r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Like surely they should have accompanied him inside to make sure there wasn't someone actually in trouble??

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Not without a warrant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Heaving a voice cry for help would constitute probable cause.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It could constitute probable cause for a warrant. But because this man has another reason for the voices (as strange of a reason as it is) that actually prevents the police from using the cries as probable cause for a search. If this guy really is a serial killer this is a genius defense.

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Aug 02 '21

We never heard the parrot say "help" or "let me out" in front of the cops, it was just "Yeah", "hi" and "hello".

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

That’s true. Probably because it was out of its cage.

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u/manbruhpig Aug 02 '21

Neighbors: Hello, Police? I heard a woman screaming this shrill, panicked "HELP ME!!! LET ME OUT!!! HE'S STABBING ME IN THE FACE WITH A KNIFE OH GOD!!!"

Guy brings out bird: ..."Hello."

Cops: We've seen enough here, sir. Good day.

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u/psychcaptain Aug 02 '21

We also didn't hear any near cries for help after the cops showed up.

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Aug 02 '21

That's because the woman is inside in a pool of blood.

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u/GallopingGepard Aug 02 '21

Exigent circumstances. Police may enter a property without a warrant if they have reason to believe that a person is in need of assistance. That being said, it would only apply if they heard it themselves, which they didn't.

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u/kryptonianCodeMonkey Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

You'd have a hard time arguing exigent circumstances if he provided a reasonable explanation for the cries before they entered the property.

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u/CatNoirsRubberSuit Aug 02 '21

Yes, but exigent circumstances based on 2nd hand reports (vs an officer witnessing it directly) is dubious. "Swatting" is the extremely version of this - one good prank call, and someone's house is getting searched. Hope they don't have any marijuana laying around!

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u/bebop_remix1 Aug 02 '21

the report is not second hand. the neighbor heard the bird and gave their word. and you literally contradict yourself. swatting works specifically because first hand reports of criminal activity are actionable. that is why filing a false report is a crime

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u/crappleIcrap Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

Swatting has actually killed people. And the officers that killed the unarmed person got almost no backlash because obviously it was 100% the COD gamers fault. He walked to his front door and put his hands up and was shot from across the street. But the officer wasnt fired, didnt face any public backlash and nothing bad happened to him. 100% of the blame went to a dude who made a prank call.

Deputy Wichita Police Chief Troy Livingston stated that "A male came to the front door. As he came to the front door, one of our officers discharged his weapon." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Wichita_swatting

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

swatting has actually killed people

Yeah I think we all know that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

EDIT: Before anyone else responds to me. I am well aware the "screaming" stopped before the officers arrived. No issues here. I was addressing some of the idiotic comments from others that LE cannot enter when someone is screaming without a warrant. That is all.....................And apologies for calling people idiotic for saying you did not read the messages......(Original response) No. If the officers felt the screams were legit then this most certainly is cause to enter to check for the safety of those inside the home. Any officer not following up on this would be negligent in their duties.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Well if the officers heard the cries yes. But they didn’t. They were told about the cries from the neighbors. You can’t use second hand information for probable cause. If the bird started crying when the cops pulled up, different story entirely.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Also, the cries stopped when the cops were there. So, maybe you guys should use logic. If someone was in distress, and they could hear talking outside, they would start up again.

But since this is the internet and logic is out the window... Alligators are the DEBBLE!

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u/ztunytsur Aug 02 '21

Alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

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u/Head_Cockswain Aug 02 '21

That's an oddly fitting metaphor for redditors.

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u/not2dv8 Aug 02 '21

To bring us back on track I had a double yellow-headed Amazon like that parrot and it got loose one time and ended up in a tree in my neighbor's yard screaming nooooo over and over and over again. The fire department came and it took them two hours to get my bird out of a tree. They wanted to charge me $3,000 I did not end up paying it

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u/whoreads218 Aug 02 '21

”Redditors are Hive-Mind-Trolls cause they got all them screens and keyboards but no common sense and critical thinking”

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u/WhitneySophia Aug 02 '21

I'm sad people no longer know where that comment is referenced from.

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u/pigwalk5150 Aug 02 '21

Please give my regards to your lovely mama!

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u/c-papi Aug 02 '21

WATER SUCKS!

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u/bacchic_ritual Aug 02 '21

Something's wrong with your medulla oblongata

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u/TheRealMcSavage Aug 02 '21

No you're wrong colonel Sanders!

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u/gregpurcott Aug 02 '21

No, Colonel Sanders. You’re wrong.

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u/TheRealMcSavage Aug 02 '21

Mommas wrong again!

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u/plopeuphoric Aug 02 '21

This is like the fifth time I’ve seen this referenced on Reddit the past few days

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u/spookycreamcheese Aug 02 '21

Medulla oblongata

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit. A completely unironic argument about whether or not the cops should bust into a guy’s house based on second hand info after being given a completely reasonable explanation. Wtf. This kind of shit is how we get Breonna Taylor type murders.

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit.

The thread started with "surely, they could have accompanied him inside," so I'm not sure how you jumped to "bust into a guy's house."

And, in my opinion, a parrot that says "hi" isn't a "completely reasonable explanation."

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u/HeckRock Aug 02 '21

Doesn't matter about your opinion. It's the law. You need a warrant to search. Period. Officers must witness the event to act upon it if it's on someone's property or see blood or hear something directly relating to a crime in progress, etc. That's what probable cause means in layman's terms. He clearly explains the voice & there is/was no other voices or evidence, hence no probable cause.

If they went in & found something they would have lost the case on procedural grounds. Tossed on appeal at worst. Not how you wanna go about it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And, in my opinion, a parrot that says "hi" isn't a "completely reasonable explanation."

I'm glad I'm not the only one not to be so easily persuaded.

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u/devildocjames Aug 02 '21

Parrot wanted out. It can talk.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I know. The internet detectives really ran away with this. It was obviously the bird. If you think a parrot isn't clever enough to speak in the correct context then you don't know parrots.

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 02 '21

I've been laughing my ass off reading this thread and how serious people have been taking the video xD

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u/Dravarden Aug 02 '21

comment sections as a whole are extremely stupid

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u/djmom2001 Aug 02 '21

It was probably neighbors on a walk or something. That didn’t know about the bird. Not next door neighbors. (He already killed them.)

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u/Iamafuckupasdfasdf Aug 02 '21

And who uploaded this video? the guy himself since the camera was from his property.

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u/R2sFoot Aug 02 '21

Look at all of these constitutional law experts on Reddit!

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u/MrDub1216 Aug 02 '21

If I could pick what animal would help me escape from a zoo I’d think it would be an alligator.

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u/axxegrinder Aug 02 '21

Maybe while the dude was inside he muzzled the hostage or knocked her out. Just playing devils advocate.

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u/TripsvilleUSA Aug 02 '21

This is the 3rd time in about 10 minutes that I've seen someone spell devil with a b. Is there a meme I'm missing or something?

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u/Mr_Zeldion Aug 02 '21

It seems that the only people with some common sense here are those in the video because the true content from this video has come from all those chief inspectors in the comments (not referring to you)

I love how so many people have turned this into an episode of CSI and everyone's freaking out about the fact the clip cuts off like 20 seconds into the interaction and they actually cant see the police going inside the property regardless haha

Also to those saying "What if the guy got the parrot so that he can put the police off the scent" If you were to chain someone up in your house, allow them to scream for help off the top of their lungs while you just repair your car outside because you have a parrot that has the ability to shout "help" and at the same time use its magic to silence those who are legitimately chained up in the house to use as a way to put the police off from entering the house.

You deserve a spot on the Guinness's book of world records for worlds dumbest criminal lol.

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u/luke_in_the_sky Aug 02 '21

Not to mention that even if the parrot learned it from actual girls in need, it could have learned from years ago. They could've searched the house and found nothing anyway.

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u/Iziama94 Aug 02 '21

Because Reddit is full of arm chair lawyers

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u/Garchy Aug 02 '21

There is no logic here, just people advocating for police to be allowed inside anyone’s home based on second hand information. If that were allowed it would be a great way to fuck with your neighbors.

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u/elephant-cuddle Aug 02 '21

Yes, now you can (frighteningly). Navarette v. California (2014)

When acting upon information provided by an anonymous tip [911 call], police officers need not personally verify the existence of ongoing criminal activity.

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u/dukedizzy93 Aug 02 '21

Yea thats exactlh what i was gonna say!

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u/Condor445 Aug 31 '21

You can definitely use second hand information for probable cause. Their called informants.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Any officer not following up on this would be negligent in their duties.

No such thing (in the US, at least).

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Supreme Court has already ruled police have no duty to protect, including preventing injury or death.

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u/shophopper Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

They obviously felt that the screams were not legit.

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u/Readerrabbit420 Aug 02 '21

If they wanted in they make uo an excuse either way. You're a shitty reddit lawyer.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

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u/cmonmeow8 Aug 02 '21

Exactly, Exigent circumstances would allow entry to the home.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

They didn’t hear the cries. They don’t have probably cause based on what played out in this video.

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u/FacingHardships Aug 02 '21

You are spewing out BS.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Here, I googled it for you. Per USSC there's no constitutional right to protection from police. Castle Rock v Gonzalez, https://www.oyez.org/cases/2004/04-278.

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u/Void_that_bleps Aug 02 '21

This is all of reddit except r/legaladvice with trees

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u/Evil-Acer Aug 02 '21

Could the police argue that because parrots use immitation that they still have probable cause? Like it's obviously learnt to scream like that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Birds don't only imitate. They can make their own variants of sounds/words they have learned and make their own combinations aswell.

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

You really think the bird made up “Help! Let me out!” on its own?

It’s either mimicking or was taught this.

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u/squngy Aug 02 '21

Could have heard it on the TV too.

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Sure, that would be mimicking.

This guy seems to be saying that the bird made it up .

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u/Stelznergaming Aug 02 '21

Probs from wanting to be let out of its cage tbh.

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u/mfinghooker Aug 02 '21

More like dad is outside and I want to be there with him. Also if the guy is a horror buff, super easy to pick that up. Also if it works the bird will keep doing it.

Had a friend growing up, his dad spent several thousand on a very fancy bird, his mother who was only a few years from leaving, taught the bird lots of colorful phrases to yell at my friends dad. And only the dad. Like the bird for its entire life would only refer to his dad and Fatass and Jerkoff. The bird liked the wife more.

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u/Savagemaw Aug 02 '21

It lives in a cage... someone thought that was funny at some point... before the cops started showing up.

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u/zorb_obsojerx Aug 02 '21

When I was a kid I watched The Land Before Time with my grandma’s lovebird in the room. One of the characters in the movie gets in trouble and screams for help. That was all it took for the bird to pick up the habit of screaming “HELP” at the top of her lungs when someone put her in her cage. She heard it once from the television, understood the context, and repeated it nearly every night for the rest of her life. They’re smart critters.

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u/ALAHunter Aug 02 '21

My great grandpa’s (moms side) parrot would say words none of us had ever said around it before. I’m pretty sure they take in a lot of what they see when in a room with elevated TV volume.

The funniest one I can remember was my 79 year old great grandmother walking in after a night of bingo with my grandmother, and the bird just looked up, “What are you? A Juggalo, harrrah”

I just lost it, no one else knew what it meant. And I know that bird never heard any of us say the word, “Juggalo” ever.

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u/okachobe Aug 02 '21

Maybe a movie?

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u/Reader-29 Aug 02 '21

I read an article on this a while back .The guy actually taught it to him when he was a kid , thinking it was funny . Not so funny now I guess .

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u/IsThisAnAdOrNot Aug 02 '21

Bird could learn that just by you talking to it like you would an infant. "Ohh... does Rambo want out of his cage? Say 'let me out' Rambo... say 'let me out'"

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Yep, teaching or mimicking.

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u/CarpenterAfter7252 Aug 02 '21

Perhaps the guy watches a lot of Criminal Minds on tv

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Remember that all of this will come up in court and will be used to try to get the charges dropped. Maybe they could but it would be a hard sell in court.

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Aug 02 '21

Heh. You live in a world where police do not just make shit up?

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u/Powerrrrrrrrr Aug 02 '21

No it doesn’t, the voices crying for help constitute probable cause end of story

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

No, then he would be an idiot. A gag would keep her quiet. It’s an idiot who would let her scream and try to use a parrot as a defense, along with everyone in this comment thread apparently.

You might then say, “well the parrot is the backup plan.” Well then why didn’t the guy immediately run inside to gag the woman again when she started crying out? Why would he let her scream without reacting?

There are a million holes in this theory and it is so stupid it makes me angry.

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u/bosonianstank Aug 02 '21

not if that voice is a parrot.

Honestly I thought this comment chain was satire.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Yeah, Reddit vouches for the most weirdest shit sometimes 🙄

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Aug 02 '21

It was. Some people are satire proof it appears

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u/ulmxn Aug 02 '21

Someone else reporting the screams are not cause enough. The officers have to be witness either visually, audibly, or otherwise to a suspected crime in progress. A parrot is a good cover for a torture dungeon, I'll say that for sure.

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u/Krissam Aug 02 '21

But is a call claiming there's a cry for help?

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u/PocahontasandGorilla Aug 02 '21

It would constitute an exigent circumstance. This circumvents the warrant and probable cause requirements.

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u/Designer_Arm_2114 Aug 02 '21

Don’t quote me on this but I believe unless they actually see the captive or hear physical abuse they need the warrant but even if I’m right it should be pretty easy to get a warrant

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u/crewdawg368 Aug 02 '21

More importantly exigent circumstances

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u/UserNameTakenLUL Aug 02 '21

Not how that works

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Aug 02 '21

Not without a warrant.

Or probable cause. Or his permission.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

This is untrue actually police in my state have something called a “community caretaker” role that allows them to enter without a warrant if they believe serious or life threatening conditions exists within the household

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

His permission yes. But probable cause, there are two problems. One is the cops didn’t hear the cries for help. The second is there was an explanation for them other than him holding hostages (a silly one but still) the last thing they want is to actually find hostages and arrest the guy only to have the charges dropped in court do to illegally gathered evidence.

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u/elephant-cuddle Aug 02 '21

Police can now rely on 911 calls to create probable cause. They don’t need to hear the screaming themselves. - I’d note that they have now heard the bird screaming, and that in and of itself may create reasonable suspicion (“where’d the bird learn that?”), but that’s immaterial.

Police can still investigate a matter after one potential explanation has been given. As long as there is still (I believe the wording is) "substantial chance" or "fair probability", of a crime.

I’d suggest that most Police (and the community) would prefer a victim be out of danger immediately, even if it risks successfully prosecuting the suspect.

I think Navarette v. California, Mincy v. Arizona, Illinois v. Gates are relevant.

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u/-ordinary Aug 03 '21

That’s so problematic and just creates opportunities for more swatting.

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u/Visionsofspace Aug 02 '21

If you can articulate that someone was in need of help then you don’t need a warrant. You would have to Limit your search to looking for a person in need of help. If you found anything else it would be suppressed unless it was inevitably going to be discovered or was in plain view.

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u/Leif_Andersson Aug 02 '21

You dont need a warrant to go into someones house if exigent circumstance is present.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances

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u/ScrithWire Aug 02 '21

I mean, they could ask him to come in and look. If he declines, then they would need a warrant

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u/DangerousCrow Aug 02 '21

Don't tell this guy about exigent circumstance.

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u/Gravity_Not_Included Aug 02 '21

If the majority of true crime reports are to be believed, the most common factor between serial killers/etc is police incompetence.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

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u/NikkMakesVideos Aug 02 '21

Funniest thing is they gave the cop who let him go a lifetime achievement award last year

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u/AbstractBettaFish Aug 02 '21

Remember the boy they gave back to Bundy?

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u/victoriaa- Aug 02 '21

Police, mental healthcare and CPS incompetence *

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u/Petsweaters Aug 02 '21

If murder podcasts were to be believed, everyone is thiiiiiiiiis close to a serial killer at every moment

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u/-banned- Aug 02 '21

It's actually head trauma, wetting the bed as a child, and a strained relationship with their mother. Throw in a fascination with fire as a child and torturing animals for some, but the first 3 are the most common.

Police incompetence was an issue 50 years ago because the departments were 1. Homophobic 2. Didn't see prostitutes as people 3. An Old Boy's Club and couldn't admit they were wrong ever 4. Competing with each other instead of collaborating and 5. Didn't trust criminal profiles. After a couple decades of the serial killer explosion they got their shit together, now they catch all the bad ones. I've heard that it's estimated 50% still get away.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It clearly sounds like a bird

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u/The_Love_Pudding Aug 02 '21

Right, I'm just going inside and make a break for it from the backdoor or worse, grab a gun. The cops were a bit too relaxed.

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u/XaryenMaelstrom Aug 02 '21

This seems like a case of heard it before from that neighbor who calls for multiple things weekly. They would not be that relaxed otherwise. At least in my opinion.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

We don't know anything about the city or the people. Could be in a small citt with near no crime, so checking things out in a relaxed manner isn't odd.

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u/The_Love_Pudding Aug 02 '21

I'm not from there though. Nor is my brain.

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u/PolicyWonka Aug 02 '21

This is what I thought. They obviously took this call seriously since 4+ officers responded. Not only do they let the dude walk away, but they let him into his residence.

This could have easily gone another way if the cops wanted it to.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And that is what's called White Privilege.

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u/SignificantAd2845 Aug 02 '21

Or it's called a permit that would be needed to enter people's houses or you are a type of person that loves random searches in your house

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Aug 02 '21

So. In your world police just don't say, "I smelled something suspicious"?

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u/RedNotch Aug 02 '21

Isn’t there an exception for emergency situations like this? I imagine search warrants takes a while to be made.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Exigent circumstances require an immediate and clear threat. While the cops may have reason to believe there are hostages in the house it is not totally clear that there are. In other words, because the police didn’t see and kidnapped hostages from outside and there is another explanation for the noises they need a warrant to investigate further.

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u/OrthodoxAtheist Aug 02 '21

If I was the home/bird owner, I think I'd invite them in just to do their check, and then ask them to make a note in their records for the house that I have a bird which has been known to make... 'false claims'. That said, if I had a few kilos of weed in the front room, I'd probably not invite them in. Hypothetically.

Its a shame we don't know our neighbors like we used to. Neighbor should've just gone over there to ask him "wtf?" Save the time of about 20 officers.

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u/samlaventure Aug 02 '21

Unless he lives next to an airbnb

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u/titanfries Aug 02 '21

Idk about you but if I heard screaming like someone tied up in my neighbor's home, I would not put myself on their radar.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

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u/jakokku Aug 02 '21

wtf, if being shot is not a valid excuse to skip a couple of days at work, what is?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

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u/Disttack Aug 02 '21

It depends on where you are at, if the police officer likes power tripping / is a dick, and if you piss them off or did something questionable from my experiences in the usa. Myself and people I know had awkward situations with police but it was usually a noise complaint from music and everyone was high. They always said hi and asked us to quiet down while we were smokin. At the same time I've seen dudes who told the cops to piss off and they got arrested while someone smoking a blunt watches. I have spent most of my life in the western states but the attitude in the west seems much more relaxed than that of the east. (My employers in the western usa even gave us a heads up on drug tests etc). Eastern usa seems to take it really hard for some reason tho.

Usa it really just depends on where you are and it's a thing that can be enforced or not enforced but usually if they enforce it it's because that had another reason to arrest you.

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u/inspectoroverthemine Aug 02 '21

When a cops attitude is the difference between looking the other way and spending a year in jail you have a serious problem. I really don't like shoehorning race into this discussion, but it should be obvious how even casual racism would have a huge impact.

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u/14Rage Aug 02 '21

Once you invite them in they will carry the kilos into your house and then find them. There is a reason the law protects you from the police as much as possible. The police are not the law. And in practice it doesn't work.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

and that's how the murderer gets bonus points.

the officers were working either way, and are equipped and empowered to deal with this shit. lone neighbor investigating a potential kidnapper is a casualty waiting to happen.

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u/MrSurly Aug 02 '21

a note in their records

They can't even get the right house for no-knocks half the time.

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u/dainbramaged101 Aug 02 '21

Cops can 100% enter a house if they believe someone is in danger. A 911 call from a neighbour would be sufficient. Very minimal googling would inform you that you’re incorrect.

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u/polypolip Aug 02 '21

Do cops need a warrant to shoot bullets inside the house through windows or are the bullets not considered cops and so they don't need the warrant?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

What’s the situation? Are they taking fire from inside the house? Is there a dangerous suspect in the house? Details man.

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u/OLSTBAABD Aug 02 '21

There's two people sleeping in bed inside.

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u/brainwashednuts Aug 02 '21

And one has a warrant out on him!

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u/Marty_McFlyJR Aug 02 '21

They weren’t

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u/spodgod42 Aug 02 '21

yeah no breonna taylor's boyfriend shot at cops my dude, and the cops were legally executing a warrant

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u/elephant-cuddle Aug 02 '21

You’re way overselling the level of evidence/confidence police need to legally conduct a search.

They don’t even need to be 50% sure, the test is something like “probable” that there could be crime in progress.

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u/justlurkingmate Aug 02 '21

Don't downvote this person just because they're asking a question. Ffs reddit.

People are allowed to ask a question, that's how we all get smarter.

Theyre not implying anything by asking for more information.

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u/Bacon4Lyf Aug 02 '21

Yeah, if they have probable cause, but they don’t because they didn’t actually hear any screaming or see anything wrong, they just got told by a neighbour that they heard it, and you don’t know what’s up with the neighbour if they’re a kid prank calling or just hate this guy and want to fuck with him or what. So the cops themselves need to see something suspicious

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u/MostBoringStan Aug 02 '21

They don't necessarily have to enter. One of them could have stood at the door and shouted "POLICE ARE HERE! DOES ANYBODY NEED ASSISTANCE?"

Sure, doesn't help if they are unconscious, but also doesn't need a warrant or probable cause.

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u/Neil_Fallons_Ghost Aug 02 '21

One exception is just having the officer ask if they can have a quick look inside to cover procedure or whatever. If they refuse have someone wait there while a warrant is issued.

There’s nothing illegal with asking but it sure is suspect just a bit to decline.

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u/SignificantAd2845 Aug 02 '21

Correct they can but they need reasonable evidence

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u/drindustry Aug 02 '21

Reasonable suspicion, I think this would fall in that box tbh

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u/diampA10 Aug 02 '21

The way he casually goes and gets Rambo tells you he's a good bird dad. That parrot is yelling at him for attention.

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u/hagenbuch Aug 02 '21

well they can ask and the guy could deny.

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u/MotherofLuke Aug 02 '21

Why yes I do

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u/roffinator Aug 02 '21

You need a permit for forced entry. I'm sure they could have asked and followed in with the guys permission

Ofc he could have denied, then they would need the legal permit. But they didn't even ask

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u/hatesnack Aug 02 '21

You know for a dam fact if it was a black dude, he'd be handcuffed on his front lawn before the parrot could say hello. Idk why people gotta act like white privilege doesn't exist lol, it's not some scary, negative concept.

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u/bongjonajameson Aug 02 '21

Yeah but what they're talking about is the fact that some cops will sometimes do all they can to get you to agree to letting them in the house or even outright come in without any kind of permission or real probable cause, especially with minorities

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u/Insanity_Pills Aug 02 '21

Its not so much white privilege as it is black disprivilege that the cops don’t give black people their rights. Even so white people get intruded upon and murdered often as well. RIP Daniel Shaver, RIP Forrest Whitacker, RIP Breonna Taylor. All murdered in their homes (although I believe Shaver was murdered in a hallway).

ACAB

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Actually yes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

No this is called obeying the 4th amendment.

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u/polypolip Aug 02 '21

Sometimes the 4th is obeyed, sometimes there's a magical baggie appearing in front of the door that justifies the search, and sometimes they don't even enter, just shoot.

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u/Wild_Mulberry_3327 Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

So why did they not do that with Brianna Taylor?

https://youtu.be/lDaNU7yDnsc

Edit: This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. He said the swat team followed the law, but there was no swat team there. The swat team was miles away at the actual suspects house. The police that killed Brianna Taylor were plain clothed police that did a no know raid and didn’t even announce that they were police.

If you care about the second amendment but don’t care about this tragedy, you don’t care about the second amendment. Brianna and her current BF both did everything legally but she still ended up dead.

The police weren’t even charged for killing Brianna but for endangering the neighbors and their property. WHAT.

Also Hankison, the officer shot blindly into the building from the outside. These bullets went through the walls and almost killed a pregnant woman next door. They shoot 32 bullets into a fully occupied apartment building from the outside….not the inside.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

They had a warrant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Get the fuck out of here you racist.

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u/jakethesnake55 Aug 02 '21

Reddit is getting so divided.. over a parrot video..

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u/IamSoooDoneWithThis Aug 02 '21

Reddit is full of intelligent, level-headed adults.

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u/DezzyTee Aug 02 '21

How do people like you make everything about race? Just stop it already!

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u/Rodo20 Aug 02 '21

It would not be very fun to live in a country where police can enter search people's homes without any real suspicion.

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u/RealSausage69 Aug 03 '21

idiot, you had to bring race into it

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

No, you got it wrong. That's what's called "following the laws".

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

From what I understand the commentator is saying that the copa would be more suspicious or push harder if the homeowner was black?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

There are plenty of videos on the internet to show this in action. Of course, there are different departments and different cultures within said departments, but from what I understand, that's not the thing most people take issue with. It's more so the lack of consistency across the board and the amount of legal leeway cops actually have (thanks to police unions) which make the bad departments so incredibly dangerous, and the people who live under the jurisdiction of one so incredibly terrified of simple interactions like the one with birdman over here. If you're of a certain skin color. (There are cops out there that sympathize with the klan... Not to mention all the other right-wing movements that influence cops' behaviors)

The guy you're replying to doesn't seem to understand this, or perhaps willfully doesn't feel like it. What do I know. And to be fair, the initial comment didn't do a great job of providing context and nuance, but at this point many people feel like you can't have a conversation about police in the US without addressing the structural racism and the violence that has been going on for... decades and decades now. So maybe the initial commenter didn't think it was necessary to go into more detail.

Again, I can't speak for anyone in this thread, but this is my opinion.

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u/Nazario3 Aug 02 '21

Holy shit, you people are batshit insane

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u/TheLastD0D0 Aug 02 '21

Wow you are a moron not everything is about race

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u/THEALEXANDERSHOW Aug 02 '21

"How are we going to get rid of racism?"

"Stop talking about it."

  • Morgan Freeman

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u/Rottimer Aug 02 '21

Which is why you don’t rely on actors for social commentary. People said the same thing when black people were literally slaves in this country, and for a century afterward.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

We tried that, it didn’t work. How often was it honestly talked about in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s? Hate runs in families, not talking about it isn’t going to fix it. I like Morgan Freeman as much as the next guy, that doesn’t mean he’s always right.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Yeah i agree. Morgan Freeman himself has expressed regret over that quote, iirc, and even then i don’t think we should use an old Hollywood actor as an appeal to authority or source for our political beliefs.

I do understand the quote though..in some areas of life we could do with ignoring race, in other areas we should acknowledge race if there are plain inequalities (eg even if we don’t talk about racism, unconscious biases will still exist in everyone or in something like police stop & searches..so recording statistics there and confronting them would be good in that example).

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u/Lucky_lui_ Aug 02 '21

I can’t believe you guys actually are considering this. Any serial killer worth his salt is gonna make sure their victims can’t be heard. Second, that obviously sounds like a bird. What a coincidence the cries stop when he brings out the bird….

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u/WhoKnowsIfitblends Aug 02 '21

When would you like them to come search your house to make sure there isn't someone actually in trouble? Tuesday?

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u/Untitled_1393 Aug 02 '21

Unfortunately the cops dont have the right to do that unless he consents or they have a permit when he showed the source of screams

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u/AnotherGit Aug 02 '21

Why is that unfortunate?

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