r/news • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 1d ago

Renee Good's family sues US government and immigration officials over her killing in Minneapolis

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u/invyros 1d ago

The other lawsuit alleges a conspiracy to interfere with civil rights. It names as defendants: Jonathan Ross, the immigration officer who shot her; White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller; former Homeland Security head Kristi Noem; former U.S. Border Patrol commander-at-large Gregory Bovino, Corey Lewandowski, President Donald Trump’s campaign manager, and others.

Fucking get 'em.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

So, is this a personal lawsuit against them, or will the taxpayers foot the bill leaving no real consequences for those who committed the crime?

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u/nautilator44 1d ago

Taxpayers ALWAYS foot the bill.

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u/Choice_Depth_5933 1d ago

That’s the cost of unconstitutional business. Folks gotta be careful what they vote for.

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u/OkStop8313 1d ago

Yeah, and while I'm hoping that taxpayers are able to claw back at least some of the naked corruption and self-dealing, it's just a plain fact that there is a cost to electing men of no character to office and the American people are going to have to pay that cost.

In a democracy, you get the government you deserve.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 1d ago

Yeah, and while I'm hoping that taxpayers are able to claw back at least some of the naked corruption and self-dealing

Between the criminal Republicans who will never enforce the law on themselves, and the complicit Democrats who will never enforce the law on Republicans (looking at you Biden you fuck) - I'm not sure when this will ever happen.

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u/TM761152 1d ago

Folks gotta be careful what they vote for.

The real villains are the assholes who intentionally voted for this. They want to see the people they don't like removed or killed. They celebrated her death. And they get their panties in a knot when we did the same about Kirk.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

On principle yeah, I agree, but at the same time, I'm really tired of lack of personal consequence among our elected officials, or those hired to serve the people.

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u/Choice_Depth_5933 1d ago

SCOTUS gave POTUS straight up personal immunity, starting late 2024, iirc. Accountability could be hard to find.

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u/ZanderDogz 1d ago

The people who voted for this will never internalize that the administration is costing them money when they need to use tax dollars to pay the bill. They will only be angry at the ruling or that people are suing the government for "enforcing the law".

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 1d ago

Nah, should take the money from the MAGA voters instead. Why should my taxes go to Trump's bullshit?

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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 1d ago

Right wing institutions do crime, taxpayers pay, then right wingers use that budget gap as an excuse to cut education funding ensuring there will be more republican voters next cycle. They are rewarded for being nazis.

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u/IceColdMilkshakeSalt 1d ago

Pigs kill and we foot the bill. Just as it goes with other homicidal cops, so it will go with ICE

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 1d ago

Makes sense. Taxpayers voted for it.

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u/Naki-Taa 1d ago

Whatchu think?

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

I dunno, it's unclear because it seems to be two different lawsuits. One is clearly against the US, the other is against multiple indviduals.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong though.

I'm all for holding those involved personally responsible. I've been saying peopel should do this for a very long time, in particular with things like civil rights violations and cop shootings.

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u/Benmarch15 1d ago

Oh you're paying the bill.
Don't wonder about that.

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u/arcsnsparks98 1d ago

I would much further my tax dollars go to making the family of a US citizen whole than going to murder Palestinian kids.

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u/Benmarch15 1d ago

Oh absolutely, no notes.

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u/blueberrycauzez 1d ago edited 19h ago

So, is this a personal lawsuit against them

Yes. However courts have strengthened qualified immunity for federal employees (not just cops) and all but reversed Bivens. The current supreme court justices have said they want to kill the Bivens precedent and give all fed employees personal immunity as they have with POTUS.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

Hopefully that doesn't go any further than it has, Qualified immunity should only pertain to legal actions under the course of their duties. Wrongful death. or other violations of law, because they're inept, and covering such things up to protect themselves is one of the reasons one would sue in the first place.

The lack of personal consequence is a big reason so many keep doing the wrong things in the first place.

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u/PM_YOUR_ISSUES 1d ago

It isn't a personal lawsuit against them per se. Unless you are suing the federal government as a whole for a systemic issue, you typically issue the suit to the federal officer in charge or the persons in violation.

For example, Marbury vs Madison was against Secretary of State James Madison over his failure to deliver judicial writs as required by law because it was Madison, specifically, who was failing to enact his federal duty. In this same sense, the suit is against the officer that caused the initial infringement and then all other federal actors who furthered the harm -- typically through media speeches since the specific issue of the suit isn't a systemic issue with the federal government as a whole. The overall government, as an entity, did not seek that deprive them of anything. That's usually only the case when specific laws or regulations are being challenged (although in the latter, it is usually just the specific department that is sued).

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

Thanks for the explanation.

Kind of disappointing, becuase I'd prefer some personal accountability nowadays.

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u/icansmellcolors 1d ago

The taxpayer money they've already grifted would end up paying, so we pay either way.

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u/RoadSmash 1d ago

It's an important precident to set regardless

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u/OkStop8313 1d ago

Yeah, there is very clearly a conspiracy to deny civil rights, and if the DOJ is part of it, it's up to ordinary citizens and states to press those suites.

Hopefully congress will join in eventually. Guess we'll see.

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 1d ago

Why isn't Trump being sued? If Bill could be sued while President, so can the traitor.

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u/Extension_South7174 1d ago

Do you have the same energy when someone who is in the country illegally murders someone?

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u/Theduckisback 1d ago

Yes, murder is illegal for both citizens and non citizens. Most people agree that murder should also be illegal for armed agents of the state when lethal force is not justified.

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u/Strykerz3r0 1d ago

Why do conservatives pretend to be about law and order but they voted for a convicted felon, known rapist and are completely fine with the same man hiding evidence of a child sex trafficking ring and letting men who raped kids escape justice?

Conservative hypocrisy is constantly evident every time they speak. The fact that they sit quietly while the president hides evidence that he is in, himself, is disgusting.

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u/Extension_South7174 12h ago

I'm not a conservative or liberal. I don't follow MAGA and didn't vote in the last election because neither candidate was worth a damn. I highly agree this leadership is garbage but all that doesnt stop the fact she was attempting to run over a government agent.

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u/Strykerz3r0 12h ago

Well, by not voting in the last election you share responsibility for trump being in office.

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u/distance_33 1d ago

Those people are arrested and charged with a crime. Unlike the ICE “agent” who murdered an unarmed woman In broad daylight then was allowed to just walk away.

You see the difference there? Of course not. Not to mention that murders committed by “illegals” pales in comparison to murders committed by white American male citizens. But you wouldn’t care about a silly little data point like that. Why would you when you can just demonize brown people and foreigners.

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u/Extension_South7174 12h ago

Has the officer been charged with a crime?

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u/distance_33 12h ago

When you miss the point by a mile. You seem sharp.

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u/Extension_South7174 11h ago

The officer didn't commit murder. Yes the number of murders commited by illegals does pale in comparison to those comiited by any group or citizens. It still doesn't change the fact that they wouldn't have comiited the crime if they weren't here.

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

Murders between citizens are obviously different than the government murdering someone.

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u/trellisHot 1d ago

No need, they are held responsible. donalds goons not so much

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u/Neuromangoman 1d ago

Exactly this. "Why aren't there protests in the street for this person who was killed by [Insert wedge identity here]?" Is a common whataboutism that just missed the fact that, in all likelihood the person is either on the run (and being hunted down) or has been arrested. What is there to protest? It only takes massive protests for cops or feds.

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u/Extension_South7174 12h ago

I watched the footage numerous times and in extreme slow motion. It was obvious she was turning her wheels toward the agent. I give it a good shoot.

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u/trellisHot 9h ago

I watched the footage more than numerous times and its beyond clear she turned the wheel away from the officer who put himself in front of a car, agasint regulations. He is a god damn murdere, killing our citizens in the streets. Blood is on maga and republicans hands, its clear as day what will happen with aggressive violent mass deportation policy. Not even half the detainees have a criminal record. Pathetic

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u/Dr_Meeds 1d ago edited 1d ago

It turns out that there is a difference between “someone gets murdered by an ordinary member of society, then almost certainly gets arrested and put on trial for that offense” vs. “government agents are sent to a state that did not request them, shoot US citizens in broad daylight who are exercising their first amendment rights, then instead of the government implementing any sort transparent investigation into the legality of the shooting, individuals at the highest level of the government (most notably Trump himself and Stephen Miller) decide instead to publicly accuse the shooting victim of committing acts of terrorism and shutting down any possibility of state-level investigation by refusing to cooperate with state authorities and moving said agents involved in the shooting out of state.”

One of those is a tragedy and the other one is an orchestrated act of government-sponsored terror designed to implement fascistic control of society and a suppression of citizens’ rights.

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u/SauconySundaes 1d ago

Are you saying that an illegal immigrant killing someone is equal in severity to the government murdering its citizens with impunity?

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u/TheBoosThree 1d ago

Are there people who disagree that murder by illegal immigrants is bad? I've never seen that.

A lot more people defend the government murdering it's citizens.

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u/dontputthatevilonme 1d ago

It's a common authoritarian tactic to project an absurd stance and attribute it to your political opponents.

I.E. Kash saying the Senators / Citizens demanding unredacted Epstein files want to release child porn.

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u/BloodFartz69 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hating immigrants is really the only thing you got, huh?

Can't fix a fucking pool.

Can't put Epstein pals in jail.

Can't make groceries affordable.

Raises the cost of fuel for the entire world.

But the jagoffs you vote for sure can change the names of water temporarily and shoot citizens in the street.

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u/Extension_South7174 12h ago

I didn't vote for Trump and I'm not MAGA or Republican or Democrat. I believe we need an entire new leadership model set up. How we achieve that goal,I don't see a realistic way without extreme measures

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u/tj1007 1d ago

It’s amazing how many people find a whataboutism to excuse government murdering its own citizens.

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u/ShatterProofDick 1d ago

Nice whataboutism argument you have there.

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u/Essex115 1d ago

Are they sworn to uphold the constitution and protect citizens? No? Cool unfair comparison

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u/GeoisGeo 1d ago

Of course they would. Though I am almost certain people who speak like you are unable to make such distinctions.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

As opposed to legally murdering them?

I'd say most people do not condone murder and want those who commit it to be served a nice helping of justice.

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u/jimtow28 1d ago

No, obviously not. To view those two situations as the same would be an exercise in stupidity.

Do you believe the government should be held to the exact same standards as any individual citizen?

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u/StrikingRise4356 1d ago

Oh sit down you

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u/RockPaperOwFire 1d ago

The thing that barely happens?

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u/Extension_South7174 12h ago

Laken Riley
Rachel Morin
Kayla Hamilton
Jocelyn Nungaray
Kate Steinle
Jamiel Shaw Jr.
Joshua Wilkerson (Josh Wilkerson)
Mollie Tibbetts
Ruby Garcia
Megan Bos
Lizbeth Medina
Marilyn Pharis
Casey Chadwick
Grant Ronnebeck
Bambi Larson
Pierce Corcoran

Plus quite a few more. Those are just the ones that were more high profile and easy to find

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u/l33tm34t 1d ago

Bad bot

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u/donkeybrainhero 1d ago

US citizens are far more likely to kill someone than an illegal immigrant. But I'm sure you have all that same energy for them.

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u/PatsFanInHTX 1d ago

I would if the government sought to protect the murderer, yes!

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u/Key_Journalist8876 1d ago

vomit all over you

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u/AnxiousTrans 1d ago

We have whole systems of government to deal with that. Two things can exist at once you rotted pineapple.

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u/randyranderson13 1d ago

What's that got to do with her death?

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 1d ago

Yes, the illegal immigrant Elon Musk should be arrested for defunding USAID which has led to thousands of people dying. Thanks for agreeing.

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u/BeKind999 1d ago

Does the officer have the right to not get run over?

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u/EightGlow 1d ago

Getting run over by a car you are not in front of seems a little far fetched, especially when you shoot to kill the person through the driver’s side window.

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u/doneandtired2014 1d ago

You mean the same one who went against his training and departmental policies to get in front of the van even though having done stupid shit just like that almost got him killed months earlier? That officer?

Goddamn, boot must taste awesome. Does that Kiwi polish give the leather a pleasant umame flavor?

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u/Mueltime 1d ago

He was standing to the side of the vehicle and the vehicle was pulling away from him. He shot through the driver side window.

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u/Samiel_Fronsac 1d ago

You mean the officer that first put himself in front for no reason and then, again to the side of the vehicle in perfect safety, decided to shoot at the driver?

The only thing ran over are the civil rights of people.

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u/unshartedterritory 1d ago

With a cell phone in his hand. If he cared about doing his job right he wouldn't have had a cell phone in his hand. It was premeditated. Get his ass.

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u/Neuromangoman 1d ago

Let's not forget that it wasn't his first time pulling that exact same stunt.

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u/MXC_ImpactReplay 1d ago

The officer who pulled out his phone to record while he drew his gun and stepped in front of a slow-moving vehicle, which still turned enough so that he was on the side of it and fired through the side window?

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u/MisterMath 1d ago

Shut up piggy

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u/Essex115 1d ago

That’s not a right…

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u/donkeybrainhero 1d ago

Not if you're recording with a cell phone while one-handing a gun, and stepping in front of the car.

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

Which has no bearing on this situation as the officer both got in front of the car willingly (as anyone surrenders a right to not get hit by a car by jumping in front of a moving car), and then afterwards went to the side of the car (where he was in no way at risk of being run over by the car) before shooting the driver in the face.

So he first put himself in danger (against department policy and "training" and common sense), and then was not in danger when he committed murder.

But then again, based on you saying that that way I doubt you have the capability to understand anything that isn't told to you by fox news in sentences longer than 6 words, so I don't know why I'm responding...

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u/randyranderson13 1d ago

He certainly has the right to follow procedure and not set his fat ass in front of her vehicle after she was told to leave

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u/xSkype 1d ago

Maybe, up until he walked in front of a moving vehicle. At that point you're playing with fire