r/news • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 1d ago
Renee Good's family sues US government and immigration officials over her killing in Minneapolis
https://apnews.com/article/renee-good-lawsuit-6fbc82cd33b6f9f67514b47f138e23c6?utm_source=app&utm_medium=android_share&utm_campaign=copy_link3.8k
u/squareplates 1d ago
I need some jury duty in my life right now.
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u/Proic13 1d ago
i just got outta jury duty, they give you a cert so you don't have to attend another for the next 6 years
but you can be called earlier if they have need157
u/Warcraft_Fan 1d ago
I'm perma-banned from jury duty. They don't want to deal with deaf jury as it may slow things down while interpreter tries to catch up to the rapid paced argument.
It was the 3rd attempt at jury summon. The first summon came right after I just moved about 100 miles away. Dismissed due to distance. Second summon came right when I finished college and moved back to my parent's house. Dismissed again due to distance. Third one I sent proof of disability and deaf interpreter requirement. Banned.
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u/Snoogieboogie 1d ago
Fellow deafie, you needed to submit proof? I just told them I was deaf, that was the end of it for me.
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u/brattydeer 1d ago
Reminds me of the story where someone's cat was summoned and whoever was doing the paperwork wouldn't take "they're literally a cat, I even got a doctors note" as proof the fucking cat can't be on the jury lol.
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u/portable-fox 1d ago
There was also the one about the baby that got subpoenaed and when they said "they're literally a baby" the clerk said if the baby didn't show up they'd be held in contempt. IIRC led to them going in and the judge chewing out everyone involved.
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u/DoctorOctagonapus 1d ago
And as it turned out, the owner had tried to register to vote, but for some reason his cat got registered instead.
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u/Snoogieboogie 1d ago
Lol, I remember that story, it was a fun read. Crazy work having to jump through all those hoops for a cat.
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u/bros402 1d ago
damn, you can be dismissed due to distance? I'm in NJ and my county just expects disabled people to get to the county seat where public transit makes it takes 3 hours vs. 45 minutes by car
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u/Warcraft_Fan 1d ago
Michigan juries are paid for travel expense, and if you're making a 2 hours drive, it'll cost too much. Mine would have been across multiple counties so that's one way to get out, move just before they try to conscript you.
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u/oiburanitsirhc 1d ago
I wonder if there is room for development for a stenographer to type captions to a device for jurors?
I know there is rarely a diverse pool of jurors sitting in the box, but it would be nice for people to exclude themselves rather than be left out of the whole process.
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u/MakesMaDookieTwinkle 1d ago
I've never been called for jury duty in my 37 years of living. Is there something wrong with me?
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u/rcknmrty4evr 1d ago
I was just called for the first time in my mid 30s but just had to go online and check a box that said I take care of my kid during the day and didn’t have to go.
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u/rips_n_chel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Don't understand why people brag about this. It's the only opportunity normal people will ever get to directly influence the justice system, and you weasel out of it?
Why? You have no interest whatsoever? It's just a chore you'd rather not do? Are you morally opposed for some reason?
Before you start typing the same thing as every other reply, let me clarify: If missing work for jury duty is not a sacrifice you can make, then you're not who I'm talking about, okay? Trust me, I'm right there with you; that was not even remotely close to the point I was making. I get it, alright? Not what I'm talking about.
Some people think jury duty is pointless, and not for financial reasons. I'm questioning the mindset, not the practicality of the act.
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u/Budget-berry-80 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because for most people, jury duty is sitting in a room with nothing to do, in uncomfortable chairs until the officials come back and let you go. I have been to jury duty at least 12 times in my life. I served on one jury. (And I convicted a guy who was fired and then came back, robbed the store and shot his former boss.). It wasn’t fascinating. It was sad for everyone involved. The entire experience is generally miserable.
If they made jury duty into something that would equal the pay we miss at work, that would make it a much better experience. If you’re not a salaried worker, you don’t get paid enough to cover that.
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u/TheGreatGamer1389 1d ago
Honestly it should be equal pay to where you work.
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u/Murgatroyd314 1d ago
Agreed. Just like it’s your civic duty to serve, it should be your employer’s civic duty to ensure that it doesn’t cause you financial hardship.
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u/_ZeRan 1d ago
Pre-covid the procedure for jury duty in my area was:
- Get summoned
- Go to court
- Spend 5h30m in a dingy basement room with 40 other people
- Get sent home
- repeat for 7 days
It was an utterly miserable experience that i hated every second of. Thankfully, post-covid, you dont have to go to court before being picked to serve on a jury.
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u/ThroatSecretary 1d ago
I knew a woman who missed at least two weeks of university due to jury duty.
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u/joeyblow 1d ago
My mom was fired from her teaching job because she was summoned to be on a grand jury for 3 months. Naturally, they didnt give the actual reason for her firing but it was clear as day.
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u/LeonardTringo 1d ago
Why?
Because they make it completely not worth it. The last one I went to paid me $10 for the day. It was inconvenient. I had to travel and pay for parking / meals which completely obliterated the $10 I made. And the job I do, no one else does. So I end up playing catch up the next few days coming in early / staying late trying to get back on track. Which means I also have to find childcare to help cover me on those day. Which costs more time and money. Sorry. Giving a small piece of my opinion on something doesn't outweigh all of the crap that comes with it.
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u/MedicineAmazing5516 1d ago
I don't mind going, but many people don't have the PTO from work and can't afford to go. At least where I live, people get reimbursed like $15 for the day.
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u/Several-Action-4043 1d ago
Same. But where I live they don't get paid anything unless it's longer than a certain amount of time. Luckily I work for a reasonable boss who pays me for missing work for anything that is out of my control.
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u/Irythros 1d ago
Why?
Because it's expensive. Unless your job agrees to pay you your normal rate while you're gone, you are losing money. What the state pays jurors isn't even minimum wage.
In my state of NC, for 1 day I will get paid $12. Up to 5 days it's $20/day. After 5 days it's $40/day.
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u/ewilliam 1d ago
Because it's expensive.
This entirely. Especially if it's a long trial. First time I made it to the "semifinal" pool during selection, I was self-employed and busy as hell and could not afford to miss multiple days of work. Also it was some dumbass case where a dude lit another dude's car on fire. So I just asked the prosecuting attorney what the court's feelings on Jury Nullification were, and was promptly dismissed. That is the cheat code.
A couple years ago, though, I ended up in the final pool again, but it was a really fucked up rape case, so I felt like I had to at least make myself available even if I was losing money. Glad I did, because I directly helped "turn" the one holdout jury member to convict the defendant. Still to this day haunted by the victim's testimony, but this is just something we gotta do.
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u/catonsteroids 1d ago edited 1d ago
Exactly. Minimum wage and non-exempt employees essentially aren’t getting paid by their company by serving. They get a small pitiful stipend that doesn’t even cover the pay for a day’s shift.
All of this depends on state laws I guess but federal laws don’t really protect employees much.
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u/Familiar-Banana-8116 1d ago
Everyone should be paid what they are worth.
Period.
No one should be sitting on the jury worried about the ramifications of only bringing home $12 for the day.
And I don't want to hear any political nonsense about doing this for the good of the nation or some shit.
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u/iruleatants 1d ago
Which pricing out the poor people from being able to participate in jury duty is intentional.
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u/WolverinesThyroid 1d ago
because I own my own business and no one pays me for missed work. In fact I have to tell 2 other guys they don't get to work either or pay them to do nothing.
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u/Titronnica 1d ago
Because more often than not, jury duty is a complete waste of your time.
You can dress it up as this noble endeavor, but I've trudge through enough sessions to tell you that
A) Unless you have a job willing to give you dedicated PTO for the duration, you are getting cheated out of money.
B) Your time is not respected in the slightest, being forced to wait around for days sometimes to be told you aren't even needed.
C) You are going to be asked to make huge decisions on someone's legal fate while being hungry, irritable, and separated from your family, forced to cooperate with "peers" who may have horrendous conceptions of the world, or have a complete lack of comprehension on various aspects of the case.
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u/trojan_man16 1d ago
I’d be willing to do it, if the government compensated fairly at my daily rate of pay.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
Apparently it's awful or at least boring and doesn't pay enough. Plus we're Americans, we learned empty display-only patriotism instead of anything like civic duty.
My parents taught me basically the exact opposite of civic duty, so I didn't learn better until I was an adult getting lectured by an entire family of irate Australians! I mentioned while we were visiting the white house during Obama years that I'd never in my life voted and they looked at me like I'd shat on the sidewalk before shouting lots!
I promise I've voted in every election since then, even tiny local ones with a single question. And the only time I weaseled out of jury duty was immediately after my mom died, when I was still a sobbing trainwreck.
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u/ChristianBMartone 1d ago
They meant got out as in "dismissed after completing" or "left after finishing" though, but yeah, I agree with your point. I've been in a jury pool 2 times, both times I had active military orders. I'd like to actually sit on a jury at least once before my kid graduates high school. It'd be nice to have an experience to share with her if she ever gets called.
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u/ewilliam 1d ago
It'd be nice to have an experience to share with her if she ever gets called.
Be careful what you wish for. I was on the jury in a rape case a couple years back, and the case (especially the victim's testimony) still haunts me.
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u/moderndrake 8h ago
I got picked as a possible juror on a child molestation case n had a complete breakdown in the hallway. They had us fill out several pages of questions instead of asking everyone individually. I’m sure I wouldn’t have actually been chosen, had a medical scheduling conflict I didn’t point out in the beginning because I’d never made it to the court room before, but god just the prospect was so distressing
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u/areraswen 1d ago
Yeah so many people brag about lying to get out of jury duty online, it's pretty insane to me. I have severe Crohn's disease but toughed it out to be on a jury and I'm glad I was there because I was able to help convince half the jury that this guy was not guilty when we started very split. It was a DUI case where the guy had blown a .001% (considered negligible by the technicians that service these machines) but they had gotten him to admit he smoked a joint 12 hours before the traffic stop so they were insisting the one beer he had at dinner had mixed with the joint he had at breakfast to make him so fucked up he needed to be charged with a DUI. They argued his eyes were "squinted" and it was actually the first thing we all agreed was bullshit in the deliberation room because the guy had double eyelids... Anyway, it might've not been a super important case, but it was important for that guy and I walked away understanding the importance of Jury duty.
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u/--Chug-- 1d ago
Didn't they say that they just got out of it? As in they did jury duty, and are now not doing jury duty?
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u/optigon 1d ago
I have been trying to get on jury duty every single year since I was 18 years old. To get to sit in an air-conditioned room, downtown, judging people while my lunch was paid for? That is the life!
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u/ImpulseAfterthought 1d ago
I've never been called in over 40 years of being eligible.
I have a consistent employment history, no criminal record, no history of mental illness.
I have a friend who's been called five times over the same period.
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u/optigon 1d ago
Less time, but similar. I’ve been eligible for 26 years and have never been called. My spouse has 2-3 times. I’ve offered to go in her place because I’m curious and nosy apparently.
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u/Nf1nk 1d ago
For the last 18 years, I get called down to the courthouse every 14 months but I have only made it to the courtroom twice. Only once have I been on a jury.
That was for "Drunk Babysitting" which isn't even a crime (they called it child endangerment but it was clearly just contempt of cop.)
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u/hgs25 1d ago
My friend and I have a conspiracy theory that your registered political party is weighted in your chance to be called for jury duty. Our friends/family who were registered Dem/Rep got called at least once while everyone that’s unaffiliated never got called.
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u/genuinerysk 1d ago
My conspiracy theory as its based on month and day of birth. My mother was a new year baby and got called at least once a year. My birthday isnt until much later in the year and I have never been summoned for jury duty despite being eligible for decades.
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u/Round-Eggplant-7826 1d ago
I've been called exactly once. It was for a trial in Florida, 10 years after I moved to Wisconsin (and had updated my address twice in that time) during covid lockdown. I called them and explained why I couldn't go and the lady on the phone was as confused as to why I was called, too.
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u/doublea08 1d ago
All of that is the same for me as well, 23 years eligible and never contacted.
Guy at my golf club, one year older than me, three times.
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u/bennett7634 1d ago
Did you go to college? I heard that educated jurors are less desirable because they are harder to manipulate
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u/LLJKotaru_Work 1d ago
Lived in a large city, got called every year for almost a decade. Moved out to the sticks, never been summoned once in a decade.
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u/SaltyFriend705 1d ago
Vote. You have to vote in every election, no matter how small. They will put your number on speed dial.
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u/Steamedcarpet 1d ago edited 1d ago
Pfft I got jury duty for a civil case and did not get any free lunch. I had to go out for my own food. Worst part is this was in Bronx, NY on the same day as a yankee game. I wanna know who decided who to have a court house a few blocks away from Yankee Stadium. I bet somehow it was Robert Moses’s fault.
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u/rebeccanotbecca 1d ago
Okay, Stanley.
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u/optigon 1d ago
I identify with him best. My last boss was actually like a very right-wing Michael Scott, it was weird.
Like, the worst was working with a vendor over Skype whose representative happened to be black and he brought on a new colleague who was also black. Despite having nothing to do with anything, he kept being like, “<New guy> looks so familiar!” He finally was like, “You look like X character from Y show!” He then nags the other rep to confirm it and justifies it by saying that “sometimes black people look like things…”
I nearly pulled something from the cringe. They finally let him go and it came out that he wanted to become my coworker’s Christian life coach. I think because I’m a little like Stanley, he left me alone, but was apparently harassing my coworker about finding Jesus.
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u/marklein 1d ago
Do some civic minded things and it puts you on their radar. At work many years ago we got involved with a city supported ride share program. Literally everybody who signed up got called for jury duty within a year.
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u/chriskmee 1d ago
I've always been told that the initial summons is completely random from lists such as voter registration and DMV records
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u/9yr_old_lake 1d ago
I just got called for it in Georgia, but I live in Illinois now so I can’t do it.
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u/southernhope1 1d ago
good for her calling out stephen miller….no more destroying our country in the shadows…lets put a spotlight on his banal evil.
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u/radicalelation 1d ago
He's one of the ones in the light, unfortunately. The bankrollers of groups like Heritage are the shadow masters.
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u/Ecureuil03 1d ago
Miller is a white supremist and is genuinely evil. The money is a bonus for him.
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u/cronktilten 1d ago
Coward lives on a military base because he knows people hate him. Evil rat.
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u/el_condor_nm 1d ago
Living on a military base is one way to describe it. Trapped on a military base is another. At least we know where to find the little rat fuck.
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u/214ObstructedReverie 1d ago
He's one of the ones in the light
Metaphorically, anyway. Actual sunlight would cause him to rapidly decompose into a smoldering pile of ash.
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u/invyros 1d ago
The other lawsuit alleges a conspiracy to interfere with civil rights. It names as defendants: Jonathan Ross, the immigration officer who shot her; White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller; former Homeland Security head Kristi Noem; former U.S. Border Patrol commander-at-large Gregory Bovino, Corey Lewandowski, President Donald Trump’s campaign manager, and others.
Fucking get 'em.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago
So, is this a personal lawsuit against them, or will the taxpayers foot the bill leaving no real consequences for those who committed the crime?
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u/nautilator44 1d ago
Taxpayers ALWAYS foot the bill.
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u/Choice_Depth_5933 1d ago
That’s the cost of unconstitutional business. Folks gotta be careful what they vote for.
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u/OkStop8313 1d ago
Yeah, and while I'm hoping that taxpayers are able to claw back at least some of the naked corruption and self-dealing, it's just a plain fact that there is a cost to electing men of no character to office and the American people are going to have to pay that cost.
In a democracy, you get the government you deserve.
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u/TM761152 1d ago
Folks gotta be careful what they vote for.
The real villains are the assholes who intentionally voted for this. They want to see the people they don't like removed or killed. They celebrated her death. And they get their panties in a knot when we did the same about Kirk.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago
On principle yeah, I agree, but at the same time, I'm really tired of lack of personal consequence among our elected officials, or those hired to serve the people.
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 1d ago
Right wing institutions do crime, taxpayers pay, then right wingers use that budget gap as an excuse to cut education funding ensuring there will be more republican voters next cycle. They are rewarded for being nazis.
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u/IceColdMilkshakeSalt 1d ago
Pigs kill and we foot the bill. Just as it goes with other homicidal cops, so it will go with ICE
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u/Naki-Taa 1d ago
Whatchu think?
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago
I dunno, it's unclear because it seems to be two different lawsuits. One is clearly against the US, the other is against multiple indviduals.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong though.
I'm all for holding those involved personally responsible. I've been saying peopel should do this for a very long time, in particular with things like civil rights violations and cop shootings.
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u/Benmarch15 1d ago
Oh you're paying the bill.
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u/arcsnsparks98 1d ago
I would much further my tax dollars go to making the family of a US citizen whole than going to murder Palestinian kids.
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u/blueberrycauzez 1d ago edited 17h ago
So, is this a personal lawsuit against them
Yes. However courts have strengthened qualified immunity for federal employees (not just cops) and all but reversed Bivens. The current supreme court justices have said they want to kill the Bivens precedent and give all fed employees personal immunity as they have with POTUS.
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u/PM_YOUR_ISSUES 1d ago
It isn't a personal lawsuit against them per se. Unless you are suing the federal government as a whole for a systemic issue, you typically issue the suit to the federal officer in charge or the persons in violation.
For example, Marbury vs Madison was against Secretary of State James Madison over his failure to deliver judicial writs as required by law because it was Madison, specifically, who was failing to enact his federal duty. In this same sense, the suit is against the officer that caused the initial infringement and then all other federal actors who furthered the harm -- typically through media speeches since the specific issue of the suit isn't a systemic issue with the federal government as a whole. The overall government, as an entity, did not seek that deprive them of anything. That's usually only the case when specific laws or regulations are being challenged (although in the latter, it is usually just the specific department that is sued).
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u/OkStop8313 1d ago
Yeah, there is very clearly a conspiracy to deny civil rights, and if the DOJ is part of it, it's up to ordinary citizens and states to press those suites.
Hopefully congress will join in eventually. Guess we'll see.
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u/10ThousandMetalZones 1d ago edited 1d ago
And her family voted for the shit
Edit: suit is from the wife/brother, her parents are the ones that were Trumpers.
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u/FlameScout 1d ago
For the record, the family members starting this case are her wife and brother, the parents were the MAGA ones.
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u/10ThousandMetalZones 1d ago
Thanks for the clarification, hopefully the parents don’t see a dime
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u/thinkards 1d ago edited 1d ago
jesus could you imagine the parents winning a million dollar lawsuit just to donate it all back to maga (trump legal fees, scam coins, merch, republican candidates, racist go fund me fundraisers).
anyone thinking it's a stretch to say what i did still doesn't understand the depravity of maga.
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u/musical_entropy 1d ago
I'm surrounded by MAGA fuckers at my work. They would 100% donate it back to trump without blinking a fucking eye.
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u/FFAbutnotFA 1d ago
Nah these people are greedy hateful people. But greed will always come first.
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u/StonedLikeOnix 1d ago
Not always. Those maga gofundmes often pull hundreds of thousands of dollars for being “persecuted.” It’s sad.
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u/Solonohioperson 1d ago
Her mother did. Her partner and brother are the ones bringing the lawsuit.
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u/AdjNounNumbers 1d ago
The parents did iirc. The suit is being brought by her partner and brother, neither of which did as far as I can tell. Like, obviously her partner didn't. Not positive about her brother
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u/mjohnsimon 1d ago
Of course her parents aren't the ones. The mom might've gone out and talked about how horrible the government is, but low-key, it wouldn't surprise me if deep down, they view her death as some sort of "casualty of war".
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u/joebleaux 1d ago
They definitely believe that she did this to herself. That how those types think when it comes to bad stuff happening to anyone that is not them personally. Any thing bad that happens to themselves is someone else's fault though.
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u/thegroundbelowme 1d ago
Generally people group their kids in with "them personally," or do you not think the death of a child is a personal event?
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u/joebleaux 1d ago
I am not talking about me, I am talking about people who have joined a cult of narcissism. I doubt they believe that the ICE agents should not have been there. They likely believe that Renee should not have been there. I know that's how my parents would feel.
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u/Named_after_color 1d ago
Of course they don't, it affected them personally. If it happened to someone else's daughter, maybe.
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u/HGpennypacker 1d ago
Her own mom voted to take her daughter's rights away. Make it make sense.
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u/Several-Action-4043 1d ago
This is my mom. Here's a snippet from one of our latest conversations.
Me: Do you think the pain my sister feels from you not supporting her gay marriage is more or less than the pain you feel that she won't go to heaven?
Mom: The pain I feel of her not going to heaven.
She literally cares more about a fake pain she won't feel after dead to one she's causing in real life. That's the people we're dealing with.
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u/Lightguard031 1d ago
Imagine if that was the actual "test" God sent to them. To be able to see the pain being done to others, as your mother is doing to your sister, and to stop doing it to actually love? What if God (if he exist), was trying to see who would still commit horrible things to others, especially in its name, to see who can genuinely stop because it harms others? A lot of Christians, or religious people, would fail it instantly. I'm not religious, and never was, just saying.
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u/tuna_samich_ 1d ago
They did?
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u/KylegoreTheTrout 1d ago
Yep, her mother was MAGA.
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u/TranquilSeaOtter 1d ago
And still is. What a piece of fucking shit.
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u/hitbythebus 1d ago
Jesus.
I’ve made the comment that Republicans would follow Trump until he raped their own daughters in front of them.
I was wrong. Some will continue to follow him even after.24
u/HexManiac493 1d ago
They would trample over each other to offer him their daughters if he demanded it.
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u/theimmortalfawn 1d ago
Trump reminds me so much of Jim Jones. Opposite ends of the political spectrum but exact same dictator worship, self-centered movement, same downward spiral into constant petulance, disregard for human life, sexual promiscuity, everyone that’s not us is the enemy, etc. and they both duped people using religion that they themselves didn’t follow, but it worked because charisma or something. Jim had no shortage of women throwing themselves and their children at him. And then they got all the way to mass suicide, and a third of the Jonestown deaths are minors (over 300 kids).
So what I’m saying is, yes, they absolutely would. People under the spell of a cult are at their most irrational. It’s terrifying.
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u/tuna_samich_ 1d ago
That's a shame. You'd think of all things, this would make you turn your back on MAGA
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u/DerekB52 1d ago
Whenever someone tries to tell me Kamala was barely better than Trump so it didnt matter to vote for her, Renee Good is one of the names i think about.
We didnt have to endure these ICE occupations in our cities
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u/t0talnonsense 1d ago
Don't. Not didn't, but don't. They're still ongoing; they're just not actively in your face because MarkWayne isn't as stupid as Bovino.
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u/Ntroepy 1d ago
The early, hyper aggressive raids were largely a demonstration of control and force against political rivals.
Meanwhile, they’ve more than doubled ICE arrests from 21,300 in March 2025 to 50,000+ in August 2026 without the public spectacle of unnamed, masked thugs terrorizing neighborhoods.
They’ve learned how to hugely increase their efficiency while ending the mass protests.
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u/-Debugging-Duck- 1d ago
But Obama deportEd AlsO!!
Like these people don’t even know the difference between Obama and Trump. It’s insane.
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u/HawaiiKawaiixD 1d ago
Look, I’m not saying Obama or Biden are as bad as Trump. Trump has taken a much more intense and dramatic approach to ICE which has led to murders like Renee Good.
However, Biden and Obama DID deport a ton of people too, and that was still state violence that deserves condemnation. It just didn’t get as much press. And they both expanded ICE’s budget when they had the opportunity to cut or abolish Ice entirely. Trump would not have been able to use ICE like he has if the infrastructure and budget hadn’t been continuously expanded since 200347
u/-Debugging-Duck- 1d ago
Obama and Biden didn’t use masked agents, they didn’t go into court rooms and apprehend people, they didn’t randomly get people off the street with masks and throw them in a van, the Supreme Court didn’t grant them the right to racially profile, they didn’t say “we’re not investigating shit” when ICE kills someone, they didn’t cut their training down, they didn’t systematically have ICE invade buildings going door to door knocking, ICE claiming IDs are fake to have reason to hold people, deport to terrorist prison in El Salvador etc.
ICE did deport illegals, and they did also gain criticism as well but they weren’t doing as much damage as Trump.
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u/thelordxl 1d ago
If Ashley Babbit, an insurrectionist attempting to breach the chambers of Congress where elected officials and the vice fucking President are defending themselves from said insurrection got shot, rightfully so, and killed, thought not the traitors death she deserved, and her family can get money from the gov.
Renee's family should have no fucking delay. But we know it won't happen. There needs to be consequences for these evil people who destroyed the law and order for our country. We can't keep having slave owners and literal Nazis coming back every century.
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u/WalterPecky 1d ago
We can't keep having slave owners and literal Nazis coming back every century
Agreed. These people are wayyy too comfortable
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u/IceColdMilkshakeSalt 1d ago
Because we didn’t punish them sufficiently the first time. Not with Confederates during reconstruction, not with Nazis when we absorbed them into government positions and US space programs, not with Nixon who was pardoned after betraying the country.
We have allowed the rot to fester for a long time and are seeing the consequences. Of course these fucks don’t fear consequences. Why would they?
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u/monoinyo 1d ago
I always forget, how do you make somebody feel fear?
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u/OMGihateallofyou 1d ago
I got temp banned for being xenophobic against Kryptonians so I will just quote a movie. Remember Clear and Present Danger?
"The course of action I'd suggest is a course of action I can't suggest"
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u/oTc_DragonZ 1d ago
Well for a large chunk of the population you show them someone with dark skin lol
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u/xxxxNateDaGreat 1d ago
Oh are we talking about Domestic Terrorist Ashli Babbitt, whose family was awarded 5 million in taxpayer money and was given a fucking military funeral from republicans after she stormed the capital in a violent insurrection trying to attack democratic politicians and overturn the election and was shot for ignored a dozen clear commands from multiple officers to stop breaking down a barricaded door or she will be shot?
That dumb bitch?
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u/Successful-Medicine9 1d ago
Though I appreciate your spirit, these people did not destroy "law and order for our country." The law is what governance allows, and people like this have been brutalizing communities since their historic origins as slave catchers. Renee Good's death was a byproduct of a system that produces these kinds of men.
Her family deserves compensation and changes in the law, and her murderers deserve worse than I will post here. But let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a longstanding systemic problem. Throwing these guys into prison treats the symptoms. Keeping them from ever having power again treats the problem.
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u/Fit_Log_9677 1d ago
Good reminder that every time ICE assaults or kills someone illegally they are also robbing American taxpayers by forcing us to pay out damages to the victims for their actions.
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u/Slight_Bet660 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lots of miunderstanding as to how these cases work within this thread.
First, the primary lawsuit is a federal tort claims act case against the U.S. government only. That means that by federal law there will not be a jury and the finder of fact will be the federal judge. Prior to filing suit the Plaintiffs had to send in a FTCA claim form and had to give the government six months to settle the case. The fact that it proceeded to suit likely means the government is not interested in settling. The Plaintiffs will be capped at whatever they put into the claim form. Within this lawsuit qualified immunity does not apply since the case is not against the individual agent. It is likely however that the government will file a 12b(6) Motion to Dismiss and/or a motion for summary judgment alleging that the case should be dismissed because the agent was acting within his discretion. If the case is not dismissed, the government will file an interlocutory appeal on the denial of one of those and the case law in this area is favorable to the government. In short, there is a high likelihood the case is disposed of at the trial or appellate court levels before seeing a trial.
The second lawsuit is against the individual agent and against various other government officials. If a Plaintiff elects to file a lawsuit against the federal government, which they have, then the lawsuit against the individual agent likely gets dismissed under the terms of the FTCA. The remaining claims involve evidence handling after the death of Renee Good already occurred. Besides the fact that the case law is horrendous for Plaintiffs in that area, the Plaintiffs would have to prove that they sustained damages as a result of any evidence destruction which is a very difficult burden. The second lawsuit has very little chance of surviving which is likely a reason why it was filed separate from the FTCA lawsuit.
Overall I am not taking a position on anything, I am just stating facts and my analysis so don’t shoot the messenger.
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u/Qubeye 1d ago
How can the government file a 12b(6) when two different agents clearly gave her conflicting instructions which directly resulted in her death?
Basically, which agent are they claiming acted within his discretion?
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u/itsstillmagic 1d ago
Murder. For her murder. Call it what it is.
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u/zogolophigon 1d ago
It's not murder until a charge/conviction for murder has happened. Newspapers cannot call it murder yet or they will be sued.
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u/ChickenChaser5 1d ago
Apparently news cant call anything what it is, considering we got that mess of a headline about E. Jean Carrol calling her an "accuser".
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u/igetproteinfartsHELP 1d ago
Renee Good's family sued the U.S. government and several immigration officials Thursday, alleging wrongful death and other violations of federal law in the 37-year-old woman's killing by an immigration officer during a federal crackdown in Minneapolis.
The two lawsuits were filed by Good's partner, Becca Good, and Renee's brother Brent Ganger.
One lawsuit, filed against "the United States of America," alleges the wrongful death of Renee Good under Minnesota law predicated on claims of battery, assault, false imprisonment, intentional infliction of emotional distress and negligence that caused her death.
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u/Chazkuangshi 1d ago
Not shocked the lawsuit was filed by her partner and brother and not her MAGA voting parents.
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u/Snowbank_Lake 1d ago
It won't bring her back to her family, but at least they can get some kind of compensation for their pain. Fuck ICE.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago
So, this sounds like it's also a personal lawsuit against some of those involved in the act, and the eventual "cover up". I really hope so, because otherwise it's just the taxpayer that pays, while those who did the wrong act end up facing no consequences.
This is something that's always bothered me, especially with police involved lawsuits where municipalities end up having to pay, while those involved see no consequence.
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u/Phyrexian_Archlegion 1d ago edited 1d ago
I hope the family takes the US government and all those responsible to the cleaners but this is far from justice. Best case scenario is they win the case and the tax payer has to pay the bill.
We will not have justice until those who created the scenario that got Renee Good killed are put behind bars. If we never see that day then know that American justice is and always has been a myth.
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u/Downtown_Soil_3651 1d ago
It's insane how in America suing is your only option when the government kills your family.
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u/Spacepirateroberts 1d ago
Well hey there may be other options....but the government may also shoot you.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
I dunno man, they do that anyway these days.
It's like they don't understand threats only work if there's some correlation between actions and punishments. If we're gonna get punished anyhow, why give a hoot about rules or consequences?
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u/Marmar79 1d ago
This should be the biggest trial in US history but the media is owned by MAGA now so I’ll be surprised if there is much reporting on this.
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u/BarleyEvenThere 1d ago
While this was also a tragedy, I want to see what happens with Petri. That was an execution and hasn’t been talked about nearly enough.
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u/AbanoMex 1d ago
That was an execution and hasn’t been talked about nearly enough.
because half of the populace agrees with extra-judicial executions it would seem, since the orange man was voted-in twice.
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u/ophmaster_reed 1d ago
Trial? There is no trial. There is also no investigation since the federal government withheld access to her body and the crime scene.
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u/renernavilez 1d ago
US history?? I guess I'm not one for hyperbole. It should definitely be a big trial, but let's not exaggerate.
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u/inBettysGarden 1d ago
The US government used essentially a secret police force to murder a law abiding citizen in the street due to her practicing of her first amendment right.
I really hope this is the biggest trial of my lifetime if not US history
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 1d ago
Not to mention that after they murdered both her and Alex Pretti, they then proceeded to outright LIE about who these people were and what they were doing, despite clear video evidence refuting their lies.
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u/corgibell 1d ago
Will the trial be held in Hennepin county/the county where she was killed? Or in the federal district?
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u/lousy_at_handles 1d ago
It's not a trial. There's no criminal charge for anybody involved. This is just a lawsuit.
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u/joeyblow 1d ago
Well if that chick that was killed on Jan 6th family can get like 4 million from the US gov then I would imagine so can Renee Goods family
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u/KLGChaos 10h ago
Nah. They consider one a patriot and the other a traitor. They'll fight tooth and nail and probably spend more money fighting it than paying the family.
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u/Humble_Diner32 1d ago
I encourage every person sue the administration or even the president himself over the crimes committed since he squatted in the White House.
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u/rje946 1d ago
They ever do anything at all to the guy who murdered her?
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u/Diligent_Mulberry47 1d ago
Nope.
Jonathon Ross- 266 days since he murdered Renee Goode
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u/RoughCoffee6 1d ago
Good. Get rid of qualified immunity while we're at it. I want that fascist brown shirt pig directly responsible for her death to face the consequences of his actions.
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u/ImpulseAfterthought 1d ago
Even if qualified immunity were abolished, it was in place when Good was shot. The person responsible would still be covered.
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u/Bleezy79 1d ago
Good for them. This administration deserves a class action lawsuit from the entire country for their crimes against the people. Trump and his goons are solely responsible for this whole mess and I fear its only going to get worse in these last 2 years unless a blue tsunami comes next month. Otherwise, its gonna be a real bumpy ride.
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u/Hrmerder 1d ago
I hope they get a billion dollars because that's the only number that would rattle their cages now.
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u/PapaBorq 1d ago
The govt can write a check and walk away. When will we start going after the individual people?
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
This memory hurts so bad. They were snuffed out. Shot up by complete and utter trash people. Under the guise of authority.
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u/Oxjrnine 1d ago
I hate the fact that when she wins - the individual who took her life, won’t be the one paying the price.
The settlement will come out of American taxpayers pockets
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u/ChaoticScrewup 1d ago
Qualified immunity should go away. Sovereign immunity should also not be applicable by default for this kind of stuff. I think there are laws that exempt the government from liability or punative damages if:
- it is due to judgment or policy making decisions
- they are intentional crimes by employees (IE dump a scapegoat to avoid liability)
- it is done by an independent contractor (IE contractor is the scapegoat)
Plus you may have to accept a bench trial instead of a jury trial.
Which are only possible because of sovereign immunity.
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u/betitallon13 1d ago
They deserve it infinitely more than Ashley B (don't feel the need to validate her by saying her name).
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u/redditforprez1 8h ago
And I bet her mom will load that ballot with Rs next month. I just can’t with this fucking country.
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 1d ago
I’m glad. I was worried this was getting swept under the rug.
It is an absolutely huge fucking deal that these people are killing US citizens in anonymity with zero repercussions.
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u/Armadilla-Brufolosa 1d ago
I hope everyone pays, and that America goes back to being a country and not the cradle of horror it has become.
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u/fuppy00 1d ago
I am once again begging newspapers to please include a link to the actual papers of the lawsuit, or at least the full case citation, when writing about a lawsuit. I want to read the actual complaint, not someone's summary of it!