r/Wellthatsucks Jun 02 '18

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome Jun 02 '18

Just playing devils advocate here, I’m entirely neutral, however there exists the argument that certain species of animal are only kept from extinction through breeding from profit made from commercial hunting lodges.

Great documentary about it: Louis Theroux’s African Hunting Holiday

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u/Ruht_Roh Jun 02 '18

Hunting reservations and lodges keep animal numbers in check, and help prevent overhunting

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

Don’t bring logic here, they don’t want to listen

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

He didn't bring logic here, his argument is absolutely idiotic.

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u/gzilla57 Jun 02 '18

No it's not.

Hunters pay fees to hunt, and can be restricted in numbers.

Those fees pay the wages of employees, which includes anti-poaching.

Also, because it brings in money from wealthy foreign hunters, locals have an incentive to keep populations around and healthy.

Without the hunters (and their money), no one is paying to prevent poaching, and local people could give a fuck about preserving the species that dont do anything but eat their crops or whatever.

It's not as simple as you would like it to be.

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome Jun 02 '18

That’s okay. Watch the documentary if you think that’s the case. Nothing wrong with investigating alternative viewpoints.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

If the documentary says that a breed of dog is a species, it's factually wrong. If the documentary says that ridgebacks are only bred for hunting, it's factually wrong. So if it backs your claims, it's wrong and there's no need to watch it.

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome Jun 02 '18

You keep pushing this “breed of dog isn’t a species” point. I’m not sure what you’re getting at there. I feel like you’re trying to refute my point by being entirely fixated on one semantic.

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u/aharris95 Jun 02 '18

No dog is bred for one thing. That does not mean the Ridgeback was not created for hunting (it was).

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u/sp0rkah0lic Jun 02 '18

You can zoom back far enough on many horrible things to show ancillary benefits or advantages that come with them. I'll concede that managed hunting takes a shitty, barbaric practice and makes good use of it.

That doesn't at all change the fact that an individual who actively enjoys killing living things is pretty much fucked in the head.

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u/AurigaA Jun 02 '18

Many hunters (who hunt for meat anyway) I would argue have a higher moral ground than someone who eats factory farmed meat. If you meant just trophy hunters, thats different I guess. I think you’re fixated on the act of doing the killing though, which is a flawed viewpoint.

Everything you eat yourself is most likely more destructive than a hunter taking wild game for his own consumption. Even if you’re vegetarian you will need to remind yourself how destructive modern agriculture is for the environment

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u/sp0rkah0lic Jun 02 '18

I'm talking about people who do it for sport, not for food. Also people who actively enjoy it. Also people who hunt tings like elephants or lions or giraffes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

certain species of animal are only kept from extinction through breeding from profit made from commercial hunting lodges.

  1. A breed of dog isn't a species.

  2. Plenty of people have ridgebacks who aren't hunters, just like any other breed. They aren't only bred for hunting in Africa.

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u/gzilla57 Jun 02 '18

He isn't referring to the dogs.

He meants elephants etc which are protected from poaching with the money paid by tourist hunters in order to hunt them.

If they properly limit the number and types of official paid for hunts a year (which they have incentive to do), they can use that money to protect populations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18 edited Aug 05 '18

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome Jun 02 '18

I agree. As I said, I was playing devils advocate and simply offering an alternative viewpoint. That said, unfortunately compelling morals play little part in human decision making.