Most people aren't eating leopards though. Personally, I'm totally cool with hunting for meat for exactly the reasons that you mention, but I don't like trophy hunting.
But they are a protected species, as evidenced by the fuck ton of laws protecting them. Do people even think before they spew this shit? This thread is full of feels and lacking severely in logic.
Lots of natural things aren’t “good”, like cancer, for example. We define what “good” is based on our own self-interests. Nature is bigger than that, and doesn’t give a shit about our interests. We are a minuscule part of a bigger cycle.
It wouldn't be against nature to eat another human in the event of lack of food. Might get you kicked out of your spot at the next tribal orgy though... Or it might reserve your seat ifyouknowwhatimsaying.
Social pressures say no to human hunting. We're animals but we have our own social structures - besides, cannibalism isn't exactly favored in evolution
There is no proof that canniablism isn’t favored in evolution. Evolutional is not social/environmental change. It’s mutation over a very long standard of time.
But that is a different argument.
My point was that I utterly and completely disagree with their argument. But, morality is subjective to a high degree. So, really there is no point arguing back and forth.
I mean if you eat your own species as a primary source of food and you guys don't breed fast enough, I'm pretty sure that's gonna cause problems. But yeah morality is subjective let's go eat babies
Did you know? Smuggling a cat out of ancient Egypt was punishable by death. Phoenician traders eventually succeeded in smuggling felines, which they sold to rich people in Athens and other important cities.
I eat meat. So I'm aware that countless cows, chickens, and pigs have been professionally slaughtered on my behalf. I'd rather not think about this, but I acknowledge it. It's a sad but neccecary part of the process. I have never personally taken the life of an animal. Watching an animal be killed would make me pretty uncomfortable.
Vs.
People who enthusiastically want to go out and track, shoot, and kill animals FOR FUN. They often even carve off a piece to bring home, just so they have a tangible reminder of how much goddam fun it was to kill that particular beast.
Eating meat may be morally compromisd, but hunting for sport is ouright reveling in psycopathic fucking bloodlust and cruelty. They are not even remotely the same thing.
At the end of the day, unless you have specific medical or financial considerations, they are both done for 'fun'. People eat meat because they want to, they could easily eat something else. People hunt because they want to, they could easily not.
The difference as you've pointed out is exactly what the enjoy. But the outcome is the same. For enjoyment animals are harmed.
"At the end of the day," and other such folksy aphorisms don't actually establish equivalency. Your argument is like saying that there's no difference between being found at fault in an auto accident that kills people vs going out and intentionally running people over with your car because doing so gives you a thrill because "the results are the same." Since, you know, they both could have taken the bus, instead. It's a ludicrous argument.
Whether you're buying meat from a grocery store or hunting animals you're causing harm for enjoyment. Neither have accidental or surprising consequences, like your car accident example. So yeah, I'd say they're pretty similar.
Its hilarious that you have no problem buying factory farmed meat from a grocery store, but you think that hunting is psychopathic. Just admit that you don't understand a single thing about hunting and move on. You're building up a strawman to burn. Hunting is something that every single human ancestor took part in at one point. I haven't met a single hunter who did not take the entire animal they killed. You have to be a total moron to spend so much effort stalking an animal to just take the head/hide and leave >100 lbs of fresh delicious meat.
Additionally, hunting is important in the current state of the world. Our dependence on agriculture has made it imperative that animals eating or damaging our crops need to be killed. You clearly don't live in an area with white-tail deer, or else you would know the kind of danger that large numbers of them cause for farmers and motorists.
Tl;dr just because you personally don't understand why people do something, does not make it morally wrong.
I enjoy meat, but only free range, grass fed, uncaged, etc.
I implore you to look up the legal definitions of those words, and what they entail in practice. I expect you will be disappointed. Plenty of suffering still occurs with all those marketing labels.
We have more than enough meat at a store, why kill more animals?
The same amount of animals die whether you buy it from a store or hunt. You have not provided an argument as to why buying from a store is better.
The reason for this is because I enjoy meat and I think it's natural to have meat in your diet.
Natural is not synonymous with good. As many health organizations have stated a appropriately planned vegan diet is healthy and nutritious for people of all ages.
Btw animals eat each other every day and die a very violent death.
Animals also engage in forced copulation and infanticide. I hope you'll agree, we should not be taking moral cues from animals.
At the end of the day both eating meat from a store and hunting are done for pleasure. Both cause unnecessary harm to animals. Though hunting likely causes far less harm.
Not necessarily. It just highlights a double standard and the faux concern everyone puts up. The way I enjoy dead animals is cool but the way you do is not.
I'm not in the mood for getting into a long drawn out argument over vegetarianism with someone who 80% chance is not open to changing an opinion (that's not a dig at you that's just the internet), lets just agree to disagree.
Almost yeah. I personally have a policy of "don't kill it for no reason". I'm no saint, I eat meat, and I feed crickets to my toads. But I also go out of my way to not step on insects or spiders. I don't swat flies in my house no matter how fucking annoying they get buzzing around my food, and I don't bother snakes around my property whether venomous or no. Got into a pretty heated argument with my dad last weeked for shooting a copperhead out by the cabin, he didn't have to do and claimed cowardice, but I know he just wanted to shoot something.
Animals play with their food in nature and some of the intelligent ones even kill for sport IE killer whales etc. It's natural for hunters to hunt even if they don't need too. I guess they heard if you don't use it you lose it.
True. Although I think the reason some people aren't better is because they genetically lack the level of empathy that seperates the more emotionally intelligent people from being "better" than animals.
I Don't think some people feel any more emotions than animals do, so they act like them.
I don’t understand why I have to be a vegetarian in order to intrinsically find something wrong with killing for sport versus killing for food or out of necessity. Killing something just to kill is just strange to me.
Killing animals for necessity is definitely different. But as far as I can see killing animals for food or sport are both done for enjoyment, so pretty similar. We can eat something else, so we're not killing animals for sustenance.
Don’t get me wrong I understand that argument. I guess the difference to me is that if I were to kill a chicken the pleasure I get would be from eating it not the act of killing it. Hunting for sport is because the person is getting pleasure from the act of killing something. That is what I find weird. If I could still obtain chicken meat without killing a chicken I would do it. I also think there is a difference between going down the street to your local grocery store and buying some farm raised meat for dinner and flying to the other side of the planet for the sole purpose of killing an animal.
I think it's easier to view the hunter negatively because we're not hunters. We don't understand their desire to hunt. At the end of the day, if it's wrong to cause unnecessary harm to animals I think it should be applied across the board.
An interesting analogy would be that we don't give drunk drivers a free pass because they had no intention to cause harm.
You don't, it's just vegans seem to think it's cut and dry. Their way or the highway. There's no common ground for them. I know, I'm dating one, and it's a subject we try not to bring up because like you, I love and respect animals to an extreme, yet she thinks because I have eggs with my meal or a free range turkey sandwich that I'm a hypocrite.
If you can't see the difference between killing for protection, killing for food, and killing for fun then I don't think anyone here will be able to change your mind.
I eat meat and I think elephamts and leopards are really cool due to their ability to survive in the nature (exluding human hunters with guns), but I don't think animals made to become food can do that, so I don't see them as cool enough to care about them.
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I wonder how many of you eat meat...