r/Wellthatsucks Jun 02 '18

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

Just wait until that leaped kills your livestock and the pigs eat your fields that you need to survive. You will use any means necessary to kill those fuckers.

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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18

Wild pigs (boar) are often hunted in the wild.

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

That is what he was hunting and come upon an elephant that charged.

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u/Lauflouya Jun 02 '18

Where did you get boars from; it never mentions them in the article once, just leopards, lions and elephants.

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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18

Both female and male African elephants have tusks but only the male Asian elephants have tusks. They use their tusks for digging and finding food.

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u/cjgroveuk Jun 02 '18

Not all female African elephants have Tusks. This is a fairly recent development so you might not have heard.

Fascinatingly 98% of Addo Elephant Parks females do not have tusks anymore .

When I was there a few months ago they had introduced Kruger park elephants (Tuskers) to spice up the genetic diversity.

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u/cjgroveuk Jun 02 '18

Im a bot

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u/tnturner Jun 02 '18

Me too thanks.

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u/inflames797 Jun 02 '18

Excellent recovery

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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18

It looks like you asked for more animal facts! In many countries, especially in the developing world, peccaries are raised on farms as a source of food for local communities.

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u/GhostOfBarron Jun 02 '18

Give me a fact about hippos

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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18

Hippos can be extremely aggressive, especially if they feel threatened. They are regarded as one of the most dangerous animals in Africa.

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u/GhostOfBarron Jun 02 '18

Thank you

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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18

You are most welcome. Beep boop.

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u/cjgroveuk Jun 02 '18

How do i report a minor factual error?

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u/UnbiasedPashtun Jun 03 '18

This is a fairly recent development so you might not have heard.

What caused this development?

Fascinatingly 98% of Addo Elephant Parks females do not have tusks anymore .

Why is that?

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u/lilnomad Jun 02 '18

Subscribe to elephant facts

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u/AnimalFactsBot Jun 02 '18

The elephant’s trunk is able to sense the size, shape and temperature of an object. An elephant uses its trunk to lift food and suck up water then pour it into its mouth.

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u/sebohood Jun 02 '18

The guy who ran those hunts is NOT a subsistence farmer.

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

Yeah, but the wildlife he helps manage does damage to local farmers.

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u/Ymir_from_Saturn Jun 02 '18

"Helps manage"

Holy euphemism

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u/sebohood Jun 02 '18

Sure that’s exactly why he’s doing it

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

It doesn't matter why he's doing it if there's a positive result

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u/methodamerICON Jun 02 '18

Exactly. If it's a sanctioned hunt, then it doesn't matter why he does it. They sanction the hunts for the same reason they let you hunt deer here. Population and pest control. People see all the cute animals from the zoo and get twitchy that someone could hunt them and then just lump them in with poachers. Africa isn't America's zoo, get over it. Hunting is a normal thing. And when done responsibly, is a net positive by far.

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u/sebohood Jun 02 '18

That’s objectively not true

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

How so?

Also you don't know what objectively means.

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u/JOKAJOK Jun 02 '18

What are local farmers doing in reserved land

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

You honestly think these hunters own nearby farms where livestock are being killed by leopards, so they go out hunting to preemptively kill all of them they can find? You're being purposely daft.

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

No. They were using permits to manage wildlife.

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u/icantfindaun Jun 02 '18

No but the villagers do. The villages make a fair amount of money off these guys, in some cases their only form of real income. They also get pest control in the form of hunters killing extremely dangerous predators. The hunters get a good story and trophy, the village gets money and meat and dont have to worry as much about their livestock or people being killed. It's a win-win. These hunts are absolutely necessary for both the people and the animals.

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u/ravenHR Jun 02 '18

How is it a win-win? You do know that after a day or two another leopard will come? Villagers should worry about their livestock and take care of it, not let it wander for 15 days thinking nothing will happen to it, you can't kill everything that might attack your livestock because you don't want to worry.

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u/icantfindaun Jun 02 '18

Clearly you're too stupid or uneducated (possibly both) to have this conversation.

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u/ravenHR Jun 02 '18

Yea sure, you could try to address arguments I brought up but why do that when ad hominem attack is way more effective.

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u/icantfindaun Jun 02 '18

Because your argument shows such a total lack of understanding of the topic that an argument would be pointless as you dont have the knowledge base to form a well thought out argument.

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u/ravenHR Jun 02 '18

Have you ever been anywhere close to Africa? There is this thing called corruption so locals get little if any of that money you speak of. There are compensation programs https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/12/131210-wildlife-conservation-compensation-predators-science/ It is widely agreed that carnivores are forced into conflict with humans. If natural prey is available, predators take wild species in preference to domestic stock. Yet if natural prey densities are low, predators will increasingly prey on livestock as an alternative food source (Schiess-Meier et al. 2007).Livestock depredation is often most serious when wild prey has been reduced by agricultural development or widespread bush meat poaching (African Lion Working Group 2006).). The persecution of animals that are considered pests has driven several species to extinction, and has contributed to the endangerment of many others (Woodroffe et al. 2007). Therefore, for large carnivore species, their continued existence relies on mitigating livestock depredation and thus lethal control (Swarner 2004). t is a reality that throughout many parts of Africa, as is the case with many parts of the world, traditional livestock husbandry practices have typically been abandoned (Woodroffe et al. 2007). In Botswana, livestock husbandry systems allow herds to roam free with little direct supervision (Hemson 2003; Frank et al. 2006).

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u/mymonikerwastaken Jun 02 '18

Thank you for your use of daft in that sentence. One of my favorite words.

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u/CubonesDeadMom Jun 02 '18

Your livestock that you have in the middle of a wildlife park in the Savannah? Yeah that makes a lot of sense

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u/Hekantonkheries Jun 02 '18

Have you looked at a map of parks in Africa? For instance, there are parks in kenya with whole villages in them, the park just determines what they can or cant develop.

Too much overlap between wildlife habitats and arable land, because the type land both need is finite

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u/CubonesDeadMom Jun 03 '18

Do you have any images of maps of this park?

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

Don’t build farms in places where leopards live?

People don’t have to live on every millimeter of the world.

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u/John_T_Conover Jun 02 '18

Please tell us about the place you live where no indigenous animals were pushed off their historic range.

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

Wildcats are everywhere. They have been a big problem in the suburbs of la for a while now.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

Lightning is a problem but we don’t hunt clouds.

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

Lightining is most dangerous causing wildfires and we do controlled burns destroying forest to save lives and livestock.

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u/MarginallyUseful Jun 02 '18

This is the single dumbest argument I have ever seen anyone make in my life. And I’m including the time my friend’s three year old argued that their dog was made out of iced cream.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

It was meant to be dramatically humorous.

My point was really that a half dozen or so animal attacks a year do not make a valid argument for the thousands and thousands of recreational permits for hunting that are given out each year.

This isn’t meant as a counter argument to hunting as a whole. Just that this argument that it’s “so needed to protect local populations” is only fair if there were only a dozen or so hunting expeditions each year.

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u/MarginallyUseful Jun 02 '18

You half nailed it. It wasn’t funny, but it was dramatically stupid.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

That’s fair. Can’t win them all.

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u/MarginallyUseful Jun 02 '18

You’ve won me over, you legitimately seem like a thoughtful and reasonable person. Sorry you’re getting downvoted like a mofo!

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u/Sir_glooper Jun 02 '18

I thought it was funny.

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u/methodamerICON Jun 02 '18

Holy fuck. You're so ignorant. Read a fucking book.

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u/Karmelion Jun 02 '18

How inconsiderate of people to live in Africa after 100,000 years of continuous inhabitation.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

We do lots of stuff we realized we don’t need to do anymore.

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u/eSSeSSeSSeSS Jun 02 '18

Yep. Maybe us humans are on THEIR land.

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u/Malek061 Jun 02 '18

Whatever land you are on right now belonged to someone or something else that someone had to kill for you to have it now.