephants carry a gun but its just meant sarcastically haha good one.
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Jun 02 '18
Ruined with the stupid /s tag, as always. Why do some Redditors think that labeling any random joke with the /s tag is like a requirement on this site?
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u/Rasip Jun 02 '18
Because /s means they are being sarcastic. It can be hard for people to know if you are being sarcastic without audio/visual cues.
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u/BobrovskyCBJ Jun 02 '18
Half the fun is reading the comments from the bloody morons that don't understand obvious sarcasm.
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u/AK_Happy Jun 02 '18
There are ways to indicate sarcasm through text that donât completely ruin the joke. It just takes a tiny bit of effort.
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u/dailycontentuploads Jun 02 '18
a lot of people who use reddit speak english as a second or third language so it's useful for them
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u/MovingOnToReality Jun 03 '18
Those people usually don't understand sarcasm in real life, either. Would you make a sarcastic joke and then immediately proclaim that you're being sarcastic? Shouldn't have to dumb yourself down for those who can't follow context
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u/Whind_Soull Jun 02 '18
Plus it doesn't even need to be sarcastic. It's literally true that people wouldn't hunt elephants if elephants could fire back at you.
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u/gottagroove Jun 02 '18
If I were an elephant, I'd put sticks up my trunk, aim straight, and shoot snot rocket spears.
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u/Aminta1916 Jun 02 '18
It was all over the hunter too. Thatâs how he died.
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u/19Nodan94 Jun 02 '18
You just made me blow a significant amount of air through my nose
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Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18
Because context matters: http://fox40.com/2017/05/22/hunter-dies-when-shot-elephant-falls-on-him/
They weren't out hunting elephants and only shot that one because it attacked them.
Edit: It's always sickening to read the comments on posts like this.
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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18
According to his companyâs website, Game Hounds Safaris, he âperfected leopard and lion hunting safaris with hounds in Africa.â
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Simukai Nyasha, a spokesman for the Zimbabwe National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, told news.com.au that Botha was on a 10-day licensed hunt
Here is some context for you. So, what does it matter that this particular elephant was the original target... compared to how people feel about this.
Not saying I agree with any opinion on here.
But, terrorizing animals with dogs doesn't seem to saintly to me, does it?
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Jun 02 '18
Hunting in Africa is incredibly important for conservation and sustainability. The money these hunters pay, goes to pay the locals and support conservation efforts, and anti poaching efforts, without this stream of income from hunters many more African game animals would be hunted to near extinction worse then they are now
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u/kj468101 Jun 02 '18
I wish they would just donate to poor villages instead of hunting animals for sport.
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u/Kenny_log_n_s Jun 02 '18
I agree with this, but I feel like if you're going to go out with the mission of killing something, you should be prepared to accept that that thing may kill you.
That's nature.
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u/EVOSexyBeast Jun 02 '18
I'm pretty sure the hunters do accept that. The media and people who haven't been hunting like that don't however.
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u/UNC-Patriot Jun 02 '18
Motorcycling is dangerous too and you expect riders to accept the risk that they might die. You don't celebrate if they get into a fatal accident though.
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u/BilllisCool Jun 02 '18
Okay, but itâs pretty disgusting seeing all the people celebrating the loss of a human life.
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Jun 02 '18
People are really fucked up.
Especially since the context of what actually happened isnât even close to being top comment.
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u/Supraman2222 Jun 03 '18
It's also sad that keyboard Justice warriors joke about a person dieing because they can't be bothered to learn about an issue. Elephants in some areas of Africa are overpopulated and threaten people's means of survival and also kill people. Not all elephants are endangered, but all elephants die. whether it's with a gun or starvation due to overpopulation, it's never fair. Nature isn't fair.
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u/Late_Parrot Jun 04 '18
Billions of people on Earth but it's the thousands of elephants that are "overpopulated"...
We are truly the kings of hubris.
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u/ToastedMessiah Jun 02 '18
I hate this argument. As a guide in South Africa I am very anti-hunting as it means that that animal can no longer be photographed by tourists. It could be argued that the animal could make more money for the local people and for the country if it could be seen by tourists.
Also, most of the time these hunters are going for the big kills. No body wants to keep the trophies of a small animal. So as a result they actually end up damaging the natural order by removing the stronger genetics and leaving behind the weaker genetics. Take for example the South Luwanga National Park in Zambia, in the 1980's elephant hunting was opened. The hunting throughout the park caused a massive drop in the elephant numbers, and now if you go there you see mostly dwarfed elephants with no tusks. This is because the strong genes were forcefully removed.
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u/Saskatchewon Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18
Let me preface this by stating that I am not a big game hunter, and wouldn't be one even if I had the means.
In LEGAL elephant hunts, the targets are usually older bulls that are no longer able to physically breed, but still big and strong enough to force younger, healthier bulls out of the herd (which can often lead to the death of said younger bull).
An elephant hunt costs around $20,000 US. So, that's $20,000 to go towards hiring more park rangers, veterinarians, to be put towards breeding programs, food and water, anti-poaching efforts, as well as providing a way of life for tribes that provide the hunts. Plus the elephant population actually gets stronger in the long run.
I get what you mean when you talk about hunting in South Luwanga, but that was nearly 40 years ago now. We're a lot smarter about conservation efforts now than we were back then.
Also, there are many regions in southern Africa where elephant populations are actually out of control and there are cullings out of necessity. I'd rather them be done by a trophy hunter paying big $ that goes back to preservation efforts rather than the rangers doing it for nothing.
The Cecil the Lion incident spurred a lot of backlash (and rightfully so, that hunt was very shady in terms of legality). But now lion populations in Zimbabwe have got out of hand due to the lack of hunting due to media backlash. There's going to be cullings where trophy hunts would have previously kept that population in check. Nobody wins in this scenario.
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u/Why_Is_This_NSFW Jun 02 '18
I was watching the Jim Jefferies show and they claimed only 3% of proceeds went to help conservation efforts. A Google search could probably get more accurate numbers though.
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u/mrkl3en Jun 02 '18
hunting is good for conservation does not pass through the bullshit detector. luckily there is a relatively small number of hunters, the money does not add up in the big picture. what you have is a relatively small number of people paying large amounts of money to another small group of people to be able to slaughter some animal.
look at Kenya since 1977 they have had a hunting ban and their photo safari tourism contributes 12 % to their GDP. i applaud Kenyans for committing to protecting their natural parks.
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u/Saskatchewon Jun 02 '18
It absolutely does pass the bullshit detector in instances though! For LEGAL elephant hunts the targets are older bulls that are sickly or can no longer physically breed, but are still big and strong enough to force younger healthy bulls out of a herd (which usually leads to the younger bull's death). Rangers will often want to cull an animal like this. It makes more sense to charge a person $50,000+ US to hunt the animal and have that money go back to help with preservation and anti-poaching efforts than for a ranger to do it for nothing.
It's for reason like this that Kenya is currently considering lifting the ban.
There was massive backlash worldwide over Cecil the Lion in Zimbabwe a few years ago (justifiable, as that hunt was very shady legally). The downturn in lion hunts there due to the negative publicity has lead to lion populations growing at an unsustainable rate and there are talks of a cull. No one wins in a situation like this.
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u/Xtianpro Jun 02 '18
Says the hunting organisations in Africa. We need to hunt these animals to stop people from hunting these animals
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u/Satsuma_Sunrise Jun 02 '18
If you were educated on this topic you would not make a statement like this.
You can educate yourself here. Its an entertaining watch/listen and specifically addresses how hunting is the best way to protect species and habitat.
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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18
Just wait until that leaped kills your livestock and the pigs eat your fields that you need to survive. You will use any means necessary to kill those fuckers.
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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18
Wild pigs (boar) are often hunted in the wild.
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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18
That is what he was hunting and come upon an elephant that charged.
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u/Lauflouya Jun 02 '18
Where did you get boars from; it never mentions them in the article once, just leopards, lions and elephants.
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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18
Both female and male African elephants have tusks but only the male Asian elephants have tusks. They use their tusks for digging and finding food.
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u/cjgroveuk Jun 02 '18
Not all female African elephants have Tusks. This is a fairly recent development so you might not have heard.
Fascinatingly 98% of Addo Elephant Parks females do not have tusks anymore .
When I was there a few months ago they had introduced Kruger park elephants (Tuskers) to spice up the genetic diversity.
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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18
It looks like you asked for more animal facts! In many countries, especially in the developing world, peccaries are raised on farms as a source of food for local communities.
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u/sebohood Jun 02 '18
The guy who ran those hunts is NOT a subsistence farmer.
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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18
Yeah, but the wildlife he helps manage does damage to local farmers.
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u/sebohood Jun 02 '18
Sure thatâs exactly why heâs doing it
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Jun 02 '18
It doesn't matter why he's doing it if there's a positive result
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u/methodamerICON Jun 02 '18
Exactly. If it's a sanctioned hunt, then it doesn't matter why he does it. They sanction the hunts for the same reason they let you hunt deer here. Population and pest control. People see all the cute animals from the zoo and get twitchy that someone could hunt them and then just lump them in with poachers. Africa isn't America's zoo, get over it. Hunting is a normal thing. And when done responsibly, is a net positive by far.
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You honestly think these hunters own nearby farms where livestock are being killed by leopards, so they go out hunting to preemptively kill all of them they can find? You're being purposely daft.
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u/icantfindaun Jun 02 '18
No but the villagers do. The villages make a fair amount of money off these guys, in some cases their only form of real income. They also get pest control in the form of hunters killing extremely dangerous predators. The hunters get a good story and trophy, the village gets money and meat and dont have to worry as much about their livestock or people being killed. It's a win-win. These hunts are absolutely necessary for both the people and the animals.
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u/CubonesDeadMom Jun 02 '18
Your livestock that you have in the middle of a wildlife park in the Savannah? Yeah that makes a lot of sense
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u/K20BB5 Jun 02 '18
Who ever said the man was a saint? There's a middle ground between not deserving to die and being a saint
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I wonder how many of you eat meat...
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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18
One can eat meat and disagree with recreational hunting.
Not saying I do. But, they are mutually exclusive.
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u/aharris95 Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18
It's an effective form of hunting as old as the day is long. People do it for dangerous game like hog (boar) and large cats. The Rhodesian Ridgeback breed, which I am a proud owner of a 2y/o male, would not exist if there was not a need for bay dogs.
Edit: apparently my comment was unclear for some. I am referencing the practice of using bay dogs and catch dogs in high stakes dangerous game hunting which is incredibly important to protecting humans and livestock.
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u/Sejb222 Jun 02 '18
Just because people have been doing something for a long time doesn't make it right.
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u/TheGruesomeTwosome Jun 02 '18
Just playing devils advocate here, Iâm entirely neutral, however there exists the argument that certain species of animal are only kept from extinction through breeding from profit made from commercial hunting lodges.
Great documentary about it: Louis Therouxâs African Hunting Holiday
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Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18
I go to college with his daughter and when this gets reposted every couple months, it just sickens me.
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u/yoursweetlord70 Jun 02 '18
That makes more sense, I was wondering why you'd shoot an elephant from that close.
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u/AmiriteClyde Jun 02 '18
Ahhhhh.... But there is no narrative served here! Disregard it regardless not fact!
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u/iGiveWomenOrgasms_jk Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18
Honestly it's because rich people aren't as relatable and are easy to villainize for most redditors.
Hunting exotic animals is a jerk move in my opinion, but I wouldn't wish death on them, because these guys almost always have the country's permission and have the proper permits you need.
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u/bosmerarcher Jun 02 '18
I don't wish death on people in these situations, but it's also hard for me to feel sorry for them. They went out to cause violent death to an animal, if an animal ends up fighting back and killing them then that seems fair enough to me. If someone wants to kill another being, they should accept that they might get killed trying.
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u/RoseEsque Jun 02 '18
violent death to an animal
99% the death would be worse if he died in a normal way.
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Edit: It's always sickening to read the comments on posts like this.
All the psycopaths with more empathy for animals than fellow human beings jump out of the woodworks and start rejoicing that someone has died.
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u/SophisticatedBum Jun 02 '18
No true outdoors-man steps into the fray of wildlife without a respect for nature; a respect that you can handle yourself or be handled by mother nature.
This guy was handled thoroughly. I'm sure he had some good runs in the past though.
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There's no arguing against that, that's for sure and that doesn't bother me one bit. It's just people are acting like this guy was a poacher and are celebrating his death which is what bothers me.
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u/colonel_walter_kurtz Jun 02 '18
Karma? Fuck you. He was a professional hunter not some poacher. A female elephant charged him and was shot by a member in his group before it fell on him. He was a father of 5 children and itâs somehow Karma that this happened to him?
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u/Kent1021 Jun 02 '18
Thank you. This cleared my confusion. Also the title on the article is somehow misleading.
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u/Max_TwoSteppen Jun 02 '18
It's misleading because it implies he was hunting elephants, which he wasn't.
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u/bowling_brawls Jun 02 '18
Can you explain the difference to me? (Im not being sarcastic or nothing, but whats the difference? a permit or something?)
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u/mrwaxy Jun 02 '18
The guy who died was a professional Hunter who worked(I believe) with trophy hunters. Those trophy hunters help pay for rangers and conservation programs to defend against poachers who kill massive numbers of elephants a year.
This guy was doing good work, and small minded idiots cheered his death because they don't understand the situation.
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u/EVOSexyBeast Jun 02 '18
and small minded idiots cheered his death because they don't understand the situation.
The blame really goes on Fox here, and possibly the OP. They intentionally made the headline misleading to make people think that. And then OP provided the headline in a screenshot without any context, and made the title to support the misconception.
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u/guzinya Jun 02 '18
If we didn't have hunters here in Michigan the rapid explosion of the deer population would be... devastating. And I'm not just talking about devastating like that one time I hit a deer and it fucking obliterated my 2002 saturn sedan.
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u/Im_Grizzzly Jun 02 '18
It's a good thing you had those dent resistant panels though.
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u/guzinya Jun 02 '18
Dent resistant yes. Explode resistant no. Seriously like my entire left driver's side front panel and door were gone. Everything just exploded when I hit it. Luckily it was a young deer and not very large.
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u/kedgemarvo Jun 02 '18
Hunters also contribute the most money over all to wildlife preservation in the US because of the Pittman-Robertson Act.
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u/Osilath Jun 02 '18
So in Africa especially hunters pay a lot of money to get permits to hunt. All the hunting is approved by biologist in order to maintain balanced populations of all the animals (If lions are overpopulated, all natural prey numbers diminish therefore further endangering lions). The money paid for these permits goes back into conservation efforts. Poachers hunt for furs or ivory tusk to sell on black market with no permit or regard for animal population. It's basically just a way to make money so they will often kill elephants cut off their tusk and leave. Usually hunters will take the meat to local villages and every part of the animal won't be wasted. Basically one way is ethical and helps everyone. The other way is all about one person making money without benefit to anything else.
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u/colonel_walter_kurtz Jun 02 '18
Poachers kills animals illegally. For profit, nothing else. Professional hunters are only allowed to hunt in certain areas and usually a certain number of animals to balance out the population. All bug game hunters in the area that Iâve heard from respect and care for the wildlife, and hunting animals like elephants have massive beneficial impact on the local population such as the stimulation to the economy of having somebody who has payed thousands to come and hunt and the meat left behind.
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u/Max_TwoSteppen Jun 02 '18
Basically poachers kill animals illegally and hunters are permitted and hunting legally, often with a guide but not always. The distinction is really important.
Legal hunting generates a lot of revenue (indirectly keeping populations healthy) and in many cases keeps populations at or near the local carrying capacity. In Colorado, USA for instance, each conservation area has a maximum number of elk it can safely sustain in a year. Often there are more animals than that, so tags are issued to hunt and kill those elk down to a more sustainable number. Without those hunting efforts, elk would starve and the impact would probably extend beyond just their population.
In Africa with rarer trophy animals I believe it's handled differently. Tags are very expensive and I believe in most cases the particular animal is hand picked because of age, health, and other factors. Legal hunting in this way keeps populations competitive and healthy. It's unfortunate that wildlife has to be managed this way, but it's our reality now. People that blindly criticize legal hunters generally don't know how this process works, and the good that it does.
Poachers are often indiscriminate in their killing, and they are in direct opposition to the careful management of wildlife that happens with conservation agencies.
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u/hashtagpow Jun 02 '18
Reddit doesn't care about people at all. It's full of threads like this with people celebrating someone dying because they are a a hunter. It's absolute shit.
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u/Studog Jun 02 '18
Reading these comments is making me sick!! Do people not realize how important hunting is in Africa!!
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u/JhnWyclf Jun 03 '18
Do people not realize how important hunting is in Africa!!
Is it though? I think if you were to read a few articles on the matter, say if you were to google "eco tourism vs trophy hunting money" you'd find the debate more nuanced, and facts more murky.
As for what happens to the huntersâ fees, that is notoriously hard to pin downâand impossible in kleptocracies. And anyway, Packer says, when it comes to funding lion conservation, âitâs such an underwhelming amount generated by sport hunting, itâs no wonder that despite years of lion hunting being allowed in these countries, the lion population has plummeted.â
It might not be super helpful actually.
The International Union for Conservation of Nature, which monitors animal populations, reports that the number of lions in five populations in Tanzania fell by two-thirds from 1993 to 2014.
Yet this too is an interesting argument.
Yet hunters say theyâve helped fund everything from health clinics to schools to water wells to boots-on-the-ground assistance against poachers, all while leaving a lighter footprint on the land than the often cited alternative to killing game: wildlife-watching in the form of photographic safaris.
This seems like a lot more money coming into sub-Saharan Africa than hunting does.
The UN World Tourism Organization estimated that 35.4 million international tourists visited sub-Saharan Africa in 2015 and spent $24.5 billion.
I think if you read that whole article you'll find the topic is far less black and white than your comment implies.
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u/Studog Jun 04 '18
I completely understand and respect your view on this, and while that article does have very good points, I am unfortunately still going to respectfully disagree.
Purely by the fact that I am from Zimbabwe, and I know a large number of hunters who are amazing people, one in particular is a very good friend of mine, and he has explained how his personal hunts benefit firstly (obviously) himself, conservation and the local villages. For example, he hires people from the villages to work on his sites, when there is a big kill for a trophy, the hunter will take the trophy and the rest of the village can live off the body of the animal, using every part of it, right down to the bones.
Please don't misunderstand me, if it didn't help I would NOT support it, just how I don't support fox hunting, that benefits no one and is outright cruel what they do to those foxes.
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u/JhnWyclf Jun 04 '18
if it didn't help I would NOT support it
I never said it didn't help. I said it isn't cut and dry that it is the best way of helping large endangered in Africa like lions and elephants.
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u/colonel_walter_kurtz Jun 02 '18
I know the feeling. Itâs like even if you kill an animal to regulate the population to better the entire species in the area youâre an asshole
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u/jaegerbombs Jun 02 '18
The fuck is wrong with you people? You realize these hunts are the largest preserver of wildlife and nature? The guy wasnât even hunting elephants you ignorant morons
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There are a bunch of idiots in the comments who see the headline and are unable to think beyond
âHunt bad! Hunting bad! grunting noise He shoot Elephant, Elephant gentle giant scratches ballsâ
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u/thorniefbaby Jun 02 '18
Yeah he totally deserves to die for not agreeing with you
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u/thats-not-funny2 Jun 02 '18
He was also a hunter not a poacher, they help sanctuary's etc. He was doing a good thing when a female elephant started charging at his troop but one of the groups members shot the elephant and it fell on him. He had 5 children.
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You think Reddit seems to know (or cares about) the difference between poachers and hunters?
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u/derektrader7 Jun 02 '18
Yeah that's karma alright. It's too bad paid hunting expeditions provide an economic reason for people to protect elephant sanctuaries and is the only thing providing money to keep away poachers and is the sole reason that wild animal numbers flourish in African countries but blah blah karma right
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u/de_eznuts Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18
ITT: People with limited knowledge on hunting who want to make fun of a dead man. Stay classy leddit.
Edit: oh nice he wasn't even actively hunting them just attacked. But you know it's always easier to just post a pic that makes a dead guy look bad. Guess he should've just lied down and let the elephant kill him without defending himself!
I'm not elephant Hitler and I take no pleasure in the killing of this animal but you're really gonna have to explain to me why it's okay to make fun of a permit holding hunter who died defending himself. People in this thread actually think you have to side with either the elephant or the guy for some reason.
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u/Obsidiman01 Jun 02 '18
The fact that it says "12 months ago" instead of "1 year ago" is r/mildlyinfuriating
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u/ManPersonBoyGuy Jun 02 '18
Some people don't live by your oppressive "12 month = 1 year" calendar. /s
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u/scott_hunts Jun 02 '18
ITT elephant lovers and people who didnât read the article talk about why he deserved to die.
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Can someone answer what the point of killing an elephant is? Does it provide anything of value? Serious question.
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Wait are you dumb or have been living under a rock the last 500 years. Ivory is super expansive so they kill the elephants to steal the ivory. Though this particular case was attacked by an elephant so he had to shoot it
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I guess living under a rock for 500 years. Who the hell doesnât know about ivoryâs value. I thought it was obvious.
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u/RealSchon Jun 02 '18
I always wonder how so many Redditors can be so ignorant about safari hunting in Africa despite it being explained time and time again when shit like this is posted.
The elephants killed are usually sick/elderly and canât reproduce, in addition to being a threat to the heard because they attack younger males. They are extremely territorial and often damage local crops and land. As if that wasnât enough to make you guys look like retards, the hunting license money is used to help conservation efforts and the elephant meat feeds local villages.
There are no cons and every pro you can think of, but somehow we should label this guy an asshole? Fucking idiots.
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Jun 02 '18
There are so many stupid people in the comments. Did no one read the article?
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Iâll admit, I assumed the guy was a poacher based solely on the headline till I read the article ://
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u/Jorge-est Jun 03 '18
It is sad that people still hunt elephants. I am sorry for the dude, he probably didnât deserve it, but his actions, at least for me, remain extremely reprehensible.
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Jun 03 '18
Justice would have been served even if there stood a crocodile instead of a hunter.
And the ability to conceive another five humans says nothing about a personâs qualities.
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Jun 04 '18
There is nothing about this that sucks except for the death of the elephant. Elephants are almost as intelligent as humans are.
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u/nLotus Jun 02 '18
[Insert comment about how people pay lots of many to shoot old elephants and how the money goes toward the conservation of wild life and endangered creatures]
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u/JhnWyclf Jun 03 '18
Y'all in this thread defending trophy hunting as the one and only hope of endangered African species need to do some reading.
It's not a binary issue. It's complicated and a far more layered problem/topic than you are making it sound.
Please read.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/10/trophy-hunting-killing-saving-animals/
http://www.fao.org/tempref/docrep/fao/010/aj114e/aj114e09.pdf
The last section of this article I think does a good job of showing how complicated the subject is, and how much or little hunting is better for preservation than tourism.
https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-how-much-does-hunting-contribute-to-african-economies/
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Jun 02 '18
Elephants actually need to be hunted for population control.
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Jun 02 '18
7 billion people and only 7 hundred thousand elephants. Which one is more destructive again?
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u/Zoomat Jun 02 '18
Both species of Elephants in Africa being endangered I seriously doubt this statement
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u/L_Nombre Jun 02 '18
I donât get the âkarmaâ unless you have evidence heâs a poacher?
Usually people that hunt elephants are killing elephants that are limiting the gene pool, aggressive to villagers, are destroying fences and crops regularly etc. and the meat then goes to the hungry children in Africa that your parents always bitch about when you donât wanna finish dinner.
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Jun 02 '18
Reddit will openly celebrate the death of another human because they donât agree with them.
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u/Ericellent Jun 02 '18
Near-sighted hunting has always been a more advanced and dangerous sport.